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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 20, 2013, 09:34:20 pm

Title: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 20, 2013, 09:34:20 pm
http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2013/06/kickstarter-author-responds-manual-sexual-assault

I understand kickstarter's position on this... but I still hate PUA's
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 20, 2013, 09:35:59 pm
What's not to hate?  They are empty people.

Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 20, 2013, 09:38:41 pm
What's not to hate?  They are empty people.

Man I want to do an enthusiastic consent for idiots vid. That would be fun.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Half-Eaten Waffle on June 20, 2013, 09:40:00 pm
Horrible. The lot of them.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 20, 2013, 09:40:43 pm
What's not to hate?  They are empty people.

Man I want to do an enthusiastic consent for idiots vid. That would be fun.

Reading the article, even if a person behaved the way he says he told them to behave, ie, back off when told to stop, the very idea of the PUA is - again - commodifying people.

So even if viewed in the best possible light, they are shitnecks.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 20, 2013, 09:45:40 pm
What's not to hate?  They are empty people.

Man I want to do an enthusiastic consent for idiots vid. That would be fun.

Reading the article, even if a person behaved the way he says he told them to behave, ie, back off when told to stop, the very idea of the PUA is - again - commodifying people.

So even if viewed in the best possible light, they are shitnecks.

Yup. Women aren't alien creatures.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 20, 2013, 10:11:15 pm
The comments are fun.  :evil:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on June 20, 2013, 10:27:44 pm
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.

They don't necessarily want to objectify/commodify women, but they've been led to believe that women are all somehow so completely different from themselves that they can't approach them as fellow human beings. The narrative of how men and women are different is so vigorously beaten into us from a very young age that it sometimes takes some serious effort to de-program that bullshit.

Probably the first and foremost thing that needs to be explained to these kinds of guys is that framing sexual relationships as somehow inherently adversarial is kind of completely fucked up.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 20, 2013, 10:37:02 pm
And the delicious irony in all this horror is that the adversarial thing makes them sexually repulsive.  :lol:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Junkenstein on June 20, 2013, 10:44:25 pm
Seems very plausible. I've seen game theory applied in some very creepy ways as examples to illustrate social phenomena.

The adversarial thing is key. The relationships become zero-sum games very quickly, hence nasty divorces, affairs and other issues. Something something charile sheen shouting winning is somehow related to this too. I'm tired, will rant about this tomorrow when thinking straight.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on June 20, 2013, 11:30:12 pm
And the delicious irony in all this horror is that the adversarial thing makes them sexually repulsive.  :lol:

Reminds me of the xkcd comic that took a hearty stab at PUA: http://xkcd.com/1027/

Apparently a pretty massive shitstorm blew up around this one, although I don't have a good example to link to.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cain on June 20, 2013, 11:42:55 pm
I remember witnessing that shitstorm in real time

http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=81485&hilit=Pickup+Artist
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 20, 2013, 11:47:18 pm
I remember witnessing that shitstorm in real time

http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=81485&hilit=Pickup+Artist

that thread was GLORIOUS!

teh PUA's got SO bent out of shape with that one. Apparently threads like that get shut down pretty quickly.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on June 20, 2013, 11:49:07 pm
I remember witnessing that shitstorm in real time

http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=81485&hilit=Pickup+Artist

Woo-hoohoo! :lulz: One of the finer moments in the Internet's recent meltdown history.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 20, 2013, 11:50:00 pm
I'd be up for trolling PUA's.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Left on June 20, 2013, 11:56:54 pm
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.
That's a pretty charitable way to look at it.

I've never heard the term "negging."  That's nasty shit.

...What these guys do is disgusting.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 20, 2013, 11:59:05 pm
actually PUA tactics and how they tie into rape culture got a pretty extensive outing here.

Blackfoot got butthurt and left after MANY of us called him creepy.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Junkenstein on June 21, 2013, 12:01:39 am
If you're not that familar with PUA's, you're in for a real treat.

Download a copy of "The Game" by Neil Strauss. That's practically the bible for most internet pua's. I'm betting 2 pages till you notice your face has contorted to "What the fuck" and within a chapter you will have thrown it down at least once in disgust.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on June 21, 2013, 12:27:50 am
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.
That's a pretty charitable way to look at it.

I've never heard the term "negging."  That's nasty shit.

...What these guys do is disgusting.

I put it charitably because a lot of these dudes really don't think they're hurting anybody, and are greatly offended when accused of reinforcing rape culture and misogyny. That doesn't change the reality that PUA "techniques" and mentality are completely deplorable and disgusting, but a lot of these dudes are mostly just suckers (the creeps who write those books gotta make their money off of somebody, after all).

They'd meet a nice girl the proper, human way if they weren't hoodwinked into believing that it's a battle between cockshy vaginas and "Nice Guys."

