you are conflating Freedom with Wisdom. Children are generally Free as a default state.
Funny you say that, I was tempted to say you were conflating freedom with heroism/naivety. :)
In my pretty extensive experience of children (who are, indeed, paragons of freedom until the age of about 3-4), I found that while they are hard little bastards who stick up for themselves like there's no tomorrow, they know full well when to shut up and put up. And are largely not suicidal.
Your experiences have been wildly different from mine.
In what way?
The shutting up and not suicidal.
Holist, essay on the kid here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35784.0.html
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.
Are you entirely serious?
Depends what you mean. What did I do there?
Depends what you mean. What did I do there?
Other than imply that she has no idea how to raise kids?
Nothing. Nothing at all.
Even if you didn't intend it holist, your line of questioning is hitting the mommy shaming buttons.
You can't make a kid become a force of nature, it's how they are. Some kids are sheer elemental awesomeness, some are really sensitive, and some, like The Little Man, are concentrated little balls of FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY. They're all born square pegs.
Can I get a thread split on the bad mommy?
That said, I am finding it generally very difficult to square your description of the Little Man with what I know about basic decency towards kids and its effects. I'm in no way interested in shaming anyone who is aware that they are doing less than perfectly with their kids and struggle to improve. Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers, yes. I don't mind shaming them.
And if you ever, ever use a shitty phrase like "Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers" to describe myself or anyone else on this board again, I am calling Jimmy Walnuts.
The child's humours must be out of balance. I suggest leeches and a sulphur enema.
Somewhat off topic but dear god man why do you have so many children?
Somewhat off topic but dear god man why do you have so many children?
That said, I am finding it generally very difficult to square your description of the Little Man with what I know about basic decency towards kids and its effects. I'm in no way interested in shaming anyone who is aware that they are doing less than perfectly with their kids and struggle to improve. Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers, yes. I don't mind shaming them.
Stupid fucking hippie.
That said, I am finding it generally very difficult to square your description of the Little Man with what I know about basic decency towards kids and its effects. I'm in no way interested in shaming anyone who is aware that they are doing less than perfectly with their kids and struggle to improve. Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers, yes. I don't mind shaming them.
Stupid fucking hippie.
I like how he equates "less than perfect" with abuse and neglect.
PREDICTION: This thread's direction will somehow be my fault. It certainly isn't because of his inability to communicate/insane arrogance/all of the above.
PREDICTION: This thread's direction will somehow be my fault. It certainly isn't because of his inability to communicate/insane arrogance/all of the above.
DOUR™: Does exactly what is says on the tin. Only, the tin is covered with hair, so you can't read anything.
I think holist lives in a perfect world, it is the only explanation that isn't based on him being delusional.
In his world the entire social context for children is supportive and positive.
I wish I lived in that world.
holist reminds me of the 40 year old guy who went to UMass with me and spent all his time hanging out with 20 year olds and pretending that he was wiser than us because he spent two decades working industrial jobs. He tried to tell me what the meaning of life was, once, and was surprised when I told him to fuck off.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.
It's genetic. Barbarians like QG are naturally going to have children who will one day burn Rome down, plunging the world into a thousand years of night. With a smile and a wink.
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
But you're women. :sad:
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
But you're women. :sad:
Oh, right.
Sorry.
...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.
9:39So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
But you're women. :sad:
Oh, right.
Sorry.
...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.
TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ? :fnord: :fap:
Thanks DOUR.
All kids are square pegs. All kids meet a world full of round holes. Their reactions to the world trying to shape them into something they're not vary wildly based on temperament, but no kid is born exactly what society wants them to be. Quiet kids are encouraged, shamed, or bullied into being more social; loud kids are shushed; violent kids are put in time out and prison; friendly kids get Stranger Danger lectures.
The Little Man has had it rough. His parents are divorced, he recently lost his grandmother, and he's got another grandparent with a foot out the door. His mom went through a serious rough patch last spring, and now he's in a new school. He is hard because the world is hard and he knows it.
But let me make this very clear: The Little Man was a ball of FUCK YOU from the moment he was born, and no fluffy bullshit would have changed that fact. He is a force of nature unto himself, and my only goal as a parent is to help him learn to direct that energy towards accomplishing his goals instead of screeching like a monkey about every damn thing.
