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Title: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Jenne on September 16, 2009, 07:57:52 pm
aka "THIS SUCKS ASS"  :argh!:

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/the_obama_administration_wants_congress.php

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Sep 15 2009, 2:10 pm by Marc Ambinder

Obama Embraces Patriot Act; As Senator, He Was Skeptical
The Obama administration wants Congress to reauthorize three controversial provisions of the 2001 USA Patriot Act scheduled to expire later this year, but said in a letter to two senators that it is open to adding (unspecified) civil liberties safeguards.  The Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on the sunsetting provisions next week and wants to consider broader reforms. Five months ago, it asked the administration for its views; just yesterday, the administration responded.  Some of the changes to the law Barack Obama sought as a senator -- including modifications to the administrative subpoena power known as National Security Letters -- are not part of the corpus of his views today.



In a letter to Sens. Russ Feingold and Dick Durbin (Durbin-Feingold 091409.pdf), assistant attorney general Ronald Welch, the chief DOJ liaison to Congress, said that the administration supports the so-called "roving wiretap" provision, which allows the government to continue surveilling terrorism suspect under a single wiretap warrant even if the suspect changes the medium of communication.  According to Weich, the administration will not authorize such a warrant unless it has "specific" evidence that the suspect is actively working to avoid detection by authorities. About 22 such wiretaps are authorized every year. "We believe the basic justification offered to Congress in 2001 remains valid today," Weich writes.


The administration also wants Congress to reauthorize the provision extending the ability of the FBI to request detailed business records under a FISA warrant. According to the government, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court has issued about 220 orders to produce such records in 2004, and the Justice Department asserts that they have provided investigators with critical information -- although they say the specifics are classified. Weich writes: "It is noteworthy that no recipient of a FISA business records order has ever challenged the validity of the order, despite the availability, since 2006, of a clear statutory mechanism to do so."


Finally, the administration wants Congress to keep the so-called "lone wolf" provision in place, which allows them to conduct surveillance of a terrorism suspect even if they don't know what country that person is acting on behalf of -- if any.  According to Weich , "the Government must know a great deal about the target, including the target's purpose and plans for terrorist activity (in order to satisfy the defmition of "international terrorism"), but still be unable to connect the individual to any group that meets the FISA definition of a foreign power."


Weich notes that Feingold and Durbin "may propose modifications to provide additional protection for the privacy of law abiding Americans."  He quotes President Obama's speech to the National Archives to demonstrate, he says, the "willingness" to consider such ideas, provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important authorities."

As a senator, Obama co-signed a letter (sdaasd.pdf) supporting broad reforms of the Patriot Act, including a requirement that, in order to obtain business records, "the government should be required to convince a judge that the records they are seeking have some connection to a suspected terrorist or spy, as the three-part standard in the Senate bill would mandate."   The letter also supports the sunsetting of the controversial National Security Letters provision, which allows the FBI to request "sensitive personal information simply by certifying that the information is sought for a terrorism or espionage investigation."  The letter Obama co-signed includes this statement: "This would allow government fishing expeditions targeting innocent Americans. As business groups have argued, the government should be required to certify that the person whose records are sought has some connection to a suspected terrorist or spy."


When Congress reauthorized the bill in 2006, it included several modifications that were requested by these senators, including a some limits on the NSL authority, an exemption for libraries, and a less restrictive gag order on those entities receiving letters demanding information. Obama was one of 89 senators to support the bill.

Senators, including the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Carl Levin, point to news that the FBI repeatedly misused the National Security Letter power as evidence that the Act needs broader reform. And there remain questions about whether the Justice Department continues to support Bush-era signing statements that seemed to go around Congress's intent in narrowing the categories of people who could be targeted by the new law.  Another big concern: the Investigative Data Warehouse maintained by the FBI, which collects and stores records on thousands of Americans; what the data includes is unclear; how many Americans are part of the database is unclear; the safeguards in place to prevent abuse is also unclear. 
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Cain on September 16, 2009, 08:55:42 pm
Its worth noting Ambinder always spins increases in state power with unspecified caveats about rules to prevent their misuse.  Meaning you shouldn't put any stock in the few comforting words in this otherwise quite disheartening piece.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 09:39:28 pm
I hate to say it, but Cain and I warned you.