It's sort of like... trying to tell someone who thinks that they've found a convenient shortcut that they are actually walking on puppies. Some dickface told them that the sign telling people not to take this shortcut is actually just a ploy to keep them from their destination, and they never bothered to look down at their feet. If you scream at them, they'll just get mad and keep stepping on puppies until they get what they want. You have to actually convince them to look at their feet and see what a bloody mess they're making.

Also, I've been drinking. Take this analogy with exactly 100 grains of salt.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 21, 2013, 12:52:42 am
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.
That's a pretty charitable way to look at it.

I've never heard the term "negging."  That's nasty shit.

...What these guys do is disgusting.

They have schools for PUAs, hylie. Pricey schools.
And women who act as plants and let themselves be "picked up". It's all a racket.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on June 21, 2013, 02:47:11 am
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.
That's a pretty charitable way to look at it.

I've never heard the term "negging."  That's nasty shit.

...What these guys do is disgusting.

They have schools for PUAs, hylie. Pricey schools.
And women who act as plants and let themselves be "picked up". It's all a racket.  :horrormirth:

Oh god I forgot that those things existed :vom:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Left on June 21, 2013, 02:52:16 am
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.
That's a pretty charitable way to look at it.

I've never heard the term "negging."  That's nasty shit.

...What these guys do is disgusting.

They have schools for PUAs, hylie. Pricey schools.
And women who act as plants and let themselves be "picked up". It's all a racket.  :horrormirth:
Schools to teach you how to act like a misogynistic sociopath...
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Bu☆ns on June 21, 2013, 03:47:49 am
It's really no different than any other self-help scheme.  It's probably even effective in the sense that it boosts the poor dupe's confidence and, instead of realizing he's being more confident (and thus attractive), he attributes his success to the techniques.  That and confirmation bias. 

The sad part is he's never actually gets deep into his own self-awareness to make effective changes...and remains on the superficial level.  I think that xkcd comic is pretty accurate.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 21, 2013, 05:10:26 am

"Let's mimic behaviour and practices, of succesful and confident people, and hope for the best!"
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Golden Applesauce on June 21, 2013, 05:33:48 am
If someone was accusing me of not taking consent seriously, I don't think I'd reach for this quote to defend myself:

Quote
If at any point a girl wants you to stop, she will let you know. If she says "STOP," or "GET AWAY FROM ME," or shoves you away, you know she is not interested. It happens. Stop escalating immediately and say this line:

"No problem. I don't want you to do anything you aren't comfortable with."

Memorize that line. It is your go-to when faced with resistance. Say it genuinely, without presumption. All master seducers are also masters at making women feel comfortable. You'll be no different. If a woman isn't comfortable, take a break and try again later.

So a "no" isn't good enough, they have to scream or push you away, and even that just rates a "try again later." What are women supposed to do when they're not interested? Defenestrate the guy?
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 21, 2013, 06:04:54 am
If someone was accusing me of not taking consent seriously, I don't think I'd reach for this quote to defend myself:

Quote
If at any point a girl wants you to stop, she will let you know. If she says "STOP," or "GET AWAY FROM ME," or shoves you away, you know she is not interested. It happens. Stop escalating immediately and say this line:

"No problem. I don't want you to do anything you aren't comfortable with."

Memorize that line. It is your go-to when faced with resistance. Say it genuinely, without presumption. All master seducers are also masters at making women feel comfortable. You'll be no different. If a woman isn't comfortable, take a break and try again later.

So a "no" isn't good enough, they have to scream or push you away, and even that just rates a "try again later." What are women supposed to do when they're not interested? Defenestrate the guy?

But G.A., you are under a very big assumption that women can make rational decisions beyond the whim of the moment, when our field expertise shows that if a girl rejects you, its because your seduction technique and approach wasn't properly executed - women don't have memories beyond that of a goldfish, so we can approach her as tabla rasa after a given ammount of time and try to execute our seduction technique correctly this time.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Left on June 21, 2013, 06:10:23 am
What are women supposed to do when they're not interested? Defenestrate the guy?

Sounds reasonable. :evil:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cain on June 21, 2013, 10:01:21 am
If someone was accusing me of not taking consent seriously, I don't think I'd reach for this quote to defend myself:

Quote
If at any point a girl wants you to stop, she will let you know. If she says "STOP," or "GET AWAY FROM ME," or shoves you away, you know she is not interested. It happens. Stop escalating immediately and say this line:

"No problem. I don't want you to do anything you aren't comfortable with."

Memorize that line. It is your go-to when faced with resistance. Say it genuinely, without presumption. All master seducers are also masters at making women feel comfortable. You'll be no different. If a woman isn't comfortable, take a break and try again later.

So a "no" isn't good enough, they have to scream or push you away, and even that just rates a "try again later." What are women supposed to do when they're not interested? Defenestrate the guy?

