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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Roly Poly Oly-Garch on October 23, 2012, 08:48:43 pm

Title: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Roly Poly Oly-Garch on October 23, 2012, 08:48:43 pm
Please someone tell me there's more to the story than that.

http://phys.org/news/2012-10-italy-quake-verdict-science-trial.html (http://phys.org/news/2012-10-italy-quake-verdict-science-trial.html)

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Seismologists said they were horrified after six of their colleagues were sentenced to six years in jail for manslaughter Monday on charges of underestimating the risk of an earthquake that struck Italy in 2009.

Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2012, 08:51:32 pm
Well, SOMEONE has to be held accountable.  SOMEONE has to be blamed when shit like this happens.  After all, it's hard to work up a good sense of moral outrage against a tectonic plate, right?  And outrage is what it's all about.
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2012, 01:28:21 am
Why are even the top-ranking comments on that article completely retarded?
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2012, 01:32:47 am
Slightly more detail in this article: http://www.nature.com/news/italian-court-finds-seismologists-guilty-of-manslaughter-1.11640
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2012, 01:36:19 am
On the topic of earthquakes, you might find this interesting, if not useful: http://www.pnsn.org/earthquakes/recent
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: LMNO on October 24, 2012, 01:15:42 pm
So from what I get out of this, a closed dorr meeting was held, the scientists gave an assessment (the specifics of which were not in the article), and then a government mouthpiece says, “the scientific community tells me there is no danger because there is an ongoing discharge of energy”. Which, and the article points this out, Most seismologists, including several of the indicted, consider this statement to be scientifically incorrect.

From what it sounds like (and this is only from the limited facts given), the mouthpiece got it wrong, and that's what caused the victims to stay in the city.  Which means it's his fault, not the scientists.

Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2012, 05:00:13 pm
So from what I get out of this, a closed dorr meeting was held, the scientists gave an assessment (the specifics of which were not in the article), and then a government mouthpiece says, “the scientific community tells me there is no danger because there is an ongoing discharge of energy”. Which, and the article points this out, Most seismologists, including several of the indicted, consider this statement to be scientifically incorrect.

From what it sounds like (and this is only from the limited facts given), the mouthpiece got it wrong, and that's what caused the victims to stay in the city.  Which means it's his fault, not the scientists.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got as well. It sounds like the seismologists basically said, accurately, that they couldn't predict an increased risk of earthquake because it's an area with many earthquakes already, and the government dude translated that to "Scientists say there's no risk".

When, of course, if you live on a fault, there's ALWAYS risk, and many small earthquakes don't necessarily precede a large one so it's hard to consider them warning signs. (Although a bunch of small earthquakes under a volcano may be a pretty accurate warning sign for eruption, that's quite different.)
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2012, 05:03:17 pm
Italy imprisoning scientists?

HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on October 24, 2012, 08:34:25 pm
My hope is that this will lead to a legal precedent by which weathermen can be held responsible for water damage when they fail to predict rain.
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2012, 09:36:13 pm
My hope is that this will lead to a legal precedent by which weathermen can be held responsible for water damage when they fail to predict rain.

Or, perhaps, mass executions when they fail to predict drought.

Hell, why not go whole-hog and make the study of science punishable by death, nip it in the bud before they have a chance to predict anything in case they get it wrong.
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 25, 2012, 06:52:02 am
One possible end result: "Science is for entertainment purposes only. Science is not responsible for any content or information that you receive or share through our agents."
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: LMNO on October 25, 2012, 01:36:15 pm
Whatever happened to, "WE REPORT.  YOU DECIDE."
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: Cain on October 25, 2012, 01:40:09 pm
This thread title bugs me.

"Italian Justice" is a blatant oxymoron.
Title: Re: Italian Justice - Shake, Rattle and Roll
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 25, 2012, 01:58:48 pm
This thread title bugs me.

"Italian Justice" is a blatant oxymoron.

No it's not, it's a euphemism for "decapitated horse"