Just kidding.  I don't hate to say it.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 16, 2009, 09:57:05 pm
the cynical are right again.... yay for us ...or :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 09:58:49 pm
the cynical are right again.... yay for us ...or :horrormirth:

We usually are.

TGRR,
Knows optimism is a disease.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 16, 2009, 10:03:07 pm
after all the obama talk around the election i was getting worried i was doing myself physical harm from the constant rolling my eyes..
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 10:10:30 pm
after all the obama talk around the election i was getting worried i was doing myself physical harm from the constant rolling my eyes..

Well, there's bad, and there's worse.

As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 16, 2009, 10:13:11 pm
i would tell you i think Palin was to stupid to ever have a chance but ..... cynical.....
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 10:17:53 pm
i would tell you i think Palin was to stupid to ever have a chance but ..... cynical.....

Of course she would.  Hell, the moonbats have finally stopped crowing about her "kicking Obama's ass in 2012".

And they aren't happy about being woken up.  Oh, no.  You can still get a good rise out of them, if you say the right things.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Requia ☣ on September 16, 2009, 10:20:40 pm
I am shocked, shocked I tell you.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 10:21:19 pm
There's gambling going on here?

[/Claude Rains]
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 16, 2009, 10:29:21 pm
i do take a perverse pleasure watching all that youthful optimism and "belief in change" being squashed like a bug under the feet of politics as usual.

sadly all the new cynics it creates are still out numbered by the true believersTM and the next crop of young optimists
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 10:30:51 pm
i do take a perverse pleasure watching all that youthful optimism and "belief in change" being squashed like a bug under the feet of politics as usual.

sadly all the new cynics it creates are still out numbered by the true believersTM and the next crop of young optimists

Which just means the fun will keep rolling on.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 17, 2009, 12:07:14 am
I hate to say it, but maybe we actually would have been better with McCain / Palin. They would be too dumb to be devious.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 12:30:24 am
I hate to say it, but maybe we actually would have been better with McCain / Palin. They would be too dumb to be devious.

:lulz: :lulz:  

nope not getting it
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Iason Ouabache on September 17, 2009, 12:42:35 am
I hate to say it, but maybe we actually would have been better with McCain / Palin. They would be too dumb to be devious.
Never underestimate the power of stupid. Hanlon's Razor cuts both ways.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Iason Ouabache on September 17, 2009, 12:54:49 am
Or rather, "Sufficiently advanced cluelessness is indistinguishable from malice." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark%27s_Law)
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 01:08:16 am
whether they seem smart or stupid, evil or good, and no matter what they say,
what those in power want is what you get...
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 17, 2009, 04:17:12 am
Or rather, "Sufficiently advanced cluelessness is indistinguishable from malice." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark%27s_Law)

:mittens:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 05:27:03 am
There's gambling going on here?

[/Claude Rains]

You win 10,000 internets for that reference!  *hands Rog his markers*
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2009, 01:58:38 am
There's gambling going on here?

[/Claude Rains]

You win 10,000 internets for that reference!  *hands Rog his markers*

Oh, thank you.

[/Claude Rains very next line, of course]
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2009, 07:29:22 am
I hate to say it, but maybe we actually would have been better with McCain / Palin. They would be too dumb to be devious.

They don't need to be devious.  That's what the Neocon contingent are for.

Besides, going by McCain's and Palin's comments during the Iran election crisis, we'd be at war with the Iranian regime right now, if they had been in power.  Wanna see the true extent of Iranian influence in the Middle East and Central Asia?  I sure don't.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Kai on September 18, 2009, 12:41:52 pm
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 18, 2009, 02:38:52 pm
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

 :lulz:

Sometimes I think total collapse is the optimal solution.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Triple Zero on September 18, 2009, 03:07:08 pm
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

But Palin would turn the White House into a semi-spherical tank-like metallic mobile subterranean fortress, that looks the same way both backwards and forward.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2009, 04:50:46 pm
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

 :lulz:

Sometimes I think total collapse is the optimal solution.

Yeah, same here, until I remember that I'd be dead without modern medicine, and my daughter would have died at 6 months old.

If you want total collapse, move to Somalia.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2009, 04:51:35 pm
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

There is still funny to be wrung out of the system. 

Besides, I LIKE seeing monkeys cram themselves into cubes.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Kai on September 18, 2009, 05:24:04 pm
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

There is still funny to be wrung out of the system. 

Besides, I LIKE seeing monkeys cram themselves into cubes.

There's funny in every system. Funny is an inherent part of the human situation.

Having a reasonable government would still have plenty of funny. Think Discworld's Vetinari, a benevolent tyrant Machiavelli. Reasonable, and yet still so much funny.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 18, 2009, 06:43:08 pm
Somalia is not sufficiently collapsed. Dysfunctional, sure, but not collapsed.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 18, 2009, 06:52:22 pm
As delightful as the idea of total collapse is on one level, I'm scared of it because I know damn well that a bunch of people I love would die.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2009, 07:00:02 pm
Somalia is not sufficiently collapsed. Dysfunctional, sure, but not collapsed.

You are a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2009, 07:00:55 pm
As delightful as the idea of total collapse is on one level, I'm scared of it because I know damn well that a bunch of people I love would die.

Why does it always have to be about you?  Your loved ones are in the way of Enki's anarchist paradise.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 18, 2009, 07:03:08 pm
(http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/pictures/lordoftheexecutiveprivledges.jpg)

And, you all are already living in my anarchist paradise ;-).
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2009, 07:09:35 pm
I'd like to enjoy that cartoon.  Too bad Enki posted it.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Eater of Clowns on September 18, 2009, 11:31:14 pm
Fresh today on Cracked:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/history-texbook-from-the-future-holy-shit/ (http://www.cracked.com/blog/history-texbook-from-the-future-holy-shit/)

Obama Administration as written about in a high school history book.  It's a fucking gem.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Jenne on September 19, 2009, 12:28:53 am
:lulz:  WTF?  I didn't know that Charlie Sheen was DEMANDING some 9/11 investigation.  :lulz:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/6177194/Charlie-Sheen-urges-Barack-Obama-to-reopen-911-investigation-in-video-message.html
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Triple Zero on September 19, 2009, 12:30:51 am
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

But Palin would turn the White House into a semi-spherical tank-like metallic mobile subterranean fortress, that looks the same way both backwards and forward.

...

PALIN-DROME.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Pariah on September 19, 2009, 12:43:44 am
Relevant quote from the Jake Day Thread
This guy. . .
Is a Democrat?
Yeah.  They're different from the republicans.  In some manner.
Quote
In some manner.

Its the ties. they wear different ties.

Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Telarus on September 19, 2009, 02:20:48 am
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

But Palin would turn the White House into a semi-spherical tank-like metallic mobile subterranean fortress, that looks the same way both backwards and forward.

...

PALIN-DROME.
:horrormirth:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Halfbaked1 on September 19, 2009, 09:51:00 am
Obama is a politician, he is a Liberal, and he may very well have socialistic leanings, but he is a capitalistic, power grubbing politician to be certain.  Anything he says is to get the sheep to vote for him and has no basis in what he actually believes that he can do.  No politician would be better at it, some could have been worse.  I just keep watching as civilization slides inexorably toward collapse and continue to hope that the asteroid/comet/solar flare would just happen so that it can all be said and done with.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Kai on September 19, 2009, 04:22:17 pm
Obama is a politician, he is a Liberal an opportunistic centrist.

Fixed for truth. Obama with socialist leanings?  :lulz:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Halfbaked1 on September 20, 2009, 12:10:08 pm
He can be whatever he wants, doesn't really matter as he is a bloody stinkin politician.  So yeah, my mistake, labels do not apply aside from Politician. 
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 20, 2009, 04:38:15 pm
As horrible as The Smiler is turning out to be, it beats the hell out of a Palin presidency.

Why do you hate Freedom? Palin could have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, bring the whole thing crashing down on it's head.

But Palin would turn the White House into a semi-spherical tank-like metallic mobile subterranean fortress, that looks the same way both backwards and forward.

...

PALIN-DROME.

 :goatse:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 20, 2009, 04:38:52 pm
He can be whatever he wants, doesn't really matter as he is a bloody stinkin politician human.  So yeah, my mistake, labels do not apply aside from Politician. 

Fixed.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 20, 2009, 04:39:20 pm
Obama is a politician, he is a Liberal,

HAW HAW!   :lulz:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 20, 2009, 04:39:45 pm
Obama is a politician, he is a Liberal an opportunistic centrist.

Fixed for truth. Obama with socialist leanings?  :lulz:

They're so CUTE when they still believe that sort of shit, aren't they?
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Kai on September 21, 2009, 09:40:05 pm
Obama is a politician, he is a Liberal an opportunistic centrist.

Fixed for truth. Obama with socialist leanings?  :lulz:

They're so CUTE when they still believe that sort of shit, aren't they?

Only momentarily.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Halfbaked1 on September 22, 2009, 05:11:56 am
He can be whatever he wants, doesn't really matter as he is a bloody stinkin politician human.  So yeah, my mistake, labels do not apply aside from Politician. 

Fixed.

Are you sure politicians are human?  I was of the mind that they were spawned from some strange fungus that grew under under the seat cushions of the house of Representatives.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 22, 2009, 03:20:33 pm


Are you sure politicians are human? 

Oh, yes.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Kai on September 22, 2009, 09:26:03 pm
He can be whatever he wants, doesn't really matter as he is a bloody stinkin politician human.  So yeah, my mistake, labels do not apply aside from Politician. 

Fixed.

Are you sure politicians are human?  I was of the mind that they were spawned from some strange fungus that grew under under the seat cushions of the house of Representatives.

Fungi are less a-morel
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 22, 2009, 09:31:35 pm
He can be whatever he wants, doesn't really matter as he is a bloody stinkin politician human.  So yeah, my mistake, labels do not apply aside from Politician. 

Fixed.

Are you sure politicians are human?  I was of the mind that they were spawned from some strange fungus that grew under under the seat cushions of the house of Representatives.

Fungi are less a-morel

Was that a pun, or did you mean amoral?
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Golden Applesauce on September 22, 2009, 09:35:22 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morel
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 22, 2009, 10:06:08 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morel

:crankey:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Kai on September 22, 2009, 11:27:22 pm
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on September 23, 2009, 12:57:29 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2009, 02:36:27 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

No.  But you're doing it anyway.   :lulz:

PD:  A good influence on young minds.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 23, 2009, 03:42:04 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

just avoid being cantankerous or acting like a curmudgeon and you shouldn't run  afoul of the union, us legally jaded old timers secretly take pride when we see a youngster become a cynic.. :wink:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2009, 03:45:07 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

just avoid being cantankerous or acting like a curmudgeon and you shouldn't run  afoul of the union, us legally jaded old timers secretly take pride when we see a youngster become a cynic.. :wink:

No we don't.  There's only so much room on the fucking park bench.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Halfbaked1 on September 23, 2009, 03:51:41 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I caught myself yelling at some kids to get outta my yard the other day.  I just ended up standing there in a daze and wandered back in the house.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2009, 03:52:20 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I caught myself yelling at some kids to get outta my yard the other day.  I just ended up standing there in a daze and wandered back in the house.

I'd have turned the hose on them, and cackled til I had a stroke.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: fomenter on September 23, 2009, 03:55:55 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

just avoid being cantankerous or acting like a curmudgeon and you shouldn't run  afoul of the union, us legally jaded old timers secretly take pride when we see a youngster become a cynic.. :wink:

No we don't.  There's only so much room on the fucking park bench.


bigger benches will be needed,

      its a sign of the times
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Pariah on September 23, 2009, 03:57:02 am
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I certainly hope so or else I'm screwed.
But in my defense I go to a HIGH SCHOOL (bad enough as it is) in this mockery of a city that ye mortals like to call Spokane.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on September 23, 2009, 05:00:39 pm
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I certainly hope so or else I'm screwed.
But in my defense I go to a HIGH SCHOOL (bad enough as it is) in this mockery of a city that ye mortals like to call Spokane.

Shit, you've got a jump even on me. :x

There's a rant in here somewhere about being the generation that finished off the Republic.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2009, 05:30:04 pm
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I certainly hope so or else I'm screwed.
But in my defense I go to a HIGH SCHOOL (bad enough as it is) in this mockery of a city that ye mortals like to call Spokane.

Shit, you've got a jump even on me. :x

There's a rant in here somewhere about being the generation that finished off the Republic.

That would have been my generation, and the one immediately preceding it.

However, the republic has been dead for 144 years.  Lincoln saved the union, but destroyed the republic.
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on September 23, 2009, 05:36:06 pm
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I certainly hope so or else I'm screwed.
But in my defense I go to a HIGH SCHOOL (bad enough as it is) in this mockery of a city that ye mortals like to call Spokane.

Shit, you've got a jump even on me. :x

There's a rant in here somewhere about being the generation that finished off the Republic.

That would have been my generation, and the one immediately preceding it.

No no no

Your generation BOUGHT the Death Rattle of the Republic for only $49.99 after mail-in rebate


my generation are the toddlers who shall wield that rattle and whack our siblings in the face with it before shitting the bed and the nightlight burns out and no one gets any sleep anymore because BABY WANTS ENTERTAINMENT AND DISTRACTION, DAMN IT!
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: Idem on September 23, 2009, 05:38:28 pm
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I certainly hope so or else I'm screwed.
But in my defense I go to a HIGH SCHOOL (bad enough as it is) in this mockery of a city that ye mortals like to call Spokane.

Shit, you've got a jump even on me. :x

There's a rant in here somewhere about being the generation that finished off the Republic.

That would have been my generation, and the one immediately preceding it.

No no no

Your generation BOUGHT the Death Rattle of the Republic for only $49.99 after mail-in rebate


my generation are the toddlers who shall wield that rattle and whack our siblings in the face with it before shitting the bed and the nightlight burns out and no one gets any sleep anymore because BABY WANTS ENTERTAINMENT AND DISTRACTION, DAMN IT!

 :lol:
Title: Re: Obama wants to re-up Patriot Acts
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 23, 2009, 05:42:24 pm
For fuck's sake, is it even legal for me to become bitter and jaded before the age of 20?

I certainly hope so or else I'm screwed.
But in my defense I go to a HIGH SCHOOL (bad enough as it is) in this mockery of a city that ye mortals like to call Spokane.

Shit, you've got a jump even on me. :x

There's a rant in here somewhere about being the generation that finished off the Republic.

That would have been my generation, and the one immediately preceding it.

No no no

Your generation BOUGHT the Death Rattle of the Republic for only $49.99 after mail-in rebate


my generation are the toddlers who shall wield that rattle and whack our siblings in the face with it before shitting the bed and the nightlight burns out and no one gets any sleep anymore because BABY WANTS ENTERTAINMENT AND DISTRACTION, DAMN IT!

Quite right.  We should have strangled you at birth.