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Title: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 24, 2012, 07:55:55 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18953034

It turns out that now after progresses in cloning sheep and altering cells, they have actually made a significant organism that can simulate movement, will this lead to new breakthroughs in technology and bio-engineering?

I roughly approximate at the current rate of technology being developed that in the next 20 or even 30 years we will have fully bio-engineered aquatic creatures raised from petri-dishes and simple land creatures co-developed with bio-engineered organs.


(I apologize if this has already been posted somewhere else, i am relatively new to the site, so apologies in advance.)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2012, 08:05:49 pm
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/researcher_translation.png)

{{Title text: A technology that is '20 years away' will be 20 years away indefinitely.}}
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 24, 2012, 08:09:04 pm
Im not a scientist working on it or anything, my estimations are innacurate and based on no factual detail at all.

What do you guys think about it?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 24, 2012, 08:10:45 pm
I think that in 20-30 years, our technology will consist of "fire" and "sharp rocks".

But seriously, the best way to make organisms is to breed them, not cook them up in a lab.  Sheep make better sheep than a cloning facility, for example.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 24, 2012, 08:22:05 pm
I think that in 20-30 years, our technology will consist of "fire" and "sharp rocks".

But seriously, the best way to make organisms is to breed them, not cook them up in a lab.  Sheep make better sheep than a cloning facility, for example.

This. The more you tamper, the weaker it gets, I think. Even selective breeding fucks things up some. Buffalo can handle blizzards, cows die.

Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 24, 2012, 08:28:40 pm
I think that in 20-30 years, our technology will consist of "fire" and "sharp rocks".

But seriously, the best way to make organisms is to breed them, not cook them up in a lab.  Sheep make better sheep than a cloning facility, for example.

This. The more you tamper, the weaker it gets, I think. Even selective breeding fucks things up some. Buffalo can handle blizzards, cows die.

That's because cows selectively bred are bred to be better producers, if they really wanted to create a cow which could withstand a blizzard they could but they don't

You can make them stronger with proper management but human interest to get more produce and productive gain even at the expense of making them weaker.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 24, 2012, 08:59:36 pm
I think that in 20-30 years, our technology will consist of "fire" and "sharp rocks".

But seriously, the best way to make organisms is to breed them, not cook them up in a lab.  Sheep make better sheep than a cloning facility, for example.

This. The more you tamper, the weaker it gets, I think. Even selective breeding fucks things up some. Buffalo can handle blizzards, cows die.

That's because cows selectively bred are bred to be better producers, if they really wanted to create a cow which could withstand a blizzard they could but they don't

You can make them stronger with proper management but human interest to get more produce and productive gain even at the expense of making them weaker.

That's part of it, but another part is that a lot of natural selection gets thrown out the window when you have valuable animals.

I knew some people who had a pet coyote once. That skinny little fucker could pull harder on a leash than a dog probably twice his size.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 24, 2012, 09:08:02 pm
I think that in 20-30 years, our technology will consist of "fire" and "sharp rocks".

But seriously, the best way to make organisms is to breed them, not cook them up in a lab.  Sheep make better sheep than a cloning facility, for example.

This. The more you tamper, the weaker it gets, I think. Even selective breeding fucks things up some. Buffalo can handle blizzards, cows die.

That's because cows selectively bred are bred to be better producers, if they really wanted to create a cow which could withstand a blizzard they could but they don't

You can make them stronger with proper management but human interest to get more produce and productive gain even at the expense of making them weaker.

That's part of it, but another part is that a lot of natural selection gets thrown out the window when you have valuable animals.

I knew some people who had a pet coyote once. That skinny little fucker could pull harder on a leash than a dog probably twice his size.

Mankind always strives to completely disarrange the whole food chain and natural order to comply with his wishes.

Be it introducing/eradicating predators and domesticating once noble creatures to servitude/food to create a self contained ecosystem which applies and benfits best to man's wishes and essentially make him feel special and superior by putting him on top.

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 24, 2012, 09:11:43 pm

Mankind always strives to completely disarrange the whole food chain and natural order to comply with his wishes.

Duh.  "Tool users".

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 24, 2012, 09:25:14 pm

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.

Imagine a elephant with the stature of a chimpanzee or ape, increase the population of this particular elephant species and brain capacity and eventually they would become a major threat if left un-noticed, by picking up where we left off at modern day forming thier own identity they may even overtake humans and make the same claims on how great they are.

Disadvantaged only by thier low adaptability they would overpower the human race with thier intellect, senses and brute strength.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 25, 2012, 02:53:54 am

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.

Imagine a elephant with the stature of a chimpanzee or ape, increase the population of this particular elephant species and brain capacity and eventually they would become a major threat if left un-noticed, by picking up where we left off at modern day forming thier own identity they may even overtake humans and make the same claims on how great they are.

Disadvantaged only by thier low adaptability they would overpower the human race with thier intellect, senses and brute strength.

Only when the technology to make them got cheap and everybody wanted their own REAL LIVE GANESH FOR $39.95 CALL NOW.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Dark Monk on July 25, 2012, 03:45:38 am
He keeps typing "thier" and it destroys this post for me. I have to leave now.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 05:36:15 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18953034

It turns out that now after progresses in cloning sheep and altering cells, they have actually made a significant organism that can simulate movement, will this lead to new breakthroughs in technology and bio-engineering?

I roughly approximate at the current rate of technology being developed that in the next 20 or even 30 years we will have fully bio-engineered aquatic creatures raised from petri-dishes and simple land creatures co-developed with bio-engineered organs.


(I apologize if this has already been posted somewhere else, i am relatively new to the site, so apologies in advance.)

Will they be delicious?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 05:39:36 am

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.

Imagine a elephant with the stature of a chimpanzee or ape, increase the population of this particular elephant species and brain capacity and eventually they would become a major threat if left un-noticed, by picking up where we left off at modern day forming thier own identity they may even overtake humans and make the same claims on how great they are.

Disadvantaged only by thier low adaptability they would overpower the human race with thier intellect, senses and brute strength.

Unlike other animals, our adaptive trait is technology. When our environment changes, rather than our bodies evolving to adapt (for the most part), it's our technology that does. Nonetheless, our use of technology is an innate part of us as a species.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 09:51:47 am

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.

Imagine a elephant with the stature of a chimpanzee or ape, increase the population of this particular elephant species and brain capacity and eventually they would become a major threat if left un-noticed, by picking up where we left off at modern day forming thier own identity they may even overtake humans and make the same claims on how great they are.

Disadvantaged only by thier low adaptability they would overpower the human race with thier intellect, senses and brute strength.

Unlike other animals, our adaptive trait is technology. When our environment changes, rather than our bodies evolving to adapt (for the most part), it's our technology that does. Nonetheless, our use of technology is an innate part of us as a species.

Without technology we would still be dirty apes and likely extinct.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 02:03:02 pm
"Technology" includes clothing, knots, and tools that increase the velocity and range of weapons (slings, et al).

Which still puts us on top of the food chain, as a species.  To posit the entire human race as naked with no tool-making abilities is to posit a complete fantasy. 
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 02:11:20 pm
"Technology" includes clothing, knots, and tools that increase the velocity and range of weapons (slings, et al).

Which still puts us on top of the food chain, as a species.  To posit the entire human race as naked with no tool-making abilities is to posit a complete fantasy.

If we didn't have any technology at all, and we were as thick as shit we would be the food chains' bitch.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 02:15:15 pm
But we do, and we're not.  The position you are taking is meaningless.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 02:15:38 pm

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.

One does.  We travel in mobs.

Chimpanzees live in our zoos.

Game over.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 02:16:32 pm
"Technology" includes clothing, knots, and tools that increase the velocity and range of weapons (slings, et al).

Which still puts us on top of the food chain, as a species.  To posit the entire human race as naked with no tool-making abilities is to posit a complete fantasy.

If we didn't have any technology at all, and we were as thick as shit we would be the food chains' bitch.

Yeah, except that we survived long enough to gain technology, and killed every predator that tried to put us on the menu.

Remember the sabertooth cat?

Neither do I.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 02:20:46 pm
IF EVERYTHING WAS DIFFERENT, THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 02:23:37 pm
IF EVERYTHING WAS DIFFERENT, THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

IF PIGS COULD FLY, WE'D ALL CARRY UMBRELLAS.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 02:43:54 pm
IF ROGER COULD FLY, WE'D ALL LIVE IN BOMB SHELTERS.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 02:45:00 pm
IF ROGER COULD FLY, WE'D ALL LIVE IN BOMB SHELTERS WEAR HAZMAT SUITS AND UMBRELLAS.

Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 02:45:32 pm
Correction noted.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 02:47:06 pm
"Technology" includes clothing, knots, and tools that increase the velocity and range of weapons (slings, et al).

Which still puts us on top of the food chain, as a species.  To posit the entire human race as naked with no tool-making abilities is to posit a complete fantasy.

If we didn't have any technology at all, and we were as thick as shit we would be the food chains' bitch.

Yeah, except that we survived long enough to gain technology, and killed every predator that tried to put us on the menu.

Remember the sabertooth cat?

Neither do I.

Our survival to gradually create technology is only a result of our learning and intellect, remove that and we would all be dead.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 02:48:11 pm
"Technology" includes clothing, knots, and tools that increase the velocity and range of weapons (slings, et al).

Which still puts us on top of the food chain, as a species.  To posit the entire human race as naked with no tool-making abilities is to posit a complete fantasy.

If we didn't have any technology at all, and we were as thick as shit we would be the food chains' bitch.

Yeah, except that we survived long enough to gain technology, and killed every predator that tried to put us on the menu.

Remember the sabertooth cat?

Neither do I.

Our survival to gradually create technology is only a result of our learning and intellect, remove that and we would all be dead.

AND IF I HAD NO LEGS, MY BALLS WOULD BUMP ON THE GROUND.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 02:56:25 pm
humans are glorified monkey's that in natures terms should not exist and are only good because they are smartarses.

There i said it.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 03:10:38 pm
"Technology" includes clothing, knots, and tools that increase the velocity and range of weapons (slings, et al).

Which still puts us on top of the food chain, as a species.  To posit the entire human race as naked with no tool-making abilities is to posit a complete fantasy.

If we didn't have any technology at all, and we were as thick as shit we would be the food chains' bitch.

Yeah, except that we survived long enough to gain technology, and killed every predator that tried to put us on the menu.

Remember the sabertooth cat?

Neither do I.

Our survival to gradually create technology is only a result of our learning and intellect, remove that and we would all be dead.

AND IF I HAD NO LEGS, MY BALLS WOULD BUMP ON THE GROUND.


IF I HAD NO LEGS, MY BALLS WOULD BUMP ON YOUR FACE.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 03:13:19 pm
"Technology" includes clothing, knots, and tools that increase the velocity and range of weapons (slings, et al).

Which still puts us on top of the food chain, as a species.  To posit the entire human race as naked with no tool-making abilities is to posit a complete fantasy.

If we didn't have any technology at all, and we were as thick as shit we would be the food chains' bitch.

Yeah, except that we survived long enough to gain technology, and killed every predator that tried to put us on the menu.

Remember the sabertooth cat?

Neither do I.

Our survival to gradually create technology is only a result of our learning and intellect, remove that and we would all be dead.

AND IF I HAD NO LEGS, MY BALLS WOULD BUMP ON THE GROUND.


IF I HAD NO LEGS, MY BALLS WOULD BUMP ON YOUR FACE.

If i had no legs id support my body weight with my arms.

Supporting with my balls would be painful.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:33:01 pm

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.

Imagine a elephant with the stature of a chimpanzee or ape, increase the population of this particular elephant species and brain capacity and eventually they would become a major threat if left un-noticed, by picking up where we left off at modern day forming thier own identity they may even overtake humans and make the same claims on how great they are.

Disadvantaged only by thier low adaptability they would overpower the human race with thier intellect, senses and brute strength.

Unlike other animals, our adaptive trait is technology. When our environment changes, rather than our bodies evolving to adapt (for the most part), it's our technology that does. Nonetheless, our use of technology is an innate part of us as a species.

Without technology we would still be dirty apes and likely extinct.

So your argument is, if we weren't human, we wouldn't be human?

 :lulz:

WAY TO THINK IT OUT, BRAINIAC!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:33:54 pm
IF EVERYTHING WAS DIFFERENT, THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:36:07 pm
humans are glorified monkey's that in natures terms should not exist and are only good because they are smartarses.

There i said it.

Yeah, and?

The fact that if you strip humans of our primary adaptive trait it would leave us defenseless is relevant to what, exactly?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:38:20 pm

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.

Imagine a elephant with the stature of a chimpanzee or ape, increase the population of this particular elephant species and brain capacity and eventually they would become a major threat if left un-noticed, by picking up where we left off at modern day forming thier own identity they may even overtake humans and make the same claims on how great they are.

Disadvantaged only by thier low adaptability they would overpower the human race with thier intellect, senses and brute strength.

Unlike other animals, our adaptive trait is technology. When our environment changes, rather than our bodies evolving to adapt (for the most part), it's our technology that does. Nonetheless, our use of technology is an innate part of us as a species.

Without technology we would still be dirty apes and likely extinct.

HAY TROLLBEAR, WHAT IF EAGLES DIDN'T HAVE BEAKS OR TALONS? WHAT THEN, STUPID EAGLES?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:39:16 pm
HEY TROLLBEAR, WHAT IF HORSES DIDN'T HAVE HOOVES? NOT SO FAST NOW, ARE YOU HORSE?!?!?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:39:43 pm
HAY TROLLBEAR, WHAT IF POLAR BEARS HAD NO FUR??

THEY WOULD FREEZE TO DEATH LOL!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 04:40:03 pm
HEY TROLLBEAR, WHAT IF HORSES DIDN'T HAVE HOOVES? NOT SO FAST NOW, ARE YOU HORSE?!?!?

WHAT IF I DIDN'T HAVE ASS HAIR?

THE WEEVILS WOULD GET ME!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:40:55 pm
HEY TROLLBEAR, WHAT IF PIGS DIDN'T HAVE TEETH? JUST TRY BEING FAT AND OMNIVOROUS WITHOUT TEETH! STARVE TO DEATH, PIGGIE, WITHOUT TEETH YOU'D BE EXTINCT!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 25, 2012, 04:42:14 pm
HEY TROLLBEAR, WHAT IF SQUIRRELS DIDN'T HAVE CLAWS? LITTLE FUCKERS COULDN'T GET AWAY UP TREES, COULD THEY? LOL EVOLUTION FAIL!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 04:43:28 pm
HEY TROLLBEAR, WHAT IF PIGS DIDN'T HAVE TEETH? JUST TRY BEING FAT AND OMNIVOROUS WITHOUT TEETH! STARVE TO DEATH, PIGGIE, WITHOUT TEETH YOU'D BE EXTINCT!