But G.A., you are under a very big assumption that women can make rational decisions beyond the whim of the moment, when our field expertise shows that if a girl rejects you, its because your seduction technique and approach wasn't properly executed - women don't have memories beyond that of a goldfish, so we can approach her as tabla rasa after a given ammount of time and try to execute our seduction technique correctly this time.

You "didn't display high enough value".
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 22, 2013, 08:46:01 am
http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/we-were-wrong

PUA guides are now verboten on kickstarter.

:D
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 22, 2013, 03:55:40 pm
I'd be up for trolling PUA's.

They're hard to troll because they're even worse obsessive control freaks than Pagans, and if they even get a HINT that you might be a woman, or a man who has woman friends, they'll IP ban you in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 22, 2013, 04:41:26 pm
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.
That's a pretty charitable way to look at it.

I've never heard the term "negging."  That's nasty shit.

...What these guys do is disgusting.

Before I ever heard of PUA, I remember guys trying these techniques on me and just being confused... WTF? Why is this guy being such a freak? In some cases, they were guys I might have been interested in if they hadn't been acting so fucking weird.

After I learned about the PUA scene and understood what was going on, my thought process was, this probably works on a certain percentage of women. What kind of women would it work on? Probably really insecure women with low self-esteem who come from family backgrounds that were emotionally abusive, if not physically abusive, and therefore on a fundamental and unconscious level don't believe that they are deserving of interactions that are more whole, or interactions that don't pluck at their sense of inadequacy.

And then I was sad, both for those women and for the men who fall for PUA and really don't know that all they are doing is furthering their own social dysfunction and eventual inevitable emotional pain by engaging in dysfunctional relationships with seriously damaged women.

Sure, there are some helpful messages about getting out there and meeting people, but they are inadequate shadows of the help these men could be getting through a good therapist or even a book such as the one by Horney that someone mentioned in the xkcd thread.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 22, 2013, 07:34:48 pm
I forget who it was, but a while back someone here posted a plausible explanation as to why so many dudes get sucked into the PUA garbage. Something about how re-framing sexual relationships as a "game" with "rules" and "strategies" makes it more digestible for the kind of shy, awkward nerds who really just want a girlfriend but have no idea how to get one.
That's a pretty charitable way to look at it.

I've never heard the term "negging."  That's nasty shit.

...What these guys do is disgusting.

Before I ever heard of PUA, I remember guys trying these techniques on me and just being confused... WTF? Why is this guy being such a freak? In some cases, they were guys I might have been interested in if they hadn't been acting so fucking weird.

After I learned about the PUA scene and understood what was going on, my thought process was, this probably works on a certain percentage of women. What kind of women would it work on? Probably really insecure women with low self-esteem who come from family backgrounds that were emotionally abusive, if not physically abusive, and therefore on a fundamental and unconscious level don't believe that they are deserving of interactions that are more whole, or interactions that don't pluck at their sense of inadequacy.

And then I was sad, both for those women and for the men who fall for PUA and really don't know that all they are doing is furthering their own social dysfunction and eventual inevitable emotional pain by engaging in dysfunctional relationships with seriously damaged women.

Sure, there are some helpful messages about getting out there and meeting people, but they are inadequate shadows of the help these men could be getting through a good therapist or even a book such as the one by Horney that someone mentioned in the xkcd thread.

Not to mention preying on women who are vulnerable because people fucked them up.

I do think of them as predators.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 22, 2013, 07:42:05 pm
I do think of them as predators.

Ditto. Predator ranging from derpy to destructive depending on the PUA in question. Some of these guys make me laugh until I cry with their attempts, though.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 22, 2013, 08:05:55 pm
This thread is getting a lot of hits from random guests. :P
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 22, 2013, 08:51:53 pm
This thread is getting a lot of hits from random guests. :P

PUA googlers?

GOOD.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 22, 2013, 09:46:03 pm
OHAI LURKERS!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 22, 2013, 11:29:34 pm
Careful, don't neg...they'll think you WANT them.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 22, 2013, 11:38:37 pm
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 23, 2013, 12:26:15 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

WOWWWWWWWWW
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 12:32:15 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

WOWWWWWWWWW

That right there is special. I want you to know I'm rating you all right now. On a ladder.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 23, 2013, 12:38:58 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

WOWWWWWWWWW

That right there is special. I want you to know I'm rating you all right now. On a ladder.

BUT WHICH LADDER?
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 12:42:01 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

WOWWWWWWWWW

That right there is special. I want you to know I'm rating you all right now. On a ladder.

BUT WHICH LADDER?

The man's ladder. :P
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 12:45:18 am
Remember men, women will value your intelligence and sense of humor but they'd always rather fuck an unemployed alcoholic or an outlaw biker. Consider a career in crime.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 23, 2013, 12:58:46 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

WOWWWWWWWWW

That right there is special. I want you to know I'm rating you all right now. On a ladder.

*simulates "alpha male" patterns of behaviour to pique your interest, then dissapear for a week to keep you intrigued*
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 23, 2013, 01:00:38 am
TBH i lurked there for like 6 months, so i kinda know more than i should, never quite bought it do.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 01:02:09 am
Imma put everyone on the friend ladder but not tell any of you. And then when you try to fuck me I will drop you into the abyss.

BWUAHAHAHAHAHA.


 :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 01:04:09 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

WOWWWWWWWWW

That right there is special. I want you to know I'm rating you all right now. On a ladder.

*simulates "alpha male" patterns of behaviour to pique your interest, then dissapear for a week to keep you intrigued*

My squirrel-like attention span combined with having a vagina means I'd forget entirely about you and disappear into the nearest outlaw biker bar, never to emerge. THAT WILL TEACH YOU!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 23, 2013, 01:09:50 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

WOWWWWWWWWW

That right there is special. I want you to know I'm rating you all right now. On a ladder.

BUT WHICH LADDER?

The man's ladder. :P

 :lulz:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Left on June 23, 2013, 01:30:39 am
Imma put everyone on the friend ladder but not tell any of you. And then when you try to fuck me I will drop you into the abyss.

BWUAHAHAHAHAHA.


 :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:

DAMMIT!  :cry:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 23, 2013, 01:42:14 am
http://www.laddertheory.com/ (http://www.laddertheory.com/)

 :hosrie:

Not sure if worth the analysis or just let it be, oh woe!

Quote
Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man

Goes a long way towards explaining why creepers don't give a fuck when we say "GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY FACE BEFORE I PUT THIS CHAIR UPSIDE YOUR HEAD/CALL THE COPS."

We're telling them they're TREATING us wrong.

And they think it means MO MONEY.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 23, 2013, 01:44:27 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 01:45:39 am
Imma put everyone on the friend ladder but not tell any of you. And then when you try to fuck me I will drop you into the abyss.

BWUAHAHAHAHAHA.


 :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:

DAMMIT!  :cry:

I'm sorry, hylie, I just don't think of you that way. You're a great big cuddly teddy bear and I feel like I can tell you anything, but I think we should just be friends. Excuse me, I think that's a homeless alcoholic picking food out of the trash and drinking from a papersack. I've got to go bang him like a screen door in a hurricane. See you tonight at my place for a FRIENDS marathon? Laters!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 01:47:47 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 23, 2013, 01:50:50 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?

Don't get me started on all the recent "friend-zone" frame of thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 23, 2013, 05:02:47 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?

I'm sorry, CPD, I think we should just be friends...

And I'm SO stealing that bit about banging a homeless wino like a screen door in a hurricane.  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 23, 2013, 05:14:08 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?

I'm sorry, CPD, I think we should just be friends...

And I'm SO stealing that bit about banging a homeless wino like a screen door in a hurricane.  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

IS THAT HOW YOU GONNA BE, BEYOTCH? HUH? HUH? STEAL MY BEST SHIT AND THEN FRIENDZONE ME?!?!

WELL GUESS WHAT, TOOTS! YOU AIN'T THAT HOT! YOU WAY BELOW JOHNNY ON THE LADDER! HOW YOU LIKE THAT? YEAH I THOUGHT SO!!

. . . I might be having too much fun with this.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 23, 2013, 05:23:05 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?

I'm sorry, CPD, I think we should just be friends...

And I'm SO stealing that bit about banging a homeless wino like a screen door in a hurricane.  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

IS THAT HOW YOU GONNA BE, BEYOTCH? HUH? HUH? STEAL MY BEST SHIT AND THEN FRIENDZONE ME?!?!

WELL GUESS WHAT, TOOTS! YOU AIN'T THAT HOT! YOU WAY BELOW JOHNNY ON THE LADDER! HOW YOU LIKE THAT? YEAH I THOUGHT SO!!

. . . I might be having too much fun with this.

See baby, i knew you going to those bikers was just a grudge, everyone comes back eventually, EVERYONE.

:pukeypukelol:
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 23, 2013, 07:08:22 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?

Don't get me started on all the recent "friend-zone" frame of thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!

YES

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

That "Friend-Zone" TOTAL BULLSHIT irritates the fuck out of me.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 23, 2013, 07:52:54 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?

Don't get me started on all the recent "friend-zone" frame of thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!

YES

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

That "Friend-Zone" TOTAL BULLSHIT irritates the fuck out of me.

well, might as well (LOL):

withou getting into why i have more female friends than male...

look, first of all, one should only establish relationships with peers that are similar, are symphatetic in any which form or have a certain synergy, be it friends, lovers or whatever... otherwise you are simply a vulture (yes, i know my fucking favourite word of use in this forum, so be it) that is out to leech out of your rich "friend" or trying to fuck your hot "friend" or whichever benefit you can prey upon... notice the difference: a type of allegiance or kinship vs. treating people sociopathically as objects and means for your little black heart of putridness

second, look at yourself in the mirror, no, love isnt blind, and to love another you must love yourself first, and if you dont love yourself, chances are you are unhealthy and lack of health can make you unnatractive... i do have personal expectations and taste, but i try to not let it be my core directive, and try to make my decisions based on other qualities.

so please, if you get "friendzoned", perhaps they are way out of your league and you need to take care of yourself more, perhaps its also that. you guys dont really have all that much in common, perhaps your particular appearance might not fit their preferences

the easy and most comftable explanation is that you didnt "play the right moves" or "she only dates assholes", or whatever convinient rationalization you can come up with, but the harsh reality is that you wouldnt be alone if you werent an passive agressive anal "chess master", superficial objectifying vulture that neurotically ratonalizes bullshit instead of investing time in its own health

act humanely and treat others humanely, that should help
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 23, 2013, 07:56:51 am
I need to apply ladder theory like the barstool theory.

physically.

to the nads.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 23, 2013, 08:06:45 am
How do they translate "You fucking disgust me"? "Try harder"?  :x :x :x

Anything that isn't yes means "Insert another quarter." Women are slot machines. Men are little old ladies glued to sparkly machines, just waiting for one of us to squirt out a pile of nickels. Don't be a hater, stelz. It lowers your rank on my ladder. Don't you want some of this sweet, sweet lovin'?

Don't get me started on all the recent "friend-zone" frame of thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!

YES

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

That "Friend-Zone" TOTAL BULLSHIT irritates the fuck out of me.

well, might as well (LOL):

withou getting into why i have more female friends than male...

look, first of all, one should only establish relationships with peers that are similar, are symphatetic in any which form or have a certain synergy, be it friends, lovers or whatever... otherwise you are simply a vulture (yes, i know my fucking favourite word of use in this forum, so be it) that is out to leech out of your rich "friend" or trying to fuck your hot "friend" or whichever benefit you can prey upon... notice the difference: a type of allegiance or kinship vs. treating people sociopathically as objects and means for your little black heart of putridness

second, look at yourself in the mirror, no, love isnt blind, and to love another you must love yourself first, and if you dont love yourself, chances are you are unhealthy and lack of health can make you unnatractive... i do have personal expectations and taste, but i try to not let it be my core directive, and try to make my decisions based on other qualities.

so please, if you get "friendzoned", perhaps they are way out of your league and you need to take care of yourself more, perhaps its also that. you guys dont really have all that much in common, perhaps your particular appearance might not fit their preferences

the easy and most comftable explanation is that you didnt "play the right moves" or "she only dates assholes", or whatever convinient rationalization you can come up with, but the harsh reality is that you wouldnt be alone if you werent an passive agressive anal "chess master", superficial objectifying vulture that neurotically ratonalizes bullshit instead of investing time in its own health

act humanely and treat others humanely, that should help


YES YES YES

I agree wholeheartedly with all of this. ESPECIALLY THE LAST LINE.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 23, 2013, 08:29:38 am
another thing to note... "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar"... if you DO insist in objectyfying people, dont be shocked that the same standards are applied to yourself, so you gotta go kill youself in the gym...

related: assholes dont get girls due to being assholes, they get girls because they probably are hot and can get away with being assholes... in other words, it might be a recurrent variable, but that does not make it the causation
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 23, 2013, 01:28:21 pm
Weird porn on the internet anecdote:

So, when my man's away it's weird internet porn time. Don't fucking judge me, I've got tentacles for a face. Anyway, since I get bored super fast with videos of disinterested people slapping their meat together, I started looking at some of the various flash based porn games running around the internet, and one particular variety speaks deeply to the problem thinking of "no = try again."

Some games will have you meet a bunch of girls and try to worm your way into their pants (the protagonist is invariably male, because the porn industry is idiots). You have a range of things you can say, then options for clicking on body parts or what-have-you, and the girl is either super enthusiastic or admonishes you for getting it wrong. And then lets you choose the right option. Even though you just said something horribly offensive. Or touched her in a way that she was not cool with. Because, you see, women are goldfish.

Worse are the ones that are "difficult" where you only get one chance to get things right and then the option to do things with that character is gone forever. Not because it's less realistic, that's much more like how real people act. No, the problem is that you don't really understand what it is the game wants from you because it's super opaque and you find yourself frustrated staring at the screen thinking "WHERE IS THE BUTTON TO HAVE SEX WITH THIS GIRL?" And then you realize they've tricked you into thinking that you have a right to a vagina, and you have to go take a long shower and think about the mistakes you've made in life.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 23, 2013, 04:52:01 pm
another thing to note... "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar"... if you DO insist in objectyfying people, dont be shocked that the same standards are applied to yourself, so you gotta go kill youself in the gym...

related: assholes dont get girls due to being assholes, they get girls because they probably are hot and can get away with being assholes... in other words, it might be a recurrent variable, but that does not make it the causation

Also, girls can be assholes too. Sometimes assholes like assholes.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 23, 2013, 04:53:44 pm
No, the problem is that you don't really understand what it is the game wants from you because it's super opaque and you find yourself frustrated staring at the screen thinking "WHERE IS THE BUTTON TO HAVE SEX WITH THIS GIRL?" And then you realize they've tricked you into thinking that you have a right to a vagina, and you have to go take a long shower and think about the mistakes you've made in life.

And this sums up how PUAs think about women, but IN REAL LIFE.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 23, 2013, 05:05:44 pm
Weird porn on the internet anecdote:

So, when my man's away it's weird internet porn time. Don't fucking judge me, I've got tentacles for a face. Anyway, since I get bored super fast with videos of disinterested people slapping their meat together, I started looking at some of the various flash based porn games running around the internet, and one particular variety speaks deeply to the problem thinking of "no = try again."

Some games will have you meet a bunch of girls and try to worm your way into their pants (the protagonist is invariably male, because the porn industry is idiots). You have a range of things you can say, then options for clicking on body parts or what-have-you, and the girl is either super enthusiastic or admonishes you for getting it wrong. And then lets you choose the right option. Even though you just said something horribly offensive. Or touched her in a way that she was not cool with. Because, you see, women are goldfish.

Worse are the ones that are "difficult" where you only get one chance to get things right and then the option to do things with that character is gone forever. Not because it's less realistic, that's much more like how real people act. No, the problem is that you don't really understand what it is the game wants from you because it's super opaque and you find yourself frustrated staring at the screen thinking "WHERE IS THE BUTTON TO HAVE SEX WITH THIS GIRL?" And then you realize they've tricked you into thinking that you have a right to a vagina, and you have to go take a long shower and think about the mistakes you've made in life.

OH GOD GOGIRA I FUCKING LOVE THIS POST!

i WANT TO X-POST IT OVER ALL THE THINGS.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 25, 2013, 01:27:21 pm
Do anything you like with it, just don't give me attribution  :)
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pergamos on June 25, 2013, 08:19:43 pm
Friendzone is such a weird concept.  I know men and women do think differently in some respects, I haven't really figured out what those respects are, because the ones where people claim we think differently I tend to find we don't.  There is a giant pile of movies about a woman falling in love with her best friend, it is one of the most prominent plots in romantic comedies and other chick flicks.  I know sex can fuck up a friendship, but I don't know anyone who isn't willing to take that risk if he or she actually wants to have sex with the person in the first place, especcially if he or she wants to have sex with the person fairly badly. 

I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 25, 2013, 08:20:53 pm
I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

This is often the case.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pergamos on June 25, 2013, 08:23:25 pm
I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

This is often the case.

I'm not sure why we are all friends with him, i think maybe because there is some decentness there and we hope that by continually mocking (and occasionally confronting) him he will eventually grow out of it.  So far we have not been successful.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 25, 2013, 08:25:45 pm

I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

soooo friendly!!!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Junkenstein on June 25, 2013, 08:27:19 pm

I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

soooo friendly!!!

This man does not sound like a friend worth having.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Cain on June 25, 2013, 08:31:15 pm
People who self-describe as nice guys are universally shitbags. 

That's why people who are actually nice do not go around calling themselves "nice guys".
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Left on June 25, 2013, 08:58:32 pm
He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.
:eek:


Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 25, 2013, 08:59:56 pm
I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

This is often the case.

I'm not sure why we are all friends with him, i think maybe because there is some decentness there and we hope that by continually mocking (and occasionally confronting) him he will eventually grow out of it.  So far we have not been successful.

DTMFA!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 25, 2013, 09:02:49 pm
He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.
:eek:

For srs, Pergamos, ditch this guy like a hot potato and tell him WHY. Unless you want to feel like a fucking prison officer all the time.

Protip- men and women dont think differently. different people think differently. this is where your line of thinking is going wrong.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 25, 2013, 09:44:04 pm
Protip- men and women dont think differently.

I disagree entirely.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: The Johnny on June 25, 2013, 10:00:25 pm
He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.
:eek:

For srs, Pergamos, ditch this guy like a hot potato and tell him WHY. Unless you want to feel like a fucking prison officer all the time.

Protip- men and women dont think differently. different people think differently. this is where your line of thinking is going wrong.

But Pix! Deep down he's a really nice person! We can make him change through our endless stream of love and codependence understanding!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Left on June 26, 2013, 12:05:47 am
Protip- men and women dont think differently.

I disagree entirely.

 :golfclap:
Well-played, sir.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 12:09:06 am
Protip- men and women dont think differently.

I disagree entirely.

 :golfclap:
Well-played, sir.

Well, yeah, except that I was being 169% serious, and the only evidence I need offer is the POSTS MADE BY PIXIE (and others) HERSELF.

Something about guys always wanting to fix shit when women vent to them, etc.  That is correct, but you can't have it both ways, and a politically-motivated statement is NOT a statement of fact, it's a politically-motivated statement.

So saying that men and women don't think differently is Goddamn ridiculous.  Just saying.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Left on June 26, 2013, 01:05:00 am
Protip- men and women dont think differently.

I disagree entirely.

 :golfclap:
Well-played, sir.

Well, yeah, except that I was being 169% serious, and the only evidence I need offer is the POSTS MADE BY PIXIE (and others) HERSELF.

Something about guys always wanting to fix shit when women vent to them, etc.  That is correct, but you can't have it both ways, and a politically-motivated statement is NOT a statement of fact, it's a politically-motivated statement.

So saying that men and women don't think differently is Goddamn ridiculous.  Just saying.

We've been acculturated differently, we have different hormones, we have variances in brain structure.
So it's different, yeah. 

Probably not as different as my ex-wife and I, but different, and (unlike her) in predictable ways.
Therefore we can find common points where men and women's variances often cause friction.
However, individual variations probably outweigh gender variations.

Pix said: Different people think differently. 

@Pergamos: that guy has serious screws loose.  I might could guess what they are, but he ain't dealin' with it, until he does he's not a safe person to have around, methinks.

Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 26, 2013, 01:38:08 am
Protip- men and women dont think differently.

I disagree entirely.

 :golfclap:
Well-played, sir.

Well, yeah, except that I was being 169% serious, and the only evidence I need offer is the POSTS MADE BY PIXIE (and others) HERSELF.

Something about guys always wanting to fix shit when women vent to them, etc.  That is correct, but you can't have it both ways, and a politically-motivated statement is NOT a statement of fact, it's a politically-motivated statement.

So saying that men and women don't think differently is Goddamn ridiculous.  Just saying.

We've been acculturated differently, we have different hormones, we have variances in brain structure.
So it's different, yeah. 

Probably not as different as my ex-wife and I, but different, and (unlike her) in predictable ways.
Therefore we can find common points where men and women's variances often cause friction.
However, individual variations probably outweigh gender variations.*

Pix said: Different people think differently. 

@Pergamos: that guy has serious screws loose.  I might could guess what they are, but he ain't dealin' with it, until he does he's not a safe person to have around, methinks.

right. bolded part- emphasis mine. Pergamos is making a broad generalisation that does not hold water over everyone.

the broad generalisations that all XY people do this and all XX people do that because hardwired biological determinism without social factors playing a part is utter bullshit.  http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2011/is-female-brain-innately-inferior. There are, and will always be outliers in variation of that and actually our brains are more similar than different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYpDU040yzc


male and female brains are structurally different but brains develop like muscles and the parts that get fostered  due to how we are raised and the play we engage in as kids which comes back to culture influencing brains.

When I had my dyslexia test waay back when, the type of dyslexia I have is more common in dudes. As a kid I had no interest in dolls and prams and barbies. I liked lego and cars, he-man and thundercats action figures and read Haynes manuals (DIY mechanic guides for cars) and hated Grease (the movie). I like to fix more than vent. I like to vent, sure, but that's part of the process to fix shit for me, to figure out a solution.

if you make the assumption that all XY people are the same and all XX people are the same and the two are utterly different you are going to overestimate the differences and fuck up in dealings with other people. and you leave out all the XYY, XXY, XXX, X and fun chromosonal variables.

also look up stereotype threat.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 02:10:16 am
and hated Grease (the movie).

You are clearly some sort of barbarian.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 26, 2013, 02:23:11 am
People who self-describe as nice guys are universally shitbags. 

That's why people who are actually nice do not go around calling themselves "nice guys".

Dingdingdingding!
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pergamos on June 26, 2013, 07:30:55 am
I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

This is often the case.

I'm not sure why we are all friends with him, i think maybe because there is some decentness there and we hope that by continually mocking (and occasionally confronting) him he will eventually grow out of it.  So far we have not been successful.

DTMFA!

what's that stand for?
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 26, 2013, 10:01:42 am
I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

This is often the case.

I'm not sure why we are all friends with him, i think maybe because there is some decentness there and we hope that by continually mocking (and occasionally confronting) him he will eventually grow out of it.  So far we have not been successful.

DTMFA!

what's that stand for?

dump the motherfucker already
and hated Grease (the movie).

You are clearly some sort of barbarian.

ok I didn't totally hate the movie. I hated how every girl in my street insisted on watching it every time we watched a movie. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

that and Dirty Dancing. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN WE WATCH LABYRINTH <---- that was me. 
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pæs on June 26, 2013, 11:05:31 am
Weird porn on the internet anecdote:

So, when my man's away it's weird internet porn time. Don't fucking judge me, I've got tentacles for a face. Anyway, since I get bored super fast with videos of disinterested people slapping their meat together, I started looking at some of the various flash based porn games running around the internet, and one particular variety speaks deeply to the problem thinking of "no = try again."

Some games will have you meet a bunch of girls and try to worm your way into their pants (the protagonist is invariably male, because the porn industry is idiots). You have a range of things you can say, then options for clicking on body parts or what-have-you, and the girl is either super enthusiastic or admonishes you for getting it wrong. And then lets you choose the right option. Even though you just said something horribly offensive. Or touched her in a way that she was not cool with. Because, you see, women are goldfish.

Worse are the ones that are "difficult" where you only get one chance to get things right and then the option to do things with that character is gone forever. Not because it's less realistic, that's much more like how real people act. No, the problem is that you don't really understand what it is the game wants from you because it's super opaque and you find yourself frustrated staring at the screen thinking "WHERE IS THE BUTTON TO HAVE SEX WITH THIS GIRL?" And then you realize they've tricked you into thinking that you have a right to a vagina, and you have to go take a long shower and think about the mistakes you've made in life.

OH GOD GOGIRA I FUCKING LOVE THIS POST!

i WANT TO X-POST IT OVER ALL THE THINGS.

I am going to develop a dating sim now in which no matter which option the player chooses, the protagonist is immediately rejected and the game fades to black because the protagonist respects the woman's decisions and goes away.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 26, 2013, 11:16:11 am
Weird porn on the internet anecdote:

So, when my man's away it's weird internet porn time. Don't fucking judge me, I've got tentacles for a face. Anyway, since I get bored super fast with videos of disinterested people slapping their meat together, I started looking at some of the various flash based porn games running around the internet, and one particular variety speaks deeply to the problem thinking of "no = try again."

Some games will have you meet a bunch of girls and try to worm your way into their pants (the protagonist is invariably male, because the porn industry is idiots). You have a range of things you can say, then options for clicking on body parts or what-have-you, and the girl is either super enthusiastic or admonishes you for getting it wrong. And then lets you choose the right option. Even though you just said something horribly offensive. Or touched her in a way that she was not cool with. Because, you see, women are goldfish.

Worse are the ones that are "difficult" where you only get one chance to get things right and then the option to do things with that character is gone forever. Not because it's less realistic, that's much more like how real people act. No, the problem is that you don't really understand what it is the game wants from you because it's super opaque and you find yourself frustrated staring at the screen thinking "WHERE IS THE BUTTON TO HAVE SEX WITH THIS GIRL?" And then you realize they've tricked you into thinking that you have a right to a vagina, and you have to go take a long shower and think about the mistakes you've made in life.

OH GOD GOGIRA I FUCKING LOVE THIS POST!

i WANT TO X-POST IT OVER ALL THE THINGS.

I am going to develop a dating sim now in which no matter which option the player chooses, the protagonist is immediately rejected and the game fades to black because the protagonist respects the woman's decisions and goes away.

<3
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Sita on June 26, 2013, 03:26:17 pm
I have a friend who is one of those "nice guys" who gets put in the "friendzone"  He's not really a nice guy.  He tries to guilt female friends into sex, he doesn't bother to keep himself clean or to lose any weight (and he weighs a LOT) and he tried to rape one of our mutual (male) friends in his sleep.

This is often the case.

I'm not sure why we are all friends with him, i think maybe because there is some decentness there and we hope that by continually mocking (and occasionally confronting) him he will eventually grow out of it.  So far we have not been successful.

DTMFA!

what's that stand for?

dump the motherfucker already
and hated Grease (the movie).

You are clearly some sort of barbarian.

ok I didn't totally hate the movie. I hated how every girl in my street insisted on watching it every time we watched a movie. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

that and Dirty Dancing. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN WE WATCH LABYRINTH <---- that was me.
I would choose Labyrinth over Dirty Dancing any day <3
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 04:27:30 pm
Dirty Dancing was sort of a study on how to NOT write, direct, or act.

Grease, on the other hand, is a driblet of Americana, it's sort of the video postcard of what America likes to think of itself as being.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on June 26, 2013, 06:23:22 pm
Dirty Dancing was sort of a study on how to NOT write, direct, or act.

Grease, on the other hand, is a driblet of Americana, it's sort of the video postcard of what America likes to think of itself as being.

Yeah, but IRL they EAT ALL THE GREASE.

Kind of throws the dance numbers off.
Title: Re: I fucking HAET PUA's
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 26, 2013, 06:26:00 pm
Dirty Dancing was sort of a study on how to NOT write, direct, or act.

Grease, on the other hand, is a driblet of Americana, it's sort of the video postcard of what America likes to think of itself as being.

Yeah, but IRL they EAT ALL THE GREASE.

Kind of throws the dance numbers off.
:lulz: