Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Principia Discussion => Topic started by: Placid Dingo on June 29, 2012, 11:52:05 pm

Title: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on June 29, 2012, 11:52:05 pm
I'm taking the better half of next year to travel. I have a weird thing where I don't like to travel for travel sake, so I usually find some work/project/courses to build plans around.

I want to get into a writing project, ideally accessable enough to get accepted by a publisher, that charts the contemporary Discordian scene. So if you're keen for me to harass you, in person, sometime next year, let me know. Also if anyone puts put up for a night, I pay for accom with making dinner.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Salty on June 29, 2012, 11:56:53 pm
If you make your way to Alaska, you can crash on my super comfy couch.

Sounds like fun!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Juana on June 29, 2012, 11:58:52 pm
Can't put you up, but if you wander through the Central Valley in California, I'll meet up with you and see if we can connect with some local Discordians.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: EK WAFFLR on June 30, 2012, 02:00:40 am
I somehow doubt that you'll be making it to Norway, but if that happens, I have a very comfy sofa.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: AFK on June 30, 2012, 02:02:42 am
Great idea, I would look forward to following, however, I doubt my wife would be keen on strange spags crashing the couch.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Telarus on June 30, 2012, 03:09:23 am
I'm sure if you get to PDX we can arrange some meetups.  :evil:
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 30, 2012, 11:27:25 am
Sounds like fun!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Fractalbeard on June 30, 2012, 06:13:41 pm
Sounds like a thing to do, I'm in if you're passing through the Cleveland/Akron Ohio area!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: LMNO on July 01, 2012, 07:21:54 am
The New England area is fairly target rich, and if you're "serious" about interviews, I'd be willing to give you a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 01, 2012, 07:57:12 am
I'm sure if you get to PDX we can arrange some meetups.  :evil:

Damn straight!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Triple Zero on July 01, 2012, 01:18:41 pm
Of course entirely depending on where you're travelling to, but if you're in the Netherlands I'll do my best to meet up, and if you need a place to crash you're absolutely welcome (though I'm about a 2h train ride removed from popular places such as Amsterdam or Utrecht--but the city up in the North where I live is in fact pretty cool as well and has a cheap connection to Bremen Airport).
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 01:30:11 pm
If you make your way to Alaska, you can crash on my super comfy couch.

Sounds like fun!

Sounds rad Alty, I'll pm you when I get closer. Ta!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 01:31:06 pm
Can't put you up, but if you wander through the Central Valley in California, I'll meet up with you and see if we can connect with some local Discordians.

That sounds great, I'd appreciate the fuck out of that Garbo.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 01:32:59 pm
I somehow doubt that you'll be making it to Norway, but if that happens, I have a very comfy sofa.

I'm really keen to reach Norway at some point next year Waffle, just because I'm really keen on Norway. So I'll definately take you up on that at some point, thanks.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 01:33:57 pm
Great idea, I would look forward to following, however, I doubt my wife would be keen on strange spags crashing the couch.

Rev, would you be keen to meet up, just to cha on Discordia? I'm after whatever voices I can score.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 01:59:08 pm
I'm sure if you get to PDX we can arrange some meetups.  :evil:

Tel and Nigel, I'm all types of keen! I'll stay in touch and try to sort times.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 02:00:12 pm
Sounds like fun!

Pm incoming.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 03:04:42 pm
Sounds like a thing to do, I'm in if you're passing through the Cleveland/Akron Ohio area!

Keen as!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 03:08:39 pm
The New England area is fairly target rich, and if you're "serious" about interviews, I'd be willing to give you a couple of hours.

Yeah, I'm really taking this on as project that I'm serious about. I want to come out the other side with something engaging, entertaining and accessible  that explains what Discordia authentically means to today's Discordians. I would really appreciate you taking the time.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 03:11:31 pm
Of course entirely depending on where you're travelling to, but if you're in the Netherlands I'll do my best to meet up, and if you need a place to crash you're absolutely welcome (though I'm about a 2h train ride removed from popular places such as Amsterdam or Utrecht--but the city up in the North where I live is in fact pretty cool as well and has a cheap connection to Bremen Airport).


That would be damn fine Trip, thanks.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Johnny on July 01, 2012, 07:31:21 pm

Dingo, how long until you take the trip?

Would you be open to suggestions?

Because im thinking that semi-open style interviews could provide the best material and it could even be analyzed in a qualitative manner which id be willing to do, and if you manage to make at least 8 interviews this could really become a nice project.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mistre on July 01, 2012, 09:14:27 pm
If by any chance you end up in Rio de Janeiro, I would love to be part of your project!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 01, 2012, 09:21:56 pm
The New England area is fairly target rich, and if you're "serious" about interviews, I'd be willing to give you a couple of hours.

Yeah, I'm really taking this on as project that I'm serious about. I want to come out the other side with something engaging, entertaining and accessible  that explains what Discordia authentically means to today's Discordians. I would really appreciate you taking the time.

Bet you can get a grant for this.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:26:55 pm
The New England area is fairly target rich, and if you're "serious" about interviews, I'd be willing to give you a couple of hours.

Yeah, I'm really taking this on as project that I'm serious about. I want to come out the other side with something engaging, entertaining and accessible  that explains what Discordia authentically means to today's Discordians. I would really appreciate you taking the time.

Bet you can get a grant for this.

WOULDN'T

          it be easier to do this by way of email? however, if you've got the cash to globetrot for this cause, take me with you!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:28:46 pm


HOW ABOUT

          a tv miniseries version of interviews and such? discordlandia?
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mistre on July 01, 2012, 09:53:47 pm
I would watch that!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 01, 2012, 10:12:22 pm
DOC. GRANT. KICKSTARTER. INDEPENDENT LENS (or something of that nature).

Also, accomodations suck here but would definitely hang and talk if you have the misfortune to find yourself passing through Texas.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 11:44:37 pm

Dingo, how long until you take the trip?

Would you be open to suggestions?

Because im thinking that semi-open style interviews could provide the best material and it could even be analyzed in a qualitative manner which id be willing to do, and if you manage to make at least 8 interviews this could really become a nice project.

I'm super open to suggestions.

I was thinking for interviews to have a recorder taking things down as I go, which would work well for both discussions in meatups and in one on one discussions. I have been playing with the idea of usig a camcorder but I'm worried that wouldn't serve very well in a group situation.

What do you mean by semi-open style? I'm interested in the idea of analysing in a qualitative style but I'm not sure at this stage what that would look like. And if you're interested in this project and willing to be part of it, I'm super super passionate about getting involvement from anyone keen to play along.

As far as film goes, to film 8 interviews seems to me to be really doable.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 11:47:33 pm
If by any chance you end up in Rio de Janeiro, I would love to be part of your project!


I keep hearing about how many Discordians are in Brazil, so that would be really great. I was going to see if I could make contact with the blogger who's apparently a big Discordian figure.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 11:50:45 pm
The New England area is fairly target rich, and if you're "serious" about interviews, I'd be willing to give you a couple of hours.

Yeah, I'm really taking this on as project that I'm serious about. I want to come out the other side with something engaging, entertaining and accessible  that explains what Discordia authentically means to today's Discordians. I would really appreciate you taking the time.

Bet you can get a grant for this.

I honestly never considered this as a possibility. I'll get onto a bit of a hunt to see what's available. Thanks.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 01, 2012, 11:58:34 pm
The New England area is fairly target rich, and if you're "serious" about interviews, I'd be willing to give you a couple of hours.

Yeah, I'm really taking this on as project that I'm serious about. I want to come out the other side with something engaging, entertaining and accessible  that explains what Discordia authentically means to today's Discordians. I would really appreciate you taking the time.

Bet you can get a grant for this.

WOULDN'T

          it be easier to do this by way of email? however, if you've got the cash to globetrot for this cause, take me with you!

Pope Oldboy Floats already released a series of Discordian interviews by distance in the work 'voices of chaos' which is really good in parts (great interview with Adam Gorightly starts it off). I want to do something a bit different with a journey piece.

I'm not where I want to be in terms of where I live, career, life etc and I really wanted to inject myself into something I'm really passionate about, and travel and Discordia really meet that description. I can't travel for travel sake; for some reason it feels really inorganic, so I want to use my travel as a means to produce high quality work.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 02, 2012, 12:01:29 am


HOW ABOUT

          a tv miniseries version of interviews and such? discordlandia?

The original concept was a series of talking heads interviews discussing various aspects of Discordia, cut and put into a small series of freely released films. My strength though is writing, and I think a written product at the end would be more feasable and possibly easier to find publishing interest in.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 02, 2012, 12:04:03 am
DOC. GRANT. KICKSTARTER. INDEPENDENT LENS (or something of that nature).

Also, accomodations suck here but would definitely hang and talk if you have the misfortune to find yourself passing through Texas.

I'd be super keen to drop in to Texas. There's friends of the family who live in Arazona so I might end there anyway. What's a Doc? I'm looking into setting up a Kickstarter. I'll look up independent lens too, havent heard of that.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Johnny on July 02, 2012, 02:11:30 am

Dingo, how long until you take the trip?

Would you be open to suggestions?

Because im thinking that semi-open style interviews could provide the best material and it could even be analyzed in a qualitative manner which id be willing to do, and if you manage to make at least 8 interviews this could really become a nice project.

I'm super open to suggestions.

I was thinking for interviews to have a recorder taking things down as I go, which would work well for both discussions in meatups and in one on one discussions. I have been playing with the idea of usig a camcorder but I'm worried that wouldn't serve very well in a group situation.

What do you mean by semi-open style? I'm interested in the idea of analysing in a qualitative style but I'm not sure at this stage what that would look like. And if you're interested in this project and willing to be part of it, I'm super super passionate about getting involvement from anyone keen to play along.

As far as film goes, to film 8 interviews seems to me to be really doable.

Well, the semi-open interview consists of only having "guideline" questions of the main topics you don't want to forget to engage, ive done interviews that only had one guideline question, or others where there where 10 guideline questions... the premise behind not having a solid script and instead having guides is because one is to allow the interviewee to lead the interview to wherever they think is relevant, not what you originally thought was relevant when you designed the questions... it makes for a greater participation in the exchange from the part of the interviewee. The appropiate lenght of each session should be ranging between at least 30 minutes to at most an hour and a half (although depending on what is being asked and the dynamic that ensues, there can be several interviews per person)

The method consists of audio recording the interview and then transcribing it to text, when thereby it is analyzed.

But this is not so simple... the questions themselves arent just aces from your sleeve, one is supposed to think of what one wishes to research,  lookup background research or theory that is already existing in the subject and then think of the questions that would be more appropiate to research it.

Regarding the analysis, it is made with the material from the interviews, engaging it with theory and authors that are relevant to what comes up.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 02, 2012, 02:51:28 am
DOC. GRANT. KICKSTARTER. INDEPENDENT LENS (or something of that nature).

Also, accomodations suck here but would definitely hang and talk if you have the misfortune to find yourself passing through Texas.

I'd be super keen to drop in to Texas. There's friends of the family who live in Arazona so I might end there anyway. What's a Doc? I'm looking into setting up a Kickstarter. I'll look up independent lens too, havent heard of that.

Documentary. I'm a lazy typist.

Independent Lens is a public television show that broadcasts indie films. I've seen some odd ones on it, it's not out of the question that they might run something like this.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Johnny on July 02, 2012, 03:00:54 am
So you really need to think hard about what is it about discordians that you want to research.

Ideology?

How discordia ties in with their life?

What does it mean to be a discordian?
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 02, 2012, 03:19:48 am
So you really need to think hard about what is it about discordians that you want to research.

Ideology?

How discordia ties in with their life?

What does it mean to be a discordian?

It's cool to have that to start.

I've seen a lot of great stuff start with one aim and turn into something else along the way, though. Which is even cooler, documenting how that happens.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Johnny on July 02, 2012, 03:39:30 am

No matter how well prepared is the researcher, there is always interesting unplanned things that show up, given that he/she is willing to listen and be open to it.

That doesnt mean the prep work shouldnt be done do  :lol:
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 02, 2012, 03:55:30 am


HOW ABOUT

          a tv miniseries version of interviews and such? discordlandia?

There's grant money for documentaries out there. My ex did one in Venezuela.

A virtually unheard-of "joke" cult that's lasted for 50+ years? In like Flynn. I can hear the grant money cha-ching from here. And even if the goal is written stories, video documentation is a fantastic idea.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 02, 2012, 10:45:12 am
That's great Nyx. I'm developing the kinds of questions I'd like to look into at the moment. It's fascinating seeing that process articulated, that's great. Yeah I think I really want to have a primrary focus on 'living, breathing Discordia', the people who are actively part of the community right now. I'm looming at finding more about using the 'cloud' technology so I can store the video footage remoter and share it more simply (especially if there's unfeasable amounts of it).

I'm not 100% sure where I should go in terms of research bit probably the work on Kerry Thornley is a good place to start, and get a bit of an understanding of the time and place for the founders, RAW etc. Also maybe worth looking into some general theology and whatever serious work has been done on parody religions.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 02, 2012, 10:48:05 am
DOC. GRANT. KICKSTARTER. INDEPENDENT LENS (or something of that nature).

Also, accomodations suck here but would definitely hang and talk if you have the misfortune to find yourself passing through Texas.

I'd be super keen to drop in to Texas. There's friends of the family who live in Arazona so I might end there anyway. What's a Doc? I'm looking into setting up a Kickstarter. I'll look up independent lens too, havent heard of that.

Documentary. I'm a lazy typist.

Independent Lens is a public television show that broadcasts indie films. I've seen some odd ones on it, it's not out of the question that they might run something like this.

Yeah thanks. I really need to do some solid research on finding out who could be interested in the product once it's created.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 02, 2012, 10:57:34 am


HOW ABOUT

          a tv miniseries version of interviews and such? discordlandia?

There's grant money for documentaries out there. My ex did one in Venezuela.

A virtually unheard-of "joke" cult that's lasted for 50+ years? In like Flynn. I can hear the grant money cha-ching from here. And even if the goal is written stories, video documentation is a fantastic idea.

Imma go grant hunting this weekend. There's the Australian Film Commission, wonder who else is accessible.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on July 02, 2012, 04:34:29 pm
I'm pretty sure me and Payne could put you up if you come to the South Coast of the UK.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Johnny on July 02, 2012, 04:57:15 pm
That's great Nyx. I'm developing the kinds of questions I'd like to look into at the moment. It's fascinating seeing that process articulated, that's great. Yeah I think I really want to have a primrary focus on 'living, breathing Discordia', the people who are actively part of the community right now. I'm looming at finding more about using the 'cloud' technology so I can store the video footage remoter and share it more simply (especially if there's unfeasable amounts of it).

I'm not 100% sure where I should go in terms of research bit probably the work on Kerry Thornley is a good place to start, and get a bit of an understanding of the time and place for the founders, RAW etc. Also maybe worth looking into some general theology and whatever serious work has been done on parody religions.

Maybe life histories if your intent is to look for the ties between discordia and a persons life?

And for background youd probably need to see how other religions tie in with people's lives to perhaps draw a comparison?

But that also depends... is discordia a religion? (seriously now) or what is it really? Depending on how you conceptualize it, its gonna have a direct impact on the project
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 02, 2012, 05:02:45 pm
Count me in if you make it to either Boston or Providence. I would probably not be able to put you up though, since we don't really have a living room, unless I arranged something with my landlady that you could borrow the use of my room while I stay over at Villager's. No guarantees on that though.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Deepthroat Chopra on July 03, 2012, 07:10:52 am


HOW ABOUT

          a tv miniseries version of interviews and such? discordlandia?

There's grant money for documentaries out there. My ex did one in Venezuela.

A virtually unheard-of "joke" cult that's lasted for 50+ years? In like Flynn. I can hear the grant money cha-ching from here. And even if the goal is written stories, video documentation is a fantastic idea.

Imma go grant hunting this weekend. There's the Australian Film Commission, wonder who else is accessible.

With Screen Australia, you've got to take an angle of Australian culture - maybe a compare and contrast thing between Discord here, and the other spots. They might take more kindly to a mocumentary style (such as "Kenny" and about half the other things they've funded this last decade), which shows Discordians in various parts of the world plotting to overthrow the Australian government, and how much we'd be better off if that happened.

I'm not saying that's what you should do, of course, but just trying to get insight into these fundiing bodies. Also, they have more money for features than doco's.

I'm in NNSW, not too far from Byron, if you're in the area. Happy to assist looking at funding and/or other practical matters if required.

There's also Australia Council, and the state film funding bodies (Film SA, etc.)

Another funding possibility would be our array of wacky conspiracy magazines, like New Dawn, Nexus, and others. Anyway, more thought required.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 03, 2012, 08:22:42 am
I'm pretty sure me and Payne could put you up if you come to the South Coast of the UK.

That could be phenomonal Pix. I'm plannng to stay in France for a while in the second half of next year and use that as a base for European travel.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 03, 2012, 08:25:20 am
That's great Nyx. I'm developing the kinds of questions I'd like to look into at the moment. It's fascinating seeing that process articulated, that's great. Yeah I think I really want to have a primrary focus on 'living, breathing Discordia', the people who are actively part of the community right now. I'm looming at finding more about using the 'cloud' technology so I can store the video footage remoter and share it more simply (especially if there's unfeasable amounts of it).

I'm not 100% sure where I should go in terms of research bit probably the work on Kerry Thornley is a good place to start, and get a bit of an understanding of the time and place for the founders, RAW etc. Also maybe worth looking into some general theology and whatever serious work has been done on parody religions.

Maybe life histories if your intent is to look for the ties between discordia and a persons life?

And for background youd probably need to see how other religions tie in with people's lives to perhaps draw a comparison?

But that also depends... is discordia a religion? (seriously now) or what is it really? Depending on how you conceptualize it, its gonna have a direct impact on the project

That's interesting, I'll try to develop a bit of a manifesto that discusses what I want to look at. If possible I'd like to leave Discordia as undefined as possible, but get some clear ideas of what other people define it as.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 03, 2012, 08:31:44 am
Count me in if you make it to either Boston or Providence. I would probably not be able to put you up though, since we don't really have a living room, unless I arranged something with my landlady that you could borrow the use of my room while I stay over at Villager's. No guarantees on that though.

I'm happy enough to just score some interview time Twid, that's the priority. Don't put yourself out with the accom, I'll find a place.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 03, 2012, 11:27:13 am


HOW ABOUT

          a tv miniseries version of interviews and such? discordlandia?

There's grant money for documentaries out there. My ex did one in Venezuela.

A virtually unheard-of "joke" cult that's lasted for 50+ years? In like Flynn. I can hear the grant money cha-ching from here. And even if the goal is written stories, video documentation is a fantastic idea.

Imma go grant hunting this weekend. There's the Australian Film Commission, wonder who else is accessible.

With Screen Australia, you've got to take an angle of Australian culture - maybe a compare and contrast thing between Discord here, and the other spots. They might take more kindly to a mocumentary style (such as "Kenny" and about half the other things they've funded this last decade), which shows Discordians in various parts of the world plotting to overthrow the Australian government, and how much we'd be better off if that happened.

I'm not saying that's what you should do, of course, but just trying to get insight into these fundiing bodies. Also, they have more money for features than doco's.

I'm in NNSW, not too far from Byron, if you're in the area. Happy to assist looking at funding and/or other practical matters if required.

There's also Australia Council, and the state film funding bodies (Film SA, etc.)

Another funding possibility would be our array of wacky conspiracy magazines, like New Dawn, Nexus, and others. Anyway, more thought required.

That's some great info DC, cheers. I'll check up some magazines. Even without a grant it could be good to send of some minor pieces as freelance articles.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 04, 2012, 02:40:59 pm
Developing a Kickstarter. What would be a good reward? In no particular order some options I've seen other people pursue include;

A phone call to say thanks
Drawing someone a picture
A copy of the book (this could take a while because my first priority is to get it published by a mainstream publishing house)
A (link to/copy of) other (self-published / yet unpublished) fiction works of mine
A copy of audio work of mine (not the work in question though, audio book of something else)
I will interview you for a blog post (or something)
Connect to you by social networking
I enlist your help in developing another project
I come deliver you a copy of the finished product in person
I list your name on my webpage as a helper

Some of these I like, some I hate but I don't want to prejudice opinions.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 04, 2012, 04:18:12 pm
Developing a Kickstarter. What would be a good reward? In no particular order some options I've seen other people pursue include;

A phone call to say thanks
Drawing someone a picture
A copy of the book (this could take a while because my first priority is to get it published by a mainstream publishing house)
A (link to/copy of) other (self-published / yet unpublished) fiction works of mine
A copy of audio work of mine (not the work in question though, audio book of something else)
I will interview you for a blog post (or something)
Connect to you by social networking
I enlist your help in developing another project
I come deliver you a copy of the finished product in person
I list your name on my webpage as a helper

Some of these I like, some I hate but I don't want to prejudice opinions.

Hrmm.... People like getting stuff but that might also be time consuming. I'd say the best bet is a phone call to say thank you since that can take just a minute or so, but at the same time shows you put effort into thanking the donors. Maybe combine that with listing the name on the webpage. Keep them in mind for other projects.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: BabylonHoruv on July 04, 2012, 06:24:58 pm
Let me know if you are in Ohio.  My wife is funny about people being allowed in the house (it's messy) but if you are in Akron that's an easy drive from me so we could sit down and do an interview. 
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: EK WAFFLR on July 04, 2012, 10:18:10 pm
Developing a Kickstarter. What would be a good reward? In no particular order some options I've seen other people pursue include;

A phone call to say thanks
Drawing someone a picture
A copy of the book (this could take a while because my first priority is to get it published by a mainstream publishing house)
A (link to/copy of) other (self-published / yet unpublished) fiction works of mine
A copy of audio work of mine (not the work in question though, audio book of something else)
I will interview you for a blog post (or something)
Connect to you by social networking
I enlist your help in developing another project
I come deliver you a copy of the finished product in person
I list your name on my webpage as a helper

Some of these I like, some I hate but I don't want to prejudice opinions.

Name them in the Thank you list at the end of the book.

Insert a "fuck" in the book. (I stole these from Martin Atkins' Kickstarter)

Signed artwork, signed books, signed shirts, oh and of course t-shirts related to the book.

If some of the interviewees are willing and able, maybe ask them to write a song about the backer.

Have pins/badges/buttons made with related stuff on them and offer to backers only.

Free ebook.


Also, croudfunding and major publishing houses don't usually mix that well. If you manage to get the funds to print it yourself, do it. I can aska few of my publisher friends how they manage to get their books to major book stores etc, if you like.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 04, 2012, 11:55:28 pm
Developing a Kickstarter. What would be a good reward? In no particular order some options I've seen other people pursue include;

A phone call to say thanks
Drawing someone a picture
A copy of the book (this could take a while because my first priority is to get it published by a mainstream publishing house)
A (link to/copy of) other (self-published / yet unpublished) fiction works of mine
A copy of audio work of mine (not the work in question though, audio book of something else)
I will interview you for a blog post (or something)
Connect to you by social networking
I enlist your help in developing another project
I come deliver you a copy of the finished product in person
I list your name on my webpage as a helper

Some of these I like, some I hate but I don't want to prejudice opinions.

Name them in the Thank you list at the end of the book.

Insert a "fuck" in the book. (I stole these from Martin Atkins' Kickstarter)

Signed artwork, signed books, signed shirts, oh and of course t-shirts related to the book.

If some of the interviewees are willing and able, maybe ask them to write a song about the backer.

Have pins/badges/buttons made with related stuff on them and offer to backers only.

Free ebook.


Also, croudfunding and major publishing houses don't usually mix that well. If you manage to get the funds to print it yourself, do it. I can aska few of my publisher friends how they manage to get their books to major book stores etc, if you like.

Yeah it makes it tricky. Things like advance copies and changing the content automatically become harder to provide with a company involved. I have some idea of where to go with getting it published, but not specifically in regard to a non-fiction piece. I can also offer copies of fiction pieces that I've done up before but I don't know if that's a bit weird.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 04, 2012, 11:57:05 pm
Let me know if you are in Ohio.  My wife is funny about people being allowed in the house (it's messy) but if you are in Akron that's an easy drive from me so we could sit down and do an interview.

If I'm around the area we can set something up, thanks!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Eater of Clowns on July 05, 2012, 12:17:22 am
Let me know if you are in Ohio.  My wife is funny about people being allowed in the house (it's messy) but if you are in Akron that's an easy drive from me so we could sit down and do an interview.

If I'm around the area we can set something up, thanks!

And then Placid Dingo was never heard from again.

If you find yourself in the northeast, which as has been mentioned is a pretty central area for a lot of us, I'd be happy for, if not an interview then at the very least a beer.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: EK WAFFLR on July 05, 2012, 12:33:18 am
I can also offer copies of fiction pieces that I've done up before but I don't know if that's a bit weird.

Personally, I'd love that.
Anything that makes the backer feel "special" and "priviliged" is good, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 05, 2012, 12:39:40 pm
Let me know if you are in Ohio.  My wife is funny about people being allowed in the house (it's messy) but if you are in Akron that's an easy drive from me so we could sit down and do an interview.

If I'm around the area we can set something up, thanks!

And then Placid Dingo was never heard from again.

If you find yourself in the northeast, which as has been mentioned is a pretty central area for a lot of us, I'd be happy for, if not an interview then at the very least a beer.

Yeah, sounds good. I'll PM you closer to the date and get a state off you.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on July 07, 2012, 02:58:32 am
Definitely interested in being interviewed. Probably will be able to put you up.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 07, 2012, 03:18:32 am
Definitely interested in being interviewed. Probably will be able to put you up.

Awesome! State? Let me know here or via PM.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 07, 2012, 01:17:01 pm
Now have an overview up. It's available by link only, I'm hoping not to sully my good name until AFTER I'm outta school.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15xXIAPtdRVnveVD20J8OyHyZjeSYz2pNj24yneaTz7w/edit
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Roly Poly Oly-Garch on July 07, 2012, 03:17:43 pm
I would watch watch the shit out of that!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 07, 2012, 04:17:06 pm
Now have an overview up. It's available by link only, I'm hoping not to sully my good name until AFTER I'm outta school.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15xXIAPtdRVnveVD20J8OyHyZjeSYz2pNj24yneaTz7w/edit

Not bad save for a couple of date errors: Discordianism was developed/invented in the late fifties and the first edition of the Principia Discordia was published in 1958 or 1959. Someone here figured out which, but I have no idea which thread that was in. Telarus might remember?
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 07, 2012, 04:18:41 pm
Oh, and you might want to throw in a mention of Discordianism's much better-known offshoot, the Church of the Subgenius.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 07, 2012, 10:36:49 pm
All good advice, I'll jump on that today.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Johnny on July 07, 2012, 11:11:22 pm

It seems your work will consist of two parts: an interview (life history) and ethnographic observation (participant observation).

Do you have any formal training on the social sciences?
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 08, 2012, 01:52:33 am

It seems your work will consist of two parts: an interview (life history) and ethnographic observation (participant observation).

Do you have any formal training on the social sciences?

Afraid not. I will have two journalism courses under my belt by the time I get started. Any recommended reading?
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 08, 2012, 02:15:55 am
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Johnny on July 08, 2012, 03:53:23 am

It seems your work will consist of two parts: an interview (life history) and ethnographic observation (participant observation).

Do you have any formal training on the social sciences?

Afraid not. I will have two journalism courses under my belt by the time I get started. Any recommended reading?

Ill have to get back to you on that, most sources i know are in spanish.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Telarus on July 08, 2012, 07:18:32 am
Hmmm, sorry, I don't remember that [the date thing] off the top of my head.... I'll keep an eye out tho.

Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.

I can probably get you in contact with St. Mae and Wes. Let me know when.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 08, 2012, 07:37:31 pm
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.

I can pass on a message to St. Mae if you want.

Who's Kassanine? I've never heard of them!

In Portland, I would suggest also interviewing Johnny Brainwash and Danny Chaoflux.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 08, 2012, 09:51:32 pm
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.

Sondra's in my facebook friends. Send me something to forward to her.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 10, 2012, 09:11:57 am
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.

I can pass on a message to St. Mae if you want.

Who's Kassanine? I've never heard of them!

In Portland, I would suggest also interviewing Johnny Brainwash and Danny Chaoflux.

Oooh yes! I'll get onto them.

Kasasanine I read an article interviewing her, linked from this forum even, I think. She's part of the Austistic Self-Advocacy thing in Portland. I stumbled on her profile twice on social networking pages. Now, of course, I can't find her.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on July 11, 2012, 03:58:12 am
If you get to Norway, I'm interested in being interviewed! I'll most likely have a spare bedroom available.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 11, 2012, 06:05:16 am
Placid Dingo, when you get on, check your PM's.

Everybody else: If he doesn't get on soon, Sondra has requested vile, POTENT Aussie insults. Not for him, for somebody else. Know any good ones?   :lol:
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 11, 2012, 07:43:41 am
Placid Dingo, when you get on, check your PM's.

Everybody else: If he doesn't get on soon, Sondra has requested vile, POTENT Aussie insults. Not for him, for somebody else. Know any good ones?   :lol:

I'm not full of good ideas there. Best I could think of was confusing us with kiwis which can be effective. We love a good insult so it's hard to find an effective one.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 11, 2012, 07:50:45 am
If you get to Norway, I'm interested in being interviewed! I'll most likely have a spare bedroom available.

That would be great! I'm really keen to get to Norway.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Deepthroat Chopra on July 11, 2012, 09:13:04 am
Placid Dingo, when you get on, check your PM's.

Everybody else: If he doesn't get on soon, Sondra has requested vile, POTENT Aussie insults. Not for him, for somebody else. Know any good ones?   :lol:

How about -

The Kiwi's that move to Australia raise the average intelligence of both countries.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 11, 2012, 01:55:41 pm
Reverend Loveshade.


 :lulz:
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 12, 2012, 01:56:15 pm
OK, I'm setting up a thingy at Pozible as soon as I can photocopy my Drivers License (they're pretty tight on identity). Kickstarter requires a US bank account which I don't have. Posting the image, video and overview because I want to share. Feedback welcome.

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314794_10151084542659669_1779952555_n.jpg)

VIDEO (https://vimeo.com/home/myvideos)

Overview

Created in the late 50s, Discordianism is a religion, or a philosophy, or a joke, or a joke disguised as a religion, or a religion disguised as a joke, or all the above, depending on who you talk to. Centred around the (presumably) symbolic worship of the Greco-Roman Goddess Eris/Discordia, the primary text Principia Discordia explores the dichotomy of Order/Disorder, confirmation bias, the nature of life and death, nonsense as salvation and competing views of reality, offering a complexity and sincerity uncharacteristic of other ‘parody religions’ such as the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn or Pastafarianism.

Despite lurking in the shadows of the mainstream, Discordia had had its influence on popular culture. Author Robert Anton Wilson wrote a number of books featuring Discordians. Steve Jobs is anecdotally reported to have performed a Discordian Turkey Curse on an unsuccessful job applicant. The Church of the Subgenius, a parody religion closely related to Discordia, has the visage of ‘Bob Dobbs’ appearing in multiple places, including Devo video clips and the Melbourne ‘Polyester’ chain. Stephen Colbert was seduced into joining the nefarious Discordian enemy association The Bavarian Illuminati on his show, and long before Creative Commons, Discordia was exploring Kopyleft as an alternative to traditional copyright models.

The Principia was written around forty years ago. The Apocrypha Discordia, the first major work since the Principia, was released in 2001. Since then there’ve been numerous creative pieces released, with more major Discordian works released in the last ten years than the first forty combined. There’ve been Discordian music projects, artworks, magazines, T-shirts, badges. The religion is alive and kicking; but why?

What is it about a 50 year old joke religion that remains so pervasive and inspiring to its followers? What has attracted Discordians to Discordia? What does an ambiguously sincere religion offer to the irreligious, or sometimes aggressively atheistic? How does a philosophy overtly disregarding rules or structure capture the rigid attention of so many? How has Discordianism influenced one’s life choices, political or philosophical beliefs or lifestyle? What came before Discordia, and what did the road look like after?

I intend to visit Discordians to develop an understanding of the role Discordianism plays in one’s life through a series of interviews. I also intend to take an active role in viewing Discordians in ‘their natural habitat’, seeing how Discordia plays a role in everyday life, whether that’s taking some downtime to relax or roaming the streets in a fake moustache putting up silly posters as part of Operation Mindfuck, ultimately developing an engaging and intimate piece of gonzo anthropology.

I intend to come up with a piece of work that explores and develops an overview of Discordia, that ultimately represents a celebration of religion, humour, philosophy and life.

[I cut the budgeting bit out here but it'll be posted on Pozible]

Project Progress:

I’ve contacted a gaggle of Discordians, with a large number through America willing to offer their time for an interview, and others throughout the UK, Netherlands, Norway, Argentina, Sweden, Australia and Brazil offering their time, including large names within the community such as DrJon Swabey (editor of the Apocrypha Discordia) and Sondra London (published author of works outside of Discordia). I’m currently holding discussions with others via distance to collate additional material.

Other Completed Works

I have a selection of my own writings at http://www.placiddingo.com
I’ve self published other fiction works, including
Babble:http://www.lulu.com/shop/brenton-clutterbuck/babble/paperback/product-20083797.html
Me and My Hair: http://www.lulu.com/shop/brenton-clutterbuck/me-and-my-hair/ebook/product-17563268.html
I edited and contributed to episode 10 of the Intermittens Magazine (short-lived though technically continuing Discordian periodical): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25217337/Discord%20Books/InterMittens-10-Meatspace.pdf
I edited a collection of assorted writing by Discordians, geared towards a non-Discordian audience: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25217337/Discord%20Books/Intermittens-The-Fail-Whale-Apocalypse-and-Other-Stories.pdf

THIS BIT I really would love some feedback on because I'm not sure about it. The rewards. Either on the rewards themselves or the wording.


A$5+ Reward
Listing on my webpage as a thanks for believing in my project. Discordians; Holy name is OK too.

A$25+ Reward
Name listed on my website as contributor +link to your website. If you can get excited about my creative project, I'd love to help others get excited by yours. (Veto any offensive/explicit material though).

A$50+ Reward
Behind the scenes access on new projects: If you choose this donation, I'll add you into projects in progress through Google Docs, to get sneak peeks at progress on new Creative Commons works (yes, this means you can make derivative works pre-release).

A$75+ Reward
A book! A book!
So, ideally, this is Chasing Eris, but publishing can be a long process, so if it's taking too long and you've got a long plane ride coming up, let me know and I can send you one of my existing fiction pieces instead.

A$100+ Reward
As above with the book, but signed by me with a terrible poem on the inside cover as a tribute to my gratitude.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 12, 2012, 02:13:04 pm
And Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/ChasingEris/)
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2012, 03:06:32 am
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.

I can pass on a message to St. Mae if you want.

Who's Kassanine? I've never heard of them!

In Portland, I would suggest also interviewing Johnny Brainwash and Danny Chaoflux.

Oooh yes! I'll get onto them.

Kasasanine I read an article interviewing her, linked from this forum even, I think. She's part of the Austistic Self-Advocacy thing in Portland. I stumbled on her profile twice on social networking pages. Now, of course, I can't find her.

Oh, Kassianne! I know her; want me to give her your email addy?
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2012, 03:08:35 am
OK, I'm setting up a thingy at Pozible as soon as I can photocopy my Drivers License (they're pretty tight on identity). Kickstarter requires a US bank account which I don't have. Posting the image, video and overview because I want to share. Feedback welcome.

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314794_10151084542659669_1779952555_n.jpg)

VIDEO (https://vimeo.com/home/myvideos)

Overview

Created in the late 50s, Discordianism is a religion, or a philosophy, or a joke, or a joke disguised as a religion, or a religion disguised as a joke, or all the above, depending on who you talk to. Centred around the (presumably) symbolic worship of the Greco-Roman Goddess Eris/Discordia, the primary text Principia Discordia explores the dichotomy of Order/Disorder, confirmation bias, the nature of life and death, nonsense as salvation and competing views of reality, offering a complexity and sincerity uncharacteristic of other ‘parody religions’ such as the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn or Pastafarianism.

Despite lurking in the shadows of the mainstream, Discordia had had its influence on popular culture. Author Robert Anton Wilson wrote a number of books featuring Discordians. Steve Jobs is anecdotally reported to have performed a Discordian Turkey Curse on an unsuccessful job applicant. The Church of the Subgenius, a parody religion closely related to Discordia, has the visage of ‘Bob Dobbs’ appearing in multiple places, including Devo video clips and the Melbourne ‘Polyester’ chain. Stephen Colbert was seduced into joining the nefarious Discordian enemy association The Bavarian Illuminati on his show, and long before Creative Commons, Discordia was exploring Kopyleft as an alternative to traditional copyright models.

The Principia was written around forty years ago. The Apocrypha Discordia, the first major work since the Principia, was released in 2001. Since then there’ve been numerous creative pieces released, with more major Discordian works released in the last ten years than the first forty combined. There’ve been Discordian music projects, artworks, magazines, T-shirts, badges. The religion is alive and kicking; but why?

What is it about a 50 year old joke religion that remains so pervasive and inspiring to its followers? What has attracted Discordians to Discordia? What does an ambiguously sincere religion offer to the irreligious, or sometimes aggressively atheistic? How does a philosophy overtly disregarding rules or structure capture the rigid attention of so many? How has Discordianism influenced one’s life choices, political or philosophical beliefs or lifestyle? What came before Discordia, and what did the road look like after?

I intend to visit Discordians to develop an understanding of the role Discordianism plays in one’s life through a series of interviews. I also intend to take an active role in viewing Discordians in ‘their natural habitat’, seeing how Discordia plays a role in everyday life, whether that’s taking some downtime to relax or roaming the streets in a fake moustache putting up silly posters as part of Operation Mindfuck, ultimately developing an engaging and intimate piece of gonzo anthropology.

I intend to come up with a piece of work that explores and develops an overview of Discordia, that ultimately represents a celebration of religion, humour, philosophy and life.

[I cut the budgeting bit out here but it'll be posted on Pozible]

Project Progress:

I’ve contacted a gaggle of Discordians, with a large number through America willing to offer their time for an interview, and others throughout the UK, Netherlands, Norway, Argentina, Sweden, Australia and Brazil offering their time, including large names within the community such as DrJon Swabey (editor of the Apocrypha Discordia) and Sondra London (published author of works outside of Discordia). I’m currently holding discussions with others via distance to collate additional material.

Other Completed Works

I have a selection of my own writings at http://www.placiddingo.com
I’ve self published other fiction works, including
Babble:http://www.lulu.com/shop/brenton-clutterbuck/babble/paperback/product-20083797.html
Me and My Hair: http://www.lulu.com/shop/brenton-clutterbuck/me-and-my-hair/ebook/product-17563268.html
I edited and contributed to episode 10 of the Intermittens Magazine (short-lived though technically continuing Discordian periodical): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25217337/Discord%20Books/InterMittens-10-Meatspace.pdf
I edited a collection of assorted writing by Discordians, geared towards a non-Discordian audience: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25217337/Discord%20Books/Intermittens-The-Fail-Whale-Apocalypse-and-Other-Stories.pdf

THIS BIT I really would love some feedback on because I'm not sure about it. The rewards. Either on the rewards themselves or the wording.


A$5+ Reward
Listing on my webpage as a thanks for believing in my project. Discordians; Holy name is OK too.

A$25+ Reward
Name listed on my website as contributor +link to your website. If you can get excited about my creative project, I'd love to help others get excited by yours. (Veto any offensive/explicit material though).

A$50+ Reward
Behind the scenes access on new projects: If you choose this donation, I'll add you into projects in progress through Google Docs, to get sneak peeks at progress on new Creative Commons works (yes, this means you can make derivative works pre-release).

A$75+ Reward
A book! A book!
So, ideally, this is Chasing Eris, but publishing can be a long process, so if it's taking too long and you've got a long plane ride coming up, let me know and I can send you one of my existing fiction pieces instead.

A$100+ Reward
As above with the book, but signed by me with a terrible poem on the inside cover as a tribute to my gratitude.

Looking great! Absolutely!
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 17, 2012, 05:28:28 am
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.

I can pass on a message to St. Mae if you want.

Who's Kassanine? I've never heard of them!

In Portland, I would suggest also interviewing Johnny Brainwash and Danny Chaoflux.

Oooh yes! I'll get onto them.

Kasasanine I read an article interviewing her, linked from this forum even, I think. She's part of the Austistic Self-Advocacy thing in Portland. I stumbled on her profile twice on social networking pages. Now, of course, I can't find her.

Oh, Kassianne! I know her; want me to give her your email addy?

Oh yes please, if shes cool with that. That would be great.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2012, 05:34:36 am
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.

I can pass on a message to St. Mae if you want.

Who's Kassanine? I've never heard of them!

In Portland, I would suggest also interviewing Johnny Brainwash and Danny Chaoflux.

Oooh yes! I'll get onto them.

Kasasanine I read an article interviewing her, linked from this forum even, I think. She's part of the Austistic Self-Advocacy thing in Portland. I stumbled on her profile twice on social networking pages. Now, of course, I can't find her.

Oh, Kassianne! I know her; want me to give her your email addy?

Oh yes please, if shes cool with that. That would be great.

Totally

PM it at me!
Title: Chasing Eris Can Has Kickstarter!
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 19, 2012, 12:44:50 pm
No, it can't has. Kickstarter is for Americans.

BUT it can has Pozible, which I chose because they seem a little more selective than alternatives.

The link is http://pozible.com/eris

In sincerity I'd be really appreciative of anyone willing to help me out with this. I put 1000 as a number because it seemed realistic, and would score me a tablet for interview recording/uploading and a sports camera for where a tablet isn't practical. For both these I'm looking at what will be best and most affordable.

You can't donate until July 23, due to the way I set it up.

Anyway, thanks to Spags who suggested it and everyone who's enthusiasm has helped me continue to suspect that this whole thing is a pretty good idea.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on July 19, 2012, 01:38:10 pm
Remind me on the 23rd, and I'll kick you some cash.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 19, 2012, 02:00:55 pm
 :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 19, 2012, 02:36:11 pm
I'm in, but I hear my work doesn't travel well.   :p
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 19, 2012, 02:44:09 pm
I'm in, but I hear my work doesn't travel well.   :p

Damn yuooo!

But seriously, thank you, that would be great. There seem to be a number of spags in Texas so I'll be down the south for at least part of the journey, as current plans go.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 19, 2012, 02:45:47 pm
I'm in, but I hear my work doesn't travel well.   :p

Damn yuooo!

But seriously, thank you, that would be great. There seem to be a number of spags in Texas so I'll be down the south for at least part of the journey, as current plans go.

Be warned:  It's a long, long way from Texas.  You have to cross New Mexico and half of Southern Arizona to get here, and that's not counting the Texas part of the drive.

Call it a thousand miles...Which is about 50 liters in metric.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 20, 2012, 03:25:16 am
I'm in, but I hear my work doesn't travel well.   :p

Damn yuooo!

But seriously, thank you, that would be great. There seem to be a number of spags in Texas so I'll be down the south for at least part of the journey, as current plans go.

Be warned:  It's a long, long way from Texas.  You have to cross New Mexico and half of Southern Arizona to get here, and that's not counting the Texas part of the drive.

Call it a thousand miles...Which is about 50 liters in metric.

I've done that drive, and I kind of love it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 20, 2012, 03:25:49 am
Oh wait, I got confused. I meant I felt like I might die at any moment.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 20, 2012, 05:22:31 pm
East Texas to central Texas is a fairly interesting drive, once you get past the refinery-stench towns near the Louisiana border. Just be careful of the cops, especially in Fayette county. I guess they still miss the extra income from the Chicken Ranch ("A-haw haw haw haw" - Billy Gibbons) and they've been pulling people with out-of-town plates over for decades and finding excuses to lock them up. Too bad, it's beautiful rolling hills, historic battlegrounds and Victorian houses...but go around it if you can. After San Antonio, everything dies but an occasional mesquite tree. They call it a desert, but it used to be a shortgrass prairie. A bunch of cattlemen ran their cows over it after the Comanches were starved into moving to the rez in OK (mass slaughter of buffalo), so no more topsoil. It looks post-nuclear, with an occasional community of mutant teabaggers hanging in crappy bars.

New Mexico isn't a lot different, but it does have bigass rock formations, tourist kitsch and an occasional lake.

I leave AZ to the residents to describe. There are hints scattered all over this board, but it has to be experienced.  :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 21, 2012, 01:41:56 am
Harassed a travel agent and they suggested sticking to rail and planes.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 21, 2012, 01:52:01 am
Harassed a travel agent and they suggested sticking to rail and planes.

Good call. They might even know about Fayette county.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 21, 2012, 03:08:30 am
Honestly, I did kind of enjoy the drive. AND I felt like I might die at any moment, which might be part of why I enjoyed it.

Seriously, you haven't almost died  lived until you've driven from Austin to Phoenix in a 1968 VW bug.

Unless you've also driven through Wyoming in that same bug and had the wind rip the hood open at 75mph on the freeway.


I can't remember what it was, now, but something also happened in Carlsbad. Oh, I think that the muffler fell off.

You know what's in Carlsbad?

FUCKING NOTHING.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 21, 2012, 03:26:07 am
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Johnny on July 21, 2012, 08:05:01 am

Ok Dingo, sorry for the delay:

AUTHORS PERTAINING LIFE HISTORIES / BIOGRAPHICAL APPROACH:

-Daniel Bertaux
-Vincent Gaulejac
-Alicia Lindon
-Dante Duero
-Carlos Piña
-Alexia Sanz Hernández
-Cristina Santamarina
-Jorge Aceves Lozano

AUTHORS REGARDING OPEN INTERVIEWS

-Alejandro Montes de Oca Villa Toro
-José Bleger
-Horacio Etchegoyen
-Isabel Jaidar
-Margarita Baz

AUTHORS IN REGARD TO QUALITATIVE METHODOLOGY

-Roberto Castro
-Taylor & Bogdan
-Didier Anzieu

Im sorry most of my sources are spanish, but thats what i know, but if you cant get these authors books specifically, just go to a bookstore or library and use the main keywords and it should turn up something in your language.

If you need help in designing your methodology or anything specific, just tell me about it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on July 21, 2012, 10:09:23 pm
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
And the cave's not really worth the boring ass drive through some of the ugliest places in the entire Southwest.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 22, 2012, 01:10:38 am
Wow thanks Nyx. Thats a hell of a list. I'll have a look though.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 22, 2012, 07:25:54 am
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
And the cave's not really worth the boring ass drive through some of the ugliest places in the entire Southwest.

Oh fuck...you actually got stuck going to it somehow??
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 22, 2012, 02:07:53 pm
I got AIM and yahoo chat specifically to chat to Discordians.

AIM: placiddingo

Yahoo: placiddingo@yahoo.com.au

Also midday tomorrow upside down time, Pozible launches. Thats 13 hours. I'll post when it opens. Mostly though, add me on AIM.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 22, 2012, 03:54:50 pm
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
And the cave's not really worth the boring ass drive through some of the ugliest places in the entire Southwest.

Oh fuck...you actually got stuck going to it somehow??

I went to it, too... I thought it was pretty neat, and I loved how the lobby area was stuck in 1976.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Phox on July 22, 2012, 06:54:47 pm
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
And the cave's not really worth the boring ass drive through some of the ugliest places in the entire Southwest.
To be fair, the ugliest places in the southwest are still not Florida or New Jersey.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 22, 2012, 07:12:46 pm
I found the drive starkly beautiful. I love the desert, and even the grimness of those tiny desert towns has its own kind of beauty.

The thing is, the drive is also dangerous. People die out there. Stick to the freeway and you're all good, another traveler will be along soon enough. Steer clear of side roads and always have AAA and plenty of water.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 22, 2012, 09:12:52 pm
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
And the cave's not really worth the boring ass drive through some of the ugliest places in the entire Southwest.

Oh fuck...you actually got stuck going to it somehow??

I went to it, too... I thought it was pretty neat, and I loved how the lobby area was stuck in 1976.

Never took the plunge...1976? "Wood grain" everywhere, with no actual wood in sight? Or just the souveniers, fat little homely plastic guys with their arms spread and "I LOVE YOU THIS MUCH" on the bases?  :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 22, 2012, 10:55:10 pm
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
And the cave's not really worth the boring ass drive through some of the ugliest places in the entire Southwest.

Oh fuck...you actually got stuck going to it somehow??

I went to it, too... I thought it was pretty neat, and I loved how the lobby area was stuck in 1976.

Never took the plunge...1976? "Wood grain" everywhere, with no actual wood in sight? Or just the souveniers, fat little homely plastic guys with their arms spread and "I LOVE YOU THIS MUCH" on the bases?  :lol:

I mean, like this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/442216196_cf18c936e2.jpg)

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 22, 2012, 11:19:55 pm
Thought I'd share some comments from Peterson Silva who I've been communicating with via email. He translated the BIP into Brazilian and I asked him of the impact:

 As for the BIP, you should know it made quite an impact. It literaly divided the Discordian community in Brazil. Some people saw it as missing the point of Principia Discordia; the somewhat vague and kind-ofmeaningless-to-new-generations simbolism isn't a wall, it's necessary; the funny layer wasn't one you could throw away, it's the essence of being a Discordian. Some other people pointed out the fact that these "tactics" for spreading discord were ancient and something like the BIP was needed.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 22, 2012, 11:37:17 pm
Thought I'd share some comments from Peterson Silva who I've been communicating with via email. He translated the BIP into Brazilian and I asked him of the impact:

 As for the BIP, you should know it made quite an impact. It literaly divided the Discordian community in Brazil. Some people saw it as missing the point of Principia Discordia; the somewhat vague and kind-ofmeaningless-to-new-generations simbolism isn't a wall, it's necessary; the funny layer wasn't one you could throw away, it's the essence of being a Discordian. Some other people pointed out the fact that these "tactics" for spreading discord were ancient and something like the BIP was needed.

That is super cool!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 23, 2012, 12:01:50 am
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.

COME VISIT OUR HOLE IN THE GROUND.  IT'S REALLY DEEP.  IT'S A HOLE.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 23, 2012, 01:30:48 am
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.
And the cave's not really worth the boring ass drive through some of the ugliest places in the entire Southwest.

Oh fuck...you actually got stuck going to it somehow??

I went to it, too... I thought it was pretty neat, and I loved how the lobby area was stuck in 1976.

Never took the plunge...1976? "Wood grain" everywhere, with no actual wood in sight? Or just the souveniers, fat little homely plastic guys with their arms spread and "I LOVE YOU THIS MUCH" on the bases?  :lol:

I mean, like this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/442216196_cf18c936e2.jpg)

 :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:

It's like congealed Captain and Teneille.

Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.

COME VISIT OUR HOLE IN THE GROUND.  IT'S REALLY DEEP.  IT'S A HOLE.

BRING THE KIDS. IT'S EDUCATIONAL. THEY CAN LEARN ABOUT THE HOLE.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris Can Has Kickstarter!
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 23, 2012, 02:29:25 am
No, it can't has. Kickstarter is for Americans.

BUT it can has Pozible, which I chose because they seem a little more selective than alternatives.

The link is http://pozible.com/eris

In sincerity I'd be really appreciative of anyone willing to help me out with this. I put 1000 as a number because it seemed realistic, and would score me a tablet for interview recording/uploading and a sports camera for where a tablet isn't practical. For both these I'm looking at what will be best and most affordable.

You can't donate until July 23, due to the way I set it up.

Anyway, thanks to Spags who suggested it and everyone who's enthusiasm has helped me continue to suspect that this whole thing is a pretty good idea.

Reminder; above link is live in 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 23, 2012, 03:03:03 am
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.

COME VISIT OUR HOLE IN THE GROUND.  IT'S REALLY DEEP.  IT'S A HOLE.

It was pretty damn impressive, if you like caves.

I like caves.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 23, 2012, 01:54:58 pm
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.

COME VISIT OUR HOLE IN THE GROUND.  IT'S REALLY DEEP.  IT'S A HOLE.

It was pretty damn impressive, if you like caves.

I like caves.

COME VISIT OUR PRETTY DAMN IMPRESSIVE HOLE IN THE GROUND.

Yeah, that has a ring to it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 25, 2012, 10:52:21 am
I'd like to start collecting stories of how people discovered Discordianism, and whatever happened after. If anyone's happy for me to throw a few questions around ITT or via PM, yell out.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 12:52:44 pm
I know there are at least three threads which cover that. Probably in this very subforum, even.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 25, 2012, 01:28:13 pm
I know there are at least three threads which cover that. Probably in this very subforum, even.

There are, true true. I'm planning to mine some of those too, provided there's nothing anyone object to me using.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 01:34:47 pm
Well, you'd probably want to ask follow up questions, so you can ask permission to use the posts at that point.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 25, 2012, 01:39:35 pm
Well, you'd probably want to ask follow up questions, so you can ask permission to use the posts at that point.

I'm glad one of us is doing the thinking tonight, because clearly it's not me. Ta.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: EK WAFFLR on July 25, 2012, 03:36:31 pm
I'm looking forward to this!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 26, 2012, 12:43:31 pm
Ta Waffle.

I had a donation from I name I don't recognise, but whoever that is THANK YOU.

Also, in my Brazilian investigationing (I actually just emailed the guy that may have introduced Discordia to Brazil) I came across a Portuguese language Discordia forum;

http://fnord.forumotion.com/forum
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on July 26, 2012, 01:21:16 pm
Oh yeah, I said I'd donate when the page is running. BRB.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 26, 2012, 01:45:24 pm
Thanks.

I've also discovered the internal mailing system on Pozible so I won't spag up this thread with more "thank you person I dont recognise name of" messages.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on July 26, 2012, 01:56:39 pm
You may want to continue doing that, to keep the thread alive and reminding people of the project.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 26, 2012, 01:59:53 pm
You may want to continue doing that, to keep the thread alive and reminding people of the project.

True that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 29, 2012, 06:08:41 am
Bit of an update.

Getting some good content. I've held some fairly detailed talks with St Mae, Professor Cramulus and a guy called Gavriel Discordia who's involved in Occupy and runs the Discordia Culture Shop (see also the library thread).

Pozible's hit $85 which isn't exactly enough to retire on, but I 'm getting a hone call from someone in the company on Wednesday who I assume is going to run me through some ways to be a bit more effective in the promotion of what I'm doing.

Sending some more messages to gather how people came into Discordia and where they went from there.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 29, 2012, 01:35:56 pm
Also; Legally, where do I stand with quoting other people's work? I've never worked in Non-Fiction. I'm talking about quotes from interviews etc. This here was really great and I'd love to use Kerry's words but don't know what the rules are...

Quote
We were in the middle of a very serious, heated discussion. I remember Hill saying
something about Einstein and randomness--oh, and the physicist with his undead
cat and the law of uncertainty. Somehow Hill linked all that to King Solomon cutting a baby in half and it got somebody pissed. Then out of the blue Thornley started laughing and laughing, like he was literally going to laugh himself to death. He and Hill used to
laugh a lot when we were young.

Then he said, "This, all of this? Everything we talk about, everything we do?
Everything anybody does. A hundred, a thousand, a billion years from now, none
of this will matter. Nothing we do here will make a damn bit of difference."

Then he got very serious. "But it matters now, damn it," he said. "It matters now."
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 29, 2012, 01:49:02 pm
kerrythornley.com again; I'm just sharing some wonderful quotes; I'm finding I identify a lot deeper with Hill than Thornley, even though he's so elusive.
The following comes from a conversation 'if the early Discordians were Gods, what would they be?'
Quote
I picked Hill as Ganesha, the elephant-headed god over science, writing, and
wisdom. Hill was like the elephant, the one the blind men felt in the old Hindu story.
They all felt a different part, the one touching the leg felt a tree stump, the one
whose hand reached the trunk felt a snake, the one touching the tusk felt a spear,
etc. They all thought they knew what they had, but none of them really knew the
elephant.

Hill was quiet for a moment. Then he asked, "Does the elephant know himself?" 
No, it was "Can the elephant know himself?" I didn't know how to answer that. But
the question made a deep impression on Hill.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 29, 2012, 02:13:45 pm
Another quote from Thornly, this time from Sondra London's work with him. Posting becasue it's relevant to current BIP2 Project.

Quote
"Nothing is truer than the saying that the highway to hell is paved with good intentions. If nearly half the world is not to continue starving to death, then ethics has to be geared to what will actually change the present situation. What will work, what will feed people has to be the standard of morality -- not what seems fair in the eyes of spoiled intellectuals who've never been outside the United States. Like the poet Robinson Jeffers says, this country has a national introversion complex. So does Japan. Neither country really believes the outside world exists. People watch a newsreel or read something in the papers, but subconsciously it is only entertainment to them."
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 03, 2012, 02:27:32 pm
Been contacted by the head honcho of Kerry Thornley.com who is keen to be involved.

Is there anyone on here with a blag who'd be happy to do a quick interview with me that I can use to generate a bit of buzz?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on August 03, 2012, 02:28:30 pm
I'd suggest hitting up Cramulous on FB; I think he might have an active blog.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 03, 2012, 02:55:05 pm
Yeah I'm gonna hit him up, plus a few other people I know of. I'm just trying to spread everything as far as possible.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: the last yatto on August 04, 2012, 07:42:57 am
http://23ae.com/2012/08/reasons-to-go-discordian-part-2/ :fnord:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on August 04, 2012, 08:52:39 am
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.

COME VISIT OUR HOLE IN THE GROUND.  IT'S REALLY DEEP.  IT'S A HOLE.

It was pretty damn impressive, if you like caves.

I like caves.

COME VISIT OUR PRETTY DAMN IMPRESSIVE HOLE IN THE GROUND.

Yeah, that has a ring to it.
The cave part was cool (lemme alone, my old man and maternal grandpa are geologists), but we have awesome caves here in California in much prettier areas (like Murphy's caverns in Sanora, which is fucking amazing).
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 04, 2012, 10:15:46 am
Another quote from Thornly, this time from Sondra London's work with him. Posting becasue it's relevant to current BIP2 Project.

Quote
"Nothing is truer than the saying that the highway to hell is paved with good intentions. If nearly half the world is not to continue starving to death, then ethics has to be geared to what will actually change the present situation. What will work, what will feed people has to be the standard of morality -- not what seems fair in the eyes of spoiled intellectuals who've never been outside the United States. Like the poet Robinson Jeffers says, this country has a national introversion complex. So does Japan. Neither country really believes the outside world exists. People watch a newsreel or read something in the papers, but subconsciously it is only entertainment to them."

That's awesome. Don't change your mind, don't cut it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 04, 2012, 03:07:28 pm
Another quote from Thornly, this time from Sondra London's work with him. Posting becasue it's relevant to current BIP2 Project.

Quote
"Nothing is truer than the saying that the highway to hell is paved with good intentions. If nearly half the world is not to continue starving to death, then ethics has to be geared to what will actually change the present situation. What will work, what will feed people has to be the standard of morality -- not what seems fair in the eyes of spoiled intellectuals who've never been outside the United States. Like the poet Robinson Jeffers says, this country has a national introversion complex. So does Japan. Neither country really believes the outside world exists. People watch a newsreel or read something in the papers, but subconsciously it is only entertainment to them."

That's awesome. Don't change your mind, don't cut it.

I'll talk to Sondra about it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on August 04, 2012, 05:33:17 pm
That's a damned good, and important, quote.  It probably should go to the newsfeed, if it fits.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 04, 2012, 06:23:57 pm
Yeah, I think their main attraction is a cave.

COME VISIT OUR HOLE IN THE GROUND.  IT'S REALLY DEEP.  IT'S A HOLE.

It was pretty damn impressive, if you like caves.

I like caves.

COME VISIT OUR PRETTY DAMN IMPRESSIVE HOLE IN THE GROUND.

Yeah, that has a ring to it.
The cave part was cool (lemme alone, my old man and maternal grandpa are geologists), but we have awesome caves here in California in much prettier areas (like Murphy's caverns in Sanora, which is fucking amazing).

I've been there. It's beautiful, but it's different.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 05, 2012, 06:11:19 am
I'm actually getting closer to finding the street that Greg and Kerry lived on. On a Current Affair they mention Napolean St. It seems to have been renamed since then, I don't know if anyone knows how I can find it?

Also THIS  (http://www.nomenu.com/joomla1/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1145:castillos&catid=55:extinct-restaurants&Itemid=263)was one location that Kerry claims to have met 'Brother in Law'.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 05, 2012, 07:30:45 am
I'm working on this

Progress to date:
Identifying areas for travel relevant to the original Discordians. (New Orleans, Santa Cruz, North California)

Started interviews online with figures such as
St Mae (Discordian.com, Kallisticon)
Sondra London (Confession to Conspiracy to Assassinate JFK by Kerry Thornley as told to Sondra London)
Professor Cramulus (Major involvement in Intermittens, Chao Te Ching, GASM conceptualist)
Peterson Silva (Translated Black Iron Prison into Portuguese, contributor to Discordia Brazilis and Contos Discordianos)
Gavriel Discordia (Discordian Culture Shop, Discordian Library)
Timothy Bowen (alunaticpope.com, Jonesboria Discordia, Voices of Chaos)

Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/ChasingEris) 71 Connections.

Pozible (pozible.com/eris) 8.5% Funded.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on August 05, 2012, 08:49:28 am
NorCal? I thought they did it in a bowling alley in LA. Which is, you know, Southern California.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on August 05, 2012, 09:04:29 am
Specifically, Whitter.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 05, 2012, 02:16:45 pm
NorCal? I thought they did it in a bowling alley in LA. Which is, you know, Southern California.

Right at the moment I'm working off this interview HERE (http://www.kerrythornley.com/interviews/marshall_hilde/richardmarshall1/rm1a.html)

Quote
HILDE: You mentioned the Bay area--I thought Discordianism began in Whittier,
which is in Southern California.

MARSHALL: It was the Bay Area, northern California.

HILDE: I believe both Hill and Thornley said it began in a bowling alley in Whittier.

MARSHALL: They both lied a lot.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 05, 2012, 06:41:36 pm
NorCal? I thought they did it in a bowling alley in LA. Which is, you know, Southern California.

Right at the moment I'm working off this interview HERE (http://www.kerrythornley.com/interviews/marshall_hilde/richardmarshall1/rm1a.html)

Quote
HILDE: You mentioned the Bay area--I thought Discordianism began in Whittier,
which is in Southern California.

MARSHALL: It was the Bay Area, northern California.

HILDE: I believe both Hill and Thornley said it began in a bowling alley in Whittier.

MARSHALL: They both lied a lot.

I always heard that it was the Bay area, and in fact once had the actual (alleged) bowling alley pointed out to me. This was around 1994. Discordianism was a big thing among Bay area computer geeks. I have a vague memory of a house on a street that was not very far from my street in Oakland being somehow significant or relevant. All I remember about it was that it was a Victorian style with a black wrought iron fence.

I didn't really care at the time, so I wasn't really paying attention.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 05, 2012, 06:42:22 pm
There was also a significant laundromat, perhaps in Berkeley.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on August 05, 2012, 07:09:41 pm
Huh. Interesting. Thanks, Dingo. :)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: the last yatto on August 07, 2012, 05:07:10 am
My godmother told me a story how she meet Wilson at brushwood, for two days they had good conversations and on the third she just happen to have clothes on and thus he ignored her, even after calling his name, nickname and full name... so she slapped em
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 07, 2012, 07:58:27 am
Some buzz;

From Enki: http://t.co/4LcoLZpw?uid=15298179&iid=am-193306946213441826988428189&nid=4+252

Wikinews: http://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_interviews_Brenton_Clutterbuck
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Johnny on August 07, 2012, 08:21:24 am

Are you gonna make the transcripts of the interviews available? Because id like to take a shot at analysing the uncut material.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 07, 2012, 09:48:58 am

Are you gonna make the transcripts of the interviews available? Because id like to take a shot at analysing the uncut material.

That hadn't originally been my plan. I'll check in with some of the folk in in communication with and see if they're ok with that, as I hadn't checked in to see if that was OK before we started talks.

Filmed interviews, I'd like to make availible online wherever I get the OK.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Johnny on August 08, 2012, 04:09:33 am

Well i hope its ok, well have to wait and see then, but i think it would be awesome, because like, in an end product that has ommissions or is trimmed for editorial purposes, a lot of richness is lost, and its a very subjective thing to select what is "important".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 08, 2012, 08:15:06 am
Interview; http://twosidesof1coin.tumblr.com/tagged/Chasing-Eris
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 21, 2012, 03:00:20 pm
Current proposed plan

New York - Cram+ New England mob
Louisiana - NO / Historical visit to French Quarter
Austin Texas - Communial house with Discordians
Tuscon AZ- Roger
Tennessee - Sondra London, Possibly Gavrial Discordia (Discordian Culture shop)
Calfornia - St Mae + Historical Visit, possibly 'Eris' of the chaos cabaret mandelbrot consciousness collective.
Portland, Oregon - Portland crew.

Brazil - Floranopolis - 2 Discordians
Sao Paulo and Rio De Janero have communities but I haven't been in contact.

-Break-

France (Free accomodation with friend, serves as HQ)

Finland (group of LARPing Erisians)
Norway (Lenin, Waffle)
UK - Payne, Pixie. Not sure who else.
Netherlands - Trip.

Fin.

Any tohughts, suggestions? Am I missing an opportunity to see anyone? Any advice on timing? I was thinking March.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on August 21, 2012, 06:56:24 pm
History has shown I probably won't have a chance go to NY with the Principality, unless of course you come up to Boston and I buy you lunch and alcohol.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 22, 2012, 02:05:00 am
History has shown I probably won't have a chance go to NY with the Principality, unless of course you come up to Boston and I buy you lunch and alcohol.

Ok lets assume I start in Boston then... I'll start looking into flight info.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mistre on August 22, 2012, 03:35:15 pm
I live in Rio, if you want to give me a visit. Don't personally know any discordians located here besides me, though.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 23, 2012, 09:05:10 am
I live in Rio, if you want to give me a visit. Don't personally know any discordians located here besides me, though.

Awesome! Consider it a done thing, I was planning to go to Rio anyways.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 23, 2012, 09:06:05 am
AMERISPAGS: Assuiming I can't get a car (pretty safe assumption) what's the best way to travel state to state. Remember I'm on a budget.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: CorbeauEtRenard on August 23, 2012, 09:39:12 am
Going by bus is an option, but in a lot of places, the bus stations are really, um, not somewhere you want to be or possess valuables in. A friend of mine took the bus from college up to where I am a few times, and apparently absolutely absurd amounts of stuff gets stolen from the Dallas/Ft. Worth station he had to wait at each time.

So in other words, it's an option, but I wouldn't recommend it if you have any others.

Not sure it's much help, but I'm not well versed in travelling to states that don't share a border with the one I live in, so it's the best I've got on that subject.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 23, 2012, 12:17:45 pm
Going by bus is an option, but in a lot of places, the bus stations are really, um, not somewhere you want to be or possess valuables in. A friend of mine took the bus from college up to where I am a few times, and apparently absolutely absurd amounts of stuff gets stolen from the Dallas/Ft. Worth station he had to wait at each time.

So in other words, it's an option, but I wouldn't recommend it if you have any others.

Not sure it's much help, but I'm not well versed in travelling to states that don't share a border with the one I live in, so it's the best I've got on that subject.

I'll look into that.

I'll have some kind of Tablet with me which CANNOT be stolen, it will be my interview gear. I'll look into busses etc.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on August 23, 2012, 01:02:40 pm
The cheapest is indeed bus.  Trains, as it turns out, are only slightly less expensive than flying.  Forget renting a car.

You could also try the charity route, and have discordians from one state/town drive you to meet discordians in another state/town, and so on.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Johnny on August 23, 2012, 01:35:12 pm
make an online backup of your info, cant solely rely on not losing a tablet
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 23, 2012, 01:37:57 pm
make an online backup of your info, cant solely rely on not losing a tablet

I intend to back up any time I have wireless access, plus use SD cards but still, it's still an expensive, useful thing to lose.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 23, 2012, 01:42:02 pm
The cheapest is indeed bus.  Trains, as it turns out, are only slightly less expensive than flying.  Forget renting a car.

You could also try the charity route, and have discordians from one state/town drive you to meet discordians in another state/town, and so on.

Alright, nice. I'll start sorting pragmatics soon. I'll get my travel guy to tell me if there's any good bus pass options etc. Greyhound Discovery pass could be good. About 550 for two months travel.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 24, 2012, 10:07:13 pm
Just travel light. The more of your stuff you can keep on you, the less likely it is to get stolen. Bus stations have way more security than they used to, but they're still scummy.
If you're going from NO to Austin, you'll probably have a layover on Houston. Houston is the only bus station in Texas with a checkpoint, if you have a pocketknife or something, they'll take it away because, well, Houston sucks.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 24, 2012, 11:44:25 pm
ta.

I'm doing my research right now on Brazil too.

Under the impression I should mail my tablet back possibly before travel there. Unsure.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Johnny on August 25, 2012, 12:32:15 am

theres digital audio recorders that are smaller than an 8 bit nintendo controller with high fidelity, that would cost you about $85 USD.

I have a Panasonic RR-US550 that has proven to me its field reliability, in the sense of data capacity, and its audio fidelity that made recording indoors and outdoors with a lot of noise and distortion not a disablement of the use of the audio for transcription.

One rarely has the chance to have interviews in audio-proof enviroments and without the proper equipment some interviews can go directly into the trash bin.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 26, 2012, 02:35:19 am

theres digital audio recorders that are smaller than an 8 bit nintendo controller with high fidelity, that would cost you about $85 USD.

I have a Panasonic RR-US550 that has proven to me its field reliability, in the sense of data capacity, and its audio fidelity that made recording indoors and outdoors with a lot of noise and distortion not a disablement of the use of the audio for transcription.

One rarely has the chance to have interviews in audio-proof enviroments and without the proper equipment some interviews can go directly into the trash bin.

I'll check this out.
Title: ATTN: PEOPLE MEETING WITH ME FOR C.E
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 26, 2012, 02:14:19 pm
Please click on the following link and request to join the group; this is an 'inner circle' group of people who have indicated that they would like to be directly involved in the Chasing Eris project.

This group is going to be used to plan travel and organize events. If you don't have Facebook, no problem, let me know and I'll set you up with another way to keep in the loop.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/348818361870069/

Brenton.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 29, 2012, 01:37:09 pm
I'm going to PM that link to all the slackers who haven't connected up yet  :argh!:

Also I'm starting to think that there needs to be some kind of pass the parcel - Discordian pass along, something going on. Something I can bring to each person I meet with, take something and leave something, similar to the art shirt idea. Any takers?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on August 29, 2012, 01:52:14 pm
Sounds like a plan.  How about a Frost Heaves CD, or a copy of the CTC?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 29, 2012, 02:02:58 pm
That sounds great. I'm meeting with Dr Jon Swabey in a bit under a month, so I might forewarn him of my intentions, give him something cool of mine and hopefully score something exciting to pass along to the next person I arrange to meet up with, and do a continuous Erisian trade.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 29, 2012, 02:04:26 pm
ALSO if you've already joined the group but I've failed to connect the name to the handle, sorry for spagging your inbox.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 30, 2012, 01:40:12 pm
In the Discordia in Portuguese group, one guy got a comment deleted and cracked the shits, leading to in-group sniping, 'dont argue in front of the noob', and 'I quit, nice tantrum princess'.

It's nice to know Discordians gonna Discord, no matter where you go.

Edit; Spelling, quotation marks.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 30, 2012, 01:47:18 pm
dont argue in front of the noob,

:crankey:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 30, 2012, 10:56:01 pm
dont argue in front of the noob,

:crankey:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/Stella01904/smilies/thICOMEFORYOURNOOBS.jpg)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on August 31, 2012, 08:04:29 pm
Just pledged a few Norwegian kroner. I'm excited about this project!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 31, 2012, 11:44:53 pm
Oh thank you!

You in fact have the honor of tipping me over the 1/4 mark!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: the last yatto on September 01, 2012, 04:01:33 am
If you make it to portland, I can pick yah up there, show yah port townsend and put you to seatac or greyhound in olympia. Asked to join the failbook group
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 01, 2012, 05:12:25 am
Cheers Yatto.

Portland will be the last location at this stage.

From Portland, where do I need to go to fly to Brazil?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 02, 2012, 06:30:59 am
I'm going to PM that link to all the slackers who haven't connected up yet  :argh!:

Also I'm starting to think that there needs to be some kind of pass the parcel - Discordian pass along, something going on. Something I can bring to each person I meet with, take something and leave something, similar to the art shirt idea. Any takers?

Also I've worked out a name for this process;

PAY IT FNORD.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 02, 2012, 06:45:07 am
Release mockup

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Brenton Clutterbuck
Email: brenton.clutterbuck@gmail.com

BRISBANE DISCORDIANS WANTED

As part of a project documenting the contemporary face of Discordianism, an obscure semi-serious parody religion that came out of the counterculture of the United States in the 50s and 60s, the author is seeking Discordians, to discuss with in Brisbane between September 22 and September 29.

Those interested can contact the author at brenton.clutterbuck@gmail.com

# # #
Title: Portland?
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 07, 2012, 12:31:05 pm
So I only just noticed theres two Portlands in America.

Which one is full of Discordians?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on September 07, 2012, 12:57:32 pm
Most likely the one on the West Coast.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on September 07, 2012, 01:30:48 pm
Portland Jr., on the left coast, has all of the PD.COM Discordians, though Portland Sr., here in Maine, does have some Discordians as well, they just don't seem to,have much of an online presence. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on September 07, 2012, 01:31:55 pm
I'm about 40 miles out of this Portland, and there is another spag who used to be online here that is in the vicinity of Portland Sr, but I haven't spoken to him in years.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 07, 2012, 02:38:59 pm
There are two Portlands.

There are about 50 Providences.

There's only one Tucson.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 07, 2012, 03:16:08 pm
Awesome! That works out well.

I have four Discordians in Brisbane that I'm hoping to meet with, including Dr Jon.
Title: Re: Portland?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 07, 2012, 03:39:29 pm
So I only just noticed theres two Portlands in America.

Which one is full of Discordians?

I think you are looking for Portland, Oregon. You would be sorely disappointed if you ended up in Portland, Maine!  :lulz:
Title: Re: Portland?
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 07, 2012, 03:42:59 pm
So I only just noticed theres two Portlands in America.

Which one is full of Discordians?

I think you are looking for Portland, Oregon. You would be sorely disappointed if you ended up in Portland, Maine!  :lulz:

I was gunning for Oregon, but then I looked at a map and was like 'hey, am I actually meant to be on the OTHER SIDE OF THE THE COUNTRY?'
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on September 07, 2012, 03:47:48 pm
Eh, Portland, Maine is a good town.  Obviously it doesn't suit your specific aims, but in general, Portland, Me would be a good place to visit.  It definitely, IMO, has a unique culture. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 07, 2012, 03:58:04 pm
Eh, Portland, Maine is a good town.  Obviously it doesn't suit your specific aims, but in general, Portland, Me would be a good place to visit.  It definitely, IMO, has a unique culture.

Rev, since I'm off to NY anyway, I'm actually planning to pop into Maine. I should get some indication of how to go about things in a week or two regarding flights.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on September 07, 2012, 04:07:08 pm
Check your distances.  One does not simple "pop into" TRONE.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 07, 2012, 04:23:03 pm
Check your distances.  One does not simple "pop into" TRONE.

True.

I should be able to spend 5 days at each location without getting kicked out of America (longer than that means overstaying Visa which is NOT an awesome idea.) But I'm assuming there shouldn't be any distance that needs over a day travel.

The biggest jump is between Austin and Tuscon. Unless Austin falls through in which case it's (gulp) New Orleans to Tuscon.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on September 07, 2012, 04:31:04 pm
There's a bit of culture shock for you.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 07, 2012, 04:33:14 pm
Check your distances.  One does not simple "pop into" TRONE.

True.

I should be able to spend 5 days at each location without getting kicked out of America (longer than that means overstaying Visa which is NOT an awesome idea.) But I'm assuming there shouldn't be any distance that needs over a day travel.

The biggest jump is between Austin and Tuscon. Unless Austin falls through in which case it's (gulp) New Orleans to Tuscon.

Which means you go through Houston's airport.  If that happens, let me know in advance, and I can offer you some potentially life-saving advice.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 07, 2012, 04:37:30 pm
Oh, thank you.

I'm mostly looking at bus options, but at this stage, all possibilities stand.

And life saving advice is, naturally, always appreciated.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on September 07, 2012, 04:37:41 pm
Check your distances.  One does not simple "pop into" TRONE.


True, I'm pretty sure Lepage has outlawed "popping into" anything.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 07, 2012, 04:38:15 pm
Oh, thank you.

I'm mostly looking at bus options, but at this stage, all possibilities stand.

And life saving advice is, naturally, always appreciated.

BUS?   :eek:

AND HE WAS NEVER SEEN AGAIN!   :cry:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 09, 2012, 04:52:21 am
Oh, thank you.

I'm mostly looking at bus options, but at this stage, all possibilities stand.

And life saving advice is, naturally, always appreciated.

BUS?   :eek:

AND HE WAS NEVER SEEN AGAIN!   :cry:

Alternate busses and planes?

I'm trying to balance not going broke with not being skinned and left to be eaten by coyotes.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on September 09, 2012, 05:38:20 am
Don't fly into Fresno, if you're going to drop by. The airport here is fucking expensive.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 23, 2012, 11:01:05 pm
Did a bit of an interview with Dr Jon. meeting two more Brisbane Discordians today.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 25, 2012, 12:43:13 am
Met with a chaote involved in Anarchist politics and Billboard Liberation Front.

And a chilled out Taoist dude.  Subject 4 today.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 26, 2012, 12:18:44 am
Met two IT Discordians. They asked about the progress of Lollercaust, and one of them told me he had copies of Intermittens that he kept in his bathroom. We discussed what fundamentalist discordianism would look like, the relationship between subgenius and discordian philosophy and why Discordia is like a seat full of bees.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 26, 2012, 01:34:19 am
We discussed what fundamentalist discordianism would look like,

"I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND NEITHER DO YOU!"

the relationship between subgenius and discordian philosophy

The essential message of both is "think for yourself, and get some cheap laughs".


and why Discordia is like a seat full of bees.

People that think for themselves - especially in an age of bad signal - are going to argue about EVERYTHING.  That is something that people have to accept if they want anything more advanced than cookies & pie.

Just curious:  How close was I to what you guys came up with?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on September 26, 2012, 01:51:32 am
What are IT Discordians?  Discordians who like to play tag?  Discordians who work for Best Buy? 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 26, 2012, 02:00:39 am
What are IT Discordians?  Discordians who like to play tag?  Discordians who work for Best Buy?

(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30400000/Pennywise-stephen-kings-it-30481012-1024-768.jpg)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 26, 2012, 02:46:14 am
I cant see that image.

IT as in information technology.

The pair i spoke to had (surprise!) Differing views on Subgenii vs Discordia. The Subgenii present told me he was Subgenius when angry, but Discordian when he calmed down.

Seat of bees was to do with an actual seat of bees they saw that morning, and was to do with embracing intellegent rational responses to the world around you rather than being scared; embrace the unanticipated through laughter, not fear.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 26, 2012, 03:22:49 am

IT as in information technology.


Wait.  Discordians are defining themselves by their day jobs now?

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 26, 2012, 06:25:38 am

IT as in information technology.


Wait.  Discordians are defining themselves by their day jobs now?

No, it was just another bit of information about those pair.

Anyway, Simon and Peter.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on September 27, 2012, 02:34:13 am
Had an extremely valuable chat last night at 1am, to Adam Gorightly about the history of Discordia.

theres some great stuff from him and Suzy the Floozy here; http://archive.efforums.net/images/stories/audio/mp3/2012/DiscordianismSubgenius.mp3

Recording from DragonCon.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 27, 2012, 04:08:50 am
Had an extremely valuable chat last night at 1am, to Adam Gorightly about the history of Discordia.

theres some great stuff from him and Suzy the Floozy here; http://archive.efforums.net/images/stories/audio/mp3/2012/DiscordianismSubgenius.mp3

Recording from DragonCon.

Susie has been one of my favorite people for 15 years.  I still talk to her at Scrubgenius.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on September 27, 2012, 10:52:39 am
I cant see that image.

IT as in information technology.

The pair i spoke to had (surprise!) Differing views on Subgenii vs Discordia. The Subgenii present told me he was Subgenius when angry, but Discordian when he calmed down.

Seat of bees was to do with an actual seat of bees they saw that morning, and was to do with embracing intellegent rational responses to the world around you rather than being scared; embrace the unanticipated through laughter, not fear.


I embrace the unanticipated with song and dance,


That's usually when the unanticipated turn around and jab me with their elbows.


The unanticipated don't enjoy surprise showtunes.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 01, 2012, 04:20:08 am
Http://www.twitter.com/ChasingEris
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 01, 2012, 01:08:54 pm
Ah! Thank you!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 01:25:45 pm
If youre going to bus it from boston to nyc or vice versa opt for greyhound. Fung wah is cheaper but is notorious for catching on fire and/or abandoning its passengers in connecticut.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 02, 2012, 01:48:44 am
Twid, Rog, Garbo, appreciate the travel advice.

It looks like Austin is off the table after all.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 02:14:57 am
Twid, Rog, Garbo, appreciate the travel advice.

It looks like Austin is off the table after all.

If you fly into Logan and then bus it from Boston to NYC, I throw in for some, if not all of the bus fare.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 02, 2012, 03:18:45 am
Twid, Rog, Garbo, appreciate the travel advice.

It looks like Austin is off the table after all.

If you fly into Logan and then bus it from Boston to NYC, I throw in for some, if not all of the bus fare.

Twid thank you so much. When I'm finally on the road, other than accepting a couch from those who have one spare, I'd like to pay for myself as much as possible, budgeting into the trip an ability to shout a meal or drink for my subjects. I'm aware that without the participation of others this project is nothing, so I'd like to act with gratitude.

If you'd like to help out though, what I'd honestly appreciate is five or ten dollars to my crowdsourcer (http://Pozible.com/Eris) and a share on Facebook. That would make my day.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 03:35:51 am
Twid, Rog, Garbo, appreciate the travel advice.

It looks like Austin is off the table after all.

If you fly into Logan and then bus it from Boston to NYC, I throw in for some, if not all of the bus fare.

Twid thank you so much. When I'm finally on the road, other than accepting a couch from those who have one spare, I'd like to pay for myself as much as possible, budgeting into the trip an ability to shout a meal or drink for my subjects. I'm aware that without the participation of others this project is nothing, so I'd like to act with gratitude.

If you'd like to help out though, what I'd honestly appreciate is five or ten dollars to my crowdsourcer (http://Pozible.com/Eris) and a share on Facebook. That would make my day.

I will be able to on Thursday.


Eitherway, I'm still going to chip in for whatever transport and get you at least one meal and one beer (I said beer, btw, not crap. Good stuff.)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 03:37:50 am
Twid, Rog, Garbo, appreciate the travel advice.

It looks like Austin is off the table after all.

If you fly into Logan and then bus it from Boston to NYC, I throw in for some, if not all of the bus fare.

Twid thank you so much. When I'm finally on the road, other than accepting a couch from those who have one spare, I'd like to pay for myself as much as possible, budgeting into the trip an ability to shout a meal or drink for my subjects. I'm aware that without the participation of others this project is nothing, so I'd like to act with gratitude.

If you'd like to help out though, what I'd honestly appreciate is five or ten dollars to my crowdsourcer (http://Pozible.com/Eris) and a share on Facebook. That would make my day.

Also, bollocks to that. I can't guarantee you a free ride in New England, but you'll get a "here you go, dude" Here and there.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 02, 2012, 08:49:50 am
Thank you
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Miley Spears on October 04, 2012, 08:02:05 pm
Quote from:  link=topic=32728.msg1186978#msg1186978 date=1341182853

I keep hearing about how many Discordians are in Brazil, so that would be really great. I was going to see if I could make contact with the blogger who's apparently a big Discordian figure.

Brazil has a best butt contest where women show their butts behind a table like DaVinci's The Last Supper. Maybe that's why there's so many Discordians there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MzGXPMdQs
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Miley Spears on October 04, 2012, 08:08:30 pm
The interview book is an awesome idea! I haven't done anything cept write a few Discordian things for Uncyclopedia and other wikis so you wouldn't want to talk to me. I don't think my rents would like me having some strange man show up for a sleepover anyway.  :aaa:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 05, 2012, 04:47:08 am
WOW.

I Just looked at the German forum that contacted me. They managed to track down my FB, Twitter, old blog, Reddit, Wikipedia user page, Venusian Arts troll account, youtube, Last.fm, Plenty of Fish, Deviant Art, Nanowrimo and Email address.

While I'm sure that their intentions are noble (as far as Discordians go) I'm suddenly very glad I lie a lot on the Internet. 
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Sano on October 05, 2012, 05:10:55 am
Quote from:  link=topic=32728.msg1186978#msg1186978 date=1341182853

I keep hearing about how many Discordians are in Brazil, so that would be really great. I was going to see if I could make contact with the blogger who's apparently a big Discordian figure.

Brazil has a best butt contest where women show their butts behind a table like DaVinci's The Last Supper. Maybe that's why there's so many Discordians there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MzGXPMdQs

Wow, wasn't even aware that that was a thing.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on October 05, 2012, 12:40:53 pm
Quote from:  link=topic=32728.msg1213796#msg1213796 date=1349408828
WOW.

I Just looked at the German forum that contacted me. They managed to track down my FB, Twitter, old blog, Reddit, Wikipedia user page, Venusian Arts troll account, youtube, Last.fm, Plenty of Fish, Deviant Art, Nanowrimo and Email address.

While I'm sure that their intentions are noble (as far as Discordians go) I'm suddenly very glad I lie a lot on the Internet.

German Discordians: They make sure the trolls run on time.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2012, 12:56:00 pm
Quote from:  link=topic=32728.msg1213796#msg1213796 date=1349408828
WOW.

I Just looked at the German forum that contacted me. They managed to track down my FB, Twitter, old blog, Reddit, Wikipedia user page, Venusian Arts troll account, youtube, Last.fm, Plenty of Fish, Deviant Art, Nanowrimo and Email address.

While I'm sure that their intentions are noble (as far as Discordians go) I'm suddenly very glad I lie a lot on the Internet.

German Discordians: They make sure the trolls run on time.

Are we talking the YBC, here?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 05, 2012, 01:00:31 pm
Aktion 23, they're called.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2012, 01:03:01 pm
Aktion 23, they're called.

Unless they changed their name when PTJ and EvT got overthrown, I have no idea who they are.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 05, 2012, 06:03:53 pm
Quote from:  link=topic=32728.msg1186978#msg1186978 date=1341182853

I keep hearing about how many Discordians are in Brazil, so that would be really great. I was going to see if I could make contact with the blogger who's apparently a big Discordian figure.

Brazil has a best butt contest where women show their butts behind a table like DaVinci's The Last Supper. Maybe that's why there's so many Discordians there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MzGXPMdQs

They used to have something like that outside of Weimar, Texas. It was men and women, though, they stood behind plywood with a toilet seat hung on it and the emcee raised the lid to reveal each ass.

It was a horror show of zits, cellulite, droopy nuts and carbuncles.
There is really, REALLY nothing to do in Weimar.
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 06, 2012, 06:22:06 pm
Quote from:  link=topic=32728.msg1186978#msg1186978 date=1341182853

I keep hearing about how many Discordians are in Brazil, so that would be really great. I was going to see if I could make contact with the blogger who's apparently a big Discordian figure.

Brazil has a best butt contest where women show their butts behind a table like DaVinci's The Last Supper. Maybe that's why there's so many Discordians there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MzGXPMdQs

They used to have something like that outside of Weimar, Texas. It was men and women, though, they stood behind plywood with a toilet seat hung on it and the emcee raised the lid to reveal each ass.

It was a horror show of zits, cellulite, droopy nuts and carbuncles.
There is really, REALLY nothing to do in Weimar.

 :aaa:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on October 07, 2012, 03:33:05 am
I had no idea what a carbuncle was, so I googled it. :vom:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 07, 2012, 04:11:32 am
I had no idea what a carbuncle was, so I googled it. :vom:

Uh-oh

INTERNET, HERE I COME!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 07, 2012, 04:35:26 am
Oh shit yeah that's NASTY!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 07, 2012, 05:28:12 am
WELCOME TO MY LIFE.

:hammer:

TGRR,
Carbuncles are bling.  You don't even fucking know.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 07, 2012, 05:33:37 am
WELCOME TO MY LIFE.

:hammer:

TGRR,
Carbuncles are bling.  You don't even fucking know.

:horror:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Miley Spears on October 08, 2012, 05:04:31 pm
I had no idea what a carbuncle was, so I googled it. :vom:

It sounds like the name of a gemstone.  :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 12, 2012, 11:15:50 am
If anyone intends to add to the Pozible, it closes in nine days, so now is the best time.
http://www.pozible.com/eris
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on October 12, 2012, 12:56:21 pm
Did I already drop some cash?  I can't remember.


[edit: yes, I did.  AND SO SHOULD YOU.]
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Miley Spears on October 13, 2012, 07:23:46 pm
Quote from:  link=topic=32728.msg1215542#msg1215542 date=1350036950
If anyone intends to add to the Pozible, it closes in nine days, so now is the best time.
http://www.pozible.com/eris

I'd really like to help. But I just started college and I don't have any money.  :cry:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 20, 2012, 06:25:03 am
Pozible target met! Thank you!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 20, 2012, 09:16:28 am
Listening to Aretha Franklin singing O Happy Day while transcribing an Atheist interview in word. I feel kind of awkward.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 30, 2012, 09:02:53 pm
I think I'm going to bow out.

For what it's worth.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 07, 2012, 09:04:16 am
OK! I've been quiet on this for a while but things have been bubbling away under the surface.

I have seven spoken interviews completed including the compiler of the Apocrypher Discordia and rediscoverer of The Myth of Ichabod/Starbuck Dr Jon Swabey, Alleged namer of planet Eris, Anarchist, Chaote and Billboard Liberator Grandmaster Armidillo Curmudgeon, Tech co-workers Simon and Peter, Brisbane Marijuania culture veteran M, Crackpot historian Adam Gorighty, and Aaron who talks to me about the history of irreligion in Australia.

I also have something much more important; travel dates.

I arrive in Portland at 2.44 PM on the 5th of February. I jump through NorCal, SoCal, New Braunfels TX, New Orleans, Tenessee, L5P Atlanta Georgia, North Carolina, New York and Maine.

I then return to NYC, and fly out to Rio De Janeiro around 5am on the First of April, before progressing through Sao Paolo, Florianopolis, Brasilias and possibly Porto Velho. I then go home early on April 26.

SO, I'm going to start hammering out dates and rough plans ASAP but if you're in a particular areaq on the list (or that needs to be added) and you're keen to meet up and talk about your personal Discordia (and anything else you want to talk on) keep me in the loop and I'll try to bend plans around whatever works best for everyone.

I appreciate the support I've recieved so far, and am excited to meet with everyone.
Title: Discordian meat up 9/2/13
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 07, 2012, 11:48:13 pm
Looking at a Portland meat up on saturday February 9, next year.

Does this sound like something people could get to/be into?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 08, 2012, 01:15:44 pm
Portland 2/5/13 (MEATUP 2/9/12)
NorCal 2/10/13 (15 to 18 PantheaCon)
SoCal 2/19/13
Texas 2/25/13
Arkansas 3/1/13
New Orleans 2/4/13
Tenessee 3/7/13
Little Five Points (Atlanta) 3/11/13
North Carolina 3/15/13
Maryland 3/18/13
Maine 3/20/13
NYC 3/24/13 (30th of March is my birthday; intend to shindig)

Likely meat-ups - Portland, California (hopefully bowling in THE bowling alley), North Carolina and NYC and/or Maine. Possibly meeting a group in Boston too.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 08, 2012, 05:03:58 pm
I'll be here in February, fo sho!

You might want to format your America tour dates as month/day/year for more Americability.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 08, 2012, 05:06:04 pm
I will most likely be in the Boston area around March.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 08, 2012, 05:53:59 pm
Portland, California (hopefully bowling in THE bowling alley)

Dimo, how much do you know about THAT bowling alley?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 08, 2012, 09:20:43 pm
I'll be here in February, fo sho!

You might want to format your America tour dates as month/day/year for more Americability.

ah yes, I did intend to do that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 08, 2012, 09:21:42 pm
I will most likely be in the Boston area around March.


Perfect! Me too.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 08, 2012, 09:38:57 pm
Portland, California (hopefully bowling in THE bowling alley)

Dimo, how much do you know about THAT bowling alley?

I'm not sure if thats meant for Dimo or I. 

Assuming typo, this page and the Gorightly page linked sum up my knowledge;

 http://23ae.com/2011/12/the-brunswick-shrine/
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 08, 2012, 09:45:39 pm
Portland, California (hopefully bowling in THE bowling alley)

Dimo, how much do you know about THAT bowling alley?

I'm not sure if thats meant for Dimo or I. 

Assuming typo, this page and the Gorightly page linked sum up my knowledge;

 http://23ae.com/2011/12/the-brunswick-shrine/

Typo.  And thanks!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 11, 2012, 02:18:26 pm
Generally when people say 'Brooklyn' do they mean NY or MA?

BOSTON, not Brooklyn GAHHHHH. Ignore this message.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 12, 2012, 12:19:04 pm
If you CAN get out to Whittier on the 23rd of Feb, I think it would be worthwhile, as Dr Bob Newport, on of the first five Discordians will be there, at the Bowling Alley that Gorighlty claims was the alley in the Principia. It's a pretty special scenario, imo.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 12, 2012, 02:02:50 pm
USA MEAT UPS

PORTLAND FEB 9

WHITTIER, SoCal, FRIENDLY HILL BOWL, 23rd FEB

NORTH CAROLINA 16th MARCH

NEW YORK 30th MARCH
Title: Re: Discordian Interview Project
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2012, 04:32:15 pm
Theres some particularly well known folk I'd like to contact. If any one can indicate the best was to contact the following people I'd be grateful.

St Mae.

Kassanine

Reverend Loveshade.

Sondra London

Wes Unrah.

Mae and Loveshade have emails but I haven't had phenomenal success with emailing.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 15, 2012, 04:34:32 pm
Hm.  Will have to ponder.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 15, 2012, 04:51:18 pm
I'm gonna drop a line to Dingo on the FB page and see if Loveshade is actually gonna be involved.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2012, 04:52:32 pm
I'm gonna drop a line to Dingo on the FB page and see if Loveshade is actually gonna be involved.

Please let me know, because I don't want my name attached to anything he's involved with.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 15, 2012, 05:06:49 pm
yea, I'd not be comfortable if Loveshade is involved with this...
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: EK WAFFLR on November 15, 2012, 05:18:23 pm
I'mma throw myself on this. I want nothing to do with him.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 15, 2012, 05:29:52 pm
I send Placid a message.  Will let you know what he says.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on November 15, 2012, 05:32:01 pm
Yeah, 100% out of LS is going to be around
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 15, 2012, 05:37:41 pm
I mean, unless Dingo plans on challenging Loveshade on the paedo crap and giving him what for.

I'd be all for someone calling the asshole on his shit in person and filming it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 15, 2012, 05:43:10 pm
I mean, unless Dingo plans on challenging Loveshade on the paedo crap and giving him what for.

I'd be all for someone calling the asshole on his shit in person and filming it.

This could work.

Otherwise, out.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2012, 05:44:59 pm
I mean, unless Dingo plans on challenging Loveshade on the paedo crap and giving him what for.

I'd be all for someone calling the asshole on his shit in person and filming it.

Pretty sure it's going to be a book, and all that would mean is that there will be a book in which the author calls a Discordian out for defending sexual relationships with underage girls, and then a bunch of other interviews with Discordians. And all of our names on it together. Best case scenario, our names are associated with a guy who defends sex with underage teens, worst case scenario, we all denounce him, thereby making the book about Loveshade, also thereby making him appear to be a central figure in modern Discordia, and further muddying the waters when future generations wonder whether it was all a huge joke that Loveshade put us up to.

That's why I just want to stay away and not have my name on anything he's involved with.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 15, 2012, 06:01:22 pm
ANNNNND I'm out.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 15, 2012, 06:04:42 pm
yea, I get that.

I'm out if Loveshade is in.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 15, 2012, 06:15:41 pm
I mean, unless Dingo plans on challenging Loveshade on the paedo crap and giving him what for.

I'd be all for someone calling the asshole on his shit in person and filming it.

Pretty sure it's going to be a book, and all that would mean is that there will be a book in which the author calls a Discordian out for defending sexual relationships with underage girls, and then a bunch of other interviews with Discordians. And all of our names on it together. Best case scenario, our names are associated with a guy who defends sex with underage teens, worst case scenario, we all denounce him, thereby making the book about Loveshade, also thereby making him appear to be a central figure in modern Discordia, and further muddying the waters when future generations wonder whether it was all a huge joke that Loveshade put us up to.

That's why I just want to stay away and not have my name on anything he's involved with.

This, all of this, but especially the bolded part.

Not that he was coming to Canada anyway... they never do... sigh.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 15, 2012, 08:48:42 pm
Repost from Facebook.

Regarding Reverend Loveshade.

My intention with Chasing Eris is and always has been "to document contemporary Discordia". I am not interested is writing a propoganda piece endorsing our culture (though if I didn't have personal reasons for valuing Discordia, I would not be, as I am, a Discordian), but rather presenting the whole spectrum of Discordia as it is. As a result I am not interested in cherry picking individual Discordians on the basis of whether they make the culture look good or bad. I am interested in letting those who identify with Discordia lend their voices to the project and speak for themselves in regards to their personal Discordia.

Loveshade is part of the community, and as the recent conversations have shown, has a large and very emotional impact on a number of Discordians. My interest is in presenting this tension as it is, not to cover it with a tablecloth and try to pretend that it does not exist.

I've spoken previously with individuals concerned that their name will be associated with Reverend Loveshade. My answer then and now was this; I am presenting contemporary Discordia, not publishing an endorsement. I intend to be emphasising the extent to which Discordians differ in their views, and will not be implying that any one individual speaks for any other. I am very comfortable allowing individuals to express personal concerns regarding differences of views within the community itself.

I will not be meeting Reverend Loveshade in person but I will be publishing extracts from conversations online.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Don Coyote on November 15, 2012, 09:05:04 pm
your project your choice
but it is still kinda shitty door what little my opinion counts for

Coyote, eternally grateful that he isn't thatimportant in disoriented circles.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Eater of Clowns on November 15, 2012, 09:15:53 pm
I respect that decision, Dingo, and the integrity behind it.  I don't know this Loveshade person but you have to realize the implications of what you're doing.

1.  If you're looking to present Discordia as it is, then you're associating Discordia as it is with whatever this Loveshade dude supports.  If you have anybody who's looking at it for the first time, that might be the kind of thing that stands out when they meet future Discordians.

2.  By presenting a polarizing figure with such emotional impact, you are legitimizing that figure.  It's no different than the media broadcasting Rush Limbaugh's latest shocking clip - you're giving voice to someone who quite possibly shouldn't be given one.

3.  Even if you have a bunch of folks denouncing Loveshade, they are still going to be presented with him.  Consider the Fred Phelps analogy in the other thread - if he gets more exposure, more people will think he represents Discordia.

I know I'm not a part of your project, or at least as far as I know I'm not, but I'm not cool with the possibility I could tell someone I'm a Discordian and have them think about whatever shit some other dude is into.

your project your choice
but it is still kinda shitty door what little my opinion counts for

Coyote, eternally grateful that he isn't thatimportant in disoriented circles.

:awesome:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2012, 09:25:05 pm
Loveshade is part of the community,

Then I am not.

Even before those assholes just pulled that shit on my family.

If he's part of Discordianism, I guess I'm back to being a Subgenius.  I'm certainly not giving text, interviews, or permission of any kind to use anything about me or anything I've written, if it is going in the same book, film, whatever as that shitneck and his cronies.

EOS.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Don Coyote on November 15, 2012, 09:44:41 pm
I respect that decision, Dingo, and the integrity behind it.  I don't know this Loveshade person but you have to realize the implications of what you're doing.

1.  If you're looking to present Discordia as it is, then you're associating Discordia as it is with whatever this Loveshade dude supports.  If you have anybody who's looking at it for the first time, that might be the kind of thing that stands out when they meet future Discordians.

2.  By presenting a polarizing figure with such emotional impact, you are legitimizing that figure.  It's no different than the media broadcasting Rush Limbaugh's latest shocking clip - you're giving voice to someone who quite possibly shouldn't be given one.

3.  Even if you have a bunch of folks denouncing Loveshade, they are still going to be presented with him.  Consider the Fred Phelps analogy in the other thread - if he gets more exposure, more people will think he represents Discordia.

I know I'm not a part of your project, or at least as far as I know I'm not, but I'm not cool with the possibility I could tell someone I'm a Discordian and have them think about whatever shit some other dude is into.

your project your choice
but it is still kinda shitty door what little my opinion counts for

Coyote, eternally grateful that he isn't thatimportant in disoriented circles.

:awesome:

I really should stop posting on my phone on the bus.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2012, 10:13:00 pm
Repost from Facebook.

Regarding Reverend Loveshade.

My intention with Chasing Eris is and always has been "to document contemporary Discordia". I am not interested is writing a propoganda piece endorsing our culture (though if I didn't have personal reasons for valuing Discordia, I would not be, as I am, a Discordian), but rather presenting the whole spectrum of Discordia as it is. As a result I am not interested in cherry picking individual Discordians on the basis of whether they make the culture look good or bad. I am interested in letting those who identify with Discordia lend their voices to the project and speak for themselves in regards to their personal Discordia.

Loveshade is part of the community, and as the recent conversations have shown, has a large and very emotional impact on a number of Discordians. My interest is in presenting this tension as it is, not to cover it with a tablecloth and try to pretend that it does not exist.

I've spoken previously with individuals concerned that their name will be associated with Reverend Loveshade. My answer then and now was this; I am presenting contemporary Discordia, not publishing an endorsement. I intend to be emphasising the extent to which Discordians differ in their views, and will not be implying that any one individual speaks for any other. I am very comfortable allowing individuals to express personal concerns regarding differences of views within the community itself.

I will not be meeting Reverend Loveshade in person but I will be publishing extracts from conversations online.

I choose not to identify with that community.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2012, 10:19:24 pm
As long as you're interviewing people who have had an impact on the Discordian community, I hope you're also interviewing IANAR, AKK, and Poptart.

I'd think twice about participating if you were, honestly, because that's a little like telling a local community leader and activist you'd like to interview them because you're doing a piece on prominent people in their community, then splicing them in with interviews of random tweakers you found downtown. Insulting. If Loveshade is a prominent member of the Discordian community rather than a publicity-hungry coattailer, I'm not a Discordian after all.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 15, 2012, 10:25:29 pm
If Loveshade is a prominent member of the Discordian community rather than a publicity-hungry coattailer, I'm not a Discordian after all.

This is really the crux of my beef with the whole thing.  He's a snake-oil salesmen with nothing to sell.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: EK WAFFLR on November 15, 2012, 10:34:12 pm
If Loveshade is a prominent member of the Discordian community rather than a publicity-hungry coattailer, I'm not a Discordian after all.

This is really the crux of my beef with the whole thing.  He's a snake-oil salesmen with nothing to sell.

So much this.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2012, 10:43:44 pm
 :lulz: Dingo kicked me out of the FB group. I guess I've said enough and he will harbor no more dissent.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 15, 2012, 10:47:04 pm
DISCORDIA 2012!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2012, 10:47:49 pm
Can anyone tell me whether he deleted my posts, as well? I actually was not done having that conversation with Fox, who I know IRL.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2012, 11:04:44 pm
:lulz: Dingo kicked me out of the FB group. I guess I've said enough and he will harbor no more dissent.

Well done, Dingo.  Well fucking done.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2012, 11:05:21 pm
Can anyone tell me whether he deleted my posts, as well? I actually was not done having that conversation with Fox, who I know IRL.

I like Fox, a bunch.  Good people.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on November 15, 2012, 11:08:05 pm
Can anyone tell me whether he deleted my posts, as well? I actually was not done having that conversation with Fox, who I know IRL.
Still there.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 03:59:35 am

Loveshade is part of the community,

And John Wayne Gacy was part of Chicago's community.  Asshole.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:13:00 am
:lulz: Dingo kicked me out of the FB group. I guess I've said enough and he will harbor no more dissent.

Well done, Dingo.  Well fucking done.

It occurs to me that I will somehow be responsible for this mess.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 04:21:24 am
Dingo was decent enough to PM and say he was "removing me from the meetup arrangement group". I'll give him that.
He's got it locked down now, though, and I have no clue whether my posted were deleted or not. Probably so.

I still question sacrificing a fuckload of people so he can have a creepazoid Loveshade in the thing.
I guess Loveshade is "important".
Whatever he's "important" in, I don't want any part of either. I don't take well to a philosophy of pedophilia, kicking small animals, &c. &c.

RILLY REAL DISCORDIA: NOT JUST FOR NOOBS ANYMORE

Dingo, play your cards right and you might even get CU. Or some guy sniffing bicycle seats.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 04:22:49 am
:lulz: Dingo kicked me out of the FB group. I guess I've said enough and he will harbor no more dissent.

Well done, Dingo.  Well fucking done.

It occurs to me that I will somehow be responsible for this mess.

Of course.  :x
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:27:05 am
Dingo was decent enough to PM and say he was "removing me from the meetup arrangement group". I'll give him that.
He's got it locked down now, though, and I have no clue whether my posted were deleted or not. Probably so.

I still question sacrificing a fuckload of people so he can have a creepazoid Loveshade in the thing.
I guess Loveshade is "important".
Whatever he's "important" in, I don't want any part of either. I don't take well to a philosophy of pedophilia, kicking small animals, &c. &c.

RILLY REAL DISCORDIA: NOT JUST FOR NOOBS ANYMORE

Dingo, play your cards right and you might even get CU. Or some guy sniffing bicycle seats.

I don't question it at all. 

The least horrible option is that he's collecting "big names".

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:28:26 am
:lulz: Dingo kicked me out of the FB group. I guess I've said enough and he will harbor no more dissent.

Well done, Dingo.  Well fucking done.

It occurs to me that I will somehow be responsible for this mess.

Of course.  :x

It always is. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on November 16, 2012, 04:34:45 am
I got the PM, too. I didn't give a shit because I have better things to do, but I'm not sure why it was necessary. Stinks like butthurt.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:36:53 am
I got the PM, too. I didn't give a shit because I have better things to do, but I'm not sure why it was necessary. Stinks like butthurt.

Wow.  Epic meltdown.

Which kinda sucks, because it was a good idea...Before it became "Loveshade and some other tards."  If he wants to blow that kind of cash for one interview (or at least a hell of a lot less interviews), then I can make a pretty good guess as to what this was really all about in the first place.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:38:48 am
Thing is, I can't figure out if he's digging in his heels like a mad bastard, or if he's actually one of the Loveshade crew (which might explain a few things, but I hope not).

And I honestly can't decide which is worse.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 04:43:18 am
Verthaine was around for the Loveshade thing too, wasn't he?
Wouldn't be surprised if he bailed.
If he ever agreed to this shit in the first place.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:45:34 am
Verthaine was around for the Loveshade thing too, wasn't he?
Wouldn't be surprised if he bailed.
If he ever agreed to this shit in the first place.

I never heard that he was involved.  I haven't heard from Verthaine since the big EB&G meltdown.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 04:49:15 am
Verthaine was around for the Loveshade thing too, wasn't he?
Wouldn't be surprised if he bailed.
If he ever agreed to this shit in the first place.

I never heard that he was involved.  I haven't heard from Verthaine since the big EB&G meltdown.

I haven't either, but I gave Dingo a forum addy where he hangs out sometimes. And I'm pretty sure I saw NOLA on the itinerary, so maybe.
I hooked his bitch ass up with Sondra London, too. In retrospect, that was a waste.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:50:52 am
Verthaine was around for the Loveshade thing too, wasn't he?
Wouldn't be surprised if he bailed.
If he ever agreed to this shit in the first place.

I never heard that he was involved.  I haven't heard from Verthaine since the big EB&G meltdown.

I haven't either, but I gave Dingo a forum addy where he hangs out sometimes. And I'm pretty sure I saw NOLA on the itinerary, so maybe.
I hooked his bitch ass up with Sondra London, too. In retrospect, that was a waste.

No good deed goes unSCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEECH!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 04:59:00 am
Verthaine was around for the Loveshade thing too, wasn't he?
Wouldn't be surprised if he bailed.
If he ever agreed to this shit in the first place.

I never heard that he was involved.  I haven't heard from Verthaine since the big EB&G meltdown.

I haven't either, but I gave Dingo a forum addy where he hangs out sometimes. And I'm pretty sure I saw NOLA on the itinerary, so maybe.
I hooked his bitch ass up with Sondra London, too. In retrospect, that was a waste.

No good deed goes unSCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEECH!

I need to embroider that on fucking samplers or something until it sinks in.  :x
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 04:59:41 am
Verthaine was around for the Loveshade thing too, wasn't he?
Wouldn't be surprised if he bailed.
If he ever agreed to this shit in the first place.

I never heard that he was involved.  I haven't heard from Verthaine since the big EB&G meltdown.

I haven't either, but I gave Dingo a forum addy where he hangs out sometimes. And I'm pretty sure I saw NOLA on the itinerary, so maybe.
I hooked his bitch ass up with Sondra London, too. In retrospect, that was a waste.

No good deed goes unSCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEECH!

I need to embroider that on fucking samplers or something until it sinks in.  :x

Naw.  His actions are his and his alone.  No need to warp your own personality over it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 05:01:00 am
Can anyone tell me whether he deleted my posts, as well? I actually was not done having that conversation with Fox, who I know IRL.
Still there.

Thanks.

He might have cut off my ability, mid-conversation, to reply to people addressing my thread, but at least he didn't delete what I already said.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 05:02:44 am
Verthaine was around for the Loveshade thing too, wasn't he?
Wouldn't be surprised if he bailed.
If he ever agreed to this shit in the first place.

I never heard that he was involved.  I haven't heard from Verthaine since the big EB&G meltdown.

I haven't either, but I gave Dingo a forum addy where he hangs out sometimes. And I'm pretty sure I saw NOLA on the itinerary, so maybe.
I hooked his bitch ass up with Sondra London, too. In retrospect, that was a waste.

No good deed goes unSCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEECH!

I need to embroider that on fucking samplers or something until it sinks in.  :x

Naw.  His actions are his and his alone.  No need to warp your own personality over it.

True. And he's got LOVESHADE.

That's punishment in itself.

:hammer:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Don Coyote on November 16, 2012, 05:18:35 am
Guys

Guys

Wait

Guys

What if

This was all just an experiment?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 16, 2012, 06:54:38 am
:lulz: Dingo kicked me out of the FB group. I guess I've said enough and he will harbor no more dissent.

Well done, Dingo.  Well fucking done.

It occurs to me that I will somehow be responsible for this mess.

No

That's right, I'm taking over this one. The Good Reverend Roger is getting fucking UPSTAGED.

I am personally responsible for making all of this horrible shit happen and hurting people's feelings. I caused some vaguely associated individuals to become distressed during an unrelated conversation, and now look what I made them do.

I fucked it all up, because I'm a horrible rotten cunt of a person. For some vaguely defined reason.


...


... *sigh*




I'm sorry. I just wanted to feel important, for a few minutes. But they'll never love me like they love TGRR.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 16, 2012, 06:59:03 am
Been at work but this is the main of what I'd like to say.

I thought about some of these issues a lot when Roger first raised concerns regarding Loveshade. The conclusion I came to then is the conclusion I'm at now; I don't have a real problem losing Loveshade; after all, all I have is one Internet  interview which may not even make the final cut, and I have no plans to meet him. However I do have a problem loosing editorial control, and being told who I may and any may not discuss as a Discordian public figure.

More importantly I would feel like a fraud if I were to decide Loveshade were 'too unpleasent' to discuss. I'd feel like I was calling in everyone to smile nicely and look normal. I'm interested in showing all sides of Discordia, not in being an Erisian PR manager. If there are unpleasant things in Discordia, I'm happy to show what they are.

In regards to the FB group I'll admit to a handful of poor choices this morning. It felt to me to be passive aggressive to pull people out without making contact, hence the pms. Possibly this was the wrong call to make, and if so, I apologise.  The facebook group has always been locked and private, and exists for my convenience in organising trip matters. I don't want drama in there, and I don't want people connected who aren't interested in being involved. When I pulled people out today I should have given everyone a bit of notice and a chance to clean up conversations first, and I didn't, which I apologise for.

Regarding the tone around here I seem to be persona non grata so if there's any questions, PM me and I'll post up an answer here.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 16, 2012, 07:44:12 am
Have fun hanging out with the Pedocordians. And thanks for putting together a project that's going to do a REALLY AWESOME JOB of representing Discordia. Y'know, minus the everyone or so that doesn't want some slimy pedo shitneck using their work for his own self-aggrandizement. Way to show the world what we're all about, champ.

For the record, I think this is one of the shittiest things anyone's done in the name of Discordia since Captain Utopia. It took all of my powers of rational thinking not to decide that facebook discordian groups should fall under the umbrella of the quid pro quo rule and shitcan you from here forever. I'm especially disappointed since I actually liked you as a poster.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 16, 2012, 01:26:27 pm
Been at work but this is the main of what I'd like to say.

I thought about some of these issues a lot when Roger first raised concerns regarding Loveshade. The conclusion I came to then is the conclusion I'm at now; I don't have a real problem losing Loveshade; after all, all I have is one Internet  interview which may not even make the final cut, and I have no plans to meet him. However I do have a problem loosing editorial control, and being told who I may and any may not discuss as a Discordian public figure.

More importantly I would feel like a fraud if I were to decide Loveshade were 'too unpleasent' to discuss. I'd feel like I was calling in everyone to smile nicely and look normal. I'm interested in showing all sides of Discordia, not in being an Erisian PR manager. If there are unpleasant things in Discordia, I'm happy to show what they are.

In regards to the FB group I'll admit to a handful of poor choices this morning. It felt to me to be passive aggressive to pull people out without making contact, hence the pms. Possibly this was the wrong call to make, and if so, I apologise.  The facebook group has always been locked and private, and exists for my convenience in organising trip matters. I don't want drama in there, and I don't want people connected who aren't interested in being involved. When I pulled people out today I should have given everyone a bit of notice and a chance to clean up conversations first, and I didn't, which I apologise for.

Regarding the tone around here I seem to be persona non grata so if there's any questions, PM me and I'll post up an answer here.


The bolded area is Second Circuit bullshit, which you should probably be intelligent enough to see.  You aren't losing any control over your project; you are losing what control you thought you had over your interview subjects.  Very different, though it may seem superficially similar upon a cursory glance.

You started a project about Discordia and thought it would proceed smoothly?  Derp.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 16, 2012, 01:45:48 pm
It's more of that "freedom" stuff.  You're free to write what you want, and we're free to participate or not.

It's not extortion for us to say "if you include LS, we're out."  It's us making a choice.  We're not telling you what you can or can't do.  We're telling you what the ramifications of your choices may be.

I will go on the record and say that it would be very sad if I couldn't contribute in some way.  I think the idea of going around the world and seeing what Thornley/Hill/Wilson hath wrought is pretty amazing, and I'd really like to be a part of it.

But I am very concerned about this matter, and I probably won't be able to ignore it.  If I was to contribute, I'd want to plug it to my friends and family, and give it to people who ask what the hell a Discordian is.  But there's that "association" again.  I wouldn't really want to appear that my belief system/philosophy/reality grid/BIP could be grouped in with an advocate of hebephilia.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 02:02:53 pm
However I do have a problem loosing editorial control, and being told who I may and any may not discuss as a Discordian public figure.

You aren't losing control.

Some members have stated that they won't partipate if Loveshade is in.  They're not telling you that you can't have Loveshade, they're telling you they can't have Loveshade AND them.

The only point where control was lost was by yourself, when you went ban-crazy over at the FB group.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 02:23:03 pm
:lulz: Dingo kicked me out of the FB group. I guess I've said enough and he will harbor no more dissent.

Well done, Dingo.  Well fucking done.

It occurs to me that I will somehow be responsible for this mess.

No

That's right, I'm taking over this one. The Good Reverend Roger is getting fucking UPSTAGED.

I am personally responsible for making all of this horrible shit happen and hurting people's feelings. I caused some vaguely associated individuals to become distressed during an unrelated conversation, and now look what I made them do.

I fucked it all up, because I'm a horrible rotten cunt of a person. For some vaguely defined reason.


...


... *sigh*




I'm sorry. I just wanted to feel important, for a few minutes. But they'll never love me like they love TGRR.

They do love you, Cainad.  But they are my people, and I am their king.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: EK WAFFLR on November 16, 2012, 02:23:43 pm
It's more of that "freedom" stuff.  You're free to write what you want, and we're free to participate or not.

It's not extortion for us to say "if you include LS, we're out."  It's us making a choice.  We're not telling you what you can or can't do.  We're telling you what the ramifications of your choices may be.

I will go on the record and say that it would be very sad if I couldn't contribute in some way.  I think the idea of going around the world and seeing what Thornley/Hill/Wilson hath wrought is pretty amazing, and I'd really like to be a part of it.

But I am very concerned about this matter, and I probably won't be able to ignore it.  If I was to contribute, I'd want to plug it to my friends and family, and give it to people who ask what the hell a Discordian is.  But there's that "association" again.  I wouldn't really want to appear that my belief system/philosophy/reality grid/BIP could be grouped in with an advocate of hebephilia.

I am in total agreement with this.

I have nothing against you, Dingo, but your choices here seem to be misguided at best.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 03:39:45 pm
Been at work but this is the main of what I'd like to say.

I thought about some of these issues a lot when Roger first raised concerns regarding Loveshade. The conclusion I came to then is the conclusion I'm at now; I don't have a real problem losing Loveshade; after all, all I have is one Internet  interview which may not even make the final cut, and I have no plans to meet him. However I do have a problem loosing editorial control, and being told who I may and any may not discuss as a Discordian public figure.

More importantly I would feel like a fraud if I were to decide Loveshade were 'too unpleasent' to discuss. I'd feel like I was calling in everyone to smile nicely and look normal. I'm interested in showing all sides of Discordia, not in being an Erisian PR manager. If there are unpleasant things in Discordia, I'm happy to show what they are.

In regards to the FB group I'll admit to a handful of poor choices this morning. It felt to me to be passive aggressive to pull people out without making contact, hence the pms. Possibly this was the wrong call to make, and if so, I apologise.  The facebook group has always been locked and private, and exists for my convenience in organising trip matters. I don't want drama in there, and I don't want people connected who aren't interested in being involved. When I pulled people out today I should have given everyone a bit of notice and a chance to clean up conversations first, and I didn't, which I apologise for.

Regarding the tone around here I seem to be persona non grata so if there's any questions, PM me and I'll post up an answer here.

Sorry man, it just looks like you've decided to do a project about a different Discordia than the one I'm involved in. Loveshade is not my people, ergo I have no business appearing in a book about him.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 09:38:55 pm
Loveshade is not my people, ergo I have no business appearing in a book about him.

Nail/head.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 16, 2012, 09:51:40 pm
Thank you all very much for the responses, and I appreciate the concerns.

I have seriously considered peoples concerns and ultimately I'm of the same opinion as before. I have a series of in person and internet interviews collected. If you would like to add yours, I would value your time, however if your participation is contingent on having influence over the final product (other than your own interview, which I will send back to you to check for errors), then I'm afraid I'm not OK with that.

Most people here have known me for three or four years now I think, and are capable of deciding if they trust me to represent Discordia fairly. If you don't trust the decisions I make, I'm OK with that, but I won't be doing interviews contingent on anyone else having final say on what I include.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 10:13:13 pm
Thank you all very much for the responses, and I appreciate the concerns.

I have seriously considered peoples concerns and ultimately I'm of the same opinion as before. I have a series of in person and internet interviews collected. If you would like to add yours, I would value your time, however if your participation is contingent on having influence over the final product (other than your own interview, which I will send back to you to check for errors), then I'm afraid I'm not OK with that.

Most people here have known me for three or four years now I think, and are capable of deciding if they trust me to represent Discordia fairly. If you don't trust the decisions I make, I'm OK with that, but I won't be doing interviews contingent on anyone else having final say on what I include.

Balls.  You defriended at least one person involved, after heaving a bunch of people off the FB page.

Now you're mister reasonable.  "You can all come crawling back, now.  Not addressing your concerns."

Called that shit.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 10:15:08 pm
I think I would have had more respect for the way you handled it if you hadn't tried to scuff the Loveshade interview under the carpet; if you'd recognized that it was a potential issue in the beginning and said "Hey guys, there's this. It may affect how you feel about how you are represented and whether you want to participate. Any input on how I should handle it?". But instead, you chose to quietly disregard Roger's concerns when he brought it up, to the extent that other concerned parties missed it. As I believe you intended. Until it came up again and I brought it up as a point that couldn't so easily be blithely disregarded and hushed, although that is, to my eye, exactly what you tried to do when you moved to silence me and shut me down in your group.

As it stands, no, after the way you skimmed over that, banned me from your group mid-argument, and unfriended me because I don't want to participate in your little project, I don't trust you to represent the community, I don't trust your judgement, and I also don't think that a book about current-day Discordians that doesn't include Roger and LMNO is worth my time. You keep insisting that this is about people trying to dictate who you will interview, but it's the exact opposite; it's people removing themselves from your purview. Stop trying to make it into something else.

You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching... how is it that you cannot understand that some people here, especially those of us whose real identities are closely linked to our Discordian identities, simply don't want to be associated with someone who is a hanger-on with socially repugnant ideas about adults having sex with minors? Congratulations on giving a truly repugnant person what he's always wanted and been laughed off at every previous turn; legitimacy as a truly Important Discordian Person. If, for some unfathomable reason, your painfully incomplete glimpse into the Discordian community ends up legitimizing Loveshade as a serious contributor to Discordia, I will disavow any and all connection to Discordianism.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 10:16:01 pm
This has been said before, but to reiterate: No need to get all territorial, nobody's trying to CONTROL YOUR PROJECT.

We don't want to be associated with a child diddler.

DUHR.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 10:16:51 pm
Congratulations on giving a truly repugnant person what he's always wanted and been laughed off at every previous turn; legitimacy as a truly Important Discordian Person. If, for some unfathomable reason, your painfully incomplete glimpse into the Discordian community ends up legitimizing Loveshade as a serious contributor to Discordia, I will disavow any and all connection to Discordianism.

I don't think that will be necessary.  I don't see Loveshadeopedia going very far.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 10:18:26 pm
This has been said before, but to reiterate: No need to get all territorial, nobody's trying to CONTROL YOUR PROJECT.

We don't want to be associated with a child diddler.

DUHR.

You're missing the point.  Placid Dingo isn't stupid; he can tell the difference between "telling him what to do" and "not taking part".  This is a ruse he can hide behind so that he doesn't have to defend asking people to play bit roles in his hero's epic.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 10:18:49 pm
I think I would have had more respect for the way you handled it if you hadn't tried to scuff the Loveshade interview under the carpet; if you'd recognized that it was a potential issue in the beginning and said "Hey guys, there's this. It may affect how you feel about how you are represented and whether you want to participate. Any input on how I should handle it?". But instead, you chose to quietly disregard Roger's concerns when he brought it up, to the extent that other concerned parties missed it. As I believe you intended. Until it came up again and I brought it up as a point that couldn't so easily be blithely disregarded and hushed, although that is, to my eye, exactly what you tried to do when you moved to silence me and shut me down in your group.

As it stands, no, after the way you skimmed over that, banned me from your group mid-argument, and unfriended me because I don't want to participate in your little project, I don't trust you to represent the community, I don't trust your judgement, and I also don't think that a book about current-day Discordians that doesn't include Roger and LMNO is worth my time. You keep insisting that this is about people trying to dictate who you will interview, but it's the exact opposite; it's people removing themselves from your purview. Stop trying to make it into something else.

You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching... how is it that you cannot understand that some people here, especially those of us whose real identities are closely linked to our Discordian identities, simply don't want to be associated with someone who is a hanger-on with socially repugnant ideas about adults having sex with minors? Congratulations on giving a truly repugnant person what he's always wanted and been laughed off at every previous turn; legitimacy as a truly Important Discordian Person. If, for some unfathomable reason, your painfully incomplete glimpse into the Discordian community ends up legitimizing Loveshade as a serious contributor to Discordia, I will disavow any and all connection to Discordianism.

Nigel says it so much better than me. THIS.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 10:20:23 pm
You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching...

Oh, that's priceless.

 :lulz:

"HEY, EVERYONE!  COME RISK YOUR REPUTATION BY BEING IN THE SAME BOOK AS A KIDDIE-DIDDLER.  BUT NOBODY USE MY REAL NAME, BECAUSE I DO NOT WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU PEOPLE."
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 10:21:27 pm
I also feel as if at least a little deliberate effort, if only in the form of hoping we wouldn't notice or say anything, was made to trick those of us who have repeatedly stated that we will have no association with RL at all, in any way, into agreeing to participate. And if it truly didn't occur to you that it might be an issue, then your judgement is more lacking than I imagined possible.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 10:22:48 pm
This has been said before, but to reiterate: No need to get all territorial, nobody's trying to CONTROL YOUR PROJECT.

We don't want to be associated with a child diddler.

DUHR.

You're missing the point.  Placid Dingo isn't stupid; he can tell the difference between "telling him what to do" and "not taking part".  This is a ruse he can hide behind so that he doesn't have to defend asking people to play bit roles in his hero's epic.

You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching...

Oh, that's priceless.

 :lulz:

"HEY, EVERYONE!  COME RISK YOUR REPUTATION BY BEING IN THE SAME BOOK AS A KIDDIE-DIDDLER.  BUT NOBODY USE MY REAL NAME, BECAUSE I DO NOT WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU PEOPLE."


Now I'm not wanting to be associated with Dingo, either.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 16, 2012, 10:25:05 pm
This has been said before, but to reiterate: No need to get all territorial, nobody's trying to CONTROL YOUR PROJECT.

We don't want to be associated with a child diddler.

DUHR.

You're missing the point.  Placid Dingo isn't stupid; he can tell the difference between "telling him what to do" and "not taking part".  This is a ruse he can hide behind so that he doesn't have to defend asking people to play bit roles in his hero's epic.

You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching...

Oh, that's priceless.

 :lulz:

"HEY, EVERYONE!  COME RISK YOUR REPUTATION BY BEING IN THE SAME BOOK AS A KIDDIE-DIDDLER.  BUT NOBODY USE MY REAL NAME, BECAUSE I DO NOT WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU PEOPLE."


Now I'm not wanting to be associated with Dingo, either.

Me, neither, but that hasn't ever really been an issue.  Dingo's been down on me since he got here, and now I know why.

But, yeah, with that aside, I don't want to be associated with people who are THAT careful about their own reputation, yet have NO consideration for anyone else's.

I was actually okay with him on some level til the whole "Don't ever use my name" following "you guys need to be okay with being stacked up next to Loveshade."

Fuck that, and fuck him.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 10:27:25 pm
I want to make something very, VERY, VERY clear: I am not giving an ultimatum. I am not saying "get rid of that guy or I won't play". I'm simply withdrawing. I have never once said or even implied that I was issuing an ultimatum or making a threat, and I strongly resent being told that I'm trying to dictate ANYTHING other than my own participation. So Dingo, you can go fuck yourself for that insult, too.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 16, 2012, 10:41:49 pm
This has been said before, but to reiterate: No need to get all territorial, nobody's trying to CONTROL YOUR PROJECT.

We don't want to be associated with a child diddler.

DUHR.

You're missing the point.  Placid Dingo isn't stupid; he can tell the difference between "telling him what to do" and "not taking part".  This is a ruse he can hide behind so that he doesn't have to defend asking people to play bit roles in his hero's epic.

You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching...

Oh, that's priceless.

 :lulz:

"HEY, EVERYONE!  COME RISK YOUR REPUTATION BY BEING IN THE SAME BOOK AS A KIDDIE-DIDDLER.  BUT NOBODY USE MY REAL NAME, BECAUSE I DO NOT WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU PEOPLE."


Now I'm not wanting to be associated with Dingo, either.

Me, neither, but that hasn't ever really been an issue.  Dingo's been down on me since he got here, and now I know why.

But, yeah, with that aside, I don't want to be associated with people who are THAT careful about their own reputation, yet have NO consideration for anyone else's.

I was actually okay with him on some level til the whole "Don't ever use my name" following "you guys need to be okay with being stacked up next to Loveshade."

Fuck that, and fuck him.

Correct reaction to that kind of narcissism or whatever the fuck it is.

I want to make something very, VERY, VERY clear: I am not giving an ultimatum. I am not saying "get rid of that guy or I won't play". I'm simply withdrawing. I have never once said or even implied that I was issuing an ultimatum or making a threat, and I strongly resent being told that I'm trying to dictate ANYTHING other than my own participation. So Dingo, you can go fuck yourself for that insult, too.

He IS kind of evangelical about it, isn't he?

This whole thing just gets creepier the longe you look at it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 10:46:47 pm
I am also pretty irritated that I got my ass jumped in his group just for ASKING whether it was true that Loveshade was involved, and a ton of assumptions poured onto my question, including that I was giving an ultimatum, which I never fucking did, but was Dingo putting words in my mouth. And THEN I was banned, while I was away at classes, without a chance to finish my end of the conversation or to defend myself from the accusation that I was somehow trying to "control" Dingo's project.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 10:48:44 pm
End result is: instead of just distancing myself from this project, now I'm angry, have lost respect and trust for Dingo, and am not interested in working with him on any future projects.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 12:37:18 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 12:38:55 am
Does anyone have the link to his FB group handy? I'd like to c&p that last post there so I can be sure he sees it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 12:47:47 am
Whoa... I seemed to have missed something here. I ought to be home int the next twenty min at which point ill be better able to see what just happened
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Don Coyote on November 17, 2012, 12:48:37 am
You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching...

Oh, that's priceless.

 :lulz:

"HEY, EVERYONE!  COME RISK YOUR REPUTATION BY BEING IN THE SAME BOOK AS A KIDDIE-DIDDLER.  BUT NOBODY USE MY REAL NAME, BECAUSE I DO NOT WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU PEOPLE."

Wait...that is his real name? What the fuck Australia?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Don Coyote on November 17, 2012, 12:53:25 am
Does anyone have the link to his FB group handy? I'd like to c&p that last post there so I can be sure he sees it.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/348818361870069/?fref=ts
http://www.facebook.com/ChasingEris?ref=ts&fref=ts
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 01:29:21 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Agreed, unless the individual user chooses to submit his or her work on her own, but PD should probably not be mentioned.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 01:31:36 am
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 01:32:27 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Agreed, unless the individual user chooses to submit his or her work on her own, but PD should probably not be mentioned.



there's no "probably" about it. I'm disgusted enough that I'd actually be willing to take legal action to prevent it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 01:36:30 am
Having read what happened and all the concerns raised, yeah, I'm going to have to back out too.

Aside from not wanting to be connected with Loveshade in anyway, I'm more than a little concerned with the idea of Loveshade being used to show tension within the community too. I agree with Nigel's assessment that if we don't acknowledge our disapproval of him, it legitimizes him, and that if we do, it makes the book about him.

I'm not sure if any of you have read Lords of Chaos by Michael Moynihan, but the book is supposed to be about Satanic themed Heavy Metal. The book ended up being about Varg Vikernes of Burzum, who is a Neo-Nazi, arsonist and murderer, and up until Breivik's rampage, Norway's national asshole. Maybe that's Godwining but, I feel it's an apt analogy.

So, Dingo, I'm not going to hold your decision to include Loveshade in your book against you. If you want to grab a beer when you're in Boston, I'm down, especially when it will be around your birthday. But I don't want to be in a book that I would feel obligated to denounce someone I don't want to bring attention to.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 01:38:47 am
hxxp://www.loveshade.org/

notice the link to miley spears' site in the sidebar.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 01:40:03 am
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew

HE HAS A KIDS' CLUB. :vom: :vom: :vom:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 01:45:56 am
I'm reluctant to even click, honestly.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 01:51:07 am
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew

HE HAS A KIDS' CLUB. :vom: :vom: :vom:

Click it.  The first hotlink won't take you there, it takes you to an intro page.

You just THINK you feel ill right now.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Luna on November 17, 2012, 01:53:35 am
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew

HE HAS A KIDS' CLUB. :vom: :vom: :vom:
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew

I am TOTALLY squicked out... which is harder to do than it looks.

Quote
HOW DO CLUB MEMBERS SAY HELLO?  We do this really fun thing called The
Bodyshake!  You can read more about it in The Shamlicht Kids Club Handbook. 
What you do is you touch the feet of another member or a leader with your feet. 
Then you make the 537 sign.  You do this with both hands.  You might already know
how to make it!  If you don’t, read The Shamlicht Kids Club Handbook or ask
somebody who’s older.  You touch the hands of the person you’re saying hello to
with your hands.  Then you both put your foreheads together.  Then you both move
your hands and heads back and forth together while saying “Shamlicht Kids” five
times.  Isn’t that a fun way to say hello?  If you don’t understand the directions, don’t
worry.  We’ll show you!

The "secret handshake" for the kids' club is giving me the screaming willies.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 02:01:44 am
SHUDDER
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 02:02:24 am
SHUDDER

Everyone wonders why I hate humans.

I've never been confused about it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 02:03:30 am
SHUDDER

Everyone wonders why I hate humans.

I've never been confused about it.

I never wondered about it.

I'm just usually optimistic.

Now is not usually.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 17, 2012, 02:06:34 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 02:07:35 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Um, Dingo, that was an interesting way of wording that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 02:17:03 am
There's some really fucked up shit down this rabbit hole.

http://www.loveshade.org/
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 02:23:25 am
There's some really fucked up shit down this rabbit hole.

http://www.loveshade.org/

Why's this dude got so many websites?

It's very.....


There's a lot of adjectives running through my head right now.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 02:29:56 am
There's some really fucked up shit down this rabbit hole.

http://www.loveshade.org/

Why's this dude got so many websites?

It's very.....


There's a lot of adjectives running through my head right now.

http://loveshade.org/blog/love_and_sex/  <--- Don't click that.  No shit.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 02:31:14 am
There's some really fucked up shit down this rabbit hole.

http://www.loveshade.org/

Why's this dude got so many websites?

It's very.....


There's a lot of adjectives running through my head right now.

http://loveshade.org/blog/love_and_sex/  <--- Don't click that.  No shit.

I haven't clicked on any of them yet. My landlady, who is a very nice lady that I like very much, provides the internet.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 02:43:52 am
Placid unfriended me.  What a shock.

Good enough.  I blocked him.  Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 02:53:35 am
Placid unfriended me.  What a shock.

Good enough.  I blocked him.  Fuck that guy.

I'd like him to acknowledge my say on the matter, which I posted here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32728.msg1223597.html#msg1223597

And which I quoted and PM'd him with, per his request to PM him.

I'm not exactly sure what the time difference between Boston and Australia is off the top of my head, but I figure it to be approximately 12 hours.

So- he's better rested and soberer than I am, and since he's posted since that post, I'd like to at least get a PM response. Especially where I said I'd still get him a beer.

Because, I've got a trip to the Sireland in the works. And if he doesn't want that beer, that gives me more flexibility to meet Cain and Lenin and PixiePaynePentFaustDidIMissAnyoneAsideFromMaybeWa ffleIronIfHeIsWillingToGoToEnglandScotlandWalesIr elandMaybeEvenIsleofMan?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 03:00:34 am
It occurs to me that Dingo was chasing Eris, and she slowed down and let him catch up.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Epimetheus on November 17, 2012, 03:00:44 am
Quote from: the Kids' Club page
Motto: The Motto of both Shamlicht Boys and Shamlicht Girls was “Be Protected
from Everything.”  But upon the merger, the Motto became “Be Prepared for
Anything.”  This proved to be much more useful.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 03:01:41 am
Quote from: the Kids' Club page
Motto: The Motto of both Shamlicht Boys and Shamlicht Girls was “Be Protected
from Everything.”  But upon the merger, the Motto became “Be Prepared for
Anything.”  This proved to be much more useful.

Having looked through the site a bit, that's even creepier than it sounds.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 03:11:59 am
Quote from: the Kids' Club page
Motto: The Motto of both Shamlicht Boys and Shamlicht Girls was “Be Protected
from Everything.”  But upon the merger, the Motto became “Be Prepared for
Anything.”  This proved to be much more useful.

Epi,

Dude, you almost made me destroy my computer there. Offer a warning.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 03:13:28 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

I've decided that in spite of your poor judgment and in spite of what I think about how you treated Nigel and others in the FB group, I'm not writing you off as a person. Everyone fucks up, even people who are otherwise worthwhile. I do think you owe a sincere apology to Nigel and anyone else you treated with a dictatorial hand in a discordian facebook group. Because that shit really DOES reek of Captain Utopia and I don't think you're really like that.

This, of course, will change drastically should my wishes in regards to this site not be respected.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 03:16:52 am
One of the things that bothers me, and one of the reasons I don't want to be in any way associated with that "person", is that it doesn't matter how much I disavow sharing his views, it could affect my ability to get a job working with children or adolescents. "I'm not one of the ones who's into that" doesn't go very far.

In the unlikely event he becomes a public spokesperson for Discordia, and I am identified as associating with Discordians, the same could apply. Luckily that's incredibly improbable.

I am nauseated by the people who are saying "Well, he advocates some objectionable ideas about adults having sex with underage kids, but he's a fellow Discordian". That goes about as far with me as the Catholic Church saying "Well, he fondled a few altar boys, but he's a prominent figure in the Church" or the BBC saying "Well, he raped a few teenage girls, but his show gets good ratings".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 17, 2012, 03:22:40 am
I am also pretty irritated that I got my ass jumped in his group just for ASKING whether it was true that Loveshade was involved, and a ton of assumptions poured onto my question, including that I was giving an ultimatum, which I never fucking did, but was Dingo putting words in my mouth. And THEN I was banned, while I was away at classes, without a chance to finish my end of the conversation or to defend myself from the accusation that I was somehow trying to "control" Dingo's project.

The Cult of Loveshade.  :vom:
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Um, Dingo, that was an interesting way of wording that.

Pretty noncommittal, I agree.

There's some really fucked up shit down this rabbit hole.

http://www.loveshade.org/

"The Loveshade Family Blog"?

Loveshade FAMILY?

Spahn Ranch redux.  :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 17, 2012, 03:27:26 am
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew

I can't find a projectile vomit gif that lives up to this.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 17, 2012, 03:31:19 am
http://discordia.loveshade.org/church/index.html

Ew ew ew

HE HAS A KIDS' CLUB. :vom: :vom: :vom:

Click it.  The first hotlink won't take you there, it takes you to an intro page.

You just THINK you feel ill right now.

hxxp://discordia.loveshade.org/ek-sen-trik-kuh/bodyshake.html
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 17, 2012, 03:34:28 am
There's some really fucked up shit down this rabbit hole.

http://www.loveshade.org/

Why's this dude got so many websites?

It's very.....


There's a lot of adjectives running through my head right now.

http://loveshade.org/blog/love_and_sex/  <--- Don't click that.  No shit.

Too late.  :x
http://loveshade.org/blog/2011/03/to_hug_to_pinch_to_pat_or_not_1.html#more
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 03:35:53 am
No thanks, I've seen more than enough.  I'm more than slightly disgusted.

But any doubts I may have had are now gone forever.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 17, 2012, 03:40:48 am
Indeed.

:vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 04:04:39 am


I've decided that in spite of your poor judgment and in spite of what I think about how you treated Nigel and others in the FB group, I'm not writing you off as a person.

You're a better person than I am.

Dingo's a fucktard.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 17, 2012, 04:14:25 am
I'm happy to address a few points here and there, to clarify but I'm for the must part not going to take a great deal of time to talk in this particular thread, as it's clearly not of use to me as an organising thread.

1. In terms of what I write, I do intend to make explicit that I and Discordia at large are opposed to and appalled by paedophilia/hebephilia (sp?). There've been some completely legitimate concerns regarding the possible implication of others being OK with that, to the point that I agree it needs to be made explicit. I think I want to expand on this soon, and will cross post it.

2. I agree in terms of my actions in terms of the FB group. I had thought I had said as much privately to Nigel but I looked over my message and it wasn't really an apology. So, to the four people I took out of the group, I apologise; I'm sorry for the way in which it was done. I am using this page as a trip organiser and will be limiting membership to people who want involvement but the way I went about achieving that was a dick move.

3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.

4. If I take a long time to respond to anyone, it will be because I'm crazy busy moving, marking and getting ready for next year. Not because I'm snubbing. (Twid, I'll hit you back in a few hours)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 04:18:28 am
One of the things that bothers me, and one of the reasons I don't want to be in any way associated with that "person", is that it doesn't matter how much I disavow sharing his views, it could affect my ability to get a job working with children or adolescents. "I'm not one of the ones who's into that" doesn't go very far.

In the unlikely event he becomes a public spokesperson for Discordia, and I am identified as associating with Discordians, the same could apply. Luckily that's incredibly improbable.

I am nauseated by the people who are saying "Well, he advocates some objectionable ideas about adults having sex with underage kids, but he's a fellow Discordian". That goes about as far with me as the Catholic Church saying "Well, he fondled a few altar boys, but he's a prominent figure in the Church" or the BBC saying "Well, he raped a few teenage girls, but his show gets good ratings".

Even when I was a totally Pagan Pagan and not a flirting with Pope Jesus Christian, this applies.

The Roman Catholic Church should disavow and defrock their pedophiles.

I don't see why Eris should not do the same.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 04:27:10 am
Dingo, I would like you to address my concerns, and admit that you're only doing this for journalistic integrity and that everyone who is still involved has been informed and can make a "fuck this guy I'm out" call.

Because I'm sorry.

Every group in the world has a fucking pedophile.

Do we need to point at ours, or should we just kick his ass and put him in jail?


What's his age limit? What jurisdiction does he live in?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 04:49:26 am
Dingo has responded.

My priorities are to return to Ireland. So Faust, English and Scottish and Scandinavian spags:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,33715.0.html

No ill will, but I am no longer tied to New England anymore than I already am, other than the Tucson delegation in spring. Anarchangel is my reason for being in the Northeastern part of the United States. My grandfather and father are my reason to not be in New England.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Phox on November 17, 2012, 04:54:14 am
I'm happy to address a few points here and there, to clarify but I'm for the must part not going to take a great deal of time to talk in this particular thread, as it's clearly not of use to me as an organising thread.

1. In terms of what I write, I do intend to make explicit that I and Discordia at large are opposed to and appalled by paedophilia/hebephilia (sp?). There've been some completely legitimate concerns regarding the possible implication of others being OK with that, to the point that I agree it needs to be made explicit. I think I want to expand on this soon, and will cross post it.

2. I agree in terms of my actions in terms of the FB group. I had thought I had said as much privately to Nigel but I looked over my message and it wasn't really an apology. So, to the four people I took out of the group, I apologise; I'm sorry for the way in which it was done. I am using this page as a trip organiser and will be limiting membership to people who want involvement but the way I went about achieving that was a dick move.

3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.

4. If I take a long time to respond to anyone, it will be because I'm crazy busy moving, marking and getting ready for next year. Not because I'm snubbing. (Twid, I'll hit you back in a few hours)
Oh fuck right the hell off.

I have no vested interest in either your project or in Loveshade. But you know, when you come right out and SAY that anyone who isn't doesn't want to participate is Loveshade is involved should go fuck themselves, that sends a clear signal, don't it? And certainly, YOUR word is going to hold a lot of water after your hypocritical little nonsense, about your real name, yeah?

But I digress. Let me get to the point. You, sir, are the worst kind of snake-oil salesman. You don't actually care about representing "Discordia", you care about something else. Controversy, maybe? Getting the "big" names? Internet famous? Whatever. Doesn't matter. If you wanted to give an accurate portrayal of "modern Discordia", then Loveshade wouldn't be in it, and the rest of those who protested would. You are holding onto one (1) person's contributions, at the risk of losing... 5, 10, 50, 100? At what point is the loss enough?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 05:05:50 am
3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.


That was just me. We were friends on Facebook, but after I saw I was blocked from the group I went to message you and found that we no longer were. I didn't unfriend you, so...
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 05:06:45 am
Let me get to the point. You, sir, are the worst kind of snake-oil salesman. You don't actually care about representing "Discordia", you care about something else. Controversy, maybe? Getting the "big" names? Internet famous? Whatever. Doesn't matter. If you wanted to give an accurate portrayal of "modern Discordia", then Loveshade wouldn't be in it, and the rest of those who protested would. You are holding onto one (1) person's contributions, at the risk of losing... 5, 10, 50, 100? At what point is the loss enough?

Yanno, I hate to say it, Dingo, but Phox nailed it.

This is like asking Cardinal Law to represent the Catholic Church.

We don't know that HE is a pedophile. We just know that HE defended THEM.

And yes, I just made it local.

Because as bollocks as it is, I will always be a Bostonian. And I will always be a former Catholic.

But.

You can only shift around so much. Does "Father" John Geoghan represent Catholicism?

Would you interview him if he was murdered in retribution in jail?

Is the late/too early "Father" Geoghan a representation of Roman Catholicism?




Because, even though I'm just playing with Catholicism, I will not tolerate misrepresentative bullshit.

I will not tolerate painting priests as kiddie fuckers.





I will not tolerate Discordians being loveshaded.

See what I did there?


Write what you want.


Twid,
Bostonian. Catholic. Discordian. Worked with a Geoghan victim.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 05:09:54 am
PS. thanks for the open dialogue about this sensitive subject in advance of it becoming an issue.  :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 17, 2012, 05:34:18 am
Dingo, I would like you to address my concerns, and admit that you're only doing this for journalistic integrity and that everyone who is still involved has been informed and can make a "fuck this guy I'm out" call.

Because I'm sorry.

Every group in the world has a fucking pedophile.

Do we need to point at ours, or should we just kick his ass and put him in jail?


What's his age limit? What jurisdiction does he live in?

Right now I'm busy, but posting to say I will address this.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 07:58:17 am
Dingo, I would like you to address my concerns, and admit that you're only doing this for journalistic integrity and that everyone who is still involved has been informed and can make a "fuck this guy I'm out" call.

Because I'm sorry.

Every group in the world has a fucking pedophile.

Do we need to point at ours, or should we just kick his ass and put him in jail?


What's his age limit? What jurisdiction does he live in?

Right now I'm busy, but posting to say I will address this.

Thank you.

Because I like you on a personal level, but I honestly think you're damaging your project at this point, and I would hate to see you cut out a big chunk of Discordia in order to represent an insignificant chunk.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 08:13:58 am
PS. thanks for the open dialogue about this sensitive subject in advance of it becoming an issue.  :lol:

It was only a matter of time wasn't it?

I mean, it's not like pedophilia is a notoriously big deal among a majority religious population in a historically and politically significant city in one of the most significant nation-states in the past couple of centuries, right?

Again, not trying to be a jerk, but ah... shit's getting dredged up right now, and I was never buggered by a collared man.

Twid,
Getting angry
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Phox on November 17, 2012, 08:52:49 am
PS. thanks for the open dialogue about this sensitive subject in advance of it becoming an issue.  :lol:

It was only a matter of time wasn't it?

I mean, it's not like pedophilia is a notoriously big deal among a majority religious population in a historically and politically significant city in one of the most significant nation-states in the past couple of centuries, right?

Again, not trying to be a jerk, but ah... shit's getting dredged up right now, and I was never buggered by a collared man.

Twid,
Getting angry
Uh, I think that she was talking about Dingo's handling of this whole thing, not your comment, Twid.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 17, 2012, 09:17:15 am
PS. thanks for the open dialogue about this sensitive subject in advance of it becoming an issue.  :lol:

It was only a matter of time wasn't it?

I mean, it's not like pedophilia is a notoriously big deal among a majority religious population in a historically and politically significant city in one of the most significant nation-states in the past couple of centuries, right?

Again, not trying to be a jerk, but ah... shit's getting dredged up right now, and I was never buggered by a collared man.

Twid,
Getting angry
Uh, I think that she was talking about Dingo's handling of this whole thing, not your comment, Twid.

Needed to be said either way.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 17, 2012, 09:23:11 am
One of the things that bothers me, and one of the reasons I don't want to be in any way associated with that "person", is that it doesn't matter how much I disavow sharing his views, it could affect my ability to get a job working with children or adolescents. "I'm not one of the ones who's into that" doesn't go very far.

In the unlikely event he becomes a public spokesperson for Discordia, and I am identified as associating with Discordians, the same could apply. Luckily that's incredibly improbable.

I am nauseated by the people who are saying "Well, he advocates some objectionable ideas about adults having sex with underage kids, but he's a fellow Discordian". That goes about as far with me as the Catholic Church saying "Well, he fondled a few altar boys, but he's a prominent figure in the Church" or the BBC saying "Well, he raped a few teenage girls, but his show gets good ratings".
IAWTC

I'm hoping to get into counselling or some kind of work with women's refuges or rape crisis centres, later down the line. I can't be involved without calling out this shit. If I call out this shit, it has the same effect as Twid's reference to a book on Norwegian metal.  Which is a shame, because the culture jamming aspect and how that fed into my feminism is something I really would have enjoyed doing an interview on.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 03:26:45 pm
Y'know, guys, if you're really and truly interested in changing Dingo's mind and/or convincing the other people participating in the project to adopt your stance on this issue...perhaps your tactics need a little revision? I understand why Nigel has jumped straight to "FUCK THE FUCK YOU" mode because of being kicked from the FB group but all I see from anyone else here in communications to that group is a bunch of "hard-line one-liners" and what amounts to essentially dictating your terms to someone. which, of course, you have every right to do but which also does not make anybody want to really give much of a shit about what you're saying.

Just some food for thought from someone who really DOES think this project could be really cool and worthwhile and is having seemingly much better results on the FB group using calm and reason. Also someone who grows increasing annoyed with PD's tendency to climb up on a soapbox and stay there no matter what.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 03:57:42 pm
3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.


That was just me. We were friends on Facebook, but after I saw I was blocked from the group I went to message you and found that we no longer were. I didn't unfriend you, so...

Same here.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 03:59:27 pm
Y'know, guys, if you're really and truly interested in changing Dingo's mind and/or convincing the other people participating in the project to adopt your stance on this issue...perhaps your tactics need a little revision? I understand why Nigel has jumped straight to "FUCK THE FUCK YOU" mode because of being kicked from the FB group but all I see from anyone else here in communications to that group is a bunch of "hard-line one-liners" and what amounts to essentially dictating your terms to someone. which, of course, you have every right to do but which also does not make anybody want to really give much of a shit about what you're saying.

Just some food for thought from someone who really DOES think this project could be really cool and worthwhile and is having seemingly much better results on the FB group using calm and reason. Also someone who grows increasing annoyed with PD's tendency to climb up on a soapbox and stay there no matter what.

Fucker's hated me since the day he showed up.  So, yeah, I'm doing a little dance.

The idea isn't BAD, but the person executing it IS.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on November 17, 2012, 04:25:03 pm
3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.


That was just me. We were friends on Facebook, but after I saw I was blocked from the group I went to message you and found that we no longer were. I didn't unfriend you, so...

Same here.
You automatically unfriend people when you block them, I think.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2012, 04:33:45 pm
3. I have not and do not intend to unfriend anyone on Facebook. I suspect some of the people accusing me of doing so were never connected to me on Facebook to begin with. It's petty, passive aggressive behaviour, and I don't indulge in it.


That was just me. We were friends on Facebook, but after I saw I was blocked from the group I went to message you and found that we no longer were. I didn't unfriend you, so...

Same here.
You automatically unfriend people when you block them, I think.

No, he unfriended me, so I blocked him.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Juana on November 17, 2012, 05:04:15 pm
I would personally be willing to come back to the project if Loveshade were booted. Frankly, I can't even figure out what he's contributed - sure, he's a big name in Discordia, but he doesn't seem to have gotten there in his own merit. I'm guessing you feel you have to include him? What do you gain from legitimizing his creeper ass and associating him with the rest of us with him. I don't want to risk it. Nigel can't afford it. Pixie can't afford it. Who else can't afford it? If you're going to go back to teaching, can you afford it?
Aside from losing you way more people to interview, like LMNO said, I'd like to be able to plug this to other people and I will refuse to if LS is included. Including him loses you people who would help get you a broader audience.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 07:29:08 pm
PS. thanks for the open dialogue about this sensitive subject in advance of it becoming an issue.  :lol:

It was only a matter of time wasn't it?

I mean, it's not like pedophilia is a notoriously big deal among a majority religious population in a historically and politically significant city in one of the most significant nation-states in the past couple of centuries, right?

Again, not trying to be a jerk, but ah... shit's getting dredged up right now, and I was never buggered by a collared man.

Twid,
Getting angry
Uh, I think that she was talking about Dingo's handling of this whole thing, not your comment, Twid.

I was, and it was tongue in cheek.

However, in all seriousness, I appreciate Twid's input a great deal, because I do agree with his analogy.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 07:39:59 pm
I would personally be willing to come back to the project if Loveshade were booted. Frankly, I can't even figure out what he's contributed - sure, he's a big name in Discordia, but he doesn't seem to have gotten there in his own merit. I'm guessing you feel you have to include him? What do you gain from legitimizing his creeper ass and associating him with the rest of us with him. I don't want to risk it. Nigel can't afford it. Pixie can't afford it. Who else can't afford it? If you're going to go back to teaching, can you afford it?
Aside from losing you way more people to interview, like LMNO said, I'd like to be able to plug this to other people and I will refuse to if LS is included. Including him loses you people who would help get you a broader audience.

I don't think I would, personally, because I don't trust Dingo anymore. It bums me out because it sounded like a good project, but after the way he handled it and treated me I am really leery.

And, frankly, I don't think it's worth my time to participate in a project that claims to represent Discordia but is perfectly fine with leaving Roger out. In my mind that's sort of like a project on Discordia that disregards Kerry Thornley. Because, love him or hate him, the reality is that unlike Loveshade, Roger is one of the most prolific writers and contributers in Discordian history. Anyone claiming to write about Discordia who willingly leaves him out is, in my opinion, hopelessly dishonest, because he's worth at least 500 Loveshades.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 07:54:06 pm
I agree with all of that. But I think the basic idea of the project is cool enough that it's worth doing a little politicking in order to interject some reason into the dialogue.

Alternately....it might be worth doing our own version if Dingo insists on including Loveshade at the expense of dozens of other potential contributors.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 08:21:16 pm
I agree with all of that. But I think the basic idea of the project is cool enough that it's worth doing a little politicking in order to interject some reason into the dialogue.

Alternately....it might be worth doing our own version if Dingo insists on including Loveshade at the expense of dozens of other potential contributors.

Yes, it would. Plus, a good way to make a public distinction between the Loveshade cult and Discordianism.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 17, 2012, 08:30:52 pm
I agree with all of that. But I think the basic idea of the project is cool enough that it's worth doing a little politicking in order to interject some reason into the dialogue.

Alternately....it might be worth doing our own version if Dingo insists on including Loveshade at the expense of dozens of other potential contributors.

Yes, it would. Plus, a good way to make a public distinction between the Loveshade cult and Discordianism.

This. And what Nigel said about Roger.

Who the fuck actually reads Loveshade, anyway?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 08:40:33 pm
I think it's mostly the kind of people who have mistaken discordianism as a synonym for being a hippie. Also, pedos.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 08:45:04 pm
I agree with all of that. But I think the basic idea of the project is cool enough that it's worth doing a little politicking in order to interject some reason into the dialogue.

Alternately....it might be worth doing our own version if Dingo insists on including Loveshade at the expense of dozens of other potential contributors.

Yes, it would. Plus, a good way to make a public distinction between the Loveshade cult and Discordianism.

This. And what Nigel said about Roger.

Who the fuck actually reads Loveshade, anyway?

NOBODY. He's never actually written anything that I'm aware of. Although he was trying, years ago, to get listed in Wikipedia as an "important Discordian Author" for that book that Miley Spears came here to pimp, which she claimed just came out last month... so either she's lying, or he is, and it really doesn't matter which.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 08:53:47 pm
I thought he wrote the Eksentrikuh Discordia, though it wouldn't surprise me at all if he didn't and just tried to get everyone to think he did.

I haven't read it myself, for the obvious reason that Loveshade wrote it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 09:14:42 pm
I thought he wrote the Eksentrikuh Discordia, though it wouldn't surprise me at all if he didn't and just tried to get everyone to think he did.

I haven't read it myself, for the obvious reason that Loveshade wrote it.

That's the book I'm talking about. Except apparently it's a collection of stories written by the underage girls in his harem kid's club. And according to Miley Spears, it ONLY JUST NOW CAME OUT, although Shady's been pimping it as an "important published Discordian work" for years.

One way or the other, somebody's lying.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 09:19:38 pm
http://shii.org/knows/Discordianism

Quote
I had an argument with the "Rev." Loveshade in 2006 over whether his books should be included in Wikipedia as Discordian canon. In the course of that argument several other Erisians popped up to cast shame on me for mocking their perversion of Discordianism. In the end I had to get some outside Wikipedians to come in and outnumber them before Loveshade's stuff could be removed from the article. One of the arguments he used was that he was the predominant Discordian of the day and he had written the introduction to the current edition of the P.D. as well as authored various other shitty vanity press books which somehow constituted modern Discordian thought, so I became disgusted with their ilk in general.

You can look at the Wikipedia page history and see that one of the books he had listed was the E. D. Which Miley just pimped as NEVER BEFORE AVAILABLE.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on November 17, 2012, 09:24:55 pm
I've been casually following this project and while I'm not directly involved I would like to add something.  It seems to me that the issue here is that Dingo wants this project to maintain a certain level of integrity.  I can understand that.  I can understand the desire to show Discordia in its raw form. 

The issue I see is that this project is not really DINGO's project...not anymore.   This isn't a bad thing.  Actually, it's sort of the way projects tend to come about. Dingo initiated the project but now that it has (had?) a life of it's own it's taken its own level of autonomy.

Dingo's work, as an initiator, would be to know when to step into the process and when to get out of it's way.  In this case, it seems to be the later. 

I think that this is the current struggle with Dingo and it's a learning experience.  I don't think this is really about trust but so much as watching the manifestation of an internal conflict.

The project will be what it will be...and how it comes out is how it comes out.  Dingo, i think, at this point, your role is more like someone guiding a ship on a current than someone driving a car...if that makes any sense.   
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 09:27:47 pm
It occurs to me that it's a little odd that Shii does not appear to be on the list of important Discordians that Dingo tried to contact for an interview. Seems like a primary person who helped to define Discordianism for the masses might be a contender in terms of "influence" before a guy who has essentially made a name for himself by being odiously self-promoting. Speaking of which, I certainly hope Ben Mack is on his list, as he is undoubtedly more influential in Discordia than Shady is.  :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 09:54:28 pm
I just came here to post the link to that Shii Knows page and am thrilled to see that someone beat me to it. :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 10:03:02 pm
I also want to say that I think it's possible that Shady could have been included in the project in some form, as well as many or all of the people who have dropped out to avoid association with him, IF Dingo had shown the maturity and forethought to open a dialogue about it to get a sense of how the community feels about including him as a representative of modern Discordia. But the way it played out seems premeditatedly heavy-handed, and I feel manipulated. Especially by the whole claim that by dropping out I'm trying to "dictate" to him how he runs his project.

In addition, I have heard that he said that Roger and I "conspired" to ruin his project, which is straight-up bullshit. As is evident in this very thread by the post Roger bumped, he dropped out months ago because Shady was being included, and I missed that fine point entirely until it came up recently, independently, in the Miley thread. At which point I went to Dingo's FB page and ASKED whether that was true, which is where this whole kerfuffle started. So I am feeling slighted by Dingo on a number of levels, and I feel that his apology was disingenuous, which adds another reason that I have no desire to collaborate with him in any way on anything.

If someone else wants to do an interview book on modern Discordian writers and thinkers, I'd be happy to participate, although I am going to say that I think it's unnecessary, as history will do a perfectly good job of determining that for itself and I think my efforts are better spent on other ongoing projects, such as BIP 2012 or one that I've been contemplating moving forward on.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 17, 2012, 10:48:15 pm
I just dropped that Shii link at the Chasing Eris page on FB and Swabey countered by informing me that Shii apparently credited Loveshade with writing the Apocrypha? If so, that's pretty fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: AFK on November 17, 2012, 10:50:58 pm
I don't have the time to be involved with this at all but Loveshade being involved definitely gives me more reason to not be involved.  He's an arrogant, self-important prick, and that's before you even bring his ideas around sexuality and kids into the mix. 


The concept seems cool.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 11:14:48 pm
I just dropped that Shii link at the Chasing Eris page on FB and Swabey countered by informing me that Shii apparently credited Loveshade with writing the Apocrypha? If so, that's pretty fucking retarded.

Where did he credit him? I'm sure that Shii would want to know his mistake, given that he loathes Shady.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 11:17:21 pm
I think it's fascinating that so many other people who have said they won't be participating have not been kicked out of the group, in contradiction to what Dingo said about his reasons for banning me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 17, 2012, 11:35:52 pm
I think it's fascinating that so many other people who have said they won't be participating have not been kicked out of the group, in contradiction to what Dingo said about his reasons for banning me.

I'm booted from the group but I see Dingo hasn't unfriended me.

Going to fix that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 17, 2012, 11:47:49 pm
I think it's fascinating that so many other people who have said they won't be participating have not been kicked out of the group, in contradiction to what Dingo said about his reasons for banning me.

I'm booted from the group but I see Dingo hasn't unfriended me.

Going to fix that.

I guess he only kicked the people he was maddest at. :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2012, 01:09:06 am
I would personally be willing to come back to the project if Loveshade were booted. Frankly, I can't even figure out what he's contributed - sure, he's a big name in Discordia, but he doesn't seem to have gotten there in his own merit. I'm guessing you feel you have to include him? What do you gain from legitimizing his creeper ass and associating him with the rest of us with him. I don't want to risk it. Nigel can't afford it. Pixie can't afford it. Who else can't afford it? If you're going to go back to teaching, can you afford it?
Aside from losing you way more people to interview, like LMNO said, I'd like to be able to plug this to other people and I will refuse to if LS is included. Including him loses you people who would help get you a broader audience.

I don't think I would, personally, because I don't trust Dingo anymore. It bums me out because it sounded like a good project, but after the way he handled it and treated me I am really leery.

And, frankly, I don't think it's worth my time to participate in a project that claims to represent Discordia but is perfectly fine with leaving Roger out. In my mind that's sort of like a project on Discordia that disregards Kerry Thornley. Because, love him or hate him, the reality is that unlike Loveshade, Roger is one of the most prolific writers and contributers in Discordian history. Anyone claiming to write about Discordia who willingly leaves him out is, in my opinion, hopelessly dishonest, because he's worth at least 500 Loveshades.

 :oops:

I love you guys.

You know, my way.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 02:17:26 am
I would personally be willing to come back to the project if Loveshade were booted. Frankly, I can't even figure out what he's contributed - sure, he's a big name in Discordia, but he doesn't seem to have gotten there in his own merit. I'm guessing you feel you have to include him? What do you gain from legitimizing his creeper ass and associating him with the rest of us with him. I don't want to risk it. Nigel can't afford it. Pixie can't afford it. Who else can't afford it? If you're going to go back to teaching, can you afford it?
Aside from losing you way more people to interview, like LMNO said, I'd like to be able to plug this to other people and I will refuse to if LS is included. Including him loses you people who would help get you a broader audience.

I don't think I would, personally, because I don't trust Dingo anymore. It bums me out because it sounded like a good project, but after the way he handled it and treated me I am really leery.

And, frankly, I don't think it's worth my time to participate in a project that claims to represent Discordia but is perfectly fine with leaving Roger out. In my mind that's sort of like a project on Discordia that disregards Kerry Thornley. Because, love him or hate him, the reality is that unlike Loveshade, Roger is one of the most prolific writers and contributers in Discordian history. Anyone claiming to write about Discordia who willingly leaves him out is, in my opinion, hopelessly dishonest, because he's worth at least 500 Loveshades.

 :oops:

I love you guys.

You know, my way.

D'AWWWW!  :scared:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 18, 2012, 03:03:29 am
I think it's fascinating that so many other people who have said they won't be participating have not been kicked out of the group, in contradiction to what Dingo said about his reasons for banning me.

I'm booted from the group but I see Dingo hasn't unfriended me.

Going to fix that.

I guess he only kicked the people he was maddest at. :lol:

Dammit, I need to work harder.  :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 04:58:30 am
I just dropped that Shii link at the Chasing Eris page on FB and Swabey countered by informing me that Shii apparently credited Loveshade with writing the Apocrypha? If so, that's pretty fucking retarded.

Where did he credit him? I'm sure that Shii would want to know his mistake, given that he loathes Shady.

Right in that article. His hyperlink to the "shitty vanity press book" that loveshade wrote links to the Apocrypha. I'd send him a scathing email but apparently he's so sure of everything he writes on that site that he doesn't bother providing a way to contact him.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 07:36:41 am
Also, he's apparently a libertard Paulbot. That makes him only barely better than Loveshade.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 07:40:52 am
Huh, things I didn't know.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 18, 2012, 09:06:15 am
Roger is welcome to participate as is anyone else, so I feel it's a bit disingenous to say I'm 'perfectly fine with leaving Roger out.' I spoke to Roger regarding Loveshade in late August, and it wasn't a dealbreaker at the time. I spoke again two months later in October when he told me he wouldn't be participating, and it was clear to me that this wasn't contingent on my changing my project, and that is wasn't related to LS.

Re; the group, as I said, I handelled it badly at the time, immediately pulling out the four people who announced they wouldn't intend to be participating any more in that LS thread. I had a little freakout, stressing about the group collapsing into drama, and made a poor snap judgment. There's two people in the group now that I'm aware of who have let me know they definately will not be taking part, but rather than making the same mistake repeatedly for the sake of consistency, it seems like less drama and upset to ask those individuals to take themselves out of the group when they're ready.

I do not suspect that any of the troubles I've had over the course of the project are the result of a conspiracy of any form, and haven't suggested as much to anyone.

I'll definitely be contacting Shii, thank you. [Edit: If possible]

Also, Nigel I know you're not telling me that your participation is contingent on my leaving Loveshade out. But others were, so the comments specific to that, were meant for the people to whom they applied, not as an insult to you personally.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 18, 2012, 10:14:58 am
Crosspost from Group, as per Twid's request

Context and my position regarding recent drama.

There's been a bit of a stress out recently regarding a figure known as Reverend Loveshade.

For those unfamiliar, Reverend Loveshade is controvercial for two things

1. He has made several comments or allusions to children in sexual contexts, seriously arguing against existing age of conscent laws and producing writing that makes references to youth sexuality (though some of this, such as the 'kids club' seems possibly intended as parody).

2. He has personally upset a huge number of Discordians. The first two of my subjects have said that they each have had credit for their hard work taken by Loveshade, and they are by no means the only ones.

My position is this; Loveshade, deserving or not, is a well known figure who identifies as Discordian. Two of my subjects to date have been personally affected by Loveshade. It would be dishonest of me to simply pretend that he does not exist.

I am not creating a Public Relations document to promote Discordia. I am endevoring to take a snapshot of Discordia as it manifests today. This means showing all aspects.

I have completed a short Q+A with Loveshade, and as with any other interview or communication, I will work out how much, if any, of it I will use towards the end. If your participation is contingent on making this descision for me, I'm afraid that's not something I'm comfortable with.

What I can assure

- I will explicitly point out that Loveshade's views do not reflect the views of Discordians at large, or the other participants in the project.

-I am not writing to give an unlimited speakers corner to Loveshade or any other participant. I am offering an onging commentary alongside the narrative, and I am happy to point out things that make me or the Discordian community at large uncomfortable.

You are welcome to have your own discussions around this, but please tag me if you have any specific questions.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 18, 2012, 12:28:39 pm
I am offering an onging commentary alongside the narrative, and I am happy to point out things that make me or the Discordian community at large uncomfortable.

You've made it about Loveshade, rather than Discordia. You've allowed your subjective decision that he's a part of "the community" to take precedence over how the larger community actually feels about him. Is that people dictating what you should do, or you dictating how the community ought to feel?

Why don't you take a seat right over there?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 03:54:52 pm
 :lol: At this point he's just digging in his heels and screeching, because he won't be told what to do. Regardless of how the Discordian community feels about things. He made a decision and he's going to stick with it through hell or high water, because pride.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2012, 04:24:33 pm
Fuck that, Dingo, on account of two things.

1.  Loveshade is not part of our community.  He is a leech and a Manson wannabe, and while that might qualify him for YOUR Discordianism, it doesn't for mine, and...

2.  I have no urge to participate, due to both #1 above, plus the fact that you don't particularly like me and never have, and as a result, I don't particularly like you.  While I might rant because I HAVE to, I choose to rant HERE because I LIKE most people here, and I don't care one way or the other about the rest.  You can do without my shit.  You have Loveshade, after all, and his "Shamlicht Boys and Girls Club".

Also, you aren't going to convince many people here.  Not that you're really trying...What you're repeating over and over again is this:  "You may all come back on my terms now, if you wish", neverminding that one of your terms is unacceptable to anyone with a single scruple to their name (ie, the inclusion of Loveshade).  Accepting that people won't work with him, and then deciding which way to go afterward is one thing, saying that anyone who won't do your bidding is "trying to take editorial control" is quite another.

It's very simple:  You have to choose between A) Loveshade, and B) Many of the people complaining, if not all.

Also, I've never been happy about Loveshade being included, so don't act like I was.  Asshole.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 05:23:02 pm
Roger is welcome to participate as is anyone else, so I feel it's a bit disingenous to say I'm 'perfectly fine with leaving Roger out.' I spoke to Roger regarding Loveshade in late August, and it wasn't a dealbreaker at the time. I spoke again two months later in October when he told me he wouldn't be participating, and it was clear to me that this wasn't contingent on my changing my project, and that is wasn't related to LS.

Re; the group, as I said, I handelled it badly at the time, immediately pulling out the four people who announced they wouldn't intend to be participating any more in that LS thread. I had a little freakout, stressing about the group collapsing into drama, and made a poor snap judgment. There's two people in the group now that I'm aware of who have let me know they definately will not be taking part, but rather than making the same mistake repeatedly for the sake of consistency, it seems like less drama and upset to ask those individuals to take themselves out of the group when they're ready.

I do not suspect that any of the troubles I've had over the course of the project are the result of a conspiracy of any form, and haven't suggested as much to anyone.

I'll definitely be contacting Shii, thank you. [Edit: If possible]

Also, Nigel I know you're not telling me that your participation is contingent on my leaving Loveshade out. But others were, so the comments specific to that, were meant for the people to whom they applied, not as an insult to you personally.

Turns out, Shii is a Libertardian Paulbot. So that works out well, you'll really be doing great job of representing what Discordia is all about. Enjoy your 3 seconds of internet fame among the worst examples of a tiny and obscure subculture. And enjoy knowing that any outsider who does stumble across your work comes away with exactly the wrong impression of what Discordia is all about.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 05:41:14 pm
I have to say, something else that I find kind of insulting, not personally but more generally, is his "all of you are disposable" attitude. It makes my skin crawl. It's like he has too much pride to just say, "OK, here are some really key figures and it's important that I include them if at all possible, how can I make that happen?" Instead, the attitude he has presented has been that Loveshade is too important to leave out, and the rest of us are disposable. It seems really arrogant and belittling. How hard is it to just say, "Hey, you're important, and it's important to me to include you, can we work this out?"
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 06:02:18 pm
I've been trying to overlook that aspect because I don't want to interject my own ego into the dialogue, but yeah, that is pretty shitty.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 18, 2012, 06:58:24 pm
Sacrificing the best people in order to include Loveshade is retarded anyway. This thing is going to suck. [/obvious]
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 07:08:06 pm
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 07:08:21 pm
Either that or just fuck it, complete schism.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 07:10:43 pm
SCHISM!

DESTROY THE HERETICS!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Cain on November 18, 2012, 07:11:14 pm
I suggest we call our schism The Really Fake Discordians (for Fakeness).
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 07:18:16 pm
I was thinking something more subtle. Like "Discrodians".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 07:22:35 pm
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 07:25:38 pm
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.



Yeah, that's kind of my thinking on the matter. Plus, our version will obviously be better since it won't be leaving out half of the more active discordians. And there's no reason we can't include some (or even most) of the people from Dingo's version.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 07:26:26 pm
I do like the idea of being a Fake Discordian. :lol: It adds another layer of convoluted to the "it's a joke disguised as a religion or a religion disguised as a joke".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 07:31:57 pm
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.



Yeah, that's kind of my thinking on the matter. Plus, our version will obviously be better since it won't be leaving out half of the more active discordians. And there's no reason we can't include some (or even most) of the people from Dingo's version.

Good point. And, we could do it collaboratively as a series of email interviews; each participant could be matched up with another participant whom they then interview.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 07:36:15 pm
Yeah, I'm really starting to think we should do our own version with an explicit disclaimer as to why.

On one hand, I don't really want to give it that much legitimacy, but on the other hand, I'd rather distance Discordia from Loveshade than have to distance myself from Discordia because we didn't.



Yeah, that's kind of my thinking on the matter. Plus, our version will obviously be better since it won't be leaving out half of the more active discordians. And there's no reason we can't include some (or even most) of the people from Dingo's version.

Good point. And, we could do it collaboratively as a series of email interviews; each participant could be matched up with another participant whom they then interview.

I love that idea, particularly because it eliminates the possibility of someone falling into the trap of deciding THEY get to decide who does or doesn't represent Discordia. (cough cough Dingo cough cough).
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 09:14:13 pm
I just chatted with Dingo a bit. While I still feel very strongly that he's making a terrible error in judgment, I also think I'm being a little more of a dick than is necessary towards someone who, however misguided, is spending a fair amount of time and effort to do something for Discordia. So while I'm still very insistent that PD.com not be tied to his project in any way, and I still very much think that we should do our own collaborative version of this, I'm considering going to one of the east coast meetups and participating. My primary reasoning is that there will be people who read his finished work that won't ever come across ours and I'd rather be an advocate for my version of Discordia (in spite of my feelings about how the project is being put together) than have that voice left out of something that may shape peoples' view of what we're all about in the future.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2012, 11:54:09 pm
I am confused about how you can participate without PD being associated with it, since you kind of, you know, own it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 18, 2012, 11:57:15 pm
I had thought of that. Thankfully, I have plenty of time to decide if I actually do want to be involved and if so, how to do so on a personal level without involving PD.com.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2012, 12:00:46 am
I'm confused, but it's your decision to make.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 19, 2012, 01:41:11 pm
Perhaps I'm being a bit too subjective here, but if PD isn't involved, that sort of cuts out an aspect of Discordia that has actually made more advancements in the ideas first laid out.  The Strife Eris, the BIP, Horrormirth, UNLIMITED DATA, Intermittens, the party at limbo peak, the CTC, Spiders, PILLZ HERE, The Machine™, SSOOKN, Shrapnel, Common Walls, The New Devil's Dictionary, the political A-Z, the bridges of Portland, and TUCSON.  All left out.


And what do you get in it's place?  A guy who advocates sex with teens, and falsely claims attribution for others' works.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 01:46:19 pm
Perhaps I'm being a bit too subjective here, but if PD isn't involved, that sort of cuts out an aspect of Discordia that has actually made more advancements in the ideas first laid out.  The Strife Eris, the BIP, Horrormirth, UNLIMITED DATA, Intermittens, the party at limbo peak, the CTC, Spiders, PILLZ HERE, The Machine™, SSOOKN, Shrapnel, Common Walls, The New Devil's Dictionary, the political A-Z, the bridges of Portland, and TUCSON.  All left out.


And what do you get in it's place?  A guy who advocates sex with teens, and falsely claims attribution for others' works.
Easy.  Placid Dingo's work doesn't represent Discordia.  It represents one person, really.

We can do our own.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2012, 04:29:29 pm
Hey Roger, did you ever notice that you are listed as a contributer to Lovesahde's book?

Toward the bottom, fifth last name:  http://23ae.com/author/reverend-loveshade/ (http://23ae.com/author/reverend-loveshade/)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on November 19, 2012, 04:46:10 pm
Im not sure why i never noticed this before but there's a Shamlicht kids club article in the InterMittens 7. 

Just saying...since we're worried about being associated and all.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/InterMittens-7-OM.pdf

Page 4. 

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 04:59:15 pm
Hey Roger, did you ever notice that you are listed as a contributer to Lovesahde's book?

Toward the bottom, fifth last name:  http://23ae.com/author/reverend-loveshade/ (http://23ae.com/author/reverend-loveshade/)

Can't see that from here.

This is going to get really, really ugly.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 04:59:59 pm
Can someone expost?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on November 19, 2012, 05:05:40 pm


Esteemed Contributors

We would love to be able to give a free copy of Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia: The Tales of Shamlicht to everyone who contributed, but as you can see from the long list below that would not be practical.  However, if you are on the following list, you can receive a special discount for a book if you buy through Amazon.com!  Just send us an email with the name you used to contribute to:

edcheap@loveshade.org

We will assume you want your Amazon.com discount sent to the email you use to contact us unless you tell us otherwise.

If your name isn’t on this list, contact us anyway!  We might have accidentally left your name off and might even be feeling generous.  Unlike Pat Robertson, we aren’t perfect.

Adam Gorightly, Alan Moore, Al Barger, Alden Loveshade, Alien, Anonymous Lifeform, Ashibaka aka Shii, Bellydancer Upyours, Binky the WonderSkull, BloodStar, Brother Femtomoment, Brother Kob, Bumper Bunny, Captain ‘Sesame Seed’ Rogers, C. S. Martin & Steve Lewis, Danacasso, Dorian Jack (family), Dr. Isaac Clarke, Dr. Octopussy, Dr. Sinister Craven, Emily Sander aka Zoey Zane (family), Fairy Princess Yoshikyoko, Gamemaster Loveshade, Greg Hill (family), Herr Bookmonger, His Wholiness the Rev. DrJon, Icarus 23, John Wilkes Harvey Oswald, Kerry Thornley (family), Lani Lina Lian Lain, Max Flax Beeblewax, Miley Ray Cyrus, Miley Spears, Nixie Nurita, Nurse Devine Stripling, Paco the Fruit Bat, Perlie the Pony Girl, Pope Higgins, Pope Hilde, Princess Unicornia, Professor Cramulus, Professor Mu-Chao, R. Crumb, Reverend Loveshade, Rev. Ivan Stang, Reverend Jason ‘Pee Kitty’ Levine, Robert Anton Wilson (family), Saint The Mary, Sister Hooter, Sister Lorraine of Fairy Tree, S. John Ross aka Pope Leo, Sondra London, Sparky Newberg, St. Verbatim, TawTew the Naturally Perfumed, The Good Reverend Roger, Toby Bruno, Untroubled Teen, Zeus, Xists.

This offer will expire at the End of the World at midnight Dec. 21, 2012!  If the world doesn’t end then, you have until midnight Pat Pineapple Day, Jan. 18, 2013!  So claim your discount now!

Anonymous Lifeforms reporting for Reverend Loveshade
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 05:06:28 pm


Esteemed Contributors

We would love to be able to give a free copy of Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia: The Tales of Shamlicht to everyone who contributed, but as you can see from the long list below that would not be practical.  However, if you are on the following list, you can receive a special discount for a book if you buy through Amazon.com!  Just send us an email with the name you used to contribute to:

edcheap@loveshade.org

We will assume you want your Amazon.com discount sent to the email you use to contact us unless you tell us otherwise.

If your name isn’t on this list, contact us anyway!  We might have accidentally left your name off and might even be feeling generous.  Unlike Pat Robertson, we aren’t perfect.

Adam Gorightly, Alan Moore, Al Barger, Alden Loveshade, Alien, Anonymous Lifeform, Ashibaka aka Shii, Bellydancer Upyours, Binky the WonderSkull, BloodStar, Brother Femtomoment, Brother Kob, Bumper Bunny, Captain ‘Sesame Seed’ Rogers, C. S. Martin & Steve Lewis, Danacasso, Dorian Jack (family), Dr. Isaac Clarke, Dr. Octopussy, Dr. Sinister Craven, Emily Sander aka Zoey Zane (family), Fairy Princess Yoshikyoko, Gamemaster Loveshade, Greg Hill (family), Herr Bookmonger, His Wholiness the Rev. DrJon, Icarus 23, John Wilkes Harvey Oswald, Kerry Thornley (family), Lani Lina Lian Lain, Max Flax Beeblewax, Miley Ray Cyrus, Miley Spears, Nixie Nurita, Nurse Devine Stripling, Paco the Fruit Bat, Perlie the Pony Girl, Pope Higgins, Pope Hilde, Princess Unicornia, Professor Cramulus, Professor Mu-Chao, R. Crumb, Reverend Loveshade, Rev. Ivan Stang, Reverend Jason ‘Pee Kitty’ Levine, Robert Anton Wilson (family), Saint The Mary, Sister Hooter, Sister Lorraine of Fairy Tree, S. John Ross aka Pope Leo, Sondra London, Sparky Newberg, St. Verbatim, TawTew the Naturally Perfumed, The Good Reverend Roger, Toby Bruno, Untroubled Teen, Zeus, Xists.

This offer will expire at the End of the World at midnight Dec. 21, 2012!  If the world doesn’t end then, you have until midnight Pat Pineapple Day, Jan. 18, 2013!  So claim your discount now!

Anonymous Lifeforms reporting for Reverend Loveshade

Oh, my.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2012, 05:06:54 pm
Can someone expost?

Can you see this?

(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3815/rogers.png)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 05:08:05 pm
Can someone expost?

Can you see this?

(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3815/rogers.png)

Nope.  But Burnsie already got it for me.

There's going to be hell to pay.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2012, 05:08:59 pm
You'll see it later, it's good to have a screen cap, ya know... for posterity.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 05:09:45 pm
Especially given that

1.  He never asked permission, and

2.  Anytime I DID write anything on 23AE, he and The Manson Loveshade Family turned out in droves to shout me down.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 05:10:50 pm
Hoops, could you maybe shoot him an email for me, if I write it?  I am NOT using my work email, and I can't get to my throwaways from here (or home, the fucking laptop died last night).
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2012, 05:36:04 pm
Hoops, could you maybe shoot him an email for me, if I write it?  I am NOT using my work email, and I can't get to my throwaways from here (or home, the fucking laptop died last night).

Certainly.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 19, 2012, 05:44:21 pm
Which issue of Intermittens is that? I'd like to remove the link to it from this site.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 05:47:04 pm
Hoops, could you maybe shoot him an email for me, if I write it?  I am NOT using my work email, and I can't get to my throwaways from here (or home, the fucking laptop died last night).

Certainly.

Rev Loveshade:

It has come to my attention that you have included me as a contributor to your newly-released book.  I do not remember ever giving you permission to use my work, and I would certainly remember that.  I am requiring you to remove any of my work from the book, and to remove any mention of me from the book.  Simply put, I do not wish to be associated with you in any way.

Should you not comply, I will be directing a cease & desist letter to Amazon.com, and demanding that they not carry the book.  I suggest you look up Amazon's policy on plagiarism or use of materials without the author's permission. 

If I do not have a response within 5 business days, I will be sending the aforementioned letter.  Make note that this will not be the only step taken, merely the first.

Sincerely,
The Good Reverend Roger
(aka Roger Penrose)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2012, 05:53:27 pm
Which issue of Intermittens is that? I'd like to remove the link to it from this site.

Intermittens 7.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2012, 06:03:55 pm
Hoops, could you maybe shoot him an email for me, if I write it?  I am NOT using my work email, and I can't get to my throwaways from here (or home, the fucking laptop died last night).

Certainly.

Rev Loveshade:

It has come to my attention that you have included me as a contributor to your newly-released book.  I do not remember ever giving you permission to use my work, and I would certainly remember that.  I am requiring you to remove any of my work from the book, and to remove any mention of me from the book.  Simply put, I do not wish to be associated with you in any way.

Should you not comply, I will be directing a cease & desist letter to Amazon.com, and demanding that they not carry the book.  I suggest you look up Amazon's policy on plagiarism or use of materials without the author's permission. 

If I do not have a response within 5 business days, I will be sending the aforementioned letter.  Make note that this will not be the only step taken, merely the first.

Sincerely,
The Good Reverend Roger
(aka Roger Penrose)


Sent.   Unsure how seriously he will take it, coming from me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 06:06:06 pm
Hoops, could you maybe shoot him an email for me, if I write it?  I am NOT using my work email, and I can't get to my throwaways from here (or home, the fucking laptop died last night).

Certainly.

Rev Loveshade:

It has come to my attention that you have included me as a contributor to your newly-released book.  I do not remember ever giving you permission to use my work, and I would certainly remember that.  I am requiring you to remove any of my work from the book, and to remove any mention of me from the book.  Simply put, I do not wish to be associated with you in any way.

Should you not comply, I will be directing a cease & desist letter to Amazon.com, and demanding that they not carry the book.  I suggest you look up Amazon's policy on plagiarism or use of materials without the author's permission. 

If I do not have a response within 5 business days, I will be sending the aforementioned letter.  Make note that this will not be the only step taken, merely the first.

Sincerely,
The Good Reverend Roger
(aka Roger Penrose)


Sent.   Unsure how seriously he will take it, coming from me.

We'll see.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 19, 2012, 06:15:17 pm
Holeeeeeeey FUCK. Nail his nads to the wall.

I wonder how many others don't know they're in this thing? How the fuck did Loveshade get Crumb...or ANYBODY who's not a brain-liquified Squeaky Fromme?

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2012, 06:33:11 pm
Holeeeeeeey FUCK. Nail his nads to the wall.

I wonder how many others don't know they're in this thing? How the fuck did Loveshade get Crumb...or ANYBODY who's not a brain-liquified Squeaky Fromme?

Doubt it's really them... the RAW quote certainly doesn't sound like RAW to me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 06:33:45 pm
Holeeeeeeey FUCK. Nail his nads to the wall.

I wonder how many others don't know they're in this thing? How the fuck did Loveshade get Crumb...or ANYBODY who's not a brain-liquified Squeaky Fromme?

Doubt it's really them... the RAW quote certainly doesn't sound like RAW to me.

Gonna send this to Stang, see how he feels about things.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 19, 2012, 06:46:44 pm
Holeeeeeeey FUCK. Nail his nads to the wall.

I wonder how many others don't know they're in this thing? How the fuck did Loveshade get Crumb...or ANYBODY who's not a brain-liquified Squeaky Fromme?

Doubt it's really them... the RAW quote certainly doesn't sound like RAW to me.

Gonna send this to Stang, see how he feels about things.

Crumb might or might not pay attention to a mail, but Aline is more outgoing. I'll see if she's on facebook or something.

ETA: http://www.crumbproducts.com/contact.html#13

Now...how to best word this...
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Gorightly on November 19, 2012, 07:02:44 pm
Holeeeeeeey FUCK. Nail his nads to the wall.

I wonder how many others don't know they're in this thing? How the fuck did Loveshade get Crumb...or ANYBODY who's not a brain-liquified Squeaky Fromme?

Doubt it's really them... the RAW quote certainly doesn't sound like RAW to me.

Gonna send this to Stang, see how he feels about things.

Crumb might or might not pay attention to a mail, but Aline is more outgoing. I'll see if she's on facebook or something.

ETA: http://www.crumbproducts.com/contact.html#13

Now...how to best word this...


I would also be curious to know what I contributed to Loveshade's book....if anyone actually has a copy!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2012, 07:05:31 pm
Holeeeeeeey FUCK. Nail his nads to the wall.

I wonder how many others don't know they're in this thing? How the fuck did Loveshade get Crumb...or ANYBODY who's not a brain-liquified Squeaky Fromme?

Doubt it's really them... the RAW quote certainly doesn't sound like RAW to me.

Gonna send this to Stang, see how he feels about things.

Crumb might or might not pay attention to a mail, but Aline is more outgoing. I'll see if she's on facebook or something.

ETA: http://www.crumbproducts.com/contact.html#13

Now...how to best word this...


I would also be curious to know what I contributed to Loveshade's book....if anyone actually has a copy!

Odds are, something you wrote somewhere that he lifted assuming kopyleft.

The fact that I contributed is news to me.  Most unwelcome news.  I want nothing to do with that bastard.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Luna on November 19, 2012, 11:35:52 pm
Dropping Cram a note, as well, in case he is also unaware he contributed.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2012, 01:41:10 pm
Dropping Cram a note, as well, in case he is also unaware he contributed.


Expect a lecture.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 20, 2012, 02:30:53 pm
And the flaws of kopyleft become apparent if they werent apparent before.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Luna on November 20, 2012, 02:35:14 pm
Dropping Cram a note, as well, in case he is also unaware he contributed.


Expect a lecture.

Can't imagine anyone being annoyed enough to lecture for a heads up that his name was included on a list of contributors when at least one other person was unpleasantly surprised to be included.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2012, 03:20:32 pm
Dropping Cram a note, as well, in case he is also unaware he contributed.


Expect a lecture.

Can't imagine anyone being annoyed enough to lecture for a heads up that his name was included on a list of contributors when at least one other person was unpleasantly surprised to be included.

Cramulus has views on intellectual property.  My guess is that he'll wave it off with an air of superiority concerning those views.

But I suppose we should warn him anyway.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 20, 2012, 03:45:47 pm
Alternately, we could compile a book made of his and Loveshade's writings and edit it in such a manner that it looks like they're best buds. It'd be a hell of an object lesson. :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 20, 2012, 03:59:11 pm
Alternately, we could compile a book made of his and Loveshade's writings and edit it in such a manner that it looks like they're best buds. It'd be a hell of an object lesson. :lulz:

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2012, 04:21:21 pm
Alternately, we could compile a book made of his and Loveshade's writings and edit it in such a manner that it looks like they're best buds. It'd be a hell of an object lesson. :lulz:

Possibly the first time I actually and physically laughed out loud at something on the internet.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2012, 04:32:36 pm
And the flaws of kopyleft become apparent if they werent apparent before.

This is why nothing I write is "kopyleft". I'll usually give permission, but I want to be asked so that I have some control over where and how my words are used.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 20, 2012, 04:40:32 pm
Exactly. For some things i dont care if i make money off of it or not. But i do want to make sure it and i dont get misrepresented.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Luna on November 20, 2012, 04:52:14 pm
Dropping Cram a note, as well, in case he is also unaware he contributed.


Expect a lecture.

Can't imagine anyone being annoyed enough to lecture for a heads up that his name was included on a list of contributors when at least one other person was unpleasantly surprised to be included.

Cramulus has views on intellectual property.  My guess is that he'll wave it off with an air of superiority concerning those views.

But I suppose we should warn him anyway.

Sent him the link.  He can wave it off or not, as he likes.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: El Sjaako on January 17, 2013, 11:46:28 pm
Loveshade just did another post on his book on 23ae:

Quote from: loveshade
What book have Robert Anton Wilson (who saw an early draft), Rev. Ivan Stang, R. Crumb, Alan Moore, Sondra London aka The Erisian Elestria, Reverend Jason “Pee Kitty” Levine, Adam Gorightly, Johnny Shellburn, S. John Ross aka Pope Leo and Malaclypse the Younger aka Greg Hill (who never saw the whole book but read some selections) and others been talking about?  Feel free to find out!

Again implying Adam's consent and/or knowledge.

I have actually ordered the book. (I like having Discordians books, even if they are crap. I also bought "The Long Run" by Mr. Keys, because it was supposed to feature Discordianism. It doesn't in any recognizable way.) It will arrive in a while, Amazon estimates half way through February. When it does I will issue a full report of what it says.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 20, 2013, 11:23:41 pm
Loveshade is a hopeless coattailer who can't write for shit.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2013, 02:57:02 am

I have actually ordered the book.

Well, thanks for lining Loveshade's pockets with everyone else's work.  Well done.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 11:21:23 pm
Roger is welcome to participate as is anyone else, so I feel it's a bit disingenous to say I'm 'perfectly fine with leaving Roger out.' I spoke to Roger regarding Loveshade in late August, and it wasn't a dealbreaker at the time. I spoke again two months later in October when he told me he wouldn't be participating, and it was clear to me that this wasn't contingent on my changing my project, and that is wasn't related to LS.

Re; the group, as I said, I handelled it badly at the time, immediately pulling out the four people who announced they wouldn't intend to be participating any more in that LS thread. I had a little freakout, stressing about the group collapsing into drama, and made a poor snap judgment. There's two people in the group now that I'm aware of who have let me know they definately will not be taking part, but rather than making the same mistake repeatedly for the sake of consistency, it seems like less drama and upset to ask those individuals to take themselves out of the group when they're ready.

I do not suspect that any of the troubles I've had over the course of the project are the result of a conspiracy of any form, and haven't suggested as much to anyone.

I'll definitely be contacting Shii, thank you. [Edit: If possible]

Also, Nigel I know you're not telling me that your participation is contingent on my leaving Loveshade out. But others were, so the comments specific to that, were meant for the people to whom they applied, not as an insult to you personally.

Looks like it's not an apology for the shit you said (but don't remember) about other people controlling your work/sabotaging your project, just an apology for freaking out and kicking us out of your group.

Which I presume is where you also said those things, and which I don't have access to, so I can't prove it.

Nice.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 11:21:39 pm
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 12:43:29 am
Roger is welcome to participate as is anyone else, so I feel it's a bit disingenous to say I'm 'perfectly fine with leaving Roger out.' I spoke to Roger regarding Loveshade in late August, and it wasn't a dealbreaker at the time. I spoke again two months later in October when he told me he wouldn't be participating, and it was clear to me that this wasn't contingent on my changing my project, and that is wasn't related to LS.

Re; the group, as I said, I handelled it badly at the time, immediately pulling out the four people who announced they wouldn't intend to be participating any more in that LS thread. I had a little freakout, stressing about the group collapsing into drama, and made a poor snap judgment. There's two people in the group now that I'm aware of who have let me know they definately will not be taking part, but rather than making the same mistake repeatedly for the sake of consistency, it seems like less drama and upset to ask those individuals to take themselves out of the group when they're ready.

I do not suspect that any of the troubles I've had over the course of the project are the result of a conspiracy of any form, and haven't suggested as much to anyone.

I'll definitely be contacting Shii, thank you. [Edit: If possible]

Also, Nigel I know you're not telling me that your participation is contingent on my leaving Loveshade out. But others were, so the comments specific to that, were meant for the people to whom they applied, not as an insult to you personally.

Looks like it's not an apology for the shit you said (but don't remember) about other people controlling your work/sabotaging your project, just an apology for freaking out and kicking us out of your group.

Which I presume is where you also said those things, and which I don't have access to, so I can't prove it.

Nice.

There are people on this forum who have posting access. If you have a pressing need to find what it was you remember me saying I'm sure one of them will be happy to point it out for you.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 12:45:49 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 01:01:33 am
Roger is welcome to participate as is anyone else, so I feel it's a bit disingenous to say I'm 'perfectly fine with leaving Roger out.' I spoke to Roger regarding Loveshade in late August, and it wasn't a dealbreaker at the time. I spoke again two months later in October when he told me he wouldn't be participating, and it was clear to me that this wasn't contingent on my changing my project, and that is wasn't related to LS.

Re; the group, as I said, I handelled it badly at the time, immediately pulling out the four people who announced they wouldn't intend to be participating any more in that LS thread. I had a little freakout, stressing about the group collapsing into drama, and made a poor snap judgment. There's two people in the group now that I'm aware of who have let me know they definately will not be taking part, but rather than making the same mistake repeatedly for the sake of consistency, it seems like less drama and upset to ask those individuals to take themselves out of the group when they're ready.

I do not suspect that any of the troubles I've had over the course of the project are the result of a conspiracy of any form, and haven't suggested as much to anyone.

I'll definitely be contacting Shii, thank you. [Edit: If possible]

Also, Nigel I know you're not telling me that your participation is contingent on my leaving Loveshade out. But others were, so the comments specific to that, were meant for the people to whom they applied, not as an insult to you personally.

Looks like it's not an apology for the shit you said (but don't remember) about other people controlling your work/sabotaging your project, just an apology for freaking out and kicking us out of your group.

Which I presume is where you also said those things, and which I don't have access to, so I can't prove it.

Nice.

There are people on this forum who have posting access. If you have a pressing need to find what it was you remember me saying I'm sure one of them will be happy to point it out for you.

I am quite sure that would be daunting to wade through a year's worth of Facebook postings, and unreasonable and rude to ask someone else to do it for me. If that was the group it was posted in, and not one of the other four or five active Discordian groups.

I don't have any doubts about my memory, but I thought it might help you with your disingenuity problem.

Speaking of which, I take it from this

Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

...that you have no intention of respecting my request to be left unmentioned in your project. I would appreciate a straightforward reply, please: are you planning to respect my request, or not?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 01:13:59 am
Roger is welcome to participate as is anyone else, so I feel it's a bit disingenous to say I'm 'perfectly fine with leaving Roger out.' I spoke to Roger regarding Loveshade in late August, and it wasn't a dealbreaker at the time. I spoke again two months later in October when he told me he wouldn't be participating, and it was clear to me that this wasn't contingent on my changing my project, and that is wasn't related to LS.

Re; the group, as I said, I handelled it badly at the time, immediately pulling out the four people who announced they wouldn't intend to be participating any more in that LS thread. I had a little freakout, stressing about the group collapsing into drama, and made a poor snap judgment. There's two people in the group now that I'm aware of who have let me know they definately will not be taking part, but rather than making the same mistake repeatedly for the sake of consistency, it seems like less drama and upset to ask those individuals to take themselves out of the group when they're ready.

I do not suspect that any of the troubles I've had over the course of the project are the result of a conspiracy of any form, and haven't suggested as much to anyone.

I'll definitely be contacting Shii, thank you. [Edit: If possible]

Also, Nigel I know you're not telling me that your participation is contingent on my leaving Loveshade out. But others were, so the comments specific to that, were meant for the people to whom they applied, not as an insult to you personally.

Looks like it's not an apology for the shit you said (but don't remember) about other people controlling your work/sabotaging your project, just an apology for freaking out and kicking us out of your group.

Which I presume is where you also said those things, and which I don't have access to, so I can't prove it.

Nice.

There are people on this forum who have posting access. If you have a pressing need to find what it was you remember me saying I'm sure one of them will be happy to point it out for you.

I am quite sure that would be daunting to wade through a year's worth of Facebook postings, and unreasonable and rude to ask someone else to do it for me. If that was the group it was posted in, and not one of the other four or five active Discordian groups.

I don't have any doubts about my memory, but I thought it might help you with your disingenuity problem.

Speaking of which, I take it from this

Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

...that you have no intention of respecting my request to be left unmentioned in your project. I would appreciate a straightforward reply, please: are you planning to respect my request, or not?

I made an unambiguous statement less than an hour ago that I did not intend to mention people who do not wish to be mentioned. You have said that you do not wish to be mentioned. Therefore it is not my intention to mention you.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pæs on November 22, 2013, 01:15:02 am
Ugh, why did I just reread this thread?

Dingo, you should fall silent for a while and then burst back in again in a month or so, to get the full CAPTAIN UTOPIA CAN'T LET IT GO effect.

Quote
More importantly I would feel like a fraud if I were to decide Loveshade were 'too unpleasent' to discuss. I'd feel like I was calling in everyone to smile nicely and look normal. I'm interested in showing all sides of Discordia, not in being an Erisian PR manager. If there are unpleasant things in Discordia, I'm happy to show what they are.

Really? Do you think Loveshade's failure to understand the intersection between age and consent is "an unpleasant thing in Discordia" rather than a perversion of an individual, while the individual also happens to have latched on to the Discordian label? Why did your journalistic integrity get stuck on this one case but not force you to hunt down every freak who every hail'd Eris and associate the label with the skeletons in their closets?

Is it because the community responded with "ew no?" and tried to CENSOR you forcing you to overcompensate in your SERCH FOR TROOF?
If so, how does that community response work as support of your notion that Loveshade is relevant to Discordianism?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 01:40:05 am
Q: Do you think Loveshade's failure to understand the intersection between age and consent is "an unpleasant thing in Discordia" rather than a perversion of an individual, while the individual also happens to have latched on to the Discordian label? 

A: The distinction seems meaningless. My measure for 'is someone a Discordian' is for this book simply that they self identify as Discordian. And some of my interviews haven't even gone that far!
I think that something being too unpleasant or taboo is a bad reason to avoid talking about it. I am aware of the specific things Loveshade has written in his book and website that you refer to, and I think that it would be wrong to ignore them because I was afraid it might be too unpleasant for people to hear about. Instead I think it's fair to have a honest discussion on how it's perceived and dealt with in the community. 

Q: Why did your journalistic integrity get stuck on this one case but not force you to hunt down every freak who every hail'd Eris and associate the label with the skeletons in their closets?

A: I'm not 'hunting down freaks.' I'm interviewing people who call themselves Discordians. I'm not associating Discordia with anything. I'm letting people tell me how they regard Discordia.  The answers are very broad.

Q: Is it because the community responded with "ew no?" and tried to CENSOR you forcing you to overcompensate in your SERCH FOR TROOF? 

A: No. I have not chosen to do anything in this project just because people told me not to. 

Q: If so, how does that community response work as support of your notion that Loveshade is relevant to Discordianism?

A: Well, not so, but all I mean by relevant, if that was my term, is that Loveshade is well known within Discordia online, through his websites mostly and his book, and his various conflicts with other members of the community. 

Can I also say: it's not even written yet. It's in progress. It's not even editing stage. So there are no choices being made right now about what WILL be and what WILL NOT. What I do insist on is that when it is time to make those choices, I will make them, with input from my publisher. So I can't tell you too much about what I say about any one person just yet because I may prove a liar.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 01:41:20 am

I made an unambiguous statement less than an hour ago that I did not intend to mention people who do not wish to be mentioned. You have said that you do not wish to be mentioned. Therefore it is not my intention to mention you.

Settle down, I hadn't gotten there yet. I can only read one thread at a time. :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 01:50:23 am
I still think it's hilarious that according to Dingo Loveshade is a really important part of Discordia who simply could not be left out while still maintaining journalistic integrity, yet AKK, probably the most flamboyantly self-promoting Discordian of all time (and by FAR the easiest to track down; all you have to do is follow his chaos-star beacons which are broadcast ON EVERY POSSIBLE SOCIAL MEDIA SITE) is apparently not worth the slightest effort to "track down".
 :lol:

AKK is also a wannabe guru, but he's a bigger character in pretty much every possible way. The main difference is that nobody's automatic response to him is "ew I don't want anyone to associate me with anything he's involved in". He'll annoy you to death, it's true, but he's neither a kiddie-sex promoter nor a plagiarist.

I'm seriously missing something here, re: why Loveshade was so important to get an interview with that he was worth losing the trust and respect of a substantial segment of the Discordian community, but AKK wasn't even worth trying to get, and yet somehow in this dissonance there's something about "journalistic integrity"?

Sorry man, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 01:59:09 am
Nobody was ever or is now too important to be left out. All I insist on is that the choice is mine. I've said that a few times now.

If I get to it I may get onto AKK, but that's not really relevant or something I'm going to address again.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 02:05:40 am
Been at work but this is the main of what I'd like to say.

I thought about some of these issues a lot when Roger first raised concerns regarding Loveshade. The conclusion I came to then is the conclusion I'm at now; I don't have a real problem losing Loveshade; after all, all I have is one Internet  interview which may not even make the final cut, and I have no plans to meet him. However I do have a problem loosing editorial control, and being told who I may and any may not discuss as a Discordian public figure.

More importantly I would feel like a fraud if I were to decide Loveshade were 'too unpleasent' to discuss. I'd feel like I was calling in everyone to smile nicely and look normal. I'm interested in showing all sides of Discordia, not in being an Erisian PR manager. If there are unpleasant things in Discordia, I'm happy to show what they are.

In regards to the FB group I'll admit to a handful of poor choices this morning. It felt to me to be passive aggressive to pull people out without making contact, hence the pms. Possibly this was the wrong call to make, and if so, I apologise.  The facebook group has always been locked and private, and exists for my convenience in organising trip matters. I don't want drama in there, and I don't want people connected who aren't interested in being involved. When I pulled people out today I should have given everyone a bit of notice and a chance to clean up conversations first, and I didn't, which I apologise for.

Regarding the tone around here I seem to be persona non grata so if there's any questions, PM me and I'll post up an answer here.

Oh hey.

If I keep on reading this thread, I wonder if I'll find the part where you accuse Roger and I of attempting to sabotage your project, as well?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 02:06:20 am
Nobody was ever or is now too important to be left out. All I insist on is that the choice is mine. I've said that a few times now.

If I get to it I may get onto AKK, but that's not really relevant or something I'm going to address again.

Have I mentioned that you're a slimy shitweasel yet?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 02:11:08 am
I think I would have had more respect for the way you handled it if you hadn't tried to scuff the Loveshade interview under the carpet; if you'd recognized that it was a potential issue in the beginning and said "Hey guys, there's this. It may affect how you feel about how you are represented and whether you want to participate. Any input on how I should handle it?". But instead, you chose to quietly disregard Roger's concerns when he brought it up, to the extent that other concerned parties missed it. As I believe you intended. Until it came up again and I brought it up as a point that couldn't so easily be blithely disregarded and hushed, although that is, to my eye, exactly what you tried to do when you moved to silence me and shut me down in your group.

As it stands, no, after the way you skimmed over that, banned me from your group mid-argument, and unfriended me because I don't want to participate in your little project, I don't trust you to represent the community, I don't trust your judgement, and I also don't think that a book about current-day Discordians that doesn't include Roger and LMNO is worth my time. You keep insisting that this is about people trying to dictate who you will interview, but it's the exact opposite; it's people removing themselves from your purview. Stop trying to make it into something else.

You yourself asked that we not use your real name on the board because you don't want it associated with Discordianism until you're done teaching... how is it that you cannot understand that some people here, especially those of us whose real identities are closely linked to our Discordian identities, simply don't want to be associated with someone who is a hanger-on with socially repugnant ideas about adults having sex with minors? Congratulations on giving a truly repugnant person what he's always wanted and been laughed off at every previous turn; legitimacy as a truly Important Discordian Person. If, for some unfathomable reason, your painfully incomplete glimpse into the Discordian community ends up legitimizing Loveshade as a serious contributor to Discordia, I will disavow any and all connection to Discordianism.

Bump for posterity.

It's interesting re-reading this thread, and seeing where it all took a turn. I've always tried to be reasonably charitable toward Dingo, but after re-reading this I feel much, much less charitable. He's a douchecanoe.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 02:15:51 am
Been at work but this is the main of what I'd like to say.

I thought about some of these issues a lot when Roger first raised concerns regarding Loveshade. The conclusion I came to then is the conclusion I'm at now; I don't have a real problem losing Loveshade; after all, all I have is one Internet  interview which may not even make the final cut, and I have no plans to meet him. However I do have a problem loosing editorial control, and being told who I may and any may not discuss as a Discordian public figure.

More importantly I would feel like a fraud if I were to decide Loveshade were 'too unpleasent' to discuss. I'd feel like I was calling in everyone to smile nicely and look normal. I'm interested in showing all sides of Discordia, not in being an Erisian PR manager. If there are unpleasant things in Discordia, I'm happy to show what they are.

In regards to the FB group I'll admit to a handful of poor choices this morning. It felt to me to be passive aggressive to pull people out without making contact, hence the pms. Possibly this was the wrong call to make, and if so, I apologise.  The facebook group has always been locked and private, and exists for my convenience in organising trip matters. I don't want drama in there, and I don't want people connected who aren't interested in being involved. When I pulled people out today I should have given everyone a bit of notice and a chance to clean up conversations first, and I didn't, which I apologise for.

Regarding the tone around here I seem to be persona non grata so if there's any questions, PM me and I'll post up an answer here.

Oh hey.

If I keep on reading this thread, I wonder if I'll find the part where you accuse Roger and I of attempting to sabotage your project, as well?

Thank you. This is why I was asking for the direct quote, so I could see what was being talked about. I never meant by that comment that other people were trying to take over my project. I meant that if I can't make decisions about what I include I don't feel like I have full editorial control. So if anyone's involvement was contingent on having a say on what made a final draft I would sooner avoid the issue and decline the interview. When people began to tell me that I had accused others of trying to control my work, denied it, because that is not what I tried to say in this comment. I am sorry if I wrote it ambiguously but hopefully it is now very clear what I wished to say.

You won't find anything about sabotage because that was never something I said, but I would appreciate seeing the quote that you remember, if only to understand for myself where this impression came from.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 02:27:24 am
I actually didn't come back to reply but felt there was one more thing I wished to mention.

Paes talked about 'journalistic integrity.' Not sure if his word or mine but I guess where he's used that I just say honesty.

This was where my reasons for involving Loveshade were challenged and among other points, the point was made that it would be bad to associate Discordia with his ideas. My feeling here is that I disagree. Loveshade, who calls himself a Discordian has upset other Discordians by sharing ideas that have upset people for extremely valid reasons, and to be honest about that is to promote a culture of honesty and avoid embracing a culture of secrecy. This isn't me saying why I will discuss Loveshade becaue as I've mentioned those are choices that will come out of the editing process; but it is a reason why I do not accept the idea that his views are too terrible to be aknowledged honestly and critically.

It is 3-am. I sleep now. Please give me a little more leeway on this particular post, because my brain is slowing.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 02:48:41 am
Pretty sure the "sabotage" post was on Facebook. I have no idea which group.

It's not a big deal, though, because the bottom line is that neither you nor your project matter much, other than that I think your mishandling of it opened a nice opportunity for a distinct schism.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 02:50:24 am
I like how you're all "Well you found THAT thing I claimed I didn't say, but it's not what I meant, and you won't find the other thing I claimed I didn't say".

 :lol: Delusional much?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 22, 2013, 03:40:34 am
The thing is... nobody said you didn't have control of your project. 

What they said was that if Loveshade was involved, they didn't want to be.  And you read that as them trying to control your work, which from my stance looks like you viewing their words through a sort of strange prism.  You should look at that, and be honest with yourself.  You may not like what you find.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 04:43:31 am
The thing is... nobody said you didn't have control of your project. 

What they said was that if Loveshade was involved, they didn't want to be.  And you read that as them trying to control your work, which from my stance looks like you viewing their words through a sort of strange prism.  You should look at that, and be honest with yourself.  You may not like what you find.

Stop being so reasonable!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 08:58:05 am
The thing is... nobody said you didn't have control of your project.  

What they said was that if Loveshade was involved, they didn't want to be.  And you read that as them trying to control your work, which from my stance looks like you viewing their words through a sort of strange prism.  You should look at that, and be honest with yourself.  You may not like what you find.

Thanks for your input, and I appreciate the helpful tone.

Honestly, I have no idea how to say the same thing in a different way to be understood at this point but I will try to be particularly clear in this post.

I agree with everything you said, other that the idea that I interpreted people as trying to have control of my work. Where people have set the condition that they will be in or out based on Loveshade or anyone else's involvement, I don't feel I can work with that, and think I'm better off without the interview in the first place.

I have said a number of times that if I was to agree to these kinds of interviews I would feel that I did not have full control over my work. From where I stand, this isn't obviously conflated with me saying that 'other people are trying to control my work' but despite me explicityly and repeatedly making the point that that is not my point of view, that's how it seems many here are more comfortable interpreting me.

My being here now isn't to pursue some agenda based on feeling hurt and angry that I have somehow been mortally wronged by mean old PD but because I want to take a chance to correct some errors that are being made (that I'm part of some kind of Loveshadian conspiracy, that I regard Loveshade or anyone else as more important than the rest, that I believe in a PD conspiracy against my project or anything else, so on)

To be perfectly, painfully, glaringly clear; I do NOT and never have taken the position that everyone else is trying to control my work. I DO take the position that had I agreed to do interviews that would leave me unable to choose for myself what content I did or did not include (meaning if using the interview meant I had to promise not to involve Loveshade or any other figure or otherwise impose conditions on what I wrote) that I would not feel I had full control over what I was writing. But my feeling of having full control is something that I have made choices to retain, and I regard that as my choice that I have made and am comfortable with, not as a reaction to some kind of evil power grab from this forum which seems to be how a lot of folk are choosing to interpret my attitude.

To reiterate: it is not, and has never been my opinion that anyone is trying to control my project.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pæs on November 22, 2013, 09:15:39 am
For someone whose position isn't "people are trying to control my work" you sure are saying those exact words a whole lot.

Coincidence? I think not.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 02:12:36 pm
Personally, I think the reason this kind of upsets me is because I was very interested in this project, and really would have liked to participate; and I don't think I'm alone in this.  So the insistence to include Loveshade, who (if nothing else) is simply another in a long line of Pinealists and plagarists (and there is plenty else), is at the expense of a group of Discordians who, as far as I can tell, have created a surprisingly new branch of Discordia, mostly out of whole cloth.

Thus, the decision to include one person deprives the work of an entire movement.


Sure, that sounds big-headed and pretentious; but in your travels, have you found any Discordians like the ones at PD.com?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 02:19:26 pm
Personally, I think the reason this kind of upsets me is because I was very interested in this project, and really would have liked to participate; and I don't think I'm alone in this.  So the insistence to include Loveshade, who (if nothing else) is simply another in a long line of Pinealists and plagarists (and there is plenty else), is at the expense of a group of Discordians who, as far as I can tell, have created a surprisingly new branch of Discordia, mostly out of whole cloth.

Thus, the decision to include one person deprives the work of an entire movement.


Sure, that sounds big-headed and pretentious; but in your travels, have you found any Discordians like the ones at PD.com?

It seems to me that the book was intended to capture "classic" Discordianism.

No slam on Swabey or anyone.  There's still something to be said for that approach.  But I think that trying to shove everyone in the book would be like asking Martin Luther if he minded if the Vatican would be involved.

So a choice had to be made.  For some reason, the choice made was "Loveshade uber alles".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 02:22:01 pm
To be perfectly, painfully, glaringly clear; I do NOT and never have taken the position that everyone else is trying to control my work. I DO take the position that had I agreed to do interviews that would leave me unable to choose for myself what content I did or did not include (meaning if using the interview meant I had to promise not to involve Loveshade or any other figure or otherwise impose conditions on what I wrote) that I would not feel I had full control over what I was writing.

That's FINE. You could and DID choose who you were going to write about.

But people refusing to participate because you involved some David Koresh knockoff is NOT trying to "control your work", it's just refusal to participate.  Which is something YOU can't and shouldn't be able to control.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 02:33:21 pm
And you also can't control how much some of us resented your choice of who you wanted to include.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 03:38:24 pm
Personally, I think the reason this kind of upsets me is because I was very interested in this project, and really would have liked to participate; and I don't think I'm alone in this.  So the insistence to include Loveshade, who (if nothing else) is simply another in a long line of Pinealists and plagarists (and there is plenty else), is at the expense of a group of Discordians who, as far as I can tell, have created a surprisingly new branch of Discordia, mostly out of whole cloth.

Thus, the decision to include one person deprives the work of an entire movement.


Sure, that sounds big-headed and pretentious; but in your travels, have you found any Discordians like the ones at PD.com?

Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

In one regard yes I have met people like those of PDcom, mainly because I interviewed 8 people that I met for the first time on PD who are or have been active contributors.

But in a less literal sense, assuming that you are talking about people who have taken 'standard' Discordianism and built something new and innovative out of it, yes i have met many people like that also.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 03:41:02 pm
And you also can't control how much some of us resented your choice of who you wanted to include.

Yep.

There's definitely that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 03:41:24 pm
Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

And the choice you made was to include him.  So, semantics.  The end result is the same. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 03:41:57 pm
Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

Revisionism.

You said "No discussion about Discordianism would be complete without Loveshade."
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 03:42:52 pm
Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

And the choice you made was to include him.  So, semantics.  The end result is the same.

It felt good to rate somewhere below a pedo/plagiarist.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 03:50:19 pm
Indeed.

Dingo, since we're playing with semantics here, I rewrote the above quote, and came up with:

"I insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade."

And trust me, no one's going to take that from you.  Because no one wants to.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 03:51:04 pm
I am not creating a Public Relations document to promote Discordia. I am endevoring to take a snapshot of Discordia as it manifests today. This means showing all aspects.

Which, boiled down, means "the creepy bits as most important".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 03:57:06 pm
Personally, I think the reason this kind of upsets me is because I was very interested in this project, and really would have liked to participate; and I don't think I'm alone in this.  So the insistence to include Loveshade, who (if nothing else) is simply another in a long line of Pinealists and plagarists (and there is plenty else), is at the expense of a group of Discordians who, as far as I can tell, have created a surprisingly new branch of Discordia, mostly out of whole cloth.

Thus, the decision to include one person deprives the work of an entire movement.


Sure, that sounds big-headed and pretentious; but in your travels, have you found any Discordians like the ones at PD.com?

It seems to me that the book was intended to capture "classic" Discordianism.

No slam on Swabey or anyone.  There's still something to be said for that approach.  But I think that trying to shove everyone in the book would be like asking Martin Luther if he minded if the Vatican would be involved.

So a choice had to be made.  For some reason, the choice made was "Loveshade uber alles".

This is not an attempt to record any one genre of Discordianism. It is an attempt to take a snapshot of the broader egragore of Discordia and the lives of Discordians. 

You say a choice had to be made. In fact the whole cause of much of the upset is that I do not think that any kind of choice DID have to be made. Therefore anyone who felt I did need to choose between them and Loveshade (or, had it come to it, anyone else) was left out of the interviews. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 03:58:37 pm
To be perfectly, painfully, glaringly clear; I do NOT and never have taken the position that everyone else is trying to control my work. I DO take the position that had I agreed to do interviews that would leave me unable to choose for myself what content I did or did not include (meaning if using the interview meant I had to promise not to involve Loveshade or any other figure or otherwise impose conditions on what I wrote) that I would not feel I had full control over what I was writing.

That's FINE. You could and DID choose who you were going to write about.

But people refusing to participate because you involved some David Koresh knockoff is NOT trying to "control your work", it's just refusal to participate.  Which is something YOU can't and shouldn't be able to control.

I don't and did not believe anyone was trying to control my work.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:00:35 pm
This is not an attempt to record any one genre of Discordianism. It is an attempt to take a snapshot of the broader egragore of Discordia and the lives of Discordians.

Then it failed.

Quote
You say a choice had to be made. In fact the whole cause of much of the upset is that I do not think that any kind of choice DID have to be made. Therefore anyone who felt I did need to choose between them and Loveshade (or, had it come to it, anyone else) was left out of the interviews.

Yes, it did have to be made.  I am not going to lend legitimacy - however vanishingly small - to Loveshade and his kiddie-fucking ways as representing my religion.  Especially since he has contributed NOTHING to said religion, relying instead on sneaky fucking theft of other peoples' work.

You felt the need to take a stand.  Well done, that man.  You stood with a pedo.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:01:00 pm
And you also can't control how much some of us resented your choice of who you wanted to include.

I don't have a need to control people's reactions. I've explained my POV, and as long as people aren't coming out with straight up untruths, I don't mind what they say.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:01:11 pm
To be perfectly, painfully, glaringly clear; I do NOT and never have taken the position that everyone else is trying to control my work. I DO take the position that had I agreed to do interviews that would leave me unable to choose for myself what content I did or did not include (meaning if using the interview meant I had to promise not to involve Loveshade or any other figure or otherwise impose conditions on what I wrote) that I would not feel I had full control over what I was writing.

That's FINE. You could and DID choose who you were going to write about.

But people refusing to participate because you involved some David Koresh knockoff is NOT trying to "control your work", it's just refusal to participate.  Which is something YOU can't and shouldn't be able to control.

I don't and did not believe anyone was trying to control my work.

Boy, it's a good thing I'm senile, eh?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:01:55 pm
And you also can't control how much some of us resented your choice of who you wanted to include.

I don't have a need to control people's reactions. I've explained my POV, and as long as people aren't coming out with straight up untruths, I don't mind what they say.

Conservapedia feels the same way, when they change events to suit their own vested interests.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:02:25 pm
Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

Revisionism.

You said "No discussion about Discordianism would be complete without Loveshade."

I don't remember saying that, and it's not my point of view. Feel free to link me to where I said that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:05:54 pm
Indeed.

Dingo, since we're playing with semantics here, I rewrote the above quote, and came up with:

"I insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade."

And trust me, no one's going to take that from you.  Because no one wants to.

That is correct. I do insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade.
I also insist on being the one to exclude Loveshade.
The same is true of every single person I have interviewed. I will decide was is and is not included and that choice will be made in the editing process.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:07:35 pm
I am not creating a Public Relations document to promote Discordia. I am endevoring to take a snapshot of Discordia as it manifests today. This means showing all aspects.

Which, boiled down, means "the creepy bits as most important".

I don't regard anything much as inherently more important other than the fundamental details of where Discordianism comes from, to give context.

Edit: I've learned from experience that the slightest ambiguity on what I say seems to lead to pretty wild accusations. Therefore I will post here where I was challenged on this comment, and my response.

I don't regard anything much as inherently more important other than the fundamental details of where Discordianism comes from, to give context.

Let's just unpack that:

The author of 30 Days of Eris is not more important than the guy who invented the "Shamlicht Body Shake".

Well done.

Not what I mean to say.

Allow me to rephrase.

I did not start with any assumptions about who or what was essential to my book. I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:07:49 pm
Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

Revisionism.

You said "No discussion about Discordianism would be complete without Loveshade."

I don't remember saying that, and it's not my point of view. Feel free to link me to where I said that.

FB, IIRC.

But then here you said:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32728.msg1223251.html#msg1223251
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:08:30 pm

That is correct. I do insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade.
I also insist on being the one to exclude Loveshade.

Well, let us know how your dick measuring activity works out.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:10:21 pm
I don't regard anything much as inherently more important other than the fundamental details of where Discordianism comes from, to give context.

Let's just unpack that:

The author of 30 Days of Eris is not more important than the guy who invented the "Shamlicht Body Shake".

Well done.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:12:29 pm
Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

Revisionism.

You said "No discussion about Discordianism would be complete without Loveshade."

I don't remember saying that, and it's not my point of view. Feel free to link me to where I said that.

FB, IIRC.

But then here you said:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32728.msg1223251.html#msg1223251

The link is to where I said

Repost from Facebook.

Regarding Reverend Loveshade.

My intention with Chasing Eris is and always has been "to document contemporary Discordia". I am not interested is writing a propoganda piece endorsing our culture (though if I didn't have personal reasons for valuing Discordia, I would not be, as I am, a Discordian), but rather presenting the whole spectrum of Discordia as it is. As a result I am not interested in cherry picking individual Discordians on the basis of whether they make the culture look good or bad. I am interested in letting those who identify with Discordia lend their voices to the project and speak for themselves in regards to their personal Discordia.

Loveshade is part of the community, and as the recent conversations have shown, has a large and very emotional impact on a number of Discordians. My interest is in presenting this tension as it is, not to cover it with a tablecloth and try to pretend that it does not exist.

I've spoken previously with individuals concerned that their name will be associated with Reverend Loveshade. My answer then and now was this; I am presenting contemporary Discordia, not publishing an endorsement. I intend to be emphasising the extent to which Discordians differ in their views, and will not be implying that any one individual speaks for any other. I am very comfortable allowing individuals to express personal concerns regarding differences of views within the community itself.

I will not be meeting Reverend Loveshade in person but I will be publishing extracts from conversations online.

That has remained my position. Edit; except replace that last 'will' with a 'may.'
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:13:36 pm
Firstly. I did not and do not insist on including Loveshade. I insist on being the one to make that choice.

Revisionism.

You said "No discussion about Discordianism would be complete without Loveshade."

I don't remember saying that, and it's not my point of view. Feel free to link me to where I said that.

FB, IIRC.

But then here you said:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32728.msg1223251.html#msg1223251

The link is to where I said

Repost from Facebook.

Regarding Reverend Loveshade.

My intention with Chasing Eris is and always has been "to document contemporary Discordia". I am not interested is writing a propoganda piece endorsing our culture (though if I didn't have personal reasons for valuing Discordia, I would not be, as I am, a Discordian), but rather presenting the whole spectrum of Discordia as it is. As a result I am not interested in cherry picking individual Discordians on the basis of whether they make the culture look good or bad. I am interested in letting those who identify with Discordia lend their voices to the project and speak for themselves in regards to their personal Discordia.

Loveshade is part of the community, and as the recent conversations have shown, has a large and very emotional impact on a number of Discordians. My interest is in presenting this tension as it is, not to cover it with a tablecloth and try to pretend that it does not exist.

I've spoken previously with individuals concerned that their name will be associated with Reverend Loveshade. My answer then and now was this; I am presenting contemporary Discordia, not publishing an endorsement. I intend to be emphasising the extent to which Discordians differ in their views, and will not be implying that any one individual speaks for any other. I am very comfortable allowing individuals to express personal concerns regarding differences of views within the community itself.

I will not be meeting Reverend Loveshade in person but I will be publishing extracts from conversations online.

That has remained my position.

Fantastic.  Just so long as I am left out of it entirely.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:20:31 pm
I don't regard anything much as inherently more important other than the fundamental details of where Discordianism comes from, to give context.

Let's just unpack that:

The author of 30 Days of Eris is not more important than the guy who invented the "Shamlicht Body Shake".

Well done.

Not what I mean to say.

Allow me to rephrase.

I did not start with any assumptions about who or what was essential to my book. I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:25:10 pm
I don't regard anything much as inherently more important other than the fundamental details of where Discordianism comes from, to give context.

Let's just unpack that:

The author of 30 Days of Eris is not more important than the guy who invented the "Shamlicht Body Shake".

Well done.

Not what I mean to say.

Allow me to rephrase.

I did not start with any assumptions about who or what was essential to my book. I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

Enjoy your artistic purity.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 04:27:59 pm
Indeed.

Dingo, since we're playing with semantics here, I rewrote the above quote, and came up with:

"I insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade."

And trust me, no one's going to take that from you.  Because no one wants to.

That is correct. I do insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade.
I also insist on being the one to exclude Loveshade.
The same is true of every single person I have interviewed. I will decide was is and is not included and that choice will be made in the editing process.

Before I get into the ramifications of the last sentence, let's think this one out.

In taking ownership of the choice, there obviously must be a list of pros and cons. Among other elements, such as "did the interview go well?", there is a pro directly in conflict with a con:

Pro: "Including Loveshade furthers the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."
Con: "Including Loveshade will not achieve the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today, as a vocal element of Discordia will choose not to participate."

And of course, the reverse:

Pro: "Not including Loveshade will increase the number of available interviews, and broadens the snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."
Con: "Not including Loveshade will not achieve the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."

Or, to boil down the logic tree:
No matter which choice you make, the end result will be an incomplete picture of Discordia as it stands today.


So, at that point, the choice is what will give the broadest, yet still incomplete, picture.

Which means, in the end, you apparently feel that the inclusion of Loveshade will give you a more complete picture than the inclusion of us.  And to be honest, that's like you giving us the finger and telling us we're not as important as Loveshade.

That you feel Loveshade is somehow better than us. 

Hope that clears things up.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:31:45 pm
Indeed.

Dingo, since we're playing with semantics here, I rewrote the above quote, and came up with:

"I insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade."

And trust me, no one's going to take that from you.  Because no one wants to.

That is correct. I do insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade.
I also insist on being the one to exclude Loveshade.
The same is true of every single person I have interviewed. I will decide was is and is not included and that choice will be made in the editing process.

Before I get into the ramifications of the last sentence, let's think this one out.

In taking ownership of the choice, there obviously must be a list of pros and cons. Among other elements, such as "did the interview go well?", there is a pro directly in conflict with a con:

Pro: "Including Loveshade furthers the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."
Con: "Including Loveshade will not achieve the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today, as a vocal element of Discordia will choose not to participate."

And of course, the reverse:

Pro: "Not including Loveshade will increase the number of available interviews, and broadens the snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."
Con: "Not including Loveshade will not achieve the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."

Or, to boil down the logic tree:
No matter which choice you make, the end result will be an incomplete picture of Discordia as it stands today.


So, at that point, the choice is what will give the broadest, yet still incomplete, picture.

Which means, in the end, you apparently feel that the inclusion of Loveshade will give you a more complete picture than the inclusion of us.  And to be honest, that's like you giving us the finger and telling us we're not as important as Loveshade.

That you feel Loveshade is somehow better than us. 

Hope that clears things up.

That's one possibility.  The other two are:

1.  "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!"  and

2.  "I am a member of the Loveshade family, and I therefore must include my guru."

Note that none of the three possibilities allow for anything involving actual journalism.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 04:37:29 pm
Personally, I think the reason this kind of upsets me is because I was very interested in this project, and really would have liked to participate; and I don't think I'm alone in this.  So the insistence to include Loveshade, who (if nothing else) is simply another in a long line of Pinealists and plagarists (and there is plenty else), is at the expense of a group of Discordians who, as far as I can tell, have created a surprisingly new branch of Discordia, mostly out of whole cloth.

Thus, the decision to include one person deprives the work of an entire movement.


Sure, that sounds big-headed and pretentious; but in your travels, have you found any Discordians like the ones at PD.com?

It seems to me that the book was intended to capture "classic" Discordianism.

No slam on Swabey or anyone.  There's still something to be said for that approach.  But I think that trying to shove everyone in the book would be like asking Martin Luther if he minded if the Vatican would be involved.

So a choice had to be made.  For some reason, the choice made was "Loveshade uber alles".

This is not an attempt to record any one genre of Discordianism. It is an attempt to take a snapshot of the broader egragore of Discordia and the lives of Discordians.

You say a choice had to be made. In fact the whole cause of much of the upset is that I do not think that any kind of choice DID have to be made. Therefore anyone who felt I did need to choose between them and Loveshade (or, had it come to it, anyone else) was left out of the interviews.

Yes, yes, it's all about you having control and you making the choices and you calling the shots. You're a control freak; we get it. The thing is, in your control-freaking about "taking a snapshot of the broader egragore of Discordia" you alienated so many people that your project completely fails to do exactly that.

But you retained all the control, and that's what really matters to you. That's your choice. Why are you even still here talking about that to a bunch of people who didn't participate and don't matter with regards to your project as it panned out?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 04:37:49 pm
I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

It puzzles me that you imply you haven't made your choice yet, when functionally you already have.  Even if the Loveshade section doesn't make it through the editing process, you lost a chunk of willing, even eager, content before you even got on your first airplane.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Cain on November 22, 2013, 04:39:31 pm
LMNO's said pretty much everything I would have, in this thread. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:40:19 pm
I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

It puzzles me that you imply you haven't made your choice yet, when functionally you already have.  Even if the Loveshade section doesn't make it through the editing process, you lost a chunk of willing, even eager, content before you even got on your first airplane.

Well, then, he can say "SEE?  LOVESHADE ISN'T EVEN IN THE BOOK!  YOU SUCKERS RUINED THIS FOR NOTHING!"

There are basically two solution sets here:

Placid Dingo got a bunch of kickstarters to pay for a vacation, OR
Placid Dingo publishes a paean to a pedo.

Well done.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:44:51 pm
Indeed.

Dingo, since we're playing with semantics here, I rewrote the above quote, and came up with:

"I insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade."

And trust me, no one's going to take that from you.  Because no one wants to.

That is correct. I do insist on being the one choosing to include Loveshade.
I also insist on being the one to exclude Loveshade.
The same is true of every single person I have interviewed. I will decide was is and is not included and that choice will be made in the editing process.

Before I get into the ramifications of the last sentence, let's think this one out.

In taking ownership of the choice, there obviously must be a list of pros and cons. Among other elements, such as "did the interview go well?", there is a pro directly in conflict with a con:

Pro: "Including Loveshade furthers the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."
Con: "Including Loveshade will not achieve the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today, as a vocal element of Discordia will choose not to participate."

And of course, the reverse:

Pro: "Not including Loveshade will increase the number of available interviews, and broadens the snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."
Con: "Not including Loveshade will not achieve the goal of taking a snapshot of Discordia as it stands today."

Or, to boil down the logic tree:
No matter which choice you make, the end result will be an incomplete picture of Discordia as it stands today.


So, at that point, the choice is what will give the broadest, yet still incomplete, picture.

Which means, in the end, you apparently feel that the inclusion of Loveshade will give you a more complete picture than the inclusion of us.  And to be honest, that's like you giving us the finger and telling us we're not as important as Loveshade.

That you feel Loveshade is somehow better than us. 

Hope that clears things up.

If you choose to interpret my position as such, I can't stop you.

Bu that's not my view.

My view is simply that I'm not interested in interviews that will require me to let anyone else make editorial decisions for me. And to be clear, that is me stating it matters to me that I make those choices not that I believe anyone else is trying to control my project.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 22, 2013, 04:45:54 pm
It seems to me that the book was intended to capture "classic" Discordianism.

BINGO.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:47:46 pm
My view is simply that I'm not interested in interviews that will require me to let anyone else make editorial decisions for me. And to be clear, that is me stating it matters to me that I make those choices not that I believe anyone else is trying to control my project.

Then enjoy your little ego wank.  I have written or been involved in multiple books and other projects, and never once (not even with LOBB) did I allow it to turn into ALL ABOUT ROGER'S DECISIONS.

Nobody does.  Not if they're actually trying to accomplish anything other than jacking off to their own "control".

So tell me, though...How did it work out?  Did you get to choose everything you wanted?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:51:03 pm
I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

It puzzles me that you imply you haven't made your choice yet, when functionally you already have.  Even if the Loveshade section doesn't make it through the editing process, you lost a chunk of willing, even eager, content before you even got on your first airplane.

Well, then, he can say "SEE?  LOVESHADE ISN'T EVEN IN THE BOOK!  YOU SUCKERS RUINED THIS FOR NOTHING!"

There are basically two solution sets here:

Placid Dingo got a bunch of kickstarters to pay for a vacation, OR
Placid Dingo publishes a paean to a pedo.

Well done.

The Kickstarter overwhelmingly did not pay for this project.

If anyone is upset enough that they feel they need a refund I will provide one
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:52:21 pm
I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

It puzzles me that you imply you haven't made your choice yet, when functionally you already have.  Even if the Loveshade section doesn't make it through the editing process, you lost a chunk of willing, even eager, content before you even got on your first airplane.

Well, then, he can say "SEE?  LOVESHADE ISN'T EVEN IN THE BOOK!  YOU SUCKERS RUINED THIS FOR NOTHING!"

There are basically two solution sets here:

Placid Dingo got a bunch of kickstarters to pay for a vacation, OR
Placid Dingo publishes a paean to a pedo.

Well done.

The Kickstarter overwhelmingly did not pay for this project.

If anyone is upset enough that they feel they need a refund I will provide one

Okay, then it's the second one.  Though you did mention that at least 25% of the funding came from that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 22, 2013, 04:54:04 pm
On a slightly different note, I would be interested to hear more about what made Dingo start to believe he was talking to multiple Loveshade sock puppets...
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:54:49 pm
On a slightly different note, I would be interested to hear more about what made Dingo start to believe he was talking to multiple Loveshade sock puppets...

:?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 04:56:04 pm
Nigel's Question. Why are you even still here talking about that to a bunch of people who didn't participate and don't matter with regards to your project as it panned out?

I said before, because I spoke up to correct some inaccuracies, that I would butt out unless people wanted to ask questions or if there was something too inaccurate to ignore. That's what I'm here for.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 04:56:47 pm
Nigel's Question. Why are you even still here talking about that to a bunch of people who didn't participate and don't matter with regards to your project as it panned out?

I said before, because I spoke up to correct some inaccuracies, that I would butt out unless people wanted to ask questions or if there was something too inaccurate to ignore. That's what I'm here for.

So, you're "stewarding your reputation", ala Ben Mack?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 22, 2013, 04:57:34 pm
On a slightly different note, I would be interested to hear more about what made Dingo start to believe he was talking to multiple Loveshade sock puppets...

:?

He mentioned it somewhere in the last day or so... just curious.  Carry on.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 05:02:30 pm
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My view is simply that I'm not interested in interviews that will require me to let anyone else make editorial decisions for me. And to be clear, that is me stating it matters to me that I make those choices not that I believe anyone else is trying to control my project.

If I'm reading this correctly, your stated end goal, the entire purpose of this project, is NOT to have the most complete picture of Discordia possible.

Rather, the entire purpose of this is to RETAIN CONTROL.

Because, as shown above, you can't have both.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 05:16:01 pm
I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

It puzzles me that you imply you haven't made your choice yet, when functionally you already have.  Even if the Loveshade section doesn't make it through the editing process, you lost a chunk of willing, even eager, content before you even got on your first airplane.

Well, then, he can say "SEE?  LOVESHADE ISN'T EVEN IN THE BOOK!  YOU SUCKERS RUINED THIS FOR NOTHING!"

Ahhhh

I totally see that angle. Wish I didn't. He transfers the responsibility for his poor handling onto those of us who declined to participate due to his poor handling. :roll: Given how he refuses to take responsibility for his mistakes up to this point, including weaseling that he he never said things he clearly said in writing, that seems very likely to be his angle.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on November 22, 2013, 05:16:41 pm
On a slightly different note, I would be interested to hear more about what made Dingo start to believe he was talking to multiple Loveshade sock puppets...

He's done that before, he's sock puppeted here and has a distinct writing style you can recognise a mile off.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 05:17:27 pm
Nigel's Question. Why are you even still here talking about that to a bunch of people who didn't participate and don't matter with regards to your project as it panned out?

I said before, because I spoke up to correct some inaccuracies, that I would butt out unless people wanted to ask questions or if there was something too inaccurate to ignore. That's what I'm here for.

So you're really just here to Be Right?

Gotcha.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 05:17:45 pm
I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

It puzzles me that you imply you haven't made your choice yet, when functionally you already have.  Even if the Loveshade section doesn't make it through the editing process, you lost a chunk of willing, even eager, content before you even got on your first airplane.

Well, then, he can say "SEE?  LOVESHADE ISN'T EVEN IN THE BOOK!  YOU SUCKERS RUINED THIS FOR NOTHING!"

Ahhhh

I totally see that angle. Wish I didn't. He transfers the responsibility for his poor handling onto those of us who declined to participate due to his poor handling. :roll: Given how he refuses to take responsibility for his mistakes up to this point, including weaseling that he he never said things he clearly said in writing, that seems very likely to be his angle.

I tend to see the worst in people sometimes.  Unfortunately, I am often accurate in this.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 05:43:42 pm
I decided to do interviews with those who would give them, and make choices on content in editing.

It puzzles me that you imply you haven't made your choice yet, when functionally you already have.  Even if the Loveshade section doesn't make it through the editing process, you lost a chunk of willing, even eager, content before you even got on your first airplane.

Well, then, he can say "SEE?  LOVESHADE ISN'T EVEN IN THE BOOK!  YOU SUCKERS RUINED THIS FOR NOTHING!"

There are basically two solution sets here:

Placid Dingo got a bunch of kickstarters to pay for a vacation, OR
Placid Dingo publishes a paean to a pedo.

Well done.

The Kickstarter overwhelmingly did not pay for this project.

If anyone is upset enough that they feel they need a refund I will provide one

Okay, then it's the second one.  Though you did mention that at least 25% of the funding came from that sort of thing.

While I have a vibe I'll be told 'I saw it on Facebook somewhere' that number is completely inaccurate and I have no recollection of saying anything like that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 05:48:49 pm
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While I have a vibe I'll be told 'I saw it on Facebook somewhere' that number is completely inaccurate and I have no recollection of saying anything like that.

Jackass.

Oh thank you!

You in fact have the honor of tipping me over the 1/4 mark!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 05:52:56 pm
On a slightly different note, I would be interested to hear more about what made Dingo start to believe he was talking to multiple Loveshade sock puppets...

I mentioned some of the early Discordians to Adam Gorighlty that didn't turn out to exist. That was pretty much the giveaway.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 05:55:41 pm
On a slightly different note, I would be interested to hear more about what made Dingo start to believe he was talking to multiple Loveshade sock puppets...

I mentioned some of the early Discordians to Adam Gorighlty that didn't turn out to exist. That was pretty much the giveaway.

Adam Gorightly is a loveshade sock?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 05:56:19 pm
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While I have a vibe I'll be told 'I saw it on Facebook somewhere' that number is completely inaccurate and I have no recollection of saying anything like that.

Jackass.

Oh thank you!

You in fact have the honor of tipping me over the 1/4 mark!

That donation would have made my Kickstarter reach $250. That was 1/4 of my Kickstarter of $1000. 1000$ is nowhere near a quarter funds spent.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 05:56:51 pm
Great. So a deceitful, self-aggrandizing, plagarising jackass is more important than BIP, Common Walls, The Machine, and the Chao te Ching.


How exactly should we be feeling about that, do you think?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 05:57:27 pm
On a slightly different note, I would be interested to hear more about what made Dingo start to believe he was talking to multiple Loveshade sock puppets...

I mentioned some of the early Discordians to Adam Gorighlty that didn't turn out to exist. That was pretty much the giveaway.

Adam Gorightly is a loveshade sock?

No. He's probably the best informed person anywhere on early Discordianism. So if these people were real, he's have heard of them.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 05:58:13 pm
Great. So a deceitful, self-aggrandizing, plagarising jackass is more important than BIP, Common Walls, The Machine, and the Chao te Ching.


How exactly should we be feeling about that, do you think?

He doesn't give a fuck.  He's just here to "steward his reputation".  And doing about as well as the last asshole that felt the need to do that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 06:39:41 pm
Nigel's Question. Why are you even still here talking about that to a bunch of people who didn't participate and don't matter with regards to your project as it panned out?

I said before, because I spoke up to correct some inaccuracies, that I would butt out unless people wanted to ask questions or if there was something too inaccurate to ignore. That's what I'm here for.

So, you're "stewarding your reputation", ala Ben Mack?

I'm answering questions.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 22, 2013, 06:41:55 pm
LMNO, all I can do is repeat that I'm not making judgments of importance. I was excited about your interview and disappointed that it didn't eventuate.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 06:54:51 pm
Nigel's Question. Why are you even still here talking about that to a bunch of people who didn't participate and don't matter with regards to your project as it panned out?

I said before, because I spoke up to correct some inaccuracies, that I would butt out unless people wanted to ask questions or if there was something too inaccurate to ignore. That's what I'm here for.

So, you're "stewarding your reputation", ala Ben Mack?

I'm answering questions.

So, "yes".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 06:55:20 pm
LMNO, all I can do is repeat that I'm not making judgments of importance. I was excited about your interview and disappointed that it didn't eventuate.

You should run for office.  Or get a job in HR.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 07:31:16 pm
LMNO, all I can do is repeat that I'm not making judgments of importance.

Sure you are.  That's what a choice is.  Your choice, the one you hold so dear, is about evaluating the consequences, and then selecting the option that maximizes your goal.  The option that maximizes your goal is the more important option.

So, you are presenting yourself as someone who feels Loveshade's contribution to Discordia is more important than ours.


It's odd I have to explain this to you.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 08:00:23 pm
I understand that the choice was handed to Placid Dingo, and I myself am not very good with ultimatums (I almost always immediately choose against the person issuing them), but in this case, well...

...It's like someone saying "We're interviewing people to talk about raising children.  We'd like to speak with you, Mr Rogers, Leo Buscalia, and, um, John Wayne Gacy.  Are you okay with that?"

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 23, 2013, 09:13:10 am
A: Well, not so, but all I mean by relevant, if that was my term, is that Loveshade is well known within Discordia online, through his websites mostly and his book, and his various conflicts with other members of the community.

So why mention him at all? If he's know primarily online through his sketchy websites, his sketchy book and his various conflicts with other Discordians over the fact that he's a sketchy fuck using Discordianism as a rationale for diddling... Um... How is that representative of Discordia at all? I mean, seriously, including him at all to begin with is a failure of the project. I do not consider Loveshade a Discordian of note. I do not consider him significant in the Discordian movement. Not any more so than say, I dunno, Number 6? Number 6 had a website and conflicts with other members of the community. Why not focus on Number 6? At least he didn't argue in favor of pedophilia.

Loveshade's about as significant to a discussion about what it means to be a Discordian as John Salvi is about what it means to be Catholic.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 23, 2013, 09:18:14 am
I actually didn't come back to reply but felt there was one more thing I wished to mention.

Paes talked about 'journalistic integrity.' Not sure if his word or mine but I guess where he's used that I just say honesty.

This was where my reasons for involving Loveshade were challenged and among other points, the point was made that it would be bad to associate Discordia with his ideas. My feeling here is that I disagree. Loveshade, who calls himself a Discordian has upset other Discordians by sharing ideas that have upset people for extremely valid reasons, and to be honest about that is to promote a culture of honesty and avoid embracing a culture of secrecy. This isn't me saying why I will discuss Loveshade becaue as I've mentioned those are choices that will come out of the editing process; but it is a reason why I do not accept the idea that his views are too terrible to be aknowledged honestly and critically.

It is 3-am. I sleep now. Please give me a little more leeway on this particular post, because my brain is slowing.

Too terrible?

I was thinking not too significant.

Look dude, I'm sorry, but Loveshade is not a quintessential Discordian thinker. He's just not. If he was, I probably wouldn't be a Discordian. I didn't even know who the fuck he was until Pope Tom told me over a beer.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 23, 2013, 09:22:41 am
that I regard Loveshade or anyone else as more important than the rest

You're on the right track here but don't go far enough.

Honestly the only time I think about Loveshade is when he's brought up. Loveshade is unimportant.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 23, 2013, 09:39:17 am
LMNO, all I can do is repeat that I'm not making judgments of importance. I was excited about your interview and disappointed that it didn't eventuate.

The fuck you aren't.

Isn't that the whole point of choosing, as the editor, which interviews make it into the book?

You did in fact make a judgment about Loveshade's importance, otherwise, you'd have been like, um, who?

I gotta be quite honest, if I were doing the same project and you had never thought of it, Loveshade would never have been on the list to begin with. And not because of his distasteful nature. Granted, that would have played into me not meeting with the guy if I ended up in his city to meet actual Discordians of note at all, but really man, Loveshade. Not a consideration. At all. By any stretch of the imagination. I really don't know why any part of you entertained the thought longer than going down a list and immediately rejecting him.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 23, 2013, 03:59:27 pm
Blight.

Q: So why mention him at all?
And
How is that representative of Discordia at all?

A: Some people seem to think I had some kind of list of Discordians where I hand picked the ones who were the most 'important' or 'classic' or the 'best representatives'' or whatever. 

I don't. 

I wanted to take myself away from any preconceived ideas of what I thought Discordianism was or meant, and hear it through the eyes of Discordians. For that reason my only measure of 'worthiness' for the interviews I have done and continue to do was 'do they self-identify as Discordian?' If they did, and were willing to give me the time for an interview, I wanted to do the interview. Actually even so, some of my favourite interviews have been people who have not explicitly self identified as Discordian, so hopefully that gives an idea of the breadth of who I was speaking to. The only interview subjects who offered an interview that I declined were refused because they would result in my making completely insane travel decisions (LA to Austin via Dakota for example).

So as far as the second question goes, if something is 'representative' of Discordia or not, is not something I'm addressing, although I have said previously in addressing concerns that I will note that Loveshade's views have been disavowed by large parts of the Discordian community.

As for the first, why mention Loveshade, one answer is that he meets the above criteria. Another is that he was kind of wrapped up in the early part of the book's process.

As mentioned there were mails from a number of people I now believe are Loveshade. His name was mentioned by the two of my Brisbane interviews where there had been conflicts, and then while Adam never named him, it was made clear to me by him that I was being played for a fool by the "original Discordians" I was in contact with: considering that he had never heard of them. Embarrassingly I had also asked Louise Lacy if she knew any of these names too, and she had, of course, no recollection.

This was all, I think, before the forum erupted with drama about Loveshade. But after that I also heard him mentioned in a handful of quotes in interviews, mostly (entirely? I think) in reference to the controversy. And then of course the controversy itself. So as far as why would I mention him, part of the answer is that he's been part of the story quite beyond my decision to interview him.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 23, 2013, 04:19:22 pm
Blight 2.

Q: Isn't that the whole point of choosing, as the editor, which interviews make it into the book?

A: Of course I will be making value judgements about which interviews suit my work better.

Of course I'm making judgments about if I'm willing to negotiate editorial decisions (other than in relation to their own interview) with people I interview (I'm not).

When I say I'm not making value judgments I'm saying that I don't think any one person is more important or more likeable or more interesting than any another. I am making choices about how I put my book together and those choices never amount to a personal assessment of how much I value one individual over another. 

Choosing not to give others input over the editing process (other than to veto or correct details of their own interview) or choosing to use or not use one of the interviews is part of me trying to create something of interest. It is not me pointing to people and saying 'I like you less' or 'I think you don't matter.' I cannot stop anyone who insists on taking my choices as a judgment of their personal value, but I don't do that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 23, 2013, 04:22:16 pm
All you're doing now is finding different ways to say I RETAIN CONTROL.


Which makes for really shitty literature.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2013, 05:27:38 pm
I don't think it's about representing Discordia for him. It's just a power struggle, an ego trip.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Telarus on November 23, 2013, 08:05:06 pm
There are multiple PD spags already participating in this project, but I noticed none of them are talking about it here (including myself). That's interesting, but probably all I'm going to say of the matter.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2013, 08:43:23 pm
There are multiple PD spags already participating in this project, but I noticed none of them are talking about it here (including myself). That's interesting, but probably all I'm going to say of the matter.

I don't blame you, since if you're participating you probably DON'T think it's a steaming shit heap, and don't want to be judged for not thinking so.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2013, 08:48:04 pm
Although to be fair, I didn't feel it turned into a steaming shit heap until after some of us backed out because we felt uncomfortable being represented alongside Loveshade, and Dingo's subsequent screeching about sabotage and creative control. It was initially simply an untenable choice for some of us, so we said no thank you.

I am at this point not entirely sure I'm comfortable being associated with Discordianism at all, which of course creates some uncomfortable dissonance for me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Payne on November 23, 2013, 08:56:06 pm
At the moment, I actually have very little idea what this project is or if I have participated or not.

Dingo was at my shitty little flat when I came home one day and interviewed Pixie, and he and I chatted for a bit too - but having been pretty much completely out of the loop (PD-wise) for well over a year I didn't know about the project before hand, really. I think Pixie said at some point that he was coming over to interview her for something.

Anyway, I have no idea if me and Dingo chatting had much to do with his project or not as I explicitly don't identify as Discordian.

All this being the case I have nothing really to add to this discussion, though I follow it with interest.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 24, 2013, 07:14:42 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

More bump, and profound gratitude to ECH.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Telarus on November 24, 2013, 08:16:57 pm
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

I have no problem with LMNO, Nigel, Roger, etc, personally choosing not to participate. Hell, I chose to make Loveshade not important by not making him critical to my decision to participate. This was after I had met Dingo and got to know him, and the project, a bit better and realized how little LS would contribute compared to other sources.

But, that's the post that made me say something.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2013, 01:06:15 am
There are multiple PD spags already participating in this project, but I noticed none of them are talking about it here (including myself). That's interesting, but probably all I'm going to say of the matter.

That's on you (and them).  I won't have anything to do with that plagiarizing pedo fuckhead (Loveshade), to include volunteering to be in a book that by any means associates he & I, on account of A) he's a pedo, and B) he steals people's work and tries to make cash off of it.

You do what you want.  I'm doing what I want.

That's my Discordia.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2013, 01:07:44 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

I have no problem with LMNO, Nigel, Roger, etc, personally choosing not to participate. Hell, I chose to make Loveshade not important by not making him critical to my decision to participate. This was after I had met Dingo and got to know him, and the project, a bit better and realized how little LS would contribute compared to other sources.

But, that's the post that made me say something.

I don't think he was saying that nobody from here could participate. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 25, 2013, 01:12:16 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2013, 01:50:11 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

He sure as fuck appears to have zero training in journalism, anthropology, or sociology. :lol:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 25, 2013, 02:51:35 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hi Net!

Irrelevant, but it's been awhile.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 25, 2013, 11:31:46 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hey Net,

No, I'm not a journalist by any stretch of the imagination. I am starting a journalism course. I haven't been flattering myself that anything I do now is seriously 'journalism.'

Principles I have taken though, in my first course, I was introduced to the idea of objectivity as a process. This meant you didn't have to make work that is completely unopinionated, but you do have to essentially give your readers enough information that if they think you're full of it, they can check your claims easily. From memory this meant

- if you know something, explain where you know it from.
- if you can't say where you know it from, say why you can't tell us (why was this source so important you were willing to take them off the record)
- if you make or report a criticism, you give the subject the right of response
- if you have a conflict of interest, announce it.

I love John Pilger very dearly. He exemplifies the above. Pretty much a card carrying lefty, he gives detailed investigation into complex world issues and has been given interviews with pretty major figures. Also the Aussie investigation into asbestos interests me.

In terms of influence, Jon Ronson and Louis Theuroux both have a detached, objective and non judgemental style I admire.

For one and three; me being active in and having a vested interest in Discordia I've done three things. I've been honest about my involvement, I've attempted to consciously step away from my own biases to let people define Discordia for themselves, and I've made mention of my own views, when occasionally relevant. Of course that last one will stay or go in the editing.

In case of 2 that it has nearly zero public awareness, at present I am explaining the origins of Discordia, then kind of building up a slow map of the Discordian egragore through the people I meet; someone says greyface, I explain what that means, etc. The main thing I'm doing is avoiding giving an explicit estimation of what Discordia IS, but emphasising the variation in interpretations. And of course while all this in what's happening in the writing process, if there's any problems left in place, the editing will aim to resolve them.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2013, 01:51:19 pm
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hey Net,

No, I'm not a journalist by any stretch of the imagination. I am starting a journalism course. I haven't been flattering myself that anything I do now is seriously 'journalism.'

Principles I have taken though, in my first course, I was introduced to the idea of objectivity as a process. This meant you didn't have to make work that is completely unopinionated, but you do have to essentially give your readers enough information that if they think you're full of it, they can check your claims easily. From memory this meant

- if you know something, explain where you know it from.
- if you can't say where you know it from, say why you can't tell us (why was this source so important you were willing to take them off the record)
- if you make or report a criticism, you give the subject the right of response
- if you have a conflict of interest, announce it.

I love John Pilger very dearly. He exemplifies the above. Pretty much a card carrying lefty, he gives detailed investigation into complex world issues and has been given interviews with pretty major figures. Also the Aussie investigation into asbestos interests me.

In terms of influence, Jon Ronson and Louis Theuroux both have a detached, objective and non judgemental style I admire.

For one and three; me being active in and having a vested interest in Discordia I've done three things. I've been honest about my involvement, I've attempted to consciously step away from my own biases to let people define Discordia for themselves, and I've made mention of my own views, when occasionally relevant. Of course that last one will stay or go in the editing.

In case of 2 that it has nearly zero public awareness, at present I am explaining the origins of Discordia, then kind of building up a slow map of the Discordian egragore through the people I meet; someone says greyface, I explain what that means, etc. The main thing I'm doing is avoiding giving an explicit estimation of what Discordia IS, but emphasising the variation in interpretations. And of course while all this in what's happening in the writing process, if there's any problems left in place, the editing will aim to resolve them.

Drawing a map.

Drawing a map that has one central feature.  No other features are necessary.

Success.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 25, 2013, 01:53:29 pm
PD.COM: "Here Be Dragons".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2013, 02:06:47 pm
PD.COM: "Here Be Dragons".

I wrote you directions to Tucson, LMNO.  But I fucking hate the flyover states, so I just left them out.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2013, 02:07:28 pm
Also, New Hampshire had to be in those directions, because New Hampshire was "an early part of the process".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2013, 05:33:23 pm
PD.COM: "Here Be Dragons".

From what ECH said, if Dingo honors his wishes, there won't even be that much. No mention at all.

One can only hope.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2013, 05:39:58 pm
PD.COM: "Here Be Dragons".

From what ECH said, if Dingo honors his wishes, there won't even be that much. No mention at all.

One can only hope.

Well, I don't think the book is going to sweep the globe and have half the planet in here screaming at us, one way or another.  Not even worried about that.

To me, this is a matter of principle.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 25, 2013, 10:08:40 pm
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

He sure as fuck appears to have zero training in journalism, anthropology, or sociology. :lol:

Ya gotta start somewhere, right?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 25, 2013, 10:26:20 pm
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 25, 2013, 10:31:28 pm
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hi Net!

Irrelevant, but it's been awhile.

Hey Blight!

I've been on an observant, contemplative trip lately. Since I type all day at work it's been one of the last things that I want to do after my 11-12 hour days.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 26, 2013, 12:01:20 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.

I smell bullDingoshit.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 12:06:32 am
PD.COM: "Here Be Dragons".

From what ECH said, if Dingo honors his wishes, there won't even be that much. No mention at all.

One can only hope.

Well, I don't think the book is going to sweep the globe and have half the planet in here screaming at us, one way or another.  Not even worried about that.

To me, this is a matter of principle.

True enough.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 12:08:26 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

He sure as fuck appears to have zero training in journalism, anthropology, or sociology. :lol:

Ya gotta start somewhere, right?

More power to him. Hopefully he'll treat subsequent projects with a little more finesse. I think he really could have benefitted from the part of the training that teaches you that when you're writing about people, it's not really your project, it's theirs.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 12:08:49 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.

OH SNAP!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 26, 2013, 01:11:10 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.

Facebook messages 18/11/2012 (or 19th depending on how tomezones affect message date stamps), my message and your reply.
If you wish I can bump the conversation for you, or if you like I can disregard it and understand that the quote in this thread remains your full and only position.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 04:53:50 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hi Net!

Irrelevant, but it's been awhile.

Hey Blight!

I've been on an observant, contemplative trip lately. Since I type all day at work it's been one of the last things that I want to do after my 11-12 hour days.

I hear that. I'm back and school myself, so it's a bit iffy if I'll post or even read some days.

More power to the thinking dude. I hope it's a good trip.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 26, 2013, 06:00:33 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hey Net,

No, I'm not a journalist by any stretch of the imagination. I am starting a journalism course. I haven't been flattering myself that anything I do now is seriously 'journalism.'

Principles I have taken though, in my first course, I was introduced to the idea of objectivity as a process. This meant you didn't have to make work that is completely unopinionated, but you do have to essentially give your readers enough information that if they think you're full of it, they can check your claims easily. From memory this meant

- if you know something, explain where you know it from.
- if you can't say where you know it from, say why you can't tell us (why was this source so important you were willing to take them off the record)
- if you make or report a criticism, you give the subject the right of response
- if you have a conflict of interest, announce it.

I love John Pilger very dearly. He exemplifies the above. Pretty much a card carrying lefty, he gives detailed investigation into complex world issues and has been given interviews with pretty major figures. Also the Aussie investigation into asbestos interests me.

In terms of influence, Jon Ronson and Louis Theuroux both have a detached, objective and non judgemental style I admire.

For one and three; me being active in and having a vested interest in Discordia I've done three things. I've been honest about my involvement, I've attempted to consciously step away from my own biases to let people define Discordia for themselves, and I've made mention of my own views, when occasionally relevant. Of course that last one will stay or go in the editing.

In case of 2 that it has nearly zero public awareness, at present I am explaining the origins of Discordia, then kind of building up a slow map of the Discordian egragore through the people I meet; someone says greyface, I explain what that means, etc. The main thing I'm doing is avoiding giving an explicit estimation of what Discordia IS, but emphasising the variation in interpretations. And of course while all this in what's happening in the writing process, if there's any problems left in place, the editing will aim to resolve them.

Thanks for such a detailed response. That makes a lot of sense, but there’s just one point that I’m still unclear about.

By vested interest I was more referring to monetary gain. My understanding is that you are planning on getting your work published on a for-profit basis. You’re spending a significant amount of time and money to make the live interviews happen. That said, I’m not sure how important it is that you recoup these expenses.

If we examine the disagreement about LS in terms of your monetary interests, we’d have to look at the marketablity of your book to both publishers to distribute it and the end consumers who would buy it. So it seems like a fair question to ask—do you think that including LS content could possibly increase the appeal to publishers or increase sales of the published book?

Suppose a publisher said they’d print your work but only if you edit it to include more emphasis on LS and people’s various reactions to his opinions. Would you edit it to appease the publisher? Or suppose a publisher said they looked up LS and said there is no way they’re publishing the book if you include his interview?

How important is it to you that these interviews are published? How important is it that you recoup costs? How important is it that you make a profit? And how do these interests relate to your editorial decisions?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 26, 2013, 06:24:34 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

He sure as fuck appears to have zero training in journalism, anthropology, or sociology. :lol:

Ya gotta start somewhere, right?

More power to him. Hopefully he'll treat subsequent projects with a little more finesse. I think he really could have benefitted from the part of the training that teaches you that when you're writing about people, it's not really your project, it's theirs.

I agree and I hope I can understand more as to why Dingo went the direction he did, because it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 26, 2013, 07:09:22 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hi Net!

Irrelevant, but it's been awhile.

Hey Blight!

I've been on an observant, contemplative trip lately. Since I type all day at work it's been one of the last things that I want to do after my 11-12 hour days.

I hear that. I'm back and school myself, so it's a bit iffy if I'll post or even read some days.

More power to the thinking dude. I hope it's a good trip.

It's been good all right.

I can't say much about it because it's often in relation to the multi-corporation clusterfuck at which I work and how fastidious they are about internet content that puts them in a bad light, let alone the non-disclosure agreement I signed.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 26, 2013, 07:14:08 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.

Facebook messages 18/11/2012 (or 19th depending on how tomezones affect message date stamps), my message and your reply.
If you wish I can bump the conversation for you, or if you like I can disregard it and understand that the quote in this thread remains your full and only position.

You are correct, and I completely forgot about it. But I feel exactly how LMNO described a few pages back, so I'm not feeling all that charitable about it. I'd really prefer if PD.com was left out of the book.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 07:29:24 am
It seems very much like you want to be a journalist, Dingo, so I'm curious about whether you have experience in the field. What have you reported on? What are your most important principles in producing a piece of journalism?

Could you give an example of a journalist, documentarian, or a particular piece of work that you hold in high esteem? What special considerations, if any, do you keep in mind in terms of writing about a culture that 1) you're an active participant in, 2) has nearly zero awareness among the broader public, and 3) that you have a vested interest in?

Hi Net!

Irrelevant, but it's been awhile.

Hey Blight!

I've been on an observant, contemplative trip lately. Since I type all day at work it's been one of the last things that I want to do after my 11-12 hour days.

I hear that. I'm back and school myself, so it's a bit iffy if I'll post or even read some days.

More power to the thinking dude. I hope it's a good trip.

It's been good all right.

I can't say much about it because it's often in relation to the multi-corporation clusterfuck at which I work and how fastidious they are about internet content that puts them in a bad light, let alone the non-disclosure agreement I signed.

Say no more. Good to see you again, glad it's good.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 08:16:04 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.

Facebook messages 18/11/2012 (or 19th depending on how tomezones affect message date stamps), my message and your reply.
If you wish I can bump the conversation for you, or if you like I can disregard it and understand that the quote in this thread remains your full and only position.

You are correct, and I completely forgot about it. But I feel exactly how LMNO described a few pages back, so I'm not feeling all that charitable about it. I'd really prefer if PD.com was left out of the book.

Also, what's up with him and the "oh he didn't mean what he said, I'll pretend it was unclear and ask for clarification"?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 26, 2013, 08:47:02 am
It was more of a "hey, if I interview people and they mention PD.com in the interview I'm probably gonna use it unless my lawyers tell me I have to redact the name of the forum because editorial control blah blah blah".

Or, in the more common vernacular, it was more of a "hey, fuck you guys".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 26, 2013, 08:49:35 am
The reality is, obviously, that I won't bother pursuing any legal action even if any were possible. I don't have access to the sort of funds that Dingo seems to have laying around, nor the time to waste on something so petty. But the final editorial decision will certainly reveal a whole lot about his character.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pæs on November 26, 2013, 08:53:54 am
I'm basically already committed to WOMPing his head onto TERRIBLE THINGS, hosting them somewhere and then making sure that's the first thing that comes up when you Google "Chasing Eris".

I mean, I don't especially dislike the guy, it just seems appropriate.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 26, 2013, 09:16:11 am
Q: Do you think that including LS content could possibly increase the appeal to publishers or increase sales of the published book? 

A: Short answer is no. Longer answer is that I didn't really consider it strongly one way or the other. 

A: Suppose a publisher said they’d print your work but only if you edit it to include more emphasis on LS and people’s various reactions to his opinions. Would you edit it to appease the publisher? Or suppose a publisher said they looked up LS and said there is no way they’re publishing the book if you include his interview? 

A: While being pretty hesitant to go too far down the path of hypotheticals, I will say a few things about this. First is that yes, the publisher does get to make suggestions that other participants do not. I am pretty sure I've alluded to that before.
Also, I have a potential publisher, who I won't name just yet out of avoiding presumption*, but they are someone I feel secure in being able to work with. As I've said before I do still regard myself as Discordian, and have a vested interest in displaying Discordia fairly and accurately, so while it's plausible that a publisher could ask me to make choices that would not meet this goal, the publisher I've spoken with is involved in Discordia, and I do trust them not to ask me to make choices that damage the integrity of the work. If it falls through with the current publisher and I work with someone else, naturally I will evaluate suggestions and if it takes things in a direction I'm uncomfortable with I'm willing to look at alternative options. 

Q: How important is it to you that these interviews are published? 

A: I suspect everything will be published at some point, as stand alone interviews or in the book. But how important is it that any given interview is published in the book? Not especially. It's important that I have the best final product possible and for that reason I have some favourites, but I'm prepared for the brutality of judgement that comes with the cut and burn of the editing process (the horror! The horror!)

Q: How important is it that you recoup costs? How important is it that you make a profit? And how do these interests relate to your editorial decisions?

A: This project, on paper, makes no sense. The short answer to the first two questions is that I don't realistically have any expectation of recouping costs and therefore have less expectation of making a profit. From a financial standpoint this project is a weird thing to do. From the standpoint of being in a bit of a rut, in a small town I'd grown frustrated by and a desire to produce something creative, it makes more sense. My main hope with this is that I produce something interesting and high quality enough that I can start to open up creative opportunities for myself that I didn't have access to previously.







*not Anaphora, before the conspiracy theory starts forming.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on November 26, 2013, 09:43:43 am
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.

Facebook messages 18/11/2012 (or 19th depending on how tomezones affect message date stamps), my message and your reply.
If you wish I can bump the conversation for you, or if you like I can disregard it and understand that the quote in this thread remains your full and only position.

You are correct, and I completely forgot about it. But I feel exactly how LMNO described a few pages back, so I'm not feeling all that charitable about it. I'd really prefer if PD.com was left out of the book.

I'd make an exception:
This is a repository of every Discordian material I can get my hands on, nothing there is for sale, it's all hosted here and I want to include this in it.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/readinglist.php
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 26, 2013, 10:54:06 am
Dingo was here in the UK with Purpleris and I a couple weeks ago. I'm sure we discussed PD.com in our interviews, both because that's how we met and because I went on a long rant about how wrong I was in my initial observations on BiP and some other stuff. I personally think its absurd to request that the website not be mentioned when some (but not all) of the Discordians interviewed know each other because of this forum and it plays a part in their life directly related to the topic being discussed.

Also, having met Dingo and talked about this entire mess... well I'm sorry some of you decided not to be involved, because thus far, its looking like lots of good material from many Discordians, Discordian history and Discordian groups... Based on what I know at this point, it looks like IF RL gets mentioned, it would be in a small email interview that's pretty much nothing. Fears that it would somehow taint everyone else seem, to me, absurd. I was impressed with Dingo and with some of the material I looked at. It may well end up being a damned good snapshot of Discordia in the 21st century and I'm sorry that some rather smart and cool Discordians chose not to participate.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Junkenstein on November 26, 2013, 11:08:18 am
For the ignorant and interested, what's the deal with Loveshade? Various allegations make him seem less than savoury to say the least and if any of them have any substance then it makes some of the decisions taken ITT very strange indeed.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 26, 2013, 11:20:48 am
For the ignorant and interested, what's the deal with Loveshade? Various allegations make him seem less than savoury to say the least and if any of them have any substance then it makes some of the decisions taken ITT very strange indeed.

Loveshade is a guy that says many things... some of those things appear to be real, some appear to be bullshit... indeed verylarge% seems to be bullshit. One of his pet things to rant about is that its not right/fair for there to be an age of consent, since he had a good first sexual experience as an underaged person with an adult. He sadly takes this opinion and stretches beyond the realm of credulity and it seems to be a pretty huge bar in his personal BiP. This led to normal PD fistacuffs and Loveshade went way too far trying to defend the idea and came off sounding like a pederast. He may or may not be a pederast, but it was squicky enough that his Golden Apple got Black Balled.

On top of that he often sticks his name on other work, takes credit for stuff he hasn't done or has only had a small hand in... added other peoples name to his stuff and generally behaves in a way that makes the little 17th century British guy in my head say "Bad Form, Sir!"

All in all, some guy who has his name plastered all over the Internet as being a big part of Discordia... but in reality he seems more like a blow hard to me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on November 26, 2013, 11:43:02 am
It is pretty much all hot air from him.

He and this site were investigated the year before I took over hosting it. Nothing was found or he would have been prosecuted. Chances are he is just an unpleasant sleazy man with delusions about sexuality which could be harmful if anyone listened to him. Which they don't.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 26, 2013, 02:55:47 pm
Q: Do you think that including LS content could possibly increase the appeal to publishers or increase sales of the published book?

A: Short answer is no. Longer answer is that I didn't really consider it strongly one way or the other.

A: Suppose a publisher said they’d print your work but only if you edit it to include more emphasis on LS and people’s various reactions to his opinions. Would you edit it to appease the publisher? Or suppose a publisher said they looked up LS and said there is no way they’re publishing the book if you include his interview?

A: While being pretty hesitant to go too far down the path of hypotheticals, I will say a few things about this. First is that yes, the publisher does get to make suggestions that other participants do not. I am pretty sure I've alluded to that before.
Also, I have a potential publisher, who I won't name just yet out of avoiding presumption*, but they are someone I feel secure in being able to work with. As I've said before I do still regard myself as Discordian, and have a vested interest in displaying Discordia fairly and accurately, so while it's plausible that a publisher could ask me to make choices that would not meet this goal, the publisher I've spoken with is involved in Discordia, and I do trust them not to ask me to make choices that damage the integrity of the work. If it falls through with the current publisher and I work with someone else, naturally I will evaluate suggestions and if it takes things in a direction I'm uncomfortable with I'm willing to look at alternative options.

Q: How important is it to you that these interviews are published?

A: I suspect everything will be published at some point, as stand alone interviews or in the book. But how important is it that any given interview is published in the book? Not especially. It's important that I have the best final product possible and for that reason I have some favourites, but I'm prepared for the brutality of judgement that comes with the cut and burn of the editing process (the horror! The horror!)

Q: How important is it that you recoup costs? How important is it that you make a profit? And how do these interests relate to your editorial decisions?

A: This project, on paper, makes no sense. The short answer to the first two questions is that I don't realistically have any expectation of recouping costs and therefore have less expectation of making a profit. From a financial standpoint this project is a weird thing to do. From the standpoint of being in a bit of a rut, in a small town I'd grown frustrated by and a desire to produce something creative, it makes more sense. My main hope with this is that I produce something interesting and high quality enough that I can start to open up creative opportunities for myself that I didn't have access to previously.







*not Anaphora, before the conspiracy theory starts forming.


I think it's really cute how you interview yourself whenever anyone asks a couple questions.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 26, 2013, 04:07:38 pm
I'm basically already committed to WOMPing his head onto TERRIBLE THINGS, hosting them somewhere and then making sure that's the first thing that comes up when you Google "Chasing Eris".

I mean, I don't especially dislike the guy, it just seems appropriate.

Some google bombing and redirects to the bodyshake page might be in order.
We could even make a new word out of "Loveshade". You know, like they did with "Santorum".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 04:57:03 pm
Q: Do you think that including LS content could possibly increase the appeal to publishers or increase sales of the published book?

A: Short answer is no. Longer answer is that I didn't really consider it strongly one way or the other.

A: Suppose a publisher said they’d print your work but only if you edit it to include more emphasis on LS and people’s various reactions to his opinions. Would you edit it to appease the publisher? Or suppose a publisher said they looked up LS and said there is no way they’re publishing the book if you include his interview?

A: While being pretty hesitant to go too far down the path of hypotheticals, I will say a few things about this. First is that yes, the publisher does get to make suggestions that other participants do not. I am pretty sure I've alluded to that before.
Also, I have a potential publisher, who I won't name just yet out of avoiding presumption*, but they are someone I feel secure in being able to work with. As I've said before I do still regard myself as Discordian, and have a vested interest in displaying Discordia fairly and accurately, so while it's plausible that a publisher could ask me to make choices that would not meet this goal, the publisher I've spoken with is involved in Discordia, and I do trust them not to ask me to make choices that damage the integrity of the work. If it falls through with the current publisher and I work with someone else, naturally I will evaluate suggestions and if it takes things in a direction I'm uncomfortable with I'm willing to look at alternative options.

Q: How important is it to you that these interviews are published?

A: I suspect everything will be published at some point, as stand alone interviews or in the book. But how important is it that any given interview is published in the book? Not especially. It's important that I have the best final product possible and for that reason I have some favourites, but I'm prepared for the brutality of judgement that comes with the cut and burn of the editing process (the horror! The horror!)

Q: How important is it that you recoup costs? How important is it that you make a profit? And how do these interests relate to your editorial decisions?

A: This project, on paper, makes no sense. The short answer to the first two questions is that I don't realistically have any expectation of recouping costs and therefore have less expectation of making a profit. From a financial standpoint this project is a weird thing to do. From the standpoint of being in a bit of a rut, in a small town I'd grown frustrated by and a desire to produce something creative, it makes more sense. My main hope with this is that I produce something interesting and high quality enough that I can start to open up creative opportunities for myself that I didn't have access to previously.







*not Anaphora, before the conspiracy theory starts forming.


I think it's really cute how you interview yourself whenever anyone asks a couple questions.

If "cute" is a euphemism for "batshit", then I agree.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 05:05:07 pm
Dingo was here in the UK with Purpleris and I a couple weeks ago. I'm sure we discussed PD.com in our interviews, both because that's how we met and because I went on a long rant about how wrong I was in my initial observations on BiP and some other stuff. I personally think its absurd to request that the website not be mentioned when some (but not all) of the Discordians interviewed know each other because of this forum and it plays a part in their life directly related to the topic being discussed.

Also, having met Dingo and talked about this entire mess... well I'm sorry some of you decided not to be involved, because thus far, its looking like lots of good material from many Discordians, Discordian history and Discordian groups... Based on what I know at this point, it looks like IF RL gets mentioned, it would be in a small email interview that's pretty much nothing. Fears that it would somehow taint everyone else seem, to me, absurd. I was impressed with Dingo and with some of the material I looked at. It may well end up being a damned good snapshot of Discordia in the 21st century and I'm sorry that some rather smart and cool Discordians chose not to participate.

This is me not giving a shit.

He chose a pretty skeevy way of handling the whole thing, and has a fixation on "control". He can go fuck himself, I want nothing to do with him or any of his projects. Ever.

It started out just not wanting to participate in a project that involved Loveshade (and for the record, a number of us here made it clear that we won't participate in anything involving Loveshade before Dingo ever came along) but Dingo's dishonesty and dismissiveness have morphed it into not wanting to participate in a project that involves him. As far as I'm concerned he's the philosophical love child of Loveshade and Ben Mack.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 05:07:43 pm
Also, fuck the whole obsession with "Discordian history" I mean WTF who cares? Oooo somebody once shook hands with Bob!

Jesus

nobody fucking gives a shit, a bunch of smelly hippies existed. The weird overtones of sycophantery are about enough to make me want to wash my hands of Discordia altogether. It isn't "neat", it's "cultish and juvenile".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 05:27:22 pm
Dingo was here in the UK with Purpleris and I a couple weeks ago. I'm sure we discussed PD.com in our interviews, both because that's how we met and because I went on a long rant about how wrong I was in my initial observations on BiP and some other stuff. I personally think its absurd to request that the website not be mentioned when some (but not all) of the Discordians interviewed know each other because of this forum and it plays a part in their life directly related to the topic being discussed.

Also, having met Dingo and talked about this entire mess... well I'm sorry some of you decided not to be involved, because thus far, its looking like lots of good material from many Discordians, Discordian history and Discordian groups... Based on what I know at this point, it looks like IF RL gets mentioned, it would be in a small email interview that's pretty much nothing. Fears that it would somehow taint everyone else seem, to me, absurd. I was impressed with Dingo and with some of the material I looked at. It may well end up being a damned good snapshot of Discordia in the 21st century and I'm sorry that some rather smart and cool Discordians chose not to participate.

Yeah, fuck off.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 05:28:07 pm
Also, fuck the whole obsession with "Discordian history" I mean WTF who cares? Oooo somebody once shook hands with Bob!


Thing is, Discordianism isn't about yesterday.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: popeluvicasksc on November 26, 2013, 05:28:20 pm
This is better than a fucking soap opera. Where can I get this on DVD? :fap:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 05:29:41 pm
This is better than a fucking soap opera. Where can I get this on DVD? :fap:

...And the alts arrive.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: popeluvicasksc on November 26, 2013, 05:32:28 pm
This is better than a fucking soap opera. Where can I get this on DVD? :fap:

...And the alts arrive.   :lulz:

Nah, I'm an ancient who has lain in wait for countless eons waiting for the right time to rise from the black abyss and throw in this little comment. I'm not an alt.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 05:32:46 pm
This is better than a fucking soap opera. Where can I get this on DVD? :fap:

...And the alts arrive.   :lulz:

Nah, I'm an ancient who has lain in wait for countless eons waiting for the right time to rise from the black abyss and throw in this little comment. I'm not an alt.

I don't believe you.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: popeluvicasksc on November 26, 2013, 05:35:43 pm
This is better than a fucking soap opera. Where can I get this on DVD? :fap:

...And the alts arrive.   :lulz:

Nah, I'm an ancient who has lain in wait for countless eons waiting for the right time to rise from the black abyss and throw in this little comment. I'm not an alt.

I don't believe you.

Far be it from me to attempt to alter your beliefs in any sort of an overt manner. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. Even though you're wrong.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 05:38:34 pm
This is better than a fucking soap opera. Where can I get this on DVD? :fap:

...And the alts arrive.   :lulz:

Nah, I'm an ancient who has lain in wait for countless eons waiting for the right time to rise from the black abyss and throw in this little comment. I'm not an alt.

I don't believe you.

Far be it from me to attempt to alter your beliefs in any sort of an overt manner. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. Even though you're wrong.

Well, on your first post, you walked into a heated argument between people who have known each other for up to 10 years, and shat on the floor.  Both sides are going to assume you're an alt for the other side, even if you posted here for the next 10 years without ever bringing it up again.  Welcome to Discordia, and well done, that man.

Frankly, I don't really CARE if you're one of Loveshade's alts, because the above also implies that you're kind of stupid, and thus not worth talking to.

Good day.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: popeluvicasksc on November 26, 2013, 05:47:03 pm
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 26, 2013, 05:48:05 pm
Aren't you your own alt?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 05:49:32 pm
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: popeluvicasksc on November 26, 2013, 05:49:47 pm
Aren't you your own alt?

Nope. I'm my main.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 05:50:06 pm
Aren't you your own alt?

Who, me?  No, the other guy is dead.  Again.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: popeluvicasksc on November 26, 2013, 05:54:56 pm
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 06:08:01 pm
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.

Dude, just stop talking and go to another thread.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 26, 2013, 07:06:59 pm
I'm basically already committed to WOMPing his head onto TERRIBLE THINGS, hosting them somewhere and then making sure that's the first thing that comes up when you Google "Chasing Eris".

I mean, I don't especially dislike the guy, it just seems appropriate.

I don't especially dislike him either. I'm just hugely disappointed in how what should have been such a promising project seems to have turned out.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 26, 2013, 07:12:33 pm
I'm basically already committed to WOMPing his head onto TERRIBLE THINGS, hosting them somewhere and then making sure that's the first thing that comes up when you Google "Chasing Eris".

I mean, I don't especially dislike the guy, it just seems appropriate.

I don't especially dislike him either. I'm just hugely disappointed in how what should have been such a promising project seems to have turned out.

Ditto on this.  Though his attitude during all this has become rather distasteful to me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 26, 2013, 07:20:07 pm
Dingo's recent actions positively REEK of Captain Utopia. Especially the part where he thinks he's being reasonable in spite of it being totally obvious to everyone else how utterly fucked up his words and actions are.

Dingo, there's no reason for me to ban you from PD (personal feelings aside) but I will have to absolutely insist that the Chasing Eris project and any future projects you might look to publish are not in any way connected to PD.com. I don't even want this site, any of the content in this site, or any of the usernames on this site mentioned at all, not even in passing.

Post seen.

Also, bump.

Talk to ECH re: this. I have contacted him regarding concerns, and he has said he will get back to me.

I'm not sure when or how you contacted me and what you're waiting for me to get back to you on. I already made my wishes clear.

Facebook messages 18/11/2012 (or 19th depending on how tomezones affect message date stamps), my message and your reply.
If you wish I can bump the conversation for you, or if you like I can disregard it and understand that the quote in this thread remains your full and only position.

You are correct, and I completely forgot about it. But I feel exactly how LMNO described a few pages back, so I'm not feeling all that charitable about it. I'd really prefer if PD.com was left out of the book.

I'd make an exception:
This is a repository of every Discordian material I can get my hands on, nothing there is for sale, it's all hosted here and I want to include this in it.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/readinglist.php

I'm down with that. Like I said, I'm not feeling charitable but I'm also not feeling petty.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Hoopla! on November 26, 2013, 10:54:20 pm
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.


NEWS FLASH:  Discordians must NEVER argue amongst themselves, or else they aren't getting the irony!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on November 26, 2013, 11:37:45 pm
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.


NEWS FLASH:  Discordians must NEVER argue amongst themselves, or else they aren't getting the irony!

Discordians must never pass judgement on Discordians who argue amongst themselves. They too aren't getting the irony.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 12:43:28 am
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.


NEWS FLASH:  Discordians must NEVER argue amongst themselves, or else they aren't getting the irony!

Discordians must never pass judgement on Discordians who argue amongst themselves. They too aren't getting the irony.

Fuck irony.  It's the lowest form of humor, the only evidence of which I need offer is that it's the ONLY kind hipsters get.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 01:14:38 am
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.


NEWS FLASH:  Discordians must NEVER argue amongst themselves, or else they aren't getting the irony!

Discordians must never pass judgement on Discordians who argue amongst themselves. They too aren't getting the irony.

Fuck irony.  It's the lowest form of humor, the only evidence of which I need offer is that it's the ONLY kind hipsters get.

Hipsters are my favorite animal!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 01:15:21 am

Hipsters are my favorite animal!

Nigel makes hipster burgers every Friday, and then complains that all the tall bikes are empty.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 02:00:59 am

Hipsters are my favorite animal!

Nigel makes hipster burgers every Friday, and then complains that all the tall bikes are empty.

Tall bikes go in the river. It's the natural order of things.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 02:02:48 am

Hipsters are my favorite animal!

Nigel makes hipster burgers every Friday, and then complains that all the tall bikes are empty.

Tall bikes go in the river. It's the natural order of things.

Or on the bridge, where it will be blamed on suicide. 

But we aren't fooled.  No.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 02:41:05 am
I'm just doing my part.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on November 27, 2013, 09:19:03 am
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.


NEWS FLASH:  Discordians must NEVER argue amongst themselves, or else they aren't getting the irony!

Discordians must never pass judgement on Discordians who argue amongst themselves. They too aren't getting the irony.

Fuck irony.  It's the lowest form of humor, the only evidence of which I need offer is that it's the ONLY kind hipsters get.

Baloney, Hipsters base themselves on obvious irony but are completely incapable of perceiving layered irony.
Irony gets a bad wrap because it gets mixed up with negativity and aloofness. Which has not been ironic in some years because everyone is doing it
Being passionate and genuine is the new irony.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 27, 2013, 10:19:58 am
Dingo was here in the UK with Purpleris and I a couple weeks ago. I'm sure we discussed PD.com in our interviews, both because that's how we met and because I went on a long rant about how wrong I was in my initial observations on BiP and some other stuff. I personally think its absurd to request that the website not be mentioned when some (but not all) of the Discordians interviewed know each other because of this forum and it plays a part in their life directly related to the topic being discussed.

Also, having met Dingo and talked about this entire mess... well I'm sorry some of you decided not to be involved, because thus far, its looking like lots of good material from many Discordians, Discordian history and Discordian groups... Based on what I know at this point, it looks like IF RL gets mentioned, it would be in a small email interview that's pretty much nothing. Fears that it would somehow taint everyone else seem, to me, absurd. I was impressed with Dingo and with some of the material I looked at. It may well end up being a damned good snapshot of Discordia in the 21st century and I'm sorry that some rather smart and cool Discordians chose not to participate.

Yeah, fuck off.

Oh for fucks sake, man. I'm not trying to say you are wrong. I'm just sorry it ended up the way it did.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 27, 2013, 10:21:18 am
Also, fuck the whole obsession with "Discordian history" I mean WTF who cares? Oooo somebody once shook hands with Bob!


Thing is, Discordianism isn't about yesterday.

That's right. But we all stand on the shoulders of the madmen who came before. 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 27, 2013, 12:44:36 pm
Well ok, but the door is down there.

:points:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 04:44:26 pm
Dingo was here in the UK with Purpleris and I a couple weeks ago. I'm sure we discussed PD.com in our interviews, both because that's how we met and because I went on a long rant about how wrong I was in my initial observations on BiP and some other stuff. I personally think its absurd to request that the website not be mentioned when some (but not all) of the Discordians interviewed know each other because of this forum and it plays a part in their life directly related to the topic being discussed.

Also, having met Dingo and talked about this entire mess... well I'm sorry some of you decided not to be involved, because thus far, its looking like lots of good material from many Discordians, Discordian history and Discordian groups... Based on what I know at this point, it looks like IF RL gets mentioned, it would be in a small email interview that's pretty much nothing. Fears that it would somehow taint everyone else seem, to me, absurd. I was impressed with Dingo and with some of the material I looked at. It may well end up being a damned good snapshot of Discordia in the 21st century and I'm sorry that some rather smart and cool Discordians chose not to participate.

Yeah, fuck off.

Oh for fucks sake, man. I'm not trying to say you are wrong. I'm just sorry it ended up the way it did.

No, I know exactly what you said.  And fucking touche'.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 04:44:56 pm
Also, fuck the whole obsession with "Discordian history" I mean WTF who cares? Oooo somebody once shook hands with Bob!


Thing is, Discordianism isn't about yesterday.

That's right. But we all stand on the shoulders of the madmen who came before.

We do?  Really? 
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Payne on November 27, 2013, 06:09:23 pm
Also, fuck the whole obsession with "Discordian history" I mean WTF who cares? Oooo somebody once shook hands with Bob!


Thing is, Discordianism isn't about yesterday.

That's right. But we all stand on the shoulders of the madmen who came before.

We do?  Really?

Shoulder blades, at least. For we march on a road of bones.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 06:22:05 pm
Well, I'm sorry that my lighthearted and comical comment has for some reason offended you. I really am not anyone's alt. Even if these two have known one another for years it doesn't make it any less humorous. It's all in good fun.

So, walking into a bitter and extremely angry argument between people you don't know and being "comical" is your idea of "smart"?

And doing so for "fun", when the participants are obviously upset?

Well fucking done, sir.  Well fucking done.  You're a moron AND a sociopath.

Actually, I found it most entertaining how a thread that had been started because someone wanted to travel and interview other Discordians for the purposes of writing a book was gradually turned into a massive shit storm. I found it rather discordian and the irony amused me. No offense was intended.


NEWS FLASH:  Discordians must NEVER argue amongst themselves, or else they aren't getting the irony!

Discordians must never pass judgement on Discordians who argue amongst themselves. They too aren't getting the irony.

Fuck irony.  It's the lowest form of humor, the only evidence of which I need offer is that it's the ONLY kind hipsters get.

Baloney, Hipsters base themselves on obvious irony but are completely incapable of perceiving layered irony.
Irony gets a bad wrap because it gets mixed up with negativity and aloofness. Which has not been ironic in some years because everyone is doing it
Being passionate and genuine is the new irony.

I'm down with this.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 06:22:52 pm
Also, fuck the whole obsession with "Discordian history" I mean WTF who cares? Oooo somebody once shook hands with Bob!


Thing is, Discordianism isn't about yesterday.

That's right. But we all stand on the shoulders of the madmen who came before.

In MY Discordia, I'm standing on their graves. Well, not really standing, more like squatting.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 06:26:01 pm
I took ONE THING from the asshats back in the day:  THINK FOR YOURSELF.

The rest was all stoned-out hippie bullshit, which may have been funny or seemed profound at the time, but isn't now.

Spending all fucking day meticulously cataloging the old days is kinda COUNTER TO THE WHOLE IDEA.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 06:28:45 pm
Meh, every movement needs its historians. That's OK by me.

It's just that I'm not especially interested in history, it bores the piss out of me.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 06:29:25 pm
Discordianism is often referred to as a neophilic irreligion. What those words mean is important.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Payne on November 27, 2013, 06:35:18 pm
IMO

History is required by those who desire to place themselves on solid footing, presenting a secure image (more accurately a secure self-image) to the world at large. It is needed by those who wish to be taken seriously. Some within The United States have at times been guilty of this. Discordians wishing to be taken seriously for it's own sake strikes me as odd.

A more interesting project, for me, would be a discordian reading of history. Whether one goes for the Cramulan Approach (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,12756.0.html) is of course entirely optional.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 27, 2013, 06:40:05 pm
Appeal to Authority, ITT.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 06:42:21 pm
Solid footing is for those who lack the guts to run downhill on ice.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: LMNO on November 27, 2013, 06:43:30 pm
Solid footing is for those who lack the guts to run downhill on ice.

Newsfeed/Memebomb?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Payne on November 27, 2013, 06:48:13 pm
Solid footing is for those who lack the guts to run downhill on ice.

Back in my day, it was uphill both ways, and the ice was twice as slippery and half as warm.

I love reading me some History, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to write it.

And while I love History I reckon it has a tendency to ossify and deaden the blood, guts and rages of the times. Regardless of how Pineal ones view of what Discordia is, this is a terrible thing to do it. Nevermind that I have never had much adoration or abhoration of the early Discordians, and therefore don't see why they would make good biography fodder.

Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 27, 2013, 06:51:45 pm
Solid footing is for those who lack the guts to run downhill on ice.

Back in my day, it was uphill both ways, and the ice was twice as slippery and half as warm.

I love reading me some History, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to write it.

And while I love History I reckon it has a tendency to ossify and deaden the blood, guts and rages of the times. Regardless of how Pineal ones view of what Discordia is, this is a terrible thing to do it. Nevermind that I have never had much adoration or abhoration of the early Discordians, and therefore don't see why they would make good biography fodder.

Because the people doing the writing get to show off that they've MET the old dudes.

Think Ben Mack.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Payne on November 27, 2013, 06:54:02 pm
Solid footing is for those who lack the guts to run downhill on ice.

Back in my day, it was uphill both ways, and the ice was twice as slippery and half as warm.

I love reading me some History, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to write it.

And while I love History I reckon it has a tendency to ossify and deaden the blood, guts and rages of the times. Regardless of how Pineal ones view of what Discordia is, this is a terrible thing to do it. Nevermind that I have never had much adoration or abhoration of the early Discordians, and therefore don't see why they would make good biography fodder.

Because the people doing the writing get to show off that they've MET the old dudes.

Think Ben Mack.

I prefer not to, or he'll be 'round my place defending himself.

What strikes me as odd is that people who have even a passing familiarity with this forum ought to know how we tend to treat those who want to be taken SeriouslyTM.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 27, 2013, 08:12:05 pm
Well ok, but the door is down there.

:points:

 :lmnuendo:

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pæs on November 27, 2013, 10:32:54 pm
(http://historiadiscordia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/pic-greg_hill_80s-231x300.jpg)

LOOK AT THIS STONED HOBBIT.

He doesn't want anyone standing on his shoulders. Hippies like this grinning little dude are coming up with complex and batshit mythologies all the damn time and nobody pays any attention to them.

Why was Discordia different? Did these brilliant sages observe a previously unobserved phenomenon and describe it in a way which had mass popular appeal?

No, these religion was launched from obscurity into minor underground fame because when a million doped up monkeys on typewriters launch batshittery into the etherwebs for long enough, chances are that eventually one of these crazy ideas will stick. We're standing on the shoulders of a Black Swan Event which favoured these hippies for reasons totally unrelated to the quality of their work or their personalities. Sheer dumb luck made a handful of other people care about their work and fifty years later there are another couple dozen who give any fucks.

Compared countless other unknown works of similar quality, this one's ability to endure a relatively short period of time is a freak accident.

AND THAT'S THE MOST DISCORDIAN THING ABOUT IT.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 11:33:38 pm
IMO

History is required by those who desire to place themselves on solid footing, presenting a secure image (more accurately a secure self-image) to the world at large. It is needed by those who wish to be taken seriously. Some within The United States have at times been guilty of this. Discordians wishing to be taken seriously for it's own sake strikes me as odd.

A more interesting project, for me, would be a discordian reading of history. Whether one goes for the Cramulan Approach (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,12756.0.html) is of course entirely optional.

That's an interesting point.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 11:35:03 pm
Solid footing is for those who lack the guts to run downhill on ice.

Back in my day, it was uphill both ways, and the ice was twice as slippery and half as warm.

I love reading me some History, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to write it.

And while I love History I reckon it has a tendency to ossify and deaden the blood, guts and rages of the times. Regardless of how Pineal ones view of what Discordia is, this is a terrible thing to do it. Nevermind that I have never had much adoration or abhoration of the early Discordians, and therefore don't see why they would make good biography fodder.

Because the people doing the writing get to show off that they've MET the old dudes.

Think Ben Mack.

Ohhhhhhh

OK, I think I get it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 27, 2013, 11:36:15 pm
(http://historiadiscordia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/pic-greg_hill_80s-231x300.jpg)

LOOK AT THIS STONED HOBBIT.

He doesn't want anyone standing on his shoulders. Hippies like this grinning little dude are coming up with complex and batshit mythologies all the damn time and nobody pays any attention to them.

Why was Discordia different? Did these brilliant sages observe a previously unobserved phenomenon and describe it in a way which had mass popular appeal?

No, these religion was launched from obscurity into minor underground fame because when a million doped up monkeys on typewriters launch batshittery into the etherwebs for long enough, chances are that eventually one of these crazy ideas will stick. We're standing on the shoulders of a Black Swan Event which favoured these hippies for reasons totally unrelated to the quality of their work or their personalities. Sheer dumb luck made a handful of other people care about their work and fifty years later there are another couple dozen who give any fucks.

Compared countless other unknown works of similar quality, this one's ability to endure a relatively short period of time is a freak accident.

AND THAT'S THE MOST DISCORDIAN THING ABOUT IT.

 :lulz: Also, this.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bobby Campbell on December 20, 2013, 03:34:58 am
I read enough of this to know that I don't know anything about it!

Though I really liked the Cramulus interview, and have a soft spot for people who make stuff, hence:

(http://i.imgur.com/4c7uLgd.jpg)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 20, 2013, 03:41:57 am
Well, that was certainly lame as fuck.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 03:43:50 am
I read enough of this to know that I don't know anything about it!

Though I really liked the Cramulus interview, and have a soft spot for people who make stuff, hence:

(http://i.imgur.com/4c7uLgd.jpg)

Can you give a link to the final product?

I am actually interested how it turned out. Much in the same way that I would have been interested to see how Lords of Chaos turned out knowing that Varg Vikernes was being interviewed.

Spoiler: The book started off ok, but ended up being about Vikernes.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 03:45:19 am
Especially since Dingo sacrificed his standing here for journalistic integrity.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bobby Campbell on December 20, 2013, 03:51:11 am
Well, that was certainly lame as fuck.

Go fuck your mother!  :fnord:

Can you give a link to the final product?

I don't think he's finished yet.  I made the image in lieu of answering e-mail interview questions.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 03:55:31 am
Well, that was certainly lame as fuck.

Go fuck your mother!  :fnord:

Can you give a link to the final product?

I don't think he's finished yet.  I made the image in lieu of answering e-mail interview questions.

Considering that he has in fact sacrificed his standing here, you might want to wait posting about it until we can judge the final product. You're not going to drum up a lot of enthusiasm here by posting the cover since our main concern was over content. We're not terribly excited about this project anymore and a graphic isn't going to change that.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 20, 2013, 04:11:43 am
The puppy was probably Loveshade's idea.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bobby Campbell on December 20, 2013, 04:19:24 am
Just to clarify:  This isn't an official image. I made it for fun because on the surface the project seemed pretty cool and I felt it was a fair participatory replacement to a request for an interview from Placid Dingo. I come here to find a thread which reveals there is far more backstory to this than I could ever hope to figure out.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 04:23:34 am
Just to clarify:  This isn't an official image. I made it for fun because on the surface the project seemed pretty cool and I felt it was a fair participatory replacement to a request for an interview from Placid Dingo. I come here to find a thread which reveals there is far more backstory to this than I could ever hope to figure out.

Oh, so you decided to make artwork for the artist on your own?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 04:25:23 am
The puppy was probably Loveshade's idea.

There's no indication that Loveshade is guilty of bestiality. Let us rightfully criticize him for what he is shown to endorse.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bobby Campbell on December 20, 2013, 04:31:11 am
Oh, so you decided to make artwork for the artist on your own?

That is correct. It's a thing I do sometimes.

(http://i.imgur.com/Mc7IoQU.jpg)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 04:32:01 am
Just to clarify:  This isn't an official image. I made it for fun because on the surface the project seemed pretty cool and I felt it was a fair participatory replacement to a request for an interview from Placid Dingo. I come here to find a thread which reveals there is far more backstory to this than I could ever hope to figure out.

Oh, so you decided to make artwork for the artist on your own?

Let's put it this way. You are a fan of a band. You know that the band is working on an album. The band is not done with their album. Are you going to create an image and pass it off as their album cover?

As a musician, I would dislike that, intensely.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 04:32:56 am
Oh, so you decided to make artwork for the artist on your own?

That is correct. It's a thing I do sometimes.

(http://i.imgur.com/Mc7IoQU.jpg)

That's a thing you should stop doing immediately.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on December 20, 2013, 04:43:22 am
what? why?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bobby Campbell on December 20, 2013, 04:46:25 am
That's a thing you should stop doing immediately.

No, what I mean is that I donate art to other artists for free. I send it to them, they seem to like it, thank me very much, and then go on to use it for whatever they wish.  In this case there was a brief misunderstanding, which was quickly resolved.  I'm not trying to pass anything off as anything else.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:05:31 am
That's a thing you should stop doing immediately.

No, what I mean is that I donate art to other artists for free. I send it to them, they seem to like it, thank me very much, and then go on to use it for whatever they wish.  In this case there was a brief misunderstanding, which was quickly resolved.  I'm not trying to pass anything off as anything else.

Did you get Dingo's authorization for this?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:06:07 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bobby Campbell on December 20, 2013, 05:11:25 am
As a musician, I would dislike that, intensely.

Fair enough! But you do look pretty fucking metal!


UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART!
(http://i.imgur.com/7plNP86.jpg)
UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on December 20, 2013, 05:12:44 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:13:54 am
As a musician, I would dislike that, intensely.

Fair enough! But you do look pretty fucking metal!


UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART!
(http://i.imgur.com/7plNP86.jpg)
UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART! • UNOFFICIAL FAN ART!

That is indeed Metal, and I am a Metalhead, but I was not playing anything close to Metal in that picture. You are in fact, misrepresenting me with your fan art.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:18:48 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:25:57 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

I redirect you to the album analogy.

I'm about to release an album. Someone posts a pic that looks like an album cover. I'm not around to say, "this is in fact, not the album cover."
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on December 20, 2013, 05:29:34 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

Oh.  But fan art is okay as long as it doesn't look like an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement? You know, I know nothing about legal stuff like this so I'm not really qualified to argue this.  Off the cuff, I don't think it matters a whole hell of a lot.

(And, as a side note, you should totally check out nightvale radio podcast.)
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on December 20, 2013, 05:32:18 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

I redirect you to the album analogy.

I'm about to release an album. Someone posts a pic that looks like an album cover. I'm not around to say, "this is in fact, not the album cover."

So your beef isn't about fan art itself, but the fact that it looks like an specific medium?  I think I follow now..

See, I guess I'm just familiar with Bobby's style so this didn't even occur to me.  Now i KNOW i'm the wrong person to argue this.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:40:52 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

I redirect you to the album analogy.

I'm about to release an album. Someone posts a pic that looks like an album cover. I'm not around to say, "this is in fact, not the album cover."

So your beef isn't about fan art itself, but the fact that it looks like an specific medium?  I think I follow now..

See, I guess I'm just familiar with Bobby's style so this didn't even occur to me.  Now i KNOW i'm the wrong person to argue this.

Yes.

If it is clear that it is fan art, then, mazel tov.

If it is not clear, then take a moment.

It was not clear that this was fan art. My assumption, by the way that it was presented, was that this was in fact the cover, and what Dingo chose. It's not, and there should have been some sort of statement to that effect.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bobby Campbell on December 20, 2013, 05:43:20 am

Yes.

If it is clear that it is fan art, then, mazel tov.

If it is not clear, then take a moment.

It was not clear that this was fan art. My assumption, by the way that it was presented, was that this was in fact the cover, and what Dingo chose. It's not, and there should have been some sort of statement to that effect.

That seems fair enough. I therefore apologize for my indiscretion.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:45:19 am

Yes.

If it is clear that it is fan art, then, mazel tov.

If it is not clear, then take a moment.

It was not clear that this was fan art. My assumption, by the way that it was presented, was that this was in fact the cover, and what Dingo chose. It's not, and there should have been some sort of statement to that effect.

That seems fair enough. I therefore apologize for my indiscretion.

Accepted.

Continue to make me look like a metal god. You're good at it.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Bu🤠ns on December 20, 2013, 05:49:32 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

I redirect you to the album analogy.

I'm about to release an album. Someone posts a pic that looks like an album cover. I'm not around to say, "this is in fact, not the album cover."

So your beef isn't about fan art itself, but the fact that it looks like an specific medium?  I think I follow now..

See, I guess I'm just familiar with Bobby's style so this didn't even occur to me.  Now i KNOW i'm the wrong person to argue this.

Yes.

If it is clear that it is fan art, then, mazel tov.

If it is not clear, then take a moment.

It was not clear that this was fan art. My assumption, by the way that it was presented, was that this was in fact the cover, and what Dingo chose. It's not, and there should have been some sort of statement to that effect.

I feel like I'm in law school.  But then that's kinda been the nature of this thread...  Oh well I suppose I back on out then ... Here's Yoda yodeling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT5NvxVP2Q) 

And Bobby, fwiw, I dug the space dog <3
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 05:52:42 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

I redirect you to the album analogy.

I'm about to release an album. Someone posts a pic that looks like an album cover. I'm not around to say, "this is in fact, not the album cover."

So your beef isn't about fan art itself, but the fact that it looks like an specific medium?  I think I follow now..

See, I guess I'm just familiar with Bobby's style so this didn't even occur to me.  Now i KNOW i'm the wrong person to argue this.

Yes.

If it is clear that it is fan art, then, mazel tov.

If it is not clear, then take a moment.

It was not clear that this was fan art. My assumption, by the way that it was presented, was that this was in fact the cover, and what Dingo chose. It's not, and there should have been some sort of statement to that effect.

I feel like I'm in law school.  But then that's kinda been the nature of this thread...  Oh well I suppose I back on out then ... Here's Yoda yodeling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT5NvxVP2Q) 

And Bobby, fwiw, I dug the space dog <3

I'm speaking from a creator's point of view. While the fan art may be flattering, it also might not be. And it is YOUR creation. Not anyone else's. Creations in support of your creation must be specified as such.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 20, 2013, 06:29:00 am
The puppy was probably Loveshade's idea.

There's no indication that Loveshade is guilty of bestiality. Let us rightfully criticize him for what he is shown to endorse.

"Hey, kid, I lost my puppy. CAN YOU HELP ME LOOK FOR HIM?"
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 06:31:26 am
The puppy was probably Loveshade's idea.

There's no indication that Loveshade is guilty of bestiality. Let us rightfully criticize him for what he is shown to endorse.

"Hey, kid, I lost my puppy. CAN YOU HELP ME LOOK FOR HIM?"

Well, is he looking to lure in the kid, or the puppy?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 20, 2013, 06:33:25 am
The puppy was probably Loveshade's idea.

There's no indication that Loveshade is guilty of bestiality. Let us rightfully criticize him for what he is shown to endorse.

"Hey, kid, I lost my puppy. CAN YOU HELP ME LOOK FOR HIM?"

Well, is he looking to lure in the kid, or the puppy?

You have to ask, regarding Loveshade?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 06:34:38 am
The puppy was probably Loveshade's idea.

There's no indication that Loveshade is guilty of bestiality. Let us rightfully criticize him for what he is shown to endorse.

"Hey, kid, I lost my puppy. CAN YOU HELP ME LOOK FOR HIM?"

Well, is he looking to lure in the kid, or the puppy?

You have to ask, regarding Loveshade?

Sorry, I had to.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 06:36:24 am
The puppy was probably Loveshade's idea.

There's no indication that Loveshade is guilty of bestiality. Let us rightfully criticize him for what he is shown to endorse.

"Hey, kid, I lost my puppy. CAN YOU HELP ME LOOK FOR HIM?"

Well, is he looking to lure in the kid, or the puppy?

You have to ask, regarding Loveshade?

Sorry, I had to.  :lulz:

OH GOD THEY'RE BOTH CHILDREN. :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2013, 07:11:27 am
Just to clarify:  This isn't an official image. I made it for fun because on the surface the project seemed pretty cool and I felt it was a fair participatory replacement to a request for an interview from Placid Dingo. I come here to find a thread which reveals there is far more backstory to this than I could ever hope to figure out.

It seemed like a cool project to me, at first, too.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2013, 07:14:08 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

I respect Bobby's art a fuckton of a lot more than I respect Dingo's "journalism".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 20, 2013, 07:36:23 am
what? why?

Are you speaking to me or Bobby?

You. I'm genuinely not sure what the issue is.  I mean my son made a picture of a scene from nightvale radio and didn't ask permission to do so. Although I doubt they would care. So if the quality of the work is the difference between the two, I'm guessing your objection it's a compliment to the quality of Bobby's work.  Aside from that I just fail to see the problem.

Bobby's graphic seemed like it was the cover for the book.

In fact, it is not. Bobby is seemingly making an unsolicited and unauthorized advertisement. It's not about the quality. It's about the representation. I don't know what nightvale radio is, but since it is well known what Chasing Eris is here, any post that seems to represent it will have an air of representing it. Especially if it looks like a book cover.

I respect Bobby's art a fuckton of a lot more than I respect Dingo's "journalism".

Entirely fair. The man is good at what he does.

However since Dingo's project is entirely Dingo's project, as he has been more than willing to imply, it would behoove Bobby to state explicitly that anything he does without Dingo's express approval to represent his project is merely fan art or derivative work. It cover's Bobby's ass and allows Dingo creative control over his work.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Pæs on December 20, 2013, 09:02:54 am
Fuck Dingo's creative control. I'm going to give out pictures of dongs to people with CHASING ERIS written on them just in case his work ever makes it here.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on December 20, 2013, 10:23:31 am
I read enough of this to know that I don't know anything about it!

Though I really liked the Cramulus interview, and have a soft spot for people who make stuff, hence:

(http://i.imgur.com/4c7uLgd.jpg)

Awesome!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on December 20, 2013, 10:28:16 am
Just to clarify:  This isn't an official image. I made it for fun because on the surface the project seemed pretty cool and I felt it was a fair participatory replacement to a request for an interview from Placid Dingo. I come here to find a thread which reveals there is far more backstory to this than I could ever hope to figure out.

Yeah, it wouldn't be a Discordian project without a load of broken hearts.

I just wanted to read the end product, from what I've seen It's Smashing :)!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2013, 04:31:41 pm
Especially since Dingo sacrificed his standing here for journalistic integrity.

Not true.  It wasn't journalistic integrity, it was "control".
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 20, 2013, 09:07:14 pm
Especially since Dingo sacrificed his standing here for journalistic integrity.

Not true.  It wasn't journalistic integrity, it was "control".

Which he thought everybody was trying to wrest from him by refusing to participate because Loveshade was involved.



Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 21, 2013, 05:35:34 am
Especially since Dingo sacrificed his standing here for journalistic integrity.

Not true.  It wasn't journalistic integrity, it was "control".

Which he thought everybody was trying to wrest from him by refusing to participate because Loveshade was involved.

It is ultimately his project, and he can maintain whatever control he wants over it.

That control comes at a cost though. Not the least which of being that Roger is probably one of the most notable contemporary Discordian thinkers, and Loveshade being an anomaly.

I mean, yeah, if he wants to show the very obscure dark side of Discordia and call it journalistic integrity, then, ok.

But he is automatically cutting himself off from relevancy in the process.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2013, 05:47:50 am
Especially since Dingo sacrificed his standing here for journalistic integrity.

Not true.  It wasn't journalistic integrity, it was "control".

Which he thought everybody was trying to wrest from him by refusing to participate because Loveshade was involved.

It is ultimately his project, and he can maintain whatever control he wants over it.

That control comes at a cost though. Not the least which of being that Roger is probably one of the most notable contemporary Discordian thinkers, and Loveshade being an anomaly.

I mean, yeah, if he wants to show the very obscure dark side of Discordia and call it journalistic integrity, then, ok.

But he is automatically cutting himself off from relevancy in the process.

Balls.  Roger is one asshat among many asshats.  Thing is, he cut off 80% of the asshats, to please a pedo cult leader.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 21, 2013, 07:17:14 am
Especially since Dingo sacrificed his standing here for journalistic integrity.

Not true.  It wasn't journalistic integrity, it was "control".

Which he thought everybody was trying to wrest from him by refusing to participate because Loveshade was involved.

It is ultimately his project, and he can maintain whatever control he wants over it.

That control comes at a cost though. Not the least which of being that Roger is probably one of the most notable contemporary Discordian thinkers, and Loveshade being an anomaly.

I mean, yeah, if he wants to show the very obscure dark side of Discordia and call it journalistic integrity, then, ok.

But he is automatically cutting himself off from relevancy in the process.

Balls.  Roger is one asshat among many asshats.  Thing is, he cut off 80% of the asshats, to please a pedo cult leader.

How does this affect my shares in RogerCorp?
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Payne on December 26, 2013, 12:21:51 pm
Especially since Dingo sacrificed his standing here for journalistic integrity.

Not true.  It wasn't journalistic integrity, it was "control".

Which he thought everybody was trying to wrest from him by refusing to participate because Loveshade was involved.

It is ultimately his project, and he can maintain whatever control he wants over it.

That control comes at a cost though. Not the least which of being that Roger is probably one of the most notable contemporary Discordian thinkers, and Loveshade being an anomaly.

I mean, yeah, if he wants to show the very obscure dark side of Discordia and call it journalistic integrity, then, ok.

But he is automatically cutting himself off from relevancy in the process.

Balls.  Roger is one asshat among many asshats.  Thing is, he cut off 80% of the asshats, to please a pedo cult leader.

How does this affect my shares in RogerCorp?

Supply of RogerTM has never been so low, whilst we are in the midst of unprecedented demand. The basic economics are there for a canny individual to make an absolute killing on the trading floor. But let's talk about why investment in RogerCorp is a good long-term play.

RogerTM is an aspirational product that promises to fundamentally change the way the American public looks at their daily entertainment, nutritional, educational and back hair related needs. It satisfies a niche in the market not covered by tinned foodstuffs, over the counter medication and over 90% of magazine publications. RogerTM's patented technology is highly unlikely to be developed by our competitors for at least 15 years, by which time we will have established an unshakable foothold and fundamentally shifted the paradigm of the great American publics perception of life, death and even money.

It's so necessary for our glorious future that investing in RogerCorp should be legally required at this point.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Junkenstein on January 03, 2014, 12:45:21 pm
It seems worth noting that shares of Rogercorp reaching this all time high was the result of your typical "Pump and Dump" scam.

Rogercorp executives were last seen selling all shares and boarding an aircraft for an unknown destination. The reasons for the trip were unclear but they seemed to be carrying large sacks with dollar signs. The significance of this has yet to be determined.

Gladys, 104, invested her entire wealth into Rogercorp and now has to go back to work in the mines.

Brokers are advising everyone to invest in Nigelcorp ASAP to mitigate losses.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 17, 2014, 12:50:30 pm
I just got caught up here. Jesus christ.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2014, 02:27:25 pm
It seems worth noting that shares of Rogercorp reaching this all time high was the result of your typical "Pump and Dump" scam.

Rogercorp executives were last seen selling all shares and boarding an aircraft for an unknown destination. The reasons for the trip were unclear but they seemed to be carrying large sacks with dollar signs. The significance of this has yet to be determined.

Gladys, 104, invested her entire wealth into Rogercorp and now has to go back to work in the mines.

Brokers are advising everyone to invest in Nigelcorp ASAP to mitigate losses.

 :lulz: at both your and Payne's post.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 17, 2014, 05:32:22 pm
It seems worth noting that shares of Rogercorp reaching this all time high was the result of your typical "Pump and Dump" scam.

Rogercorp executives were last seen selling all shares and boarding an aircraft for an unknown destination. The reasons for the trip were unclear but they seemed to be carrying large sacks with dollar signs. The significance of this has yet to be determined.

Gladys, 104, invested her entire wealth into Rogercorp and now has to go back to work in the mines.

Brokers are advising everyone to invest in Nigelcorp ASAP to mitigate losses.

 :lulz: at both your and Payne's post.

Seconded!
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 17, 2014, 05:39:09 pm
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 29, 2020, 06:37:08 pm
Bump for ancient hilarity.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Placid Dingo on January 02, 2021, 01:10:06 am
https://millennialmoney.com/live-rent-free/
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 02, 2021, 02:36:27 am
https://millennialmoney.com/live-rent-free/

And then placid dingo was an adbot.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Faust on January 02, 2021, 09:58:18 am
That was actually quite funny though
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Cramulus on January 02, 2021, 01:48:05 pm
Chasing Eris is a really good read.
Title: Re: Chasing Eris
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 02, 2021, 03:50:49 pm
That was actually quite funny though

Unfortunately, I didn't click.   :sad:

And if he thinks "tripping across a thread" means "he has free rent in my head" then he's even sadder than I thought.