And if you ever, ever use a shitty phrase like "Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers" to describe myself or anyone else on this board again, I am calling Jimmy Walnuts.
9:39So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
But you're women. :sad:
Oh, right.
Sorry.
...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.
TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ? :fnord: :fap:
I believe Hirley0 just LMNeundo'd Suu.
:lulz:
9:39So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
But you're women. :sad:
Oh, right.
Sorry.
...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.
TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ? :fnord: :fap:
I believe Hirley0 just LMNeundo'd Suu.
:lulz:
Wow! :lol:
I'm still really confused about this place that Holist inhabits where children are born into a world that doesn't deserve a good dose of FUCK YOU. And everything is sparkles and sunshine forever.
9:39So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
But you're women. :sad:
Oh, right.
Sorry.
...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.
TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ? :fnord: :fap:
I believe Hirley0 just LMNeundo'd Suu.
:lulz:
Wow! :lol:
I'm in awe! :lulz:
BS2 .1 There Я 2:/-/usband Has point 3? it takes Long Slow Time {LSTThe kids think this is hilarious.Bullshit. There is nobody outside of this forum.
The husband has informed me that this entire forum is full of retards.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.
In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.
I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.
Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.
Golden Applesauce:
Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?
Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.
Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:
I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?
I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.
Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.
In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.
I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.
Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.
Golden Applesauce:
Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?
Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.
Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:
I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?
I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.
Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...
Golden Applesauce:
Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?
What in the fuck is wrong with you?
:lol:
Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.
In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.
I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.
Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.
Golden Applesauce:
Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?
Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.
Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:
I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?
I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.
Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...
What in the fuck is wrong with you?
:lol:
Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.
What a dick. :lulz:
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.
Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.
I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties.
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.
I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.
So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.
I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.
So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.
What a dick. :lulz:
He lives in a mantion. You live in a tense.
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.
What a dick. :lulz:
He lives in a mantion. You live in a tense.
Yes; and clearly any lack of happiness or money I may experience is the result of my poor choices. If I'd made better choices, I wouldn't be a divorced mother of color, I'd have been born a wealthy white man.
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.
I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.
So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:
If only you'd thought to sell your frontal lobes instead of educating them. Then you could have afforded better childcare than your frontal-lobe-damaged-uneducated-brain could have provided!
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.
Just saying.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
You People are not being rational.
He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
QuoteLMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
So's your mom.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
QuoteLMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
So's your mom.
Maybe we should move to the UK and have a lot of babies. Not together, mind you, Villager wouldn't approve of that.
Maybe we should move to the UK and have a lot of babies. Not together, mind you, Villager wouldn't approve of that.
And then Twid was an amoeba.
Quite honestly though, I'm missing the joke there.
Quite honestly though, I'm missing the joke there.
(babies by yourself -> asexual reproduction)
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
Quite honestly though, I'm missing the joke there.
(babies by yourself -> asexual reproduction)
Oh, I actually did get it? :)
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.
Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:
Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.
Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:
Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.
Pffft.
GA saw a chance for a cheap shot.
It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.
Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."
It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.
Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
That's a good point.
But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?
Let's put it this way.
When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.
You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.
Let's put it this way.
When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.
You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.
"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."
And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING. Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children. Ever.
I mean, clearly the fact that my oldest daughter has a classically choleric personality type and is aggressively angry about social injustice is an indication that she suffered abuse due to my failure as a mother, right? That of course is totally different from him knocking up a couple women and spawning more kids than he can adequately take care of.
Let's put it this way.
When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.
You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.
"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."
And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING. Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children. Ever.
I'm not going to hold it against her because I can see her point. My point is different, and it's the same point you're making. It makes perfect sense to have as many children as possible if youexpect a good chunk of them will diedon't have any other options because you live in a region where you can't get birth control and are considered a possession whose only value is reproduction.
Being an American with 10 children is like being a Cthulhu worshipper. You get eaten last.
Let's just try GA's "logic" out on some other social issues, shall we?
"If you don't agree with Israel's policies, I want to imagine you taking a shit on a mass grave at Auschwitz."
"If you don't hate all cops, I want you to imagine telling Rodney King to walk it off."
"If you don't agree with WalMart's HR policies, I want you to imagine slipping Stalin a bit of tongue."
Let's put it this way.
When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.
You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.
"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."
And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING. Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children. Ever.
I'm not going to hold it against her because I can see her point. My point is different, and it's the same point you're making. It makes perfect sense to have as many children as possible if youexpect a good chunk of them will diedon't have any other options because you live in a region where you can't get birth control and are considered a possession whose only value is reproduction.
Being an American with 10 children is like being a Cthulhu worshipper. You get eaten last.
Just want to AGAIN point out that overpopulation has nothing to do with people in developed countries having large families. It has to do with poverty and lack of opportunities and birth control in developing countries.
I feel like this attack is aimed at me since i am one of those horrible people who thinks that the worldpopulation has at least 1 digit too much.On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.
Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:
Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.
I feel like this attack is aimed at me since i am one of those horrible people who thinks that the worldpopulation has at least 1 digit too much.On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.
Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:
Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.
Therefore, my response:
I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids. I do feel the need to get them to think about overpopulation and about the balance between life-quality and life-quantity.
There is a clear line between asking someone not to have a 7th child (which I am not doing. But alright, I will play that role for the sake of argument) and being mean to the 6th child. And just in case you don't understand the difference: The 6th child is real and innocent so should not be hurt while the 7th child cannot be hurt yet because it doesn't exist yet. Stop defending imaginary children, that is unhealthy and silly. (annoying isn't it, when somebody paints an inaccurate picture of your position. That is called a strawman iirc)
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
Hard to tell, with this tire track in the middle of my face. :lulz:
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
Tres interessant, mon frere.
You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.
DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
Tres interessant, mon frere.
There you go with that Irish crap again.
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
Tres interessant, mon frere.
There you go with that Irish crap again.
But.... but....
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
Tres interessant, mon frere.
There you go with that Irish crap again.
But.... but....
Downright un-fucking-American, that's what it is.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.
regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.
regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.
regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.
It's all good yo.
I know exactly what you're saying, and I know there are often complex reasons for people to have many many children, or vice versa. My mom was 1 of 10. But, you know, Grandpa fought in the Pacific, survived the war, and was a good Catholic with a long enough marriage with a Catholic woman stretching from the early 1950s until his death in 1979.
My dad is an only child from rural Ireland who only became an only child because Grandma got polio and ended up paralyzed from the waist down. They were also good Catholics. Good Catholics who for completely unforseen reasons were not fruitful and ended up dividing by half.
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".
Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out. Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved. It is apparently the woman's fault.
Or so I am told.
I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.
regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.
It's all good yo.
I know exactly what you're saying, and I know there are often complex reasons for people to have many many children, or vice versa. My mom was 1 of 10. But, you know, Grandpa fought in the Pacific, survived the war, and was a good Catholic with a long enough marriage with a Catholic woman stretching from the early 1950s until his death in 1979.
My dad is an only child from rural Ireland who only became an only child because Grandma got polio and ended up paralyzed from the waist down. They were also good Catholics. Good Catholics who for completely unforseen reasons were not fruitful and ended up dividing by half.
Oh, ouch. Rough.
Yep. Only son of an only son.
Twidgramps and Twidgrams remained a loving couple the entire time. And we all pretty much told Gramps to shut up when he said that he was a subpar husband.
Yep. Only son of an only son.
Twidgramps and Twidgrams remained a loving couple the entire time. And we all pretty much told Gramps to shut up when he said that he was a subpar husband.
Plenty of assholes would have headed for the hills.
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids...
I feel like this attack is aimed at me ... I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids.
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Hey, he's been waiting WEEKS to spring that line, most likely.
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.
Well, you know...the Irish ignore anything they can't drink or punch. :lulz:
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial.
Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control?
If that's the kind of shit you say, then yes, sooner or later a child of a large family will overhear you. Maybe not directly, maybe it's just your kid going up to their kid on the playground and saying "My mom said that your mom has more kids than brains." While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."
It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights. If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids, then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?
QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling. If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.
If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.
Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?
-2 points for reading comprehension.
Man we go to different grocery stores. Of the top of my head, evangelicals tend to gravitate towards this sort script:
"Is that a lip piercing? You're going to hell. Stop trying to be punky rebel and go to church like your parents."
"My parents said it was okay."
"Your parents are AGENTS OF SATAN."
Can we analyze this comment? There's no knowledge transfer - all you've got is vaguely derisive speculation. It's pure phatic communication. Not that there's anything wrong with that, phatic communication is really important in building relationships and communities. It's just that with this post, I get the feeling that you're trying to build relationships at my expense. Like trying to build an in-group out-group paradigm.
I didn't read GA's post as a "here's a chance to get a kick in"
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.
Well, you know...the Irish ignore anything they can't drink or punch. :lulz:
Oh god, Grandpa never punched Grandma.
Nightmare fodder.
Truth be told, my favorite Grandma/Grandpa story did involve him being drunk and merry, and her being annoyed with him. I'll start up a new thread if you care to hear it.
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial. Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control?
While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."
It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights.
If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids
then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?
QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling.
If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.
If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.
Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.
Well, you know...the Irish ignore anything they can't drink or punch. :lulz:
Oh god, Grandpa never punched Grandma.
Nightmare fodder.
Truth be told, my favorite Grandma/Grandpa story did involve him being drunk and merry, and her being annoyed with him. I'll start up a new thread if you care to hear it.
Aw, sorry Twid. I wouldn't expect he did. I just can't resist a rip on non-Cornish people.
(We ignore everything we can't drink or stick a pick axe through.)
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
Naturally.
Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.
And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
Naturally.
Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.
And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.
Sure. It was the end of feudalism. Created a labor shortage.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
Naturally.
Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.
And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.
Sure. It was the end of feudalism. Created a labor shortage.
Most certainly. It also decimated established aristocracy, since none were exempt. It would have been the equivalent if the board of directors suddenly had a bunch of open positions, and all may apply.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
Naturally.
Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.
And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.
Sure. It was the end of feudalism. Created a labor shortage.
Most certainly. It also decimated established aristocracy, since none were exempt. It would have been the equivalent if the board of directors suddenly had a bunch of open positions, and all may apply.
There was even one lonely Irish monk, the only survivor in his monastery, who was convinced that the world had in fact ended, and he was the only human left alive.
It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.
Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."
You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.
DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll
Attention weak and vulnerable female:
You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.
Ook, ook ook.
I didn't read GA's post as a "here's a chance to get a kick in" it read more to me like "this 'why do you have so many children' trope is a hot button of mine and I'm hesitant to bring it up because fuck holist" followed by "okay, actually, I can't not mention this, here are my feels."
Here, this is a better example:It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.
Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.
DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll
If you approached this with therightwrongmaximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:QuoteAttention weak and vulnerable female:
You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.
Ook, ook ook.
You'd have to go through some mental gymnastics and willfully forget a lot of things to arrive at that interpretation, but you could do it if you were sufficiently motivated. I don't know why anybody would, though.
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Twid, you're the bestest <3
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
Twid, you're the bestest <3
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
I'll go for bester. Bestest is a lot to live up to.
Twid, you're the bestest <3
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
I'll go for bester. Bestest is a lot to live up to.
To be fair, I'm pretty liberal with my superlatives.
It comes down to this: What kind of world do you want?
One with 10 billion people in it?
One with 2 or 3 billion people in it?
It comes down to this: What kind of world do you want?
One with 10 billion people in it?
One with 2 or 3 billion people in it?
What kind of people? If you know what I mean. 10 Billion because I'm a horrible bastard.
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
Men are savages with no feelings?
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
Dear Holist:
Fuck you.
I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."
On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
You don't want me to use other's interactions with you as illustrations for rhetorical points. That's fair, and I'll respect that.
It's the bolded bit that gets to me. My direct interaction with holist in this thread so far as been:Dear Holist:
Fuck you.I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."
plus this comment:On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.
I feel that those statements are 1) straightforward, and 2) strongly characterize my relationship with holist in this thread as antagonistic. Given later ambiguous input, they would strongly influence interpretation of that ambiguity towards one consistent with an antagonistic relationship. I don't find it plausible that you honestly believe I'm trying to champion holist.