Also, humans only have the ONE thing.  Binocular vision, color vision, upright stance for throwing, and the ability to run long distances at slow speed mean nothing.  NOTHING!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 04:47:41 pm
YOU KNOW, THE HUMAN RACE WOULD DIE OUT PRETTY QUICKLY IF WE WERE ALL BORN WITHOUT LUNGS.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 04:53:04 pm
humans are glorified monkey's that in natures terms should not exist and are only good because they are smartarses.

There i said it.

Yeah, and?

The fact that if you strip humans of our primary adaptive trait it would leave us defenseless is relevant to what, exactly?

Badgers obviously
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 04:54:56 pm
humans are glorified monkey's that in natures terms should not exist and are only good because they are smartarses.

There i said it.

Yeah, and?

The fact that if you strip humans of our primary adaptive trait it would leave us defenseless is relevant to what, exactly?

Badgers obviously

AND WHAT IF BADGERS DIDN'T HAVE GILLS?  HUH?  WHAT THEN, SMART GUY?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 04:56:39 pm
Other adaptations- sweat glands and largely hairless bodies. Opposable thumbs. Speech. Instinctual willingness to eat practically anything. Efficient use of calorie intake. The only things that really make us weak is our sense of smell which was sacrificed for... And get this... Increased cranial capacity. Thats right. Our one major weakness is only there to make room for our major strength which allowed us to trick wolves into doing all the smelling for us.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 25, 2012, 04:58:34 pm
YOU KNOW, THE HUMAN RACE WOULD DIE OUT PRETTY QUICKLY IF WE WERE ALL BORN WITHOUT LUNGS GENETALIA.

WHAT THEN, O TROLLBEAR ONE? HUH? HUH?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 04:59:07 pm
Other adaptations- sweat glands and largely hairless bodies. Opposable thumbs. Speech. Instinctual willingness to eat practically anything. Efficient use of calorie intake. The only things that really make us weak is our sense of smell which was sacrificed for... And get this... Increased cranial capacity. Thats right. Our one major weakness is only there to make room for our major strength which allowed us to trick wolves into doing all the smelling for us.

Also, we taste bad.  No shit.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 05:04:02 pm
Yeah- i hear that when we dont taste bad we taste bland too. Were nonvegan tofu.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 05:06:48 pm
Yeah- i hear that when we dont taste bad we taste bland too. Were nonvegan tofu.

Sharks spit your leg out after biting it off.

The bitch of it is, they thought you were a seal.  Or Joey Vitone.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 05:12:25 pm
humans are glorified monkey's that in natures terms should not exist and are only good because they are smartarses.

There i said it.

Yeah, and?

The fact that if you strip humans of our primary adaptive trait it would leave us defenseless is relevant to what, exactly?

Badgers obviously

AND WHAT IF BADGERS DIDN'T HAVE GILLS?  HUH?  WHAT THEN, SMART GUY?

Cross bred badger sharks.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 05:12:36 pm
:lulz: i think i read somewhere that the only predator that doesnt mind us are lions and judging from assyrian wall carvings we didnt let them carry on with that for very long.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 05:15:55 pm
:lulz: i think i read somewhere that the only predator that doesnt mind us are lions and judging from assyrian wall carvings we didnt let them carry on with that for very long.

Lions would also be a candidate for a predator suitable for the glorified and primitive "weaponized ape"
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 05:17:22 pm
No. First theyre felines not apes. Secondly having hands requires adaptation to arboreal life. Hands are needed to make spears.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 05:22:11 pm
No. First theyre felines not apes. Secondly having hands requires adaptation to arboreal life. Hands are needed to make spears.

No, no, no i missed out candidate for predation of the ape.

Silly me, ill have to rectify that issue.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 05:26:09 pm
African tribes kill lions for fun. Potential predator doesnt mean actual one.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 05:29:54 pm
African tribes kill lions for fun. Potential predator doesnt mean actual one.

So far as I know, there are only 4 land animals that eat humans as "regular" prey.

And they are all predators where prey is scarce.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 05:30:23 pm
African tribes kill lions for fun. Potential predator doesnt mean actual one.

So far as I know, there are only 4 land animals that eat humans as "regular" prey.

And they are all predators where prey is scarce.

Humans are so plentyful.

Makes sense.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 25, 2012, 05:32:40 pm
THE DINGOS ATE MY BAYBEEEEEEE!!!!!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 05:34:03 pm
THE DINGOS ATE MY BAYBEEEEEEE!!!!!

Serves you right by offering a sacrifice to our superiors of a newborn child.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 05:39:16 pm
Ok tb- lets put it this way. We may have killed off thousands of species in the last 40000 years some of them significantly larger than us. But as you said we had a technological advantage. Well. What if there was a species that was about as intelligent as us stronger than us and had the same level of technology? Oh yeah there were those neanderthal guys too. Oops.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 05:41:02 pm
Ok tb- lets put it this way. We may have killed off thousands of species in the last 40000 years some of them significantly larger than us. But as you said we had a technological advantage. Well. What if there was a species that was about as intelligent as us stronger than us and had the same level of technology? Oh yeah there were those neanderthal guys too. Oops.

Neanderthals couldnt cope with enviromental changes and rapidly depleting recources.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 05:43:35 pm
And yet we survived...
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 05:45:53 pm
And yet we survived...

I can only blame our reproductive tendancies for our survival, we should all be dead yet we still live.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 05:47:24 pm
Reproductive tendencies? We have nine months gestation for one kid at a time and labor can kill a woman. Hardly an advantage.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 05:55:01 pm
Except for the Nigels.  They spawn like river salamanders.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 05:55:09 pm
Ok tb- lets put it this way. We may have killed off thousands of species in the last 40000 years some of them significantly larger than us. But as you said we had a technological advantage. Well. What if there was a species that was about as intelligent as us stronger than us and had the same level of technology? Oh yeah there were those neanderthal guys too. Oops.

Neanderthals couldnt cope with enviromental changes and rapidly depleting recources.

How very fucking odd, considering they'd previously made it through a gigantic fucking ice age.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 06:00:13 pm
Ok tb- lets put it this way. We may have killed off thousands of species in the last 40000 years some of them significantly larger than us. But as you said we had a technological advantage. Well. What if there was a species that was about as intelligent as us stronger than us and had the same level of technology? Oh yeah there were those neanderthal guys too. Oops.

Neanderthals couldnt cope with enviromental changes and rapidly depleting recources.

How very fucking odd, considering they'd previously made it through a gigantic fucking ice age.

Its more a factor of diseases, changing warmer climates and killing off thier ice-age dependant prey animals.

Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:01:54 pm
Ok tb- lets put it this way. We may have killed off thousands of species in the last 40000 years some of them significantly larger than us. But as you said we had a technological advantage. Well. What if there was a species that was about as intelligent as us stronger than us and had the same level of technology? Oh yeah there were those neanderthal guys too. Oops.

Neanderthals couldnt cope with enviromental changes and rapidly depleting recources.

How very fucking odd, considering they'd previously made it through a gigantic fucking ice age.

Its more a factor of diseases, changing warmer climates and killing off thier ice-age dependant prey animals.

Yeah?  So how did they survive for so fucking long after the ice age ended?

I'd think it would take less than 10,000 years or so.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 06:03:46 pm
Ok tb- lets put it this way. We may have killed off thousands of species in the last 40000 years some of them significantly larger than us. But as you said we had a technological advantage. Well. What if there was a species that was about as intelligent as us stronger than us and had the same level of technology? Oh yeah there were those neanderthal guys too. Oops.

Neanderthals couldnt cope with enviromental changes and rapidly depleting recources.

How very fucking odd, considering they'd previously made it through a gigantic fucking ice age.

Its more a factor of diseases, changing warmer climates and killing off their ice-age dependant prey animals.

Yeah?  So how did they survive for so fucking long after the ice age ended?

I'd think it would take less than 10,000 years or so.

everything has to come to a end sometime.

The last neanderthal died in a cave in Spain, its been proven with carbon dating.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:05:31 pm
Ok tb- lets put it this way. We may have killed off thousands of species in the last 40000 years some of them significantly larger than us. But as you said we had a technological advantage. Well. What if there was a species that was about as intelligent as us stronger than us and had the same level of technology? Oh yeah there were those neanderthal guys too. Oops.

Neanderthals couldnt cope with enviromental changes and rapidly depleting recources.

How very fucking odd, considering they'd previously made it through a gigantic fucking ice age.

Its more a factor of diseases, changing warmer climates and killing off their ice-age dependant prey animals.

Yeah?  So how did they survive for so fucking long after the ice age ended?

I'd think it would take less than 10,000 years or so.

everything has to come to a end sometime.

The last neanderthal died in a cave in Spain, its been proven with carbon dating.

The last one we've FOUND died in a cave in Spain.

But what does that have to do with climate change taking 10,000+ years after the climate change to kill off a species?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 06:07:09 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:10:03 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?

You have to remember that kids these days get their education from sound bites on the interbutts.

It gets kinda fragmented and nonsensical.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 25, 2012, 06:21:31 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?

You have to remember that kids these days get their education from sound bites on the interbutts.

It gets kinda fragmented and nonsensical.

Sound bites, and the school system.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:23:12 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?

You have to remember that kids these days get their education from sound bites on the interbutts.

It gets kinda fragmented and nonsensical.

Sound bites, and the school system.  :horrormirth:

School system's fine.  It's the fact that 90% of the parents won't hold up their end that cripples it.

Oh, and republican governors and legislators defunding them, too.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 25, 2012, 06:26:31 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?

You have to remember that kids these days get their education from sound bites on the interbutts.

It gets kinda fragmented and nonsensical.

Sound bites, and the school system.  :horrormirth:

School system's fine.  It's the fact that 90% of the parents won't hold up their end that cripples it.

Oh, and republican governors and legislators defunding them, too.

And banning history that "glorifies those people".

Of course there's always THE HISTORY CHANNEL.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:28:22 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?

You have to remember that kids these days get their education from sound bites on the interbutts.

It gets kinda fragmented and nonsensical.

Sound bites, and the school system.  :horrormirth:

School system's fine.  It's the fact that 90% of the parents won't hold up their end that cripples it.

Oh, and republican governors and legislators defunding them, too.

And banning history that "glorifies those people".

Of course there's always THE HISTORY CHANNEL.

TEH HISTORY OF UFOs!

:walken:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on July 25, 2012, 06:29:20 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?

You have to remember that kids these days get their education from sound bites on the interbutts.

It gets kinda fragmented and nonsensical.

Sound bites, and the school system.  :horrormirth:

School system's fine.  It's the fact that 90% of the parents won't hold up their end that cripples it.

Oh, and republican governors and legislators defunding them, too.

And banning history that "glorifies those people".

Of course there's always THE HISTORY CHANNEL.

TEH HISTORY OF UFOs!

:walken:

PO'BUCKERS FIXING UP OLD CARS!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:31:40 pm
Warmer climate equals less food availability? Makes sense to me.

Also what do caves in spain have to do with timing and reasons for extinction?

You have to remember that kids these days get their education from sound bites on the interbutts.

It gets kinda fragmented and nonsensical.

Sound bites, and the school system.  :horrormirth:

School system's fine.  It's the fact that 90% of the parents won't hold up their end that cripples it.

Oh, and republican governors and legislators defunding them, too.

And banning history that "glorifies those people".

Of course there's always THE HISTORY CHANNEL.

TEH HISTORY OF UFOs!

:walken:

PO'BUCKERS FIXING UP OLD CARS!

NOSTRADUMBASS!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 06:31:59 pm
GUNS!

http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot/


Ok, to be fair, that show is pretty cool.  It's like one of those cooking competition shows, but with awesome guns.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:32:48 pm
GUNS!

http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot/


Ok, to be fair, that show is pretty cool.  It's like one of those cooking competition shows, but with awesome guns.

Like Iron Chef with Uzis?

That would kinda rock.  I'd like to see ECH do a cooking show with firearms.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 06:37:51 pm
Sadly, no food prep is actually involved.

They take 16 marksmen (markspeople?), show them a weapon (from hand-cranked Gattling guns to 21st century speed pistols to slingshots to cannons), and then they see who's the best shot in various scenarios, targets, on foot or in vehicle, inverted, you name it.  The one who's the worst shot is out.  Eventually, they go to a head-to-head competition that uses most of the weapons from previous challenges.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:43:27 pm
Sadly, no food prep is actually involved.

They take 16 marksmen (markspeople?), show them a weapon (from hand-cranked Gattling guns to 21st century speed pistols to slingshots to cannons), and then they see who's the best shot in various scenarios, targets, on foot or in vehicle, inverted, you name it.  The one who's the worst shot is out.  Eventually, they go to a head-to-head competition that uses most of the weapons from previous challenges.

Head-to-head?  Like they actually shoot at each other? 

I think I just found Jesus.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 06:44:48 pm
I'd like to see cooking shows done in former historical ways, where you can cook your meat by placing it on a saddle and riding nonstop until it is tender, Hun-style.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 06:45:26 pm
Sorry to keep playing the straight man, but no... they don't shoot at each other.

Would make for a much better show, though.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 06:45:59 pm
Sorry to keep playing the straight man, but no... they don't shoot at each other.

 :cry:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 06:48:06 pm
Sorry to keep playing the straight man, but no... they don't shoot at each other.

Would make for a much better show, though.

Is such a shame that the infamously and diabolical health and safety inspectors win over the cries of the public.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 08:42:39 pm
Sorry to disrupt the thread drift (which is infinitely more interesting, guns are awesome), but I really am curious what his what-if scenario has to do with anything.  I mean, what's the point of saying "Humans aren't so great, because what if we didn't have that thing that made us great?"
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 08:44:11 pm
Pseudo-intellectual jackassery, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 08:48:33 pm
Probably, but I want him to defend why he thinks it's important at all.  It's just mind bendingly dumb and pointless to me, and I wish to know his thoughts.

I mean, it's the sort of thing people talk about when they're high on Roger's inflamed ballsack. (I miss the word filter.  Does anyone remember the ECH one?  I forgot it. :( )
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 08:50:06 pm
Sorry to disrupt the thread drift (which is infinitely more interesting, guns are awesome), but I really am curious what his what-if scenario has to do with anything.  I mean, what's the point of saying "Humans aren't so great, because what if we didn't have that thing that made us great?"

Well if we weren't here, something else would take our place.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 08:51:46 pm
Sorry to disrupt the thread drift (which is infinitely more interesting, guns are awesome), but I really am curious what his what-if scenario has to do with anything.  I mean, what's the point of saying "Humans aren't so great, because what if we didn't have that thing that made us great?"

Well if we weren't here, something else would take our place.

And?  You posited that humans aren't great, special, or particularly dangerous.  Defend your claim.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 08:55:30 pm
Sorry to disrupt the thread drift (which is infinitely more interesting, guns are awesome), but I really am curious what his what-if scenario has to do with anything.  I mean, what's the point of saying "Humans aren't so great, because what if we didn't have that thing that made us great?"

Well if we weren't here, something else would take our place.

And?  You posited that humans aren't great, special, or particularly dangerous.  Defend your claim.

Give chimpanzee's increased intelligence and guns.

With that done they are automatically the superior animal despite the fact that biologically in pure nature's terms weaker.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 08:59:10 pm
Sorry to disrupt the thread drift (which is infinitely more interesting, guns are awesome), but I really am curious what his what-if scenario has to do with anything.  I mean, what's the point of saying "Humans aren't so great, because what if we didn't have that thing that made us great?"

Well if we weren't here, something else would take our place.

And?  You posited that humans aren't great, special, or particularly dangerous.  Defend your claim.

Give chimpanzee's increased intelligence and guns.

With that done they are automatically the superior animal despite the fact that biologically in pure nature's terms weaker.

But, in point of fact, they don't have superior intelligence.  Humans do.  Don't talk to me about what ifs and suppositions when your assertion isn't an if-then, tell me why chimpanzees are so much better than humans as reality is right now.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:05:08 pm
I think the problem is we cant actually know if something would take our place. We have several unique mutations in a winning combination. We won the lottery. I suspect part of the reason we havent gotten any stray alien signals is because we are the superior species in this part of the *galaxy.* theres no guarantee if the neanderthals survived they would even have advanced past stone axes.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 09:05:36 pm
Sorry to disrupt the thread drift (which is infinitely more interesting, guns are awesome), but I really am curious what his what-if scenario has to do with anything.  I mean, what's the point of saying "Humans aren't so great, because what if we didn't have that thing that made us great?"

Well if we weren't here, something else would take our place.

And?  You posited that humans aren't great, special, or particularly dangerous.  Defend your claim.

Give chimpanzee's increased intelligence and guns.

With that done they are automatically the superior animal despite the fact that biologically in pure nature's terms weaker.

But, in point of fact, they don't have superior intelligence.  Humans do.  Don't talk to me about what ifs and suppositions when your assertion isn't an if-then, tell me why chimpanzees are so much better than humans as reality is right now.

They are not, but if you did give the chimpanzee's superior intelligence they would be more superior to humans
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:06:52 pm
I mean if we went extinct right now whales would be the most advanced and they cant light a fire or manipulate objects.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 09:07:52 pm
I think the problem is we cant actually know if something would take our place. We have several unique mutations in a winning combination. We won the lottery. I suspect part of the reason we havent gotten any stray alien signals is because we are the superior species in this part of the *galaxy.* theres no guarantee if the neanderthals survived they would even have advanced past stone axes.

Infact it may be a statement in saying that because humans are weak, we needed to advance and survive.

Neanderthals wouldn't probably get further than stone age technology because they are already perfectly adapted to live in their environment and handle everything in their way.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:08:25 pm
If you gave chimps superior intelligence they still wouldnt have fine motor skills like we have. And then theres that energy efficiency thing again.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 09:10:23 pm
Sorry to disrupt the thread drift (which is infinitely more interesting, guns are awesome), but I really am curious what his what-if scenario has to do with anything.  I mean, what's the point of saying "Humans aren't so great, because what if we didn't have that thing that made us great?"

Well if we weren't here, something else would take our place.

And?  You posited that humans aren't great, special, or particularly dangerous.  Defend your claim.

Give chimpanzee's increased intelligence and guns.

With that done they are automatically the superior animal despite the fact that biologically in pure nature's terms weaker.

But, in point of fact, they don't have superior intelligence.  Humans do.  Don't talk to me about what ifs and suppositions when your assertion isn't an if-then, tell me why chimpanzees are so much better than humans as reality is right now.

They are not, but if you did give the chimpanzee's superior intelligence they would be more superior to humans

Then why are humans not so special in general, reality being as it is right now?  How are our numerous adaptations, which have been mentioned in this thread, not such a big deal?  Is this just pseudo-intellectual wankery, as LMNO suggested?  Are you high?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:10:42 pm
The fact that we are able to split the atom shortly after we evolved means that we are perfectly adapted. Not because were weak. Were strong just on endurance alone. Like i said our main weakness is poor sense of smell which we apparently dont need that much.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 09:11:59 pm
I mean if we went extinct right now whales would be the most advanced and they cant light a fire or manipulate objects.

Time is not a problem for evolution and ingenuity.

Even without any of these aspects they may still demonstrate art, language, music and literature as well as social structures as well as prejudice, hatred and other negative aspects.

Naturally they would find a way to utilize their brainpower to progress, and if they cannot wait to go and do it themselves they wait for evolution to take its course.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 09:14:41 pm
I mean, seriously, you can't just give a species of animal intelligence.  You can't just give them fine motor skills, an inventive frame of mind that is species inherent, or a language center of the brain.  These are things that are extremely rare in the animal kingdom.  We killed off the other species that may have had it. 

So how are humans not special?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:17:33 pm
I think the problem here is that you arent realizing how random mutations are. When i said we won the lottery that wasnt just a metaphor.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 09:19:11 pm
I mean, seriously, you can't just give a species of animal intelligence.  You can't just give them fine motor skills, an inventive frame of mind that is species inherent, or a language center of the brain.  These are things that are extremely rare in the animal kingdom.  We killed off the other species that may have had it. 

So how are humans not special?

Outside our minds we are weak

And to help defeat you "you can't just do that" attitude lets just assume i have god like powers and i can give them that kind of intellect.

I think the problem here is that you arent realizing how random mutations are. When i said we won the lottery that wasnt just a metaphor.

Its a miracle we are not even fully covered in hair.

Of course i know that it was a pure lottery.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:20:42 pm
Endurance. We outlast everything else. We can chase prey for days.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 09:22:58 pm
Endurance. We outlast everything else. We can chase prey for days.

African wild dogs can eat a wildebeest while its still running.

Endurance is nothing special.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:24:39 pm
Except that we can kill that dog by exhausting it alone.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 09:27:25 pm
I mean, seriously, you can't just give a species of animal intelligence.  You can't just give them fine motor skills, an inventive frame of mind that is species inherent, or a language center of the brain.  These are things that are extremely rare in the animal kingdom.  We killed off the other species that may have had it. 

So how are humans not special?

Outside our minds we are weak

I think you are vastly underestimating the power of brains over brawn. 

These are the things you can do with thinking:
Ennumerate stuff, like how your food is stronger and faster than you are.
Figure out how to get around that.
Make a trap to trap your stronger, faster food.

Here's what you can do with strength:
Break things
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 09:29:20 pm
And to help defeat you "you can't just do that" attitude lets just assume i have god like powers and i can give them that kind of intellect.

So this is a pointless discussion.  Okay.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:30:12 pm
Youre also underestimating brute human strength. We have strong upper bodies because were adapted to climb trees. Also since our mutations are unique that makes them special by definition.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 09:34:04 pm
Youre also underestimating brute human strength. We have strong upper bodies because were adapted to climb trees. Also since our mutations are unique that makes them special by definition.

Also most people today are magnitudes weaker than we would have been back then because of our sedentary lifestyle vs. their get-food-or-starve existence.

But this is all about how people aren't so great, eet eez all so bohring wankery, Twid, not about reality.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:37:23 pm
Point.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:37:53 pm
Point.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 09:57:21 pm
Youre also underestimating brute human strength. We have strong upper bodies because were adapted to climb trees. Also since our mutations are unique that makes them special by definition.

Still not enough to fight a fully grown tiger though is it?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 09:58:30 pm
:sigh: this conversation and the thoughts it got going made me an atheist again. But thats ok im usually an atheist on wednesdays anyway.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 09:59:28 pm
Youre also underestimating brute human strength. We have strong upper bodies because were adapted to climb trees. Also since our mutations are unique that makes them special by definition.

Still not enough to fight a fully grown tiger though is it?

Yeah, we're totally not more formidable than tigers!  If we hadn't killed so many of them that there's probably less than three thousand in the wild left, we'd be in big trouble!@@@!!!

Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 10:00:18 pm
:sigh: this conversation and the thoughts it got going made me an atheist again. But thats ok im usually an atheist on wednesdays anyway.

My job here is done.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 10:00:33 pm
The tiger is not guaranteed to win the fight even if the human is unarmed. He just has to make winning the fight not worth it for the tiger.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 10:01:29 pm
:checkov:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 10:02:35 pm
The tiger is not guaranteed to win the fight even if the human is unarmed. He just has to make winning the fight not worth it for the tiger.

Hungry angry tiger in a enclosed space then.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 10:04:52 pm
The human probably got the tiger in that situation in the first place. Ever see swiss family robinson?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 10:51:34 pm
I mean, seriously, you can't just give a species of animal intelligence.  You can't just give them fine motor skills, an inventive frame of mind that is species inherent, or a language center of the brain.  These are things that are extremely rare in the animal kingdom.  We killed off the other species that may have had it. 

So how are humans not special?

Outside our minds we are weak

I think you are vastly underestimating the power of brains over brawn. 

These are the things you can do with thinking:
Ennumerate stuff, like how your food is stronger and faster than you are.
Figure out how to get around that.
Make a trap to trap your stronger, faster food.

Here's what you can do with strength:
Break things

No, no no you've got the wrong end of the stick.

I meant that outside of the mental capacity of our brains, in our body for example we are weak.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 25, 2012, 10:53:03 pm
IF YOU TAKE AWAY ALL OF HUMANITY'S ADVANTAGES, HUMANITY WILL HAVE NO ADVANTAGES!

And if you take away all of a fish's gills, it will not be able to breathe. What is your point?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 10:56:29 pm
IF YOU TAKE AWAY ALL OF HUMANITY'S ADVANTAGES, HUMANITY WILL HAVE NO ADVANTAGES!

And if you take away all of a fish's gills, it will not be able to breathe. What is your point?

Humans should be dead by nature's terms.

We only exist by brainpower and since we are that weak, before we could fully develop brainpower we would be massacred by all of our natural predators.

Therefore my conclusion.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gimvl9khnCA/T16ql7gaqEI/AAAAAAAAAXg/LfzO38EE048/s320/aliens.jpg)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 25, 2012, 10:59:39 pm
IF YOU TAKE AWAY ALL OF HUMANITY'S ADVANTAGES, HUMANITY WILL HAVE NO ADVANTAGES!

And if you take away all of a fish's gills, it will not be able to breathe. What is your point?

Humans should be dead by nature's terms.

We only exist by brainpower and since we are that weak, before we could fully develop brainpower we would be massacred by all of our natural predators.

Therefore my conclusion.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gimvl9khnCA/T16ql7gaqEI/AAAAAAAAAXg/LfzO38EE048/s320/aliens.jpg)

Jesus. Shut up.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 10:59:56 pm
Your conclusion is flawed. It ignores all those other adaptations that we mentioned. Did you know that some of our ancestors made tools not because they thought them up but rather it was an unconscious compulsion?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 11:00:53 pm

Jesus. Shut up.

I'm pretty sure he's being stupid on purpose.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 11:02:16 pm
IF YOU TAKE AWAY ALL OF HUMANITY'S ADVANTAGES, HUMANITY WILL HAVE NO ADVANTAGES!

And if you take away all of a fish's gills, it will not be able to breathe. What is your point?

Humans should be dead by nature's terms.

We only exist by brainpower and since we are that weak, before we could fully develop brainpower we would be massacred by all of our natural predators.

Therefore my conclusion.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gimvl9khnCA/T16ql7gaqEI/AAAAAAAAAXg/LfzO38EE048/s320/aliens.jpg)

Jesus. Shut up.

I am not jesus i am sir bearington my good man

Your conclusion is flawed. It ignores all those other adaptations that we mentioned. Did you know that some of our ancestors made tools not because they thought them up but rather it was an unconscious compulsion?

Give a monkey a stone axe, watch how it may just swing it around a bit and bash it here and there but do nothing actually with it.

Early human would be just as useless.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 11:02:44 pm
He is. Once i noted it was atheist wednesday he said his job here was done. It was a sociological experiment all along. Then i realized god must exist for someone so stupid to still be alive. See suus signature.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 11:04:32 pm
He is. Once i noted it was atheist wednesday he said his job here was done. It was a sociological experiment all along. Then i realized god must exist for someone so stupid to still be alive. See suus signature.

I was only pulling your leg obviously.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 11:07:21 pm
So youre not trolling youre willfully ignoring all other factors.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 11:08:55 pm
So youre not trolling youre willfully ignoring all other factors.

I started this thread in a stupid fashion, so i may as well end this thread in a stupid fashion.

Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 11:08:55 pm
Youre an idiot. Ill tell you why at eight oclock boston time.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 11:11:14 pm
Youre an idiot. Ill tell you why at eight oclock boston time.

Though if i told you i was both trolling you and willfully ignoring all other arguments would you believe me?

I believe in seeing something through to the end, even this pitiful shambles of a thread.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 11:13:47 pm
Youre an idiot. Ill tell you why at eight oclock boston time.

Though if i told you i was both trolling you and willfully ignoring all other arguments would you believe me?

I believe in seeing something through to the end, even this pitiful shambles of a thread.

This is why you won't last here, unless you change your behavior.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: guryaf on July 25, 2012, 11:21:25 pm

Jesus. Shut up.

I'm pretty sure he's being stupid on purpose.

(http://i.imgur.com/oNNW8.jpg)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 25, 2012, 11:24:48 pm
He's being dumb on purpose, but he's being meta-dumb accidentally. And that's what's annoying.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 25, 2012, 11:27:09 pm
He's being dumb on purpose, but he's being meta-dumb accidentally. And that's what's annoying.

Either way, that's his MO.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 25, 2012, 11:30:28 pm
Vex fucking nailed it on the head right there. Just left work.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 26, 2012, 12:06:33 am
YOU KNOW, THE HUMAN RACE WOULD DIE OUT PRETTY QUICKLY IF WE WERE ALL BORN WITHOUT LUNGS.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 26, 2012, 12:14:09 am

Jesus. Shut up.

I'm pretty sure he's being stupid on purpose.

(http://i.imgur.com/oNNW8.jpg)

Perfect.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 03:18:44 am
FUCKING FUCK!

FUCKING INTERNET WENT OUT FOR ALMOST TWO HOURS. GRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I YELL AT YOU LATER.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 06:10:21 am
Ok, so.

You spag around and annoy the crap out of everybody and then start up a thread asking for a clean slate. Freeky asks you a legit question about your position, and then you start acting like a moron again. It gets suggested that you're being dumb on purpose, maybe trolling, by a couple of people. You don't help that perception by asking, "well what if I am" and go on to say that you started this thread being retarded so you may as well continue to be retarded in this thread. That's not how that works.

If you want us to take you seriously:
1) Don't troll us
2) Don't willfully ignore valid points for the purposes of stubbornly sticking to a position
3) Don't start acting retarded again when you said you were going to stop

Now, on the chance that you don't get what's being said here, by like, everyone

A) Arguing that humanity would go extinct without advanced intelligence is a pointless speculation, since that is a defining human trait
B) Even if you want to discount that and speculate, intelligence is not our only defining adaption, and not the only thing that kept us from going extinct. It caused us to flourish, no doubt.

Consider. I mentioned early humans instinctually making tools, without thought, without innovation, but out of compulsion. You said something about early humans and monkeys banging rocks about but not really using them as tools. But tool use is a common higher primate trait. They don't think about it. They don't set out to create it. They just make it and use it. Like a chimpanzee eating termites. The chimp just knows to poke a stick in there. Early humans banged rocks together until they made stone axes, and then they used them. These were not terribly imaginative people yet. So, tool making and tool use does not require higher intelligence on the order that we have now.

It does require hands and upper body strength, which again, is common to higher primates. It also requires the ability to walk on two feet, at least for a certain amount of time. Hominids excel at that. Even the dumb ones.

We are extremely well adapted to hot climates. Hominids are actually the best at that. We're able to remain active at temperatures over 100F for the whole day (please to see slavery as proof). It sucks, but it won't kill us. It will kill any other land animal. Even other African species. Way back, it was hotter than it is now. And we would hunt under the noon day sun, when other animals were trying to stay still so that they wouldn't die of exhaustion. Sure we had pointy sticks and those sharp rocks that we banged together, but that was really just overkill. You could just keep scaring your food until it had a heart attack. And other predators will run away from a small band of hairless apes chasing after it unless it no longer has a choice. So your tiger just had a heart attack too. Your dismissal of endurance not being special is stretches credulity. Human endurance is unprecedented. And we're stubborn bastards. This endurance is afforded to us through sweat glands, lack of hair, energy efficiency, and again, bipedalism. None of these things are intelligence.

Binocular and color vision- makes us a superior hunter. While binocular vision is not unique, color vision is rarer.

Omnivorous diet- no gazelle? That's ok. Here's a fruit tree. Or a tarantula.  Whatever. No gazelle= dead lion. No intelligence required.

Scientists think our ancestors almost went extinct 1 million years ago, back when they weren't too smart. They didn't.

They also think that our species specifically came even closer to extinction 70000 ago as a result of natural disaster and climate change. But, hey, here we are, communicating across an ocean with our magic boxes. Maybe intelligence factored into it, maybe it didn't.

Also, there are dumber, weaker primates than us, like actual monkeys. They're doing alright on their own without much intelligence or superior strength.

There are plenty of reasons to shit on our species, but the reasons you give- weakness, inability to survive without intelligence, are most likely false. Intelligence gives us civilization, not survival. Sure, we're weaponized apes. But we're weaponized apes that can kick back and have a beer. A lemur can't but he's still alive.

Also, nothing would ever take our place. Like it or not, we are special. This planet is 5 billion years old and we only emerged in the last several thousand. In all that time evolution couldn't stumble upon us. And Earth is uninhabitable in about a billion years. We're not a repeat fluke. Certainly not whales who seem quite content staying in the water.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Pæs on July 26, 2012, 06:39:51 am
If your position is that humans should be dead by nature's terms and yet humans remain alive, you need to acknowledge your error or explain why reality is playing by anything other than "nature's terms". What do you think the terms are if you are not basing them on observation? Do you feel that our technology exists isolated from or in opposition to nature?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 26, 2012, 07:14:07 am
His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Telarus on July 26, 2012, 07:38:02 am
humans are glorified monkey's that in natures terms should not exist and are only good because they are smartarses.

There i said it.

http://io9.com/5927057/the-bigger-a-mammals-brain-the-less-likely-it-is-to-go-extinct
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 09:44:58 am
humans are glorified monkey's that in natures terms should not exist and are only good because they are smartarses.

There i said it.

http://io9.com/5927057/the-bigger-a-mammals-brain-the-less-likely-it-is-to-go-extinct

I think that's part of his point though. That if everything were exactly the same but our intelligence, we would not be fit for survival, on the grounds that our bodies are weak. Even though, smaller, less intelligent primates than us seem to be doing well enough as long as we're not in the picture.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 10:28:00 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 10:42:18 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 10:45:18 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 10:55:27 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 10:58:47 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.

Ok then, the cards are on the table, what do you want to talk about.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 11:06:18 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.

Ok then, the cards are on the table, what do you want to talk about.

At the moment? It's 6 am and I got about 3 hours sleep. I'm only awake because I know if I went back to sleep, I'd be out til 11. So, not a whole lot. I was responding to your posts. You seem to have potential as someone I would have interesting conversations with as long as you're not milking them for personal lulz. Otherwise I'm ok with going with the flow.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 11:13:08 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.

Ok then, the cards are on the table, what do you want to talk about.

At the moment? It's 6 am and I got about 3 hours sleep. I'm only awake because I know if I went back to sleep, I'd be out til 11. So, not a whole lot. I was responding to your posts. You seem to have potential as someone I would have interesting conversations with as long as you're not milking them for personal lulz. Otherwise I'm ok with going with the flow.

Its 11 am here, and Ive been a lazy bugger sleeping in for longer than i usually should, I'm sure i do have potential and i would like to be a more "respectable" member of this community but it will be difficult changing to adapt to a new environment in which shenanigans don't earn you anything.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 11:15:55 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.

Ok then, the cards are on the table, what do you want to talk about.

At the moment? It's 6 am and I got about 3 hours sleep. I'm only awake because I know if I went back to sleep, I'd be out til 11. So, not a whole lot. I was responding to your posts. You seem to have potential as someone I would have interesting conversations with as long as you're not milking them for personal lulz. Otherwise I'm ok with going with the flow.

Its 11 am here, and Ive been a lazy bugger sleeping in for longer than i usually should, I'm sure i do have potential and i would like to be a more "respectable" member of this community but it will be difficult changing to adapt to a new environment in which shenanigans don't earn you anything.

Oh, they do. It's just the way you were carrying on.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 11:17:59 am
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.

Ok then, the cards are on the table, what do you want to talk about.

At the moment? It's 6 am and I got about 3 hours sleep. I'm only awake because I know if I went back to sleep, I'd be out til 11. So, not a whole lot. I was responding to your posts. You seem to have potential as someone I would have interesting conversations with as long as you're not milking them for personal lulz. Otherwise I'm ok with going with the flow.

Its 11 am here, and Ive been a lazy bugger sleeping in for longer than i usually should, I'm sure i do have potential and i would like to be a more "respectable" member of this community but it will be difficult changing to adapt to a new environment in which shenanigans don't earn you anything.

Oh, they do. It's just the way you were carrying on.

Duly noted.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Freeky on July 26, 2012, 04:26:22 pm
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.

Ok then, the cards are on the table, what do you want to talk about.

At the moment? It's 6 am and I got about 3 hours sleep. I'm only awake because I know if I went back to sleep, I'd be out til 11. So, not a whole lot. I was responding to your posts. You seem to have potential as someone I would have interesting conversations with as long as you're not milking them for personal lulz. Otherwise I'm ok with going with the flow.

Its 11 am here, and Ive been a lazy bugger sleeping in for longer than i usually should, I'm sure i do have potential and i would like to be a more "respectable" member of this community but it will be difficult changing to adapt to a new environment in which shenanigans don't earn you anything.

You keep saying that but there isn't any evidence of it. So shit or get off the pot, boyo.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 04:42:00 pm
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

If you want the thread to die, say so and ignore it. Continuing with assbaggery within it will only have the opposite effect.

Im assured that it WILL die eventually, but while its alive i may as well milk it for private lulz

That will not endear you to us. Or at least me. I'd rather you have an honest conversation.

Ok then, the cards are on the table, what do you want to talk about.

At the moment? It's 6 am and I got about 3 hours sleep. I'm only awake because I know if I went back to sleep, I'd be out til 11. So, not a whole lot. I was responding to your posts. You seem to have potential as someone I would have interesting conversations with as long as you're not milking them for personal lulz. Otherwise I'm ok with going with the flow.

Its 11 am here, and Ive been a lazy bugger sleeping in for longer than i usually should, I'm sure i do have potential and i would like to be a more "respectable" member of this community but it will be difficult changing to adapt to a new environment in which shenanigans don't earn you anything.

You keep saying that but there isn't any evidence of it. So shit or get off the pot, boyo.

I'm trying to shit but most of it is getting tangled up in asshairs and is excruciatingly painful.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 26, 2012, 04:45:03 pm
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

Well then, I guess there's no need for me to continue reading or replying to your posts. Bye.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 04:46:34 pm
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

Well then, I guess there's no need for me to continue reading or replying to your posts. Bye.

Ta, ta!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 27, 2012, 03:08:38 pm
Apologies for the whole trolling and dumb arguement, i just want this thread to die really and be a buried relic of what was once trollbear and detatch it from myself.

His point seems to be that by taking Nature's terms and doing what Nature directed with them, humanity has violated Nature's terms and is therefore inferior to all other animals.

Yes, finally someone can decipher my mindless babbling behind a real point, thats what i am getting at.

Well then, I guess there's no need for me to continue reading or replying to your posts. Bye.

Come back, i miss your ignorant ranting.  :sad:

Oh wait it was me who was being ignorant, figures.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 03, 2012, 07:58:32 am
So let me get this straight, a human being is weaker than a tiger so, without the internets and the AK47, we would be extinct, right? Just like the rabbit and the duck and the slug and weasel and...

Well, fuck it then, I'm going to sell my i-Pad to a chimpanzee
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 03, 2012, 09:18:16 am
So let me get this straight, a human being is weaker than a tiger so, without the internets and the AK47, we would be extinct, right? Just like the rabbit and the duck and the slug and weasel and...

Well, fuck it then, I'm going to sell my i-Pad to a chimpanzee

Don't. Those bastards will rip you off.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2015, 08:15:26 pm
The first several pages of this thread are priceless.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 19, 2015, 02:29:35 am

Animals should be eating us left right and centre because essentially, humans are weak save only thier intellectual capacity.

Well, that and our innate viciousness, ability to throw rocks, and capacity to run all damn day until the antelope keels over from exhaustion.

We are the weaponized ape, the best hunters and fighters ever born, the only proof of which I need offer is that we have the leisure time to have this conversation.

Look, human's arent all that special, you are disillusioned to the fact we are the best fighters and therefore the most able and best in general, a chimpazee is way stronger, vicious and can throw rocks and use simple tools aswell as co-ordination in attacking and can outrun a human. A primitive ape runs rings around "weaponized" brainy ape.
Simple tools being the operative word. Given sufficient warning a human can beat a chimpanzee as handily as Indiana Jones can win a swordfight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 12, 2015, 02:09:47 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 12, 2015, 02:27:10 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.

Whatever school graduated you should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 12, 2015, 02:29:30 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.

Whatever school graduated you should be ashamed.
Howcome its possible?: http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotechnology/margawati.html
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 12, 2015, 02:37:44 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.

Whatever school graduated you should be ashamed.
Howcome its possible?: http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotechnology/margawati.html

Site's refusing to load for me. Care to quote the passage?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 12, 2015, 02:49:15 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.

Whatever school graduated you should be ashamed.
Howcome its possible?: http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotechnology/margawati.html

Site's refusing to load for me. Care to quote the passage?
Too long to copy and paste. Wikipedia has a page on it too, try that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 12, 2015, 02:52:28 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.
Too long to copy and paste. Wikipedia has a page on it too, try that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism

Whatever school graduated you should be ashamed.
Howcome its possible?: http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotechnology/margawati.html

Site's refusing to load for me. Care to quote the passage?

I hope you get hit by seven buses.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 12, 2015, 02:56:28 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.
Too long to copy and paste. Wikipedia has a page on it too, try that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism

Whatever school graduated you should be ashamed.
Howcome its possible?: http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotechnology/margawati.html

Site's refusing to load for me. Care to quote the passage?

I hope you get hit by seven buses.
Read the edited post above your reply.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 12, 2015, 03:20:51 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 12, 2015, 03:40:17 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 12, 2015, 06:01:34 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 12, 2015, 06:32:06 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.

The flight dynamics wouldn't work. We're too bulky
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 12, 2015, 06:55:44 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 12, 2015, 06:57:15 pm
Will it be possible to make a transgenic modification out of all humans and add wings or gills? Also make it compulsory for everybody. Imagine if all humans could have wings, gills or be amphibious. Take the wing, gill or amphibious gene from an albatross, fish or frog/toad and add it into the human genes. There, why do they refuse to try that?

Imagine all humans with wings being able to fly around skyscrapers, even go inside them without taking the bottom entrance. Fly straight to your bank or work and etc.

No. With the technology we currently have, it's not possible.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 12, 2015, 07:19:05 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.

A Rachel Haywire fan, unless I miss my guess.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 12, 2015, 09:22:38 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.

A Rachel Haywire fan, unless I miss my guess.

Christ, that banal piece of shit. I think the thing I like least about her, out of all the things to mildly dislike, is that she doesn't know what "neoliberal" means but she insists on using it anyway. Incorrectly. It's kind of amazing that someone can have so many opinions while having so little education.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 01:11:25 am
Christ, that banal piece of shit. I think the thing I like least about her, out of all the things to mildly dislike, is that she doesn't know what "neoliberal" means but she insists on using it anyway. Incorrectly. It's kind of amazing that someone can have so many opinions while having so little education.

While you were gone, she resurfaced on TWJ's facebook discordian page, talking about the failure of the free market system.  She then hit me up for "funding" for a "project" she wanted to launch (details hazy, seemed to involve drugs and parties leading to profit).  She was so insistent that I buggered off and trolled TCC for old time's sake.

Apparently, a week later, someone gave her money for drugs, because she was back doing the libertarian thing, and called me a "communist" for suggesting banks don't have our best interest at heart.

 :lulz:

So I blocked her and unblocked her, so she wouldn't show up in my feed.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 01:39:36 am
Christ, that banal piece of shit. I think the thing I like least about her, out of all the things to mildly dislike, is that she doesn't know what "neoliberal" means but she insists on using it anyway. Incorrectly. It's kind of amazing that someone can have so many opinions while having so little education.

While you were gone, she resurfaced on TWJ's facebook discordian page, talking about the failure of the free market system.  She then hit me up for "funding" for a "project" she wanted to launch (details hazy, seemed to involve drugs and parties leading to profit).  She was so insistent that I buggered off and trolled TCC for old time's sake.

Apparently, a week later, someone gave her money for drugs, because she was back doing the libertarian thing, and called me a "communist" for suggesting banks don't have our best interest at heart.

 :lulz:

So I blocked her and unblocked her, so she wouldn't show up in my feed.

 :lulz: Wow.

Have you seen this? http://mattforney.com/rachel-haywire-scammed-trigger-warning/
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 04:08:37 am
Christ, that banal piece of shit. I think the thing I like least about her, out of all the things to mildly dislike, is that she doesn't know what "neoliberal" means but she insists on using it anyway. Incorrectly. It's kind of amazing that someone can have so many opinions while having so little education.

While you were gone, she resurfaced on TWJ's facebook discordian page, talking about the failure of the free market system.  She then hit me up for "funding" for a "project" she wanted to launch (details hazy, seemed to involve drugs and parties leading to profit).  She was so insistent that I buggered off and trolled TCC for old time's sake.

Apparently, a week later, someone gave her money for drugs, because she was back doing the libertarian thing, and called me a "communist" for suggesting banks don't have our best interest at heart.

 :lulz:

So I blocked her and unblocked her, so she wouldn't show up in my feed.

 :lulz: Wow.

Have you seen this? http://mattforney.com/rachel-haywire-scammed-trigger-warning/

Holy shit.  :lol:

That was right about the time she was begging me for money. 

Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 04:54:52 am
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Nope I am 18 and allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid. The progress and greatness matter more. Also what the world needs is LESS order. Animals(like mice or dogs) are more morally innocent than humans as a whole anyway if you look at it from a wider viewpoint. Its better to experiment on criminals that were murderers than on mice who haven't done anything wrong if you see it from a moral viewpoint.

"Order"/Being Reactionary is the problem and the total opposite of the very definition of "solution".

Your pretty reactionary/ultaconservative"(To a 1950s and before degree) yourself for a "discordian"? I only care if something interesting/unusual or a change happens in anything. Change is never "bad" because what is bad can be fixed with another change. Opposition to change is the source of nearly all bad. My mind constantly morphs/warps as well for this reason. The only thing I "feel" from change is very energized and pleasant to a point where I want more and more.

There is no such thing as "too much change" and yes I truly believe in this. So did Maximilien Robiespierre, which points out that this has nothing to do with age. He sowed discord with intent of stopping people who tried to prevent change, initiating a work of discord called "the great terror".
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 06:02:21 am
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.
I do and nope. Change is always good, if there is something bad in place it will be fixed by change itself. I only care about the change/progress or anything very unusual/interesting that happens.

The point is to make the world more interesting, whether you get "flying/gilled/amphibious abominations", Fall of "The Veil", Civil War breaking out, North Korea invading South Korea successfully stirring the world up with a screaming over-enthusiastic crazy TV anchor, or WW3. Leave Chaos and progress/change alone and let it fix all problems that arise.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 08:06:04 am
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Nope I am 18 and I allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I hope you reread this post in five years, just so you can cringe until you puke.

Quote
The progress and greatness matter more. Also what the world needs is LESS order. Animals(like mice or dogs) are more morally innocent than humans as a whole anyway if you look at it from a wider viewpoint. Its better to experiment on criminals that were murderers than on mice who haven't done anything wrong if you see it from a moral viewpoint.

"Order"/Being Reactionary is the problem and the total opposite of the very definition of "solution".

Your pretty reactionary/ultaconservative"(To a 1950s and before degree) yourself for a "discordian"? I only care if something interesting/unusual or a change happens in anything. Change is never "bad" because what is bad can be fixed with another change. Opposition to change is the source of nearly all bad. My mind constantly morphs/warps as well for this reason. The only thing I "feel" from change is very energized and pleasant to a point where I want more and more.

There is no such thing as "too much change" and yes I truly believe in this.

You are an incredibly simplistic and naive child.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 08:41:00 am
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Nope I am 18 and I allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I hope you reread this post in five years, just so you can cringe until you puke.

Quote
The progress and greatness matter more. Also what the world needs is LESS order. Animals(like mice or dogs) are more morally innocent than humans as a whole anyway if you look at it from a wider viewpoint. Its better to experiment on criminals that were murderers than on mice who haven't done anything wrong if you see it from a moral viewpoint.

"Order"/Being Reactionary is the problem and the total opposite of the very definition of "solution".

Your pretty reactionary/ultaconservative"(To a 1950s and before degree) yourself for a "discordian"? I only care if something interesting/unusual or a change happens in anything. Change is never "bad" because what is bad can be fixed with another change. Opposition to change is the source of nearly all bad. My mind constantly morphs/warps as well for this reason. The only thing I "feel" from change is very energized and pleasant to a point where I want more and more.

There is no such thing as "too much change" and yes I truly believe in this.

You are an incredibly simplistic and naive child.
Has nothing to do with age either. You should do some research on Maximilien Robespierre. Someone who did not have a high position but big influence who weaved a big peace of discord called "the great terror" to crush those who wanted to stabilise things and prevent more change from occurring.

Read the edited sentence above without the small typo. And nope, there is NOT enough change/chaos in this world. You are simplistic in that you think order is flawless, we do not need it right now. Why are we in quasi-fascism right now? And you know everything has a counterbalance? Which means after what we have now finishes we will have the complete opposite again and again until things are "balanced" out. I hope to see the day the pendulum of today's long period of non-change/order swing to the total opposite soon, would be great if it happened in a couple of years. Maybe people like trump who is likely to cause an overthrow of himself or is not afraid of starting WW3 will trigger the swing.

And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. Atleast it was a significant change. What really makes me want to puke and this has been my whole life is stagnation and mundanity. Non-change/Order tastes like sewerage. Everytime it exists for a long time it makes me want to tear everything apart and reach for any change. Change is like food, the more deprivation of it the more desperation to come into contact with it.

Btw deities are not picky about their work. You do know as a proclaimed discordian that everytime a war, conflict/shootout, revolution or etc occurs that Eris/Discordia is always present? Its not the side effects of any change that matters but the end result. If people die they die meaningful deaths. Wars or change have lead to advancements, innovation and progress. WW1, one war that occurred with the same reasons today a world war would occur. One tiny dispute leading to a war resulting in many imperial powers that oppressed or tried to expand foreign markets like today being diminished. A revolution and many things occurring despite the negatives. Those who are afraid of change are just cowards who's lives have no meaning.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 04:08:05 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Nope I am 18 and I allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I hope you reread this post in five years, just so you can cringe until you puke.

Quote
The progress and greatness matter more. Also what the world needs is LESS order. Animals(like mice or dogs) are more morally innocent than humans as a whole anyway if you look at it from a wider viewpoint. Its better to experiment on criminals that were murderers than on mice who haven't done anything wrong if you see it from a moral viewpoint.

"Order"/Being Reactionary is the problem and the total opposite of the very definition of "solution".

Your pretty reactionary/ultaconservative"(To a 1950s and before degree) yourself for a "discordian"? I only care if something interesting/unusual or a change happens in anything. Change is never "bad" because what is bad can be fixed with another change. Opposition to change is the source of nearly all bad. My mind constantly morphs/warps as well for this reason. The only thing I "feel" from change is very energized and pleasant to a point where I want more and more.

There is no such thing as "too much change" and yes I truly believe in this.

You are an incredibly simplistic and naive child.
Has nothing to do with age either. You should do some research on Maximilien Robespierre. Someone who did not have a high position but big influence who weaved a big peace of discord called "the great terror" to crush those who wanted to stabilise things and prevent more change from occurring.

Read the edited sentence above without the small typo. And nope, there is NOT enough change/chaos in this world. You are simplistic in that you think order is flawless, we do not need it right now. Why are we in quasi-fascism right now? And you know everything has a counterbalance? Which means after what we have now finishes we will have the complete opposite again and again until things are "balanced" out. I hope to see the day the pendulum of today's long period of non-change/order swing to the total opposite soon, would be great if it happened in a couple of years. Maybe people like trump who is likely to cause an overthrow of himself or is not afraid of starting WW3 will trigger the swing.

And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. Atleast it was a significant change. What really makes me want to puke and this has been my whole life is stagnation and mundanity. Non-change/Order tastes like sewerage. Everytime it exists for a long time it makes me want to tear everything apart and reach for any change. Change is like food, the more deprivation of it the more desperation to come into contact with it.

Btw deities are not picky about their work. You do know as a proclaimed discordian that everytime a war, conflict/shootout, revolution or etc occurs that Eris/Discordia is always present? Its not the side effects of any change that matters but the end result. If people die they die meaningful deaths. Wars or change have lead to advancements, innovation and progress. WW1, one war that occurred with the same reasons today a world war would occur. One tiny dispute leading to a war resulting in many imperial powers that oppressed or tried to expand foreign markets like today being diminished. A revolution and many things occurring despite the negatives. Those who are afraid of change are just cowards who's lives have no meaning.

tl;dr
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 04:45:33 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Nope I am 18 and I allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I hope you reread this post in five years, just so you can cringe until you puke.

Quote
The progress and greatness matter more. Also what the world needs is LESS order. Animals(like mice or dogs) are more morally innocent than humans as a whole anyway if you look at it from a wider viewpoint. Its better to experiment on criminals that were murderers than on mice who haven't done anything wrong if you see it from a moral viewpoint.

"Order"/Being Reactionary is the problem and the total opposite of the very definition of "solution".

Your pretty reactionary/ultaconservative"(To a 1950s and before degree) yourself for a "discordian"? I only care if something interesting/unusual or a change happens in anything. Change is never "bad" because what is bad can be fixed with another change. Opposition to change is the source of nearly all bad. My mind constantly morphs/warps as well for this reason. The only thing I "feel" from change is very energized and pleasant to a point where I want more and more.

There is no such thing as "too much change" and yes I truly believe in this.

You are an incredibly simplistic and naive child.
Has nothing to do with age either. You should do some research on Maximilien Robespierre. Someone who did not have a high position but big influence who weaved a big peace of discord called "the great terror" to crush those who wanted to stabilise things and prevent more change from occurring.

Read the edited sentence above without the small typo. And nope, there is NOT enough change/chaos in this world. You are simplistic in that you think order is flawless, we do not need it right now. Why are we in quasi-fascism right now? And you know everything has a counterbalance? Which means after what we have now finishes we will have the complete opposite again and again until things are "balanced" out. I hope to see the day the pendulum of today's long period of non-change/order swing to the total opposite soon, would be great if it happened in a couple of years. Maybe people like trump who is likely to cause an overthrow of himself or is not afraid of starting WW3 will trigger the swing.

And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. Atleast it was a significant change. What really makes me want to puke and this has been my whole life is stagnation and mundanity. Non-change/Order tastes like sewerage. Everytime it exists for a long time it makes me want to tear everything apart and reach for any change. Change is like food, the more deprivation of it the more desperation to come into contact with it.

Btw deities are not picky about their work. You do know as a proclaimed discordian that everytime a war, conflict/shootout, revolution or etc occurs that Eris/Discordia is always present? Its not the side effects of any change that matters but the end result. If people die they die meaningful deaths. Wars or change have lead to advancements, innovation and progress. WW1, one war that occurred with the same reasons today a world war would occur. One tiny dispute leading to a war resulting in many imperial powers that oppressed or tried to expand foreign markets like today being diminished. A revolution and many things occurring despite the negatives. Those who are afraid of change are just cowards who's lives have no meaning.

tl;dr

Go read about Maximilien Robispierre and "The Great Terror"(Terrorism as a unofficial policy) he implemented to prolong the change/chaos on purpose and to wipe the french revolution clean of people who believed in order/stability.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Robespierre.jpg)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on September 13, 2015, 05:56:39 pm
Ah, 18 years old. I wish I could be there again. So full of passion, ideology, and blind sociopathy.


I miss it so.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 06:02:54 pm
Ah, 18 years old. I wish I could be there again. So full of passion, ideology, and blind sociopathy.


I miss it so.

Isn't.  Is Lys.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 08:15:57 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Nope I am 18 and I allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I hope you reread this post in five years, just so you can cringe until you puke.

Quote
The progress and greatness matter more. Also what the world needs is LESS order. Animals(like mice or dogs) are more morally innocent than humans as a whole anyway if you look at it from a wider viewpoint. Its better to experiment on criminals that were murderers than on mice who haven't done anything wrong if you see it from a moral viewpoint.

"Order"/Being Reactionary is the problem and the total opposite of the very definition of "solution".

Your pretty reactionary/ultaconservative"(To a 1950s and before degree) yourself for a "discordian"? I only care if something interesting/unusual or a change happens in anything. Change is never "bad" because what is bad can be fixed with another change. Opposition to change is the source of nearly all bad. My mind constantly morphs/warps as well for this reason. The only thing I "feel" from change is very energized and pleasant to a point where I want more and more.

There is no such thing as "too much change" and yes I truly believe in this.

You are an incredibly simplistic and naive child.
Has nothing to do with age either. You should do some research on Maximilien Robespierre. Someone who did not have a high position but big influence who weaved a big peace of discord called "the great terror" to crush those who wanted to stabilise things and prevent more change from occurring.

Read the edited sentence above without the small typo. And nope, there is NOT enough change/chaos in this world. You are simplistic in that you think order is flawless, we do not need it right now. Why are we in quasi-fascism right now? And you know everything has a counterbalance? Which means after what we have now finishes we will have the complete opposite again and again until things are "balanced" out. I hope to see the day the pendulum of today's long period of non-change/order swing to the total opposite soon, would be great if it happened in a couple of years. Maybe people like trump who is likely to cause an overthrow of himself or is not afraid of starting WW3 will trigger the swing.

And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. Atleast it was a significant change. What really makes me want to puke and this has been my whole life is stagnation and mundanity. Non-change/Order tastes like sewerage. Everytime it exists for a long time it makes me want to tear everything apart and reach for any change. Change is like food, the more deprivation of it the more desperation to come into contact with it.

Btw deities are not picky about their work. You do know as a proclaimed discordian that everytime a war, conflict/shootout, revolution or etc occurs that Eris/Discordia is always present? Its not the side effects of any change that matters but the end result. If people die they die meaningful deaths. Wars or change have lead to advancements, innovation and progress. WW1, one war that occurred with the same reasons today a world war would occur. One tiny dispute leading to a war resulting in many imperial powers that oppressed or tried to expand foreign markets like today being diminished. A revolution and many things occurring despite the negatives. Those who are afraid of change are just cowards who's lives have no meaning.

tl;dr

Go read about Maximilien Robispierre and "The Great Terror"(Terrorism as a unofficial policy) he implemented to prolong the change/chaos on purpose and to wipe the french revolution clean of people who believed in order/stability.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Robespierre.jpg)

Oh! Oh! Oh! As long as we're recommending books to each other, go read "The Molecular Biology of the Cell" by Bruce Alberts and Alexander Johnson. It's fascinating.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1358939662_NucleusModel.jpg)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 08:22:15 pm

Oh! Oh! Oh! As long as we're recommending books to each other, go read "The Molecular Biology of the Cell" by Bruce Alberts and Alexander Johnson. It's fascinating.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1358939662_NucleusModel.jpg)

Don't come dragging your Godless secular "observable reality" around HERE, lady!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 08:26:28 pm

Oh! Oh! Oh! As long as we're recommending books to each other, go read "The Molecular Biology of the Cell" by Bruce Alberts and Alexander Johnson. It's fascinating.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1358939662_NucleusModel.jpg)

Don't come dragging your Godless secular "observable reality" around HERE, lady!

I can't help it because I'm so 1950's ultraconservative.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 08:27:32 pm

I can't help it because I'm so 1950's ultraconservative.

 :lulz:

I have the stomach flu.  Don't do that.

Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 08:29:50 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 08:54:19 pm

I can't help it because I'm so 1950's ultraconservative.

 :lulz:

I have the stomach flu.  Don't do that.

Hors d'ouvre?
 
(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00351/STZ23CAMILLA_351072k.jpg)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 09:07:27 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 09:36:59 pm

I can't help it because I'm so 1950's ultraconservative.

 :lulz:

I have the stomach flu.  Don't do that.

Hors d'ouvre?
 
(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00351/STZ23CAMILLA_351072k.jpg)

GONNA POOP
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 09:42:56 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.

Also, in the post-civilization environment about which he fantasizes, everyone else will kill off the more obvious sociopaths as a matter of sheer self-preservation.  Mostly because the VERY first thing people do when shit falls apart is start putting it back together again. 

When the Roman empire fell apart, society became MORE oppressive, because there wasn't any other choice.  In England, for example, the raging mobs of Saxons forced the Britons to accept a level of power in their kings that would never have been previously tolerated.  Same thing when the Vikings showed up.  By the 8th century, absolute monarchy was firmly established, and 99% of the population was stuck doing whatever the fuck they were told to do, and actually belonged to the land which belonged to their local feudal overlord.

Contrast this with Roman society, in which your average citizen/resident could do anything he wanted, provided he didn't conspire against the government.  Slaves were a different story, of course, but were a world-wide reality at that point in history (Also, what happened to Britain in 450CE forward made Roman slavery look like a walk in the park).
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 09:59:11 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.

Also, in the post-civilization environment about which he fantasizes, everyone else will kill off the more obvious sociopaths as a matter of sheer self-preservation.  Mostly because the VERY first thing people do when shit falls apart is start putting it back together again. 

When the Roman empire fell apart, society became MORE oppressive, because there wasn't any other choice.  In England, for example, the raging mobs of Saxons forced the Britons to accept a level of power in their kings that would never have been previously tolerated.  Same thing when the Vikings showed up.  By the 8th century, absolute monarchy was firmly established, and 99% of the population was stuck doing whatever the fuck they were told to do, and actually belonged to the land which belonged to their local feudal overlord.

Contrast this with Roman society, in which your average citizen/resident could do anything he wanted, provided he didn't conspire against the government.  Slaves were a different story, of course, but were a world-wide reality at that point in history (Also, what happened to Britain in 450CE forward made Roman slavery look like a walk in the park).

Yeah. It's too bad the kid has only read that one book, because if he'd read some history he might get a better picture of what actually happens when things go to shit.

I don't know what he's fucking around with Discordia for, since he clearly doesn't understand the concepts of chaos and eristic escalation.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 13, 2015, 10:45:04 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.

It's more of a parasitism thing; as well as an adaptation to said parasitism. If there are a lot of generous helpful people about, there is a material advantage to one who is willing to take advantage of and exploit such generousity (and the advantage only works though if most of the surrounding people are of the decent type; a real life Galt's Gulch would never work). The chances of being exploited can in turn be minimized either through vigilance, and/or by minimizing the gain to be had from such exploitation, either by being less generous or by cancelling gains out with revenge.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2015, 10:50:21 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.

It's more of a parasitism thing; as well as an adaptation to said parasitism. If there are a lot of generous helpful people about, there is a material advantage to one who is willing to take advantage of and exploit such generousity (and the advantage only works though if most of the surrounding people are of the decent type; a real life Galt's Gulch would never work). The chances of being exploited can in turn be minimized either through vigilance, and/or by minimizing the gain to be had from such exploitation, either by being less generous or by cancelling gains out with revenge.

Thanks for the peanut gallery view, but there is actually a rather large body of research on the topic so we don't really need the armchair perspective at this time.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 10:56:15 pm


Yeah. It's too bad the kid has only read that one book, because if he'd read some history he might get a better picture of what actually happens when things go to shit.

I don't know what he's fucking around with Discordia for, since he clearly doesn't understand the concepts of chaos and eristic escalation.

I don't expect people to get those two concepts right out of the gate.  Hell, there are some Discordians that never understood it.  Charley comes to mind, as do some of the more basically rotten people who infested this dump in the early days.  And of course hilarious old Prince Tao Jones.

But having someone show up lecturing things that are clearly foreign to him makes me think of Donald Trump or William Jennings Bryan.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 11:13:11 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end. France because of the French Revolution has an anti-authority culture where people spit on the authorities all the time and have barely any respect for them. They are very riot/protest and strike-happy because of the French Revolution and allow none to dictate their lives. I do not want to live in an Orwellian 1984.

I would rather Somalia than Oceania in 1984 or a corporate-fascist state if made to choose. I care about my freedoms, you do not. What we have here is already fucking horrible, read this: http://theaimn.com/the-slide-away-from-democracy/

And if you care about people you should know they technically have concentration camps for refugees, declassifying the conditions will get you sent straight to prison. Oppression does not end on its own, you need change.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 11:18:16 pm
Ah, 18 years old. I wish I could be there again. So full of passion, ideology, and blind sociopathy.


I miss it so.

Isn't.  Is Lys.
The conspiretardedness is strong in this one. Fact is my city has the most concentrated population in my country if you find any IP "similarities". And funny how you claim to be "Discordian/Erisian" when you are so afraid of radical/unusual change. You should know deities are not picky about their work. She is there when there is a war, she is there when a bloody revolution occurs and she is there in every single conflict. Known for causing destruction in the past or wars with high death tolls like the Trojan war or even WW1. Are you calling her sociopathic as well then?

You need to embrace the more unpleasant parts too and step outside of your comfort zone instead of selfishly cherry-picking what makes you feel good. Something good and lucky can happen but something suddenly bad can also happen to you, accept that fact. Fact is one of the refounders was involved in the assassination of Kennedy and he did it partly to prolong the war(Sow Discord). Why is that?

Also there is actually too much order. In seriousness explain why people no longer care about their freedoms despite the government becoming ever more corrupt and tyrannical?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 13, 2015, 11:19:03 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.

It's more of a parasitism thing; as well as an adaptation to said parasitism. If there are a lot of generous helpful people about, there is a material advantage to one who is willing to take advantage of and exploit such generousity (and the advantage only works though if most of the surrounding people are of the decent type; a real life Galt's Gulch would never work). The chances of being exploited can in turn be minimized either through vigilance, and/or by minimizing the gain to be had from such exploitation, either by being less generous or by cancelling gains out with revenge.

Thanks for the peanut gallery view, but there is actually a rather large body of research on the topic so we don't really need the armchair perspective at this time.

Well the last part about retaliation was based on Robert Axelrod's studies regarding the iterated prisoner's dilemma, in which a tit for tat strategy was found to be the most successful basic strategy.

EDIT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma#Strategy_for_the_iterated_prisoners.27_dilemma

EDIT:
Also, if there's no advantage to be gained by being an unfeeling exploitative ass then how the hell do you explain business, or politics?

EDIT:
Also, to a lesser extent, organized crime.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 11:40:55 pm
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end.

So...the end justifies the means?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 11:41:39 pm
You need to embrace the more unpleasant parts too and step outside of your comfort zone instead of selfishly cherry-picking what makes you feel good.

 :lulz:

This is precious.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 11:42:53 pm
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end.

So...the end justifies the means?
Yes definitely. Especially with the fact if this current declining/going downhill system does not go it will turn into something far worse than the side effects of a revolution or war. Read the two edited replies.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 11:44:06 pm
You need to embrace the more unpleasant parts too and step outside of your comfort zone instead of selfishly cherry-picking what makes you feel good.

 :lulz:

This is precious.
Well I'm just speaking the hard-reality/cold truth. Even though I realise she can be destructive and lead to many deaths in doing so. I still follow because it was still necessary to restore the balance in all situations. Every situation needed a different amount of change put in, the more stagnation the more needed. Bringing people out of their daily routines and moving them forward.

With Chaos both positives and negatives come, you have to be prepared to deal with any negatives and be well prepared. The Internet would not have been possible today if it were not for the development of radar technology due to WW1 and WW2.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 11:46:37 pm

Yes definitely.

Congratulations, you have become what you hate.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 11:47:38 pm
You need to embrace the more unpleasant parts too and step outside of your comfort zone instead of selfishly cherry-picking what makes you feel good.

 :lulz:

This is precious.
Well I'm just speaking the hard-reality/cold truth.

Nope.  You're a loud-mouthed idiot who makes a pile of assumptions instead of doing a bit of looking around.

You're a dumbass.  I'm not sure how I can make this any plainer.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 13, 2015, 11:53:07 pm

Yes definitely.

Congratulations, you have become what you hate.
Read the edited posts.

And ironic how you don't call the masses of people who do not care about neither their own or others' freedoms "sociopathic" and rise up to fight for their freedom because of selfish material interests and self-preservation. These are the people worthy of being called sociopaths. These are the people who are really disgusting.

Why not spit on those who try to take away an inch of their freedoms like the people in France who are known for being protest/riot and strike-happy to a point where they control the authority? Fuck the police.

Call me "sociopathic" when I am willing to go on a hunger strike at the right time in protest against the oppression of all.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 14, 2015, 12:14:59 am

Yes definitely.

Congratulations, you have become what you hate.
Read the edited posts.

blah, blah, blah, here to instruct the ignorant, blah, blah, blah.

Heard this all before.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 14, 2015, 01:20:04 am

Yes definitely.

Congratulations, you have become what you hate.
Read the edited posts.

blah, blah, blah, here to instruct the ignorant, blah, blah, blah.

Heard this all before.
"Instruct everyone?" Nope I am just pointing out hypocrisy and I do not like hypocrisy. Especially wild assumptions from those who don't know crap about me or all of my beliefs. When people try to calculate/measure me they nearly always fail to get it right including irl.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 14, 2015, 01:31:05 am
"Instruct everyone?" Nope I am just pointing out hypocrisy and I do not like hypocrisy. Especially wild assumptions from those who don't know crap about me or all of my beliefs. When people try to calculate/measure me they nearly always fail to get it right including irl.

*ahem*

Nobody gives a shit.  You might have noticed that if you ever stopped trying to tell people WHAT.

That is all.  You may now get back to telling us WHAT, and feeling somehow superior when nobody takes you seriously, or even pretends to. 
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 14, 2015, 01:59:06 am
"Instruct everyone?" Nope I am just pointing out hypocrisy and I do not like hypocrisy. Especially wild assumptions from those who don't know crap about me or all of my beliefs. When people try to calculate/measure me they nearly always fail to get it right including irl.

*ahem*

Nobody gives a shit.  You might have noticed that if you ever stopped trying to tell people WHAT.

That is all.  You may now get back to telling us WHAT, and feeling somehow superior when nobody takes you seriously, or even pretends to.
And I don't give a shit if nobody gives a shit? I don't have to follow everybody else, and plus people will start to when they start to find it difficult to get food and shelter anyway. Difference is I support quick/violent change/chaos because waiting takes too long, and it is more effective. You questioned "why I support Discordia?". I support her discord and conflict aspects included.

And plus if people "don't give a shit" it's even better because it means there is nobody there to hinder you physically or emotionally/psychologically and you can do stuff without them noticing. Just like with the current government now who are chipping away people's freedom silently, because not enough people "give a shit" they have total freedom to do what they want without being stopped/hindered. I am trying to learn how to influence fate/events and study human reactions when being exposed to certain conditions from an analytical/logical perspective. Controlling/Tampering with or swaying fate/event occurrence is like chemistry, you need certain components + certain conditions(which is like temperature) for each event and one important one being stealth. It must be done also influencing events as indirectly as possible with a big chain of subtle influence starting from you.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 14, 2015, 02:11:50 am
And I don't give a shit if nobody gives a shit? I don't have to follow everybody else, and plus people will start to when they start to find it difficult to get food and shelter anyway. Difference is I support quick/violent change/chaos because waiting takes too long, and it is more effective. You questioned "why I support Discordia?". I support her discord and conflict aspects included.

Look, don't get all pissy with me because you can't communicate effectively.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Hoopla! on September 15, 2015, 06:20:20 pm
Well, unfortunately for you, the page finally loaded for me.

There's nothing in there about humans with gills or wings AT ALL, and do you know why that is? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A GODDAMNED "WINGS" GENE.

Wings are complex structures that take (I'm ballparking here) millions of genes to build, and they're built out of shit you're already using for other things: your goddamned arms. Oh, and if you want them to work that means you need feathers which, protip, are most likely modified teeth genes, so say goodbye to your choppers. Also you weigh too goddamned much, so either you need to be smaller (more changes!) or have hollow bones (mammals haven't had that shit in EVER, so good luck finding a way to make that work). And of course to power the wings you need completely different chest muscles, so just add that to your list of shit you need to change. ON TOP OF THE MILLIONS FOR THE WING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You want gills too? You know that fancy jaw thing you have? Say goodbye to it. Yeah, fish and amphibians have mouths and gills, but your jaw has all kinds of extra parts they don't and that all comes from modified gill genes.

Genes are like lego instructions. You can swap a couple things out here and there to get different pieces of things you need, but if you start trying to recreate part of a castle inside your star wars set you're going to end up with a mess and not enough pieces to finish anything.


And next time you run your mouth like an idiot, make sure the thing you link to actually backs up your nonsense.
I did not mention the article saying it can be done to humans. I am saying that if they can take gene traits from one species and put it into another, it works and modifies them. Its never been tried on humans for some reason and idk why but on animals. For the gills, wings or amphibian suggestion I just think it would be quite interesting to try to take those traits and experiment on humans in the name of greatness/just to see what happens or how it turns out.

BECAUSE YOU WOULD MAKE HORRIBLE STILLBORN MONSTROSITIES.

I'm going to assume you're 18 or 19 because son, you have LITERALLY NO CONCEPT of human suffering.

I'm gonna guess 15 and kinda stupid.
Nope I am 18 and allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid. The progress and greatness matter more. Also what the world needs is LESS order. Animals(like mice or dogs) are more morally innocent than humans as a whole anyway if you look at it from a wider viewpoint. Its better to experiment on criminals that were murderers than on mice who haven't done anything wrong if you see it from a moral viewpoint.

"Order"/Being Reactionary is the problem and the total opposite of the very definition of "solution".

Your pretty reactionary/ultaconservative"(To a 1950s and before degree) yourself for a "discordian"? I only care if something interesting/unusual or a change happens in anything. Change is never "bad" because what is bad can be fixed with another change. Opposition to change is the source of nearly all bad. My mind constantly morphs/warps as well for this reason. The only thing I "feel" from change is very energized and pleasant to a point where I want more and more.

There is no such thing as "too much change" and yes I truly believe in this. So did Maximilien Robiespierre, which points out that this has nothing to do with age. He sowed discord with intent of stopping people who tried to prevent change, initiating a work of discord called "the great terror".

So... ethics are bad, and morals are good.  Got it.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2015, 12:11:05 am
allowing "ethics" or emotions to get in the way of progress is whats really stupid.

Funny.  Adolf Eichmann said the very same thing.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 16, 2015, 06:32:02 am
You could probably make someone that glows in the dark. That's been done with a few different species already. It's been done to death. But there's really so practical reason to do so.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 16, 2015, 06:37:38 am
Most importantly, advances in human genetic engineering and access thereto would mean that pink establishment cabbage types would have more access to human genetic engineering. Mainly them, in fact. And I don't want them in charge of humanity's genetic future.

EDIT:
Who will fund the project to make super hippies to protest the super soldiers?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 16, 2015, 06:50:23 am
[crazy futurist ranting]

Also, I forsee preemptive genetic modification resulting in the stagnation of conventional medicine.

Without genetic engineering to hold it back I forsee conventional medicine in the far-flung distant future - millenia away - allowing us to transcend humanity, literally. Eventually we will become so deevolved and the medicine to counteract this so advanced, that our humanity will be a product of the medicine and not our parentage, and so we'll be able to craft a person out of any suitably similar base species.
[/crazy futurist ranting]
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 17, 2015, 05:26:55 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end. France because of the French Revolution has an anti-authority culture where people spit on the authorities all the time and have barely any respect for them. They are very riot/protest and strike-happy because of the French Revolution and allow none to dictate their lives. I do not want to live in an Orwellian 1984.

I would rather Somalia than Oceania in 1984 or a corporate-fascist state if made to choose. I care about my freedoms, you do not. What we have here is already fucking horrible, read this: http://theaimn.com/the-slide-away-from-democracy/

And if you care about people you should know they technically have concentration camps for refugees, declassifying the conditions will get you sent straight to prison. Oppression does not end on its own, you need change.

Have you tried reading any of the other threads on this board? You come across like a pubescent kid who just discovered social injustice and thinks he has all the right outrage and all the right answers, but has exactly zero idea what's going on in the activism sphere and has only read one book. Ever.

In addition, none of this has FUCK ALL to do with doing genetic experiments on human beings. Did you even look to see what thread you were in? Go home, little boy, you are lost.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 17, 2015, 05:28:37 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.

It's more of a parasitism thing; as well as an adaptation to said parasitism. If there are a lot of generous helpful people about, there is a material advantage to one who is willing to take advantage of and exploit such generousity (and the advantage only works though if most of the surrounding people are of the decent type; a real life Galt's Gulch would never work). The chances of being exploited can in turn be minimized either through vigilance, and/or by minimizing the gain to be had from such exploitation, either by being less generous or by cancelling gains out with revenge.

Thanks for the peanut gallery view, but there is actually a rather large body of research on the topic so we don't really need the armchair perspective at this time.

Well the last part about retaliation was based on Robert Axelrod's studies regarding the iterated prisoner's dilemma, in which a tit for tat strategy was found to be the most successful basic strategy.

EDIT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma#Strategy_for_the_iterated_prisoners.27_dilemma

EDIT:
Also, if there's no advantage to be gained by being an unfeeling exploitative ass then how the hell do you explain business, or politics?

EDIT:
Also, to a lesser extent, organized crime.

Oh my god, just shut up. We are not talking about what you want to be talking about, no matter how hard you try to shoehorn the topic into something you think you know about.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 18, 2015, 11:42:07 am
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end. France because of the French Revolution has an anti-authority culture where people spit on the authorities all the time and have barely any respect for them. They are very riot/protest and strike-happy because of the French Revolution and allow none to dictate their lives. I do not want to live in an Orwellian 1984.

I would rather Somalia than Oceania in 1984 or a corporate-fascist state if made to choose. I care about my freedoms, you do not. What we have here is already fucking horrible, read this: http://theaimn.com/the-slide-away-from-democracy/

And if you care about people you should know they technically have concentration camps for refugees, declassifying the conditions will get you sent straight to prison. Oppression does not end on its own, you need change.

Have you tried reading any of the other threads on this board? You come across like a pubescent kid who just discovered social injustice and thinks he has all the right outrage and all the right answers, but has exactly zero idea what's going on in the activism sphere and has only read one book. Ever.

In addition, none of this has FUCK ALL to do with doing genetic experiments on human beings. Did you even look to see what thread you were in? Go home, little boy, you are lost.
I was replying to someone just. As for this thread I'm talking about pulling off a real life "Dr. Frankenstein" except without "bringing back the dead" but creating many new unusual life forms. Cultivate chaos in nature through gene/DNA tampering.

Combine gill genes with humans, combine wing genes with humans, combine amphibious genes with humans maybe even fish, reptile, croc, bird or bat genes with human intelligence and humanoid appearence. See the results, scream "ITS ALIVE!" Who knows what you will get? So who will be the real life Dr. Frankenstein of gene/dna tampering?

I honestly wouldn't give a crap if we had human-intelligence level "abominations" walking around everywhere. It would just make the world a more interesting place.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 18, 2015, 04:37:35 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end. France because of the French Revolution has an anti-authority culture where people spit on the authorities all the time and have barely any respect for them. They are very riot/protest and strike-happy because of the French Revolution and allow none to dictate their lives. I do not want to live in an Orwellian 1984.

I would rather Somalia than Oceania in 1984 or a corporate-fascist state if made to choose. I care about my freedoms, you do not. What we have here is already fucking horrible, read this: http://theaimn.com/the-slide-away-from-democracy/

And if you care about people you should know they technically have concentration camps for refugees, declassifying the conditions will get you sent straight to prison. Oppression does not end on its own, you need change.

Have you tried reading any of the other threads on this board? You come across like a pubescent kid who just discovered social injustice and thinks he has all the right outrage and all the right answers, but has exactly zero idea what's going on in the activism sphere and has only read one book. Ever.

In addition, none of this has FUCK ALL to do with doing genetic experiments on human beings. Did you even look to see what thread you were in? Go home, little boy, you are lost.
I was replying to someone just. As for this thread I'm talking about pulling off a real life "Dr. Frankenstein" except without "bringing back the dead" but creating many new unusual life forms. Cultivate chaos in nature through gene/DNA tampering.

Combine gill genes with humans, combine wing genes with humans, combine amphibious genes with humans maybe even fish, reptile, croc, bird or bat genes with human intelligence and humanoid appearence. See the results, scream "ITS ALIVE!" Who knows what you will get? So who will be the real life Dr. Frankenstein of gene/dna tampering?

I honestly wouldn't give a crap if we had human-intelligence level "abominations" walking around everywhere. It would just make the world a more interesting place.

GENES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 18, 2015, 04:50:47 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end. France because of the French Revolution has an anti-authority culture where people spit on the authorities all the time and have barely any respect for them. They are very riot/protest and strike-happy because of the French Revolution and allow none to dictate their lives. I do not want to live in an Orwellian 1984.

I would rather Somalia than Oceania in 1984 or a corporate-fascist state if made to choose. I care about my freedoms, you do not. What we have here is already fucking horrible, read this: http://theaimn.com/the-slide-away-from-democracy/

And if you care about people you should know they technically have concentration camps for refugees, declassifying the conditions will get you sent straight to prison. Oppression does not end on its own, you need change.

Have you tried reading any of the other threads on this board? You come across like a pubescent kid who just discovered social injustice and thinks he has all the right outrage and all the right answers, but has exactly zero idea what's going on in the activism sphere and has only read one book. Ever.

In addition, none of this has FUCK ALL to do with doing genetic experiments on human beings. Did you even look to see what thread you were in? Go home, little boy, you are lost.
I was replying to someone just. As for this thread I'm talking about pulling off a real life "Dr. Frankenstein" except without "bringing back the dead" but creating many new unusual life forms. Cultivate chaos in nature through gene/DNA tampering.

Combine gill genes with humans, combine wing genes with humans, combine amphibious genes with humans maybe even fish, reptile, croc, bird or bat genes with human intelligence and humanoid appearence. See the results, scream "ITS ALIVE!" Who knows what you will get? So who will be the real life Dr. Frankenstein of gene/dna tampering?

I honestly wouldn't give a crap if we had human-intelligence level "abominations" walking around everywhere. It would just make the world a more interesting place.

What in the fuck kind of bullshit do they teach people in high school biology in Australia? I know the place is backward as fuck, but seriously?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 18, 2015, 04:53:54 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2015, 06:00:11 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.

Life During Wartime, without the cool bits.

(Which, incidentally, is next in the hopper)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2015, 06:00:58 pm

GENES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

HE CAN'T LISTEN
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 18, 2015, 06:14:17 pm

GENES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

HE CAN'T LISTEN

I know, but sometimes it feels good to yell.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2015, 06:46:58 pm

GENES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

HE CAN'T LISTEN

I know, but sometimes it feels good to yell.

I should try that some day.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 18, 2015, 06:55:24 pm

GENES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

HE CAN'T LISTEN

I know, but sometimes it feels good to yell.

I should try that some day.

Isn't that where haboobs come from?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2015, 07:02:59 pm


Isn't that where haboobs come from?

No, haboobs come from eating Thai food and Indian food on the same day.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 18, 2015, 07:28:47 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 18, 2015, 07:29:44 pm

GENES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

HE CAN'T LISTEN
I am talking about in a scenario where one day it becomes possible which could be soon. Transgenic technology has already opened the road to this possibility.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2015, 07:33:37 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

Doesn't even know test tube babies don't literally grow in test tubes.

Lectures others on genetics and biology.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 18, 2015, 07:37:46 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

Doesn't even know test tube babies don't literally grow in test tubes.

Lectures others on genetics and biology.

 :lulz:
Discuss* not lecture. Also its possible to grow one in a jar, so there you have it. Problem solved. Easy, is it not?: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1320175/First-test-tube-baby-Louise-Brown-actually-grown-jar.html
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 18, 2015, 07:39:04 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end. France because of the French Revolution has an anti-authority culture where people spit on the authorities all the time and have barely any respect for them. They are very riot/protest and strike-happy because of the French Revolution and allow none to dictate their lives. I do not want to live in an Orwellian 1984.

I would rather Somalia than Oceania in 1984 or a corporate-fascist state if made to choose. I care about my freedoms, you do not. What we have here is already fucking horrible, read this: http://theaimn.com/the-slide-away-from-democracy/

And if you care about people you should know they technically have concentration camps for refugees, declassifying the conditions will get you sent straight to prison. Oppression does not end on its own, you need change.

Have you tried reading any of the other threads on this board? You come across like a pubescent kid who just discovered social injustice and thinks he has all the right outrage and all the right answers, but has exactly zero idea what's going on in the activism sphere and has only read one book. Ever.

In addition, none of this has FUCK ALL to do with doing genetic experiments on human beings. Did you even look to see what thread you were in? Go home, little boy, you are lost.
I was replying to someone just. As for this thread I'm talking about pulling off a real life "Dr. Frankenstein" except without "bringing back the dead" but creating many new unusual life forms. Cultivate chaos in nature through gene/DNA tampering.

Combine gill genes with humans, combine wing genes with humans, combine amphibious genes with humans maybe even fish, reptile, croc, bird or bat genes with human intelligence and humanoid appearence. See the results, scream "ITS ALIVE!" Who knows what you will get? So who will be the real life Dr. Frankenstein of gene/dna tampering?

I honestly wouldn't give a crap if we had human-intelligence level "abominations" walking around everywhere. It would just make the world a more interesting place.

What in the fuck kind of bullshit do they teach people in high school biology in Australia? I know the place is backward as fuck, but seriously?
Same crap you talk about but I follow and research my own sources. And also its proven that living things can be grown in jars or glass containers: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1320175/First-test-tube-baby-Louise-Brown-actually-grown-jar.html

Folks in the U.S around my age 18-20s(In my generation) also unknowingly created and inhaled chlorine gas for example on 4chan when some guy disguised it as as crystal blowing recipe.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 18, 2015, 07:39:44 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

Doesn't even know test tube babies don't literally grow in test tubes.

Lectures others on genetics and biology.

 :lulz:
Discuss* not lecture. Also its possible to grow one in a jar, so there you have it. Problem solved. Easy, is it not?: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1320175/First-test-tube-baby-Louise-Brown-actually-grown-jar.html

Quote
Mr Edwards, an 85-year-old Cambridge physiologist and the late Patrick Steptoe, a gynaecologic surgeon, developed IVF technology in which egg cells are fertilised outside the body and implanted in the womb.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 18, 2015, 07:42:16 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

Doesn't even know test tube babies don't literally grow in test tubes.

Lectures others on genetics and biology.

 :lulz:
Discuss* not lecture. Also its possible to grow one in a jar, so there you have it. Problem solved. Easy, is it not?: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1320175/First-test-tube-baby-Louise-Brown-actually-grown-jar.html

Quote
Mr Edwards, an 85-year-old Cambridge physiologist and the late Patrick Steptoe, a gynaecologic surgeon, developed IVF technology in which egg cells are fertilised outside the body and implanted in the womb.
Got any proof it doesnt work in large glass containers with the right temperature and conditions?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 18, 2015, 07:45:03 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

Doesn't even know test tube babies don't literally grow in test tubes.

Lectures others on genetics and biology.

 :lulz:
Discuss* not lecture. Also its possible to grow one in a jar, so there you have it. Problem solved. Easy, is it not?: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1320175/First-test-tube-baby-Louise-Brown-actually-grown-jar.html

Quote
Mr Edwards, an 85-year-old Cambridge physiologist and the late Patrick Steptoe, a gynaecologic surgeon, developed IVF technology in which egg cells are fertilised outside the body and implanted in the womb.
Got any proof it doesnt work in large glass containers with the right temperature and conditions?

Rich people haven't started doing it that way yet and that's way less squicky than asking a stranger to hold your fetus for you.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2015, 07:47:43 pm
 :lulz:

Amazing.  At this point, ChaosAdvocate, if you asserted the sky is blue I'd be looking around for a second opinion.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 18, 2015, 10:34:01 pm
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.
Nope I can feel for others but I can also feel the greater good that comes at the end. France because of the French Revolution has an anti-authority culture where people spit on the authorities all the time and have barely any respect for them. They are very riot/protest and strike-happy because of the French Revolution and allow none to dictate their lives. I do not want to live in an Orwellian 1984.

I would rather Somalia than Oceania in 1984 or a corporate-fascist state if made to choose. I care about my freedoms, you do not. What we have here is already fucking horrible, read this: http://theaimn.com/the-slide-away-from-democracy/

And if you care about people you should know they technically have concentration camps for refugees, declassifying the conditions will get you sent straight to prison. Oppression does not end on its own, you need change.

Have you tried reading any of the other threads on this board? You come across like a pubescent kid who just discovered social injustice and thinks he has all the right outrage and all the right answers, but has exactly zero idea what's going on in the activism sphere and has only read one book. Ever.

In addition, none of this has FUCK ALL to do with doing genetic experiments on human beings. Did you even look to see what thread you were in? Go home, little boy, you are lost.
I was replying to someone just. As for this thread I'm talking about pulling off a real life "Dr. Frankenstein" except without "bringing back the dead" but creating many new unusual life forms. Cultivate chaos in nature through gene/DNA tampering.

Combine gill genes with humans, combine wing genes with humans, combine amphibious genes with humans maybe even fish, reptile, croc, bird or bat genes with human intelligence and humanoid appearence. See the results, scream "ITS ALIVE!" Who knows what you will get? So who will be the real life Dr. Frankenstein of gene/dna tampering?

I honestly wouldn't give a crap if we had human-intelligence level "abominations" walking around everywhere. It would just make the world a more interesting place.

What in the fuck kind of bullshit do they teach people in high school biology in Australia? I know the place is backward as fuck, but seriously?
Same crap you talk about but I follow and research my own sources. And also its proven that living things can be grown in jars or glass containers: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1320175/First-test-tube-baby-Louise-Brown-actually-grown-jar.html

I'm a biologist. There's lots of research into in vitro gestation, it's not even close to working. Your source is literally the Daily Mail. and you don't even understand what it's saying. The entire baby didn't gestate in a jar.

:lulz: You HAVE to be trolling.

Quote
Folks in the U.S around my age 18-20s(In my generation) also unknowingly created and inhaled chlorine gas for example on 4chan when some guy disguised it as as crystal blowing recipe.

Is this supposed to be some kind of endorsement?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2015, 10:35:55 pm
Chlorine, it's just like a baby!
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 18, 2015, 10:36:54 pm
I can't wait for your explanation of the cartoon-version of genetic engineering that you think is real life, in which you can simply "splice" a complex attribute like flight from one species into another one.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 18, 2015, 10:49:18 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

Doesn't even know test tube babies don't literally grow in test tubes.

Lectures others on genetics and biology.

 :lulz:
Discuss* not lecture. Also its possible to grow one in a jar, so there you have it. Problem solved. Easy, is it not?: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1320175/First-test-tube-baby-Louise-Brown-actually-grown-jar.html

Quote
Mr Edwards, an 85-year-old Cambridge physiologist and the late Patrick Steptoe, a gynaecologic surgeon, developed IVF technology in which egg cells are fertilised outside the body and implanted in the womb.
Got any proof it doesnt work in large glass containers with the right temperature and conditions?

You know, even if we totally mastered ectogenesis and were able to fully gestate human infants to term, you're still advocating for performing genetic experiments on humans who have no choice in the matter. Are you familiar with the Third Reich at all?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2015, 11:15:38 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

The embryo still has to be brought to term inside a human, you idiot.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2015, 11:16:37 pm
Got any proof it doesnt work in large glass containers with the right temperature and conditions?

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2015, 11:19:08 pm
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12039314_10153648387003188_1156551079463051205_n.jpg?oh=293a1f38b5dcb8dfdf196b3119ababe7&oe=56A10771)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 19, 2015, 03:04:17 am
And you know what? I was quite entertained/nourished by the "Ukraine crisis" when it occurred. The stir it caused to even where I live, it was quite disappointing they made a ceasefire and the other side didn't launch an attack. .

You are a sociopath and should seek treatment.

Please note that there's nothing "edgy" about being a sociopath.  It means that you are mentally and emotionally stunted.  A defective biot, and not in a revolutionary way.  You are to the species what Fiats are to sports cars.

This. Lacking empathy doesn't mean you're a superior person or a better thinker, it means that you are missing one of the major evolutionary strategies that has permitted our species to thrive. Empathy is an important component of decision-making and people who lack it tend to not only treat others poorly, but to fare poorly themselves. They are more likely to end up impoverished, imprisoned, and in poor health. While they often manage to reproduce, in many cases repeatedly, their offspring have high mortality rates and are often also afflicted with the same condition.

It's one of those accidental mutations like cystic fibrosis that isn't lethal enough to just die out, so it just sort of lingers around making people gross and miserable.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-corporate-climbers-can-teach-us-1404862389
http://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/what-leaders-can-learn-from-narcissists-manipulators-and-psychopaths.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-barry-kaufman/bad-boys-dark-triad-dating_b_922878.html
http://organisationalproductivity.com/2015/02/16/the-dark-triad-what-can-we-learn-from-criminals-and-ceos/
http://www.smu.edu.sg/perspectives/2014/07/30/dark-triad-work

In closing, let me add that Appeals to consequences (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences) and to emotion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion) are invalid and most unbecoming
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2015, 03:42:02 am
ITT, Prelate Diogenes Shithead teaches Nigel about abnormal psych, using shitty links.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: ChaosAdvocate on September 19, 2015, 02:16:35 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

The embryo still has to be brought to term inside a human, you idiot.  :lulz:
It does not if you have a large container that simulates the conditions of a human host. I don't know why the scientific community are too retarded to think of this idea or alternate ways.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on September 19, 2015, 02:26:15 pm
Chlorine, it's just like a baby!

:potd:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on September 19, 2015, 03:03:24 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

The embryo still has to be brought to term inside a human, you idiot.  :lulz:
It does not if you have a large container that simulates the conditions of a human host. I don't know why the scientific community are too retarded to think of this idea or alternate ways.

Developing something like that takes money. Lots of it. Possibly in the millions or billions of dollars range.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cain on September 19, 2015, 04:04:27 pm
Deep space exploration is perfectly possible if you have enough energy to open up a wormhole.  I do not understanded why the scientific community are too retarded to consider this.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2015, 06:58:18 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

The embryo still has to be brought to term inside a human, you idiot.  :lulz:
It does not if you have a large container that simulates the conditions of a human host. I don't know why the scientific community are too retarded to think of this idea or alternate ways.

Is it possible that it's a little more complicated that it seems, and we have a perfectly reliable human-producing system right now?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2015, 06:59:14 pm
Deep space exploration is perfectly possible if you have enough energy to open up a wormhole.  I do not understanded why the scientific community are too retarded to consider this.

Curing cancer just means making the cells sit down and behave themselves.  I do not understanded why the scientific community are too retarded to consider this.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cain on September 19, 2015, 07:01:42 pm
Preventing people like ChaosAdvocate is perfectly possible if we simply stop babies eating paint chips.  I do not understand why the scientific community are too retarded to consider this.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2015, 08:19:22 pm
ITT, Prelate Diogenes Shithead teaches Nigel about abnormal psych, using shitty links.

I really appreciate his efforts to educate me, it's not like I just spent a year reading about clinical psychopathy while finishing a psychology degree, or anything.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2015, 08:21:06 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

The embryo still has to be brought to term inside a human, you idiot.  :lulz:
It does not if you have a large container that simulates the conditions of a human host. I don't know why the scientific community are too retarded to think of this idea or alternate ways.

You don't have to take the train if you have a teleportation portal that gets you where you want to go instantaneously. I don't know why the scientific community are too retarded to think of this idea or alternate ways.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2015, 08:21:54 pm
Preventing people like ChaosAdvocate is perfectly possible if we simply stop babies eating paint chips.  I do not understand why the scientific community are too retarded to consider this.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2015, 08:23:39 pm
I mean, not to even touch on the fact that you are essentially talking about forcing women to be pregnant with genetic chimera babies of unknown viability for cheap kicks, which is gross as fuck. No doubt you'd love to see compulsory breeding farms.

Fascist little shithead.
Ever heard of testubes?*

The embryo still has to be brought to term inside a human, you idiot.  :lulz:
It does not if you have a large container that simulates the conditions of a human host. I don't know why the scientific community are too retarded to think of this idea or alternate ways.

Is it possible that it's a little more complicated that it seems, and we have a perfectly reliable human-producing system right now?

Just because scientists have been working on it for decades doesn't mean they aren't too retarded to think of it. Nothing is too retarded if you're ChaosAdvocate.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 19, 2015, 10:31:40 pm
ITT, Prelate Diogenes Shithead teaches Nigel about abnormal psych, using shitty links.

I really appreciate his efforts to educate me, it's not like I just spent a year reading about clinical psychopathy while finishing a psychology degree, or anything.

But he has some popular science links.  Omni Magazine may be involved.  That's the same as fuckin' Johns Hopkins.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2015, 10:37:06 pm
ITT, Prelate Diogenes Shithead teaches Nigel about abnormal psych, using shitty links.

I really appreciate his efforts to educate me, it's not like I just spent a year reading about clinical psychopathy while finishing a psychology degree, or anything.

But he has some popular science links.  Omni Magazine may be involved.  That's the same as fuckin' Johns Hopkins.

I saw a Huffpo one there as well: Hard-hitting science journalism. He showed me.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2015, 10:55:18 pm
Also fascinating: That he apparently thinks that "selfish behavior" and "psychopathy" are the same thing. They aren't.
 
Despite the current popularity of speculation that high-powered Wall Street execs are more likely to be psychopaths, there is no supporting data for this claim, which originated as either a misquote or a flat-out confabulation of Dr. Robert Hare's research. He himself has debunked the citation on his own webpage http://www.hare.org/comments/comment2.html, and you can also read about it here: http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/03/06/untrue-1-out-of-every-10-wall-street-employees-is-a-psychopath/

Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on September 20, 2015, 03:25:22 am
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would see Robespierre as someone to look up to.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 20, 2015, 03:35:02 am
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would see Robespierre as someone to look up to.

Well, SOMEONE has to look up to people like that.  Those boots ain't gonna lick themselves.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2015, 03:37:25 am
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would see Robespierre as someone to look up to.

Hey now, Robspierre ran a country.  Have you ever run a country?  Thought so.

OK, maybe he didn't run it well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermidorian_Reaction), but it was his.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Meunster on September 20, 2015, 04:54:26 am
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would see Robespierre as someone to look up to.

Hey now, Robspierre ran a country.  Have you ever run a country? 

Do sea monkies count?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2015, 04:56:18 am
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would see Robespierre as someone to look up to.

Hey now, Robspierre ran a country.  Have you ever run a country? 

Do sea monkies count?

For a given amount of sea monkies, yes.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Meunster on September 20, 2015, 05:20:56 am
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would see Robespierre as someone to look up to.

Hey now, Robspierre ran a country.  Have you ever run a country? 

Do sea monkies count?

For a given amount of sea monkies, yes.

Who would win in a war, my ant farm, or my sea monkies?
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: LMNO on September 20, 2015, 01:56:49 pm
I think it would depend on who the invading army is.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: axod on September 20, 2015, 11:54:09 pm
PIL dependencies and 64 bit versions of scipy are crashing my neural nets.  Tragic.  Just tragic how they can't all get along.

Ed.
Problem solved with pillow instead :)
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: Meunster on September 21, 2015, 06:44:21 am
I think it would depend on who the invading army is.

The ants will invade on tiny boats gifted to them from god.
There will be straws going into the water in order to penatrate the under watter base of the monkies.
Title: Re: Advances in artificially made organisms
Post by: axod on September 21, 2015, 09:49:06 am
Taps were all there, xcept UCB's home brewed Caffe.  Even checked the Cellar dir.  Anaconda is not my "preferred" python.