Which begs the question of why you'd type that out. The most generous interpretation I have is that I crossed an extremely important line, and you wanted to shock me into paying attention. Least generous is that you wanted to wound me, and accuracy be damned as long as it was hurtful - but that's not consistent with earlier observations of you being generally reasonable, thoughtful, and of not being suddenly and spontaneously spiteful.
The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours. That's behavior I associate with people insecure in their standing in an important group, which, again, is not consistent with earlier observations of you. I read the bulk of your interactions with other established members as indicative of a confident peer-to-peer relationship, and from others get the impression that you're generally well respected. You could have not posted that and been fine. Apart from holist and arguably that one comment from Roger, no one's been attacking you in this thread; to the contrary, the entire thread up to the point when I used impact font was the board broadly telling holist that trying to make mothers feel guilty about their children was misogynistic and unacceptable. So I'm not aware of anything that would cause you to suddenly start feeling insecure or otherwise begin to act out of character, which means that I have a hard time taking the intermediate position either.
Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?
Here, this is a better example:It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.
Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.
DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll
If you approached this with therightwrongmaximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:QuoteAttention weak and vulnerable female:
You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.
Ook, ook ook.
You'd have to go through some mental gymnastics and willfully forget a lot of things to arrive at that interpretation, but you could do it if you were sufficiently motivated. I don't know why anybody would, though.
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What about my points?
Anyway, the point I was making was that within Holist's conditions, having that amount of children is in fact a bit shocking on a few different levels, and I don't feel like I am shaming him or the missus by pointing it out. I really want to know what the rationale behind it was, because they clearly have access to birth control in the UK, don't really need to have more than 2 or 3 children from a survival angle, and unless Holist has pound sterling shooting out of his asshole, those children actually compete for resources rather than benefit by it. I mean, I could be wrong. Holist might well be a rich motherfucker who can support a large number of children and spread relative, Western, economic comfort equally among them.
Anyway, the point I was making was that within Holist's conditions, having that amount of children is in fact a bit shocking on a few different levels, and I don't feel like I am shaming him or the missus by pointing it out. I really want to know what the rationale behind it was, because they clearly have access to birth control in the UK, don't really need to have more than 2 or 3 children from a survival angle, and unless Holist has pound sterling shooting out of his asshole, those children actually compete for resources rather than benefit by it. I mean, I could be wrong. Holist might well be a rich motherfucker who can support a large number of children and spread relative, Western, economic comfort equally among them.
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial. Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control? If that's the kind of shit you say, then yes, sooner or later a child of a large family will overhear you. Maybe not directly, maybe it's just your kid going up to their kid on the playground and saying "My mom said that your mom has more kids than brains." While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."
It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights. If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids, then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?
QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling. If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.
If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.
Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids...
I feel like this attack is aimed at me ... I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids.
-2 points for reading comprehension.Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Man we go to different grocery stores. Of the top of my head, evangelicals tend to gravitate towards this sort script:
"Is that a lip piercing? You're going to hell. Stop trying to be punky rebel and go to church like your parents."
"My parents said it was okay."
"Your parents are AGENTS OF SATAN."
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Hey, he's been waiting WEEKS to spring that line, most likely.
Can we analyze this comment? There's no knowledge transfer - all you've got is vaguely derisive speculation. It's pure phatic communication. Not that there's anything wrong with that, phatic communication is really important in building relationships and communities. It's just that with this post, I get the feeling that you're trying to build relationships at my expense. Like trying to build an in-group out-group paradigm.
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial. Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control? If that's the kind of shit you say, then yes, sooner or later a child of a large family will overhear you. Maybe not directly, maybe it's just your kid going up to their kid on the playground and saying "My mom said that your mom has more kids than brains." While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."
It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights. If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids, then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?
QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling. If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.
If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.
Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids...
I feel like this attack is aimed at me ... I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids.
-2 points for reading comprehension.Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Man we go to different grocery stores. Of the top of my head, evangelicals tend to gravitate towards this sort script:
"Is that a lip piercing? You're going to hell. Stop trying to be punky rebel and go to church like your parents."
"My parents said it was okay."
"Your parents are AGENTS OF SATAN."
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Hey, he's been waiting WEEKS to spring that line, most likely.
Can we analyze this comment? There's no knowledge transfer - all you've got is vaguely derisive speculation. It's pure phatic communication. Not that there's anything wrong with that, phatic communication is really important in building relationships and communities. It's just that with this post, I get the feeling that you're trying to build relationships at my expense. Like trying to build an in-group out-group paradigm.
We definitely buy groceries in different places.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
Naturally.
Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.
And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Wait. Contact between Europe and North America.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Radioactivity on fertility rates?
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Radioactivity on fertility rates?
Prosperity.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Radioactivity on fertility rates?
Prosperity.
Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
You don't want me to use other's interactions with you as illustrations for rhetorical points. That's fair, and I'll respect that.
It's the bolded bit that gets to me. My direct interaction with holist in this thread so far as been:Dear Holist:
Fuck you.I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."
plus this comment:On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.
I feel that those statements are 1) straightforward, and 2) strongly characterize my relationship with holist in this thread as antagonistic. Given later ambiguous input, they would strongly influence interpretation of that ambiguity towards one consistent with an antagonistic relationship. I don't find it plausible that you honestly believe I'm trying to champion holist.
Which begs the question of why you'd type that out. The most generous interpretation I have is that I crossed an extremely important line, and you wanted to shock me into paying attention. Least generous is that you wanted to wound me, and accuracy be damned as long as it was hurtful - but that's not consistent with earlier observations of you being generally reasonable, thoughtful, and of not being suddenly and spontaneously spiteful.
The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours. That's behavior I associate with people insecure in their standing in an important group, which, again, is not consistent with earlier observations of you. I read the bulk of your interactions with other established members as indicative of a confident peer-to-peer relationship, and from others get the impression that you're generally well respected. You could have not posted that and been fine. Apart from holist and arguably that one comment from Roger, no one's been attacking you in this thread; to the contrary, the entire thread up to the point when I used impact font was the board broadly telling holist that trying to make mothers feel guilty about their children was misogynistic and unacceptable. So I'm not aware of anything that would cause you to suddenly start feeling insecure or otherwise begin to act out of character, which means that I have a hard time taking the intermediate position either.
Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
You don't want me to use other's interactions with you as illustrations for rhetorical points. That's fair, and I'll respect that.
It's the bolded bit that gets to me. My direct interaction with holist in this thread so far as been:Dear Holist:
Fuck you.I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."
plus this comment:On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.
I feel that those statements are 1) straightforward, and 2) strongly characterize my relationship with holist in this thread as antagonistic. Given later ambiguous input, they would strongly influence interpretation of that ambiguity towards one consistent with an antagonistic relationship. I don't find it plausible that you honestly believe I'm trying to champion holist.
Which begs the question of why you'd type that out. The most generous interpretation I have is that I crossed an extremely important line, and you wanted to shock me into paying attention. Least generous is that you wanted to wound me, and accuracy be damned as long as it was hurtful - but that's not consistent with earlier observations of you being generally reasonable, thoughtful, and of not being suddenly and spontaneously spiteful.
The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours. That's behavior I associate with people insecure in their standing in an important group, which, again, is not consistent with earlier observations of you. I read the bulk of your interactions with other established members as indicative of a confident peer-to-peer relationship, and from others get the impression that you're generally well respected. You could have not posted that and been fine. Apart from holist and arguably that one comment from Roger, no one's been attacking you in this thread; to the contrary, the entire thread up to the point when I used impact font was the board broadly telling holist that trying to make mothers feel guilty about their children was misogynistic and unacceptable. So I'm not aware of anything that would cause you to suddenly start feeling insecure or otherwise begin to act out of character, which means that I have a hard time taking the intermediate position either.
Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?
Dude, just for the record, your "social standing", such as it is, has been shot for quite some time, totally independent of Holist. I take you off ignore from time to time just to see whether you've grown the fuck up yet or are still grandstanding and passive-aggressively trying (and failing in everyone's eyes but your own) to tell people what.
I'm not saying this to be mean or to fit in with the crowd, and honestly I think you can do a lot better for yourself. You aren't stupid or a bad person or anything, but the potshots get so fucking old that they just aren't worth reading anymore.
Just out of curiosity, because I might have missed the confirmation, but seem to have picked it up in implication, but is GA intending on going into psychology?
Here, this is a better example:It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.
Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.
DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll
If you approached this with therightwrongmaximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:QuoteAttention weak and vulnerable female:
You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.
(http://i.imgur.com/zihmrB3.jpg)
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Radioactivity on fertility rates?
Prosperity.
The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours.
Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?
Can we at least all agree that this is a good thing?Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Radioactivity on fertility rates?
Prosperity.
Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.You see, it turns out that living a long healthy life and having the possibility of being something other than a breeding machine severely impacts a human's desire to gestate and push out child after child at the expense of their own health and longevity.
Prosperity is relative, and one of the key markers is education, which is not resource-intensive.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.
What a SNIDE remark! :)
Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.
I still like him but I don't think he likes us anymore :sadbanana:
Au contraire!
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.
What a dick. :lulz:
Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.
Yeah.
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.
I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.
So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:
ITT: someone doesn't know how to shut up.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.
Just saying.
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.
Just saying.
I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.
Just saying.
I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.
And I can slide under THAT.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
You People are not being rational.
He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
You People are not being rational.
He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)
IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.
Just saying.
I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.
And I can slide under THAT.
DOUR, the limbo champion of Tucson.
QuoteLMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
So's your mom.
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
QuoteLMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
So's your mom.
My muther is a very active lady who still exerts tremendous effort at 70. She is somewhat ready for the cheap shot, but will belabour it at the drop of a hat.
QuoteLMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
So's your mom.
My muther is a very active lady who still exerts tremendous effort at 70. She is somewhat ready for the cheap shot, but will belabour it at the drop of a hat.
Enrico is not certain "effort" is word he would use to describe, but will admit: she have remarkable elasticity!
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
That's a good point.
But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
That's a good point.
But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?
I wasn't accusing anyone. I was expressing surprise that someone would just be like the Little Man she described for no particular reason. Turns out there's plenty reason. That's what I was after when I asked about it.
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
That's a good point.
But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?
I wasn't accusing anyone. I was expressing surprise that someone would just be like the Little Man she described for no particular reason. Turns out there's plenty reason. That's what I was after when I asked about it.
You seem to be working under the mistaken impression that people on this forums actually want to engage you on a serious level.
Let's put it this way.
When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.
You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.
"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."
And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING. Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children. Ever.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.
In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.
I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.
Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.
Golden Applesauce:
Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?
Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.
Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:
I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?
I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.
Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".
I wonder why that is?
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Anyway, the point I was making was that within Holist's conditions, having that amount of children is in fact a bit shocking on a few different levels, and I don't feel like I am shaming him or the missus by pointing it out. I really want to know what the rationale behind it was, because they clearly have access to birth control in the UK, don't really need to have more than 2 or 3 children from a survival angle, and unless Holist has pound sterling shooting out of his asshole, those children actually compete for resources rather than benefit by it. I mean, I could be wrong. Holist might well be a rich motherfucker who can support a large number of children and spread relative, Western, economic comfort equally among them.
I think they live in Hungary or some other 3rd world country, not the UK. If I recall, they tried moving to the UK a year or so ago, and they couldn't hack it so they moved back to the jungle or wherever.
Oh. Well, that's a literal dick move on Holist's part. No wonder he was an admittedly shitty father to the first three.
Though, even that said, If I had 3 kids with wife number one and got divorced, I would probably try and woo a woman who already had children and had no desire for any more. You know, emotional support is a resource too, like.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Can we at least all agree that this is a good thing?Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.
Point of order: Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN. No shit. People fuck faster than you can shoot them. (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).
The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague. And THAT didn't last long, either.
There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Radioactivity on fertility rates?
Prosperity.
Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.You see, it turns out that living a long healthy life and having the possibility of being something other than a breeding machine severely impacts a human's desire to gestate and push out child after child at the expense of their own health and longevity.
Prosperity is relative, and one of the key markers is education, which is not resource-intensive.
I'm most interested in the opinions of the pro-breeding camp.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)
So, no planning ahead or anything.
Seems very...enlightened.
ITT: someone doesn't know how to shut up.
He can't. He's driven to this, IMO.
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.
Just saying.
I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.
And I can slide under THAT.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.
And yet here you are. How puzzling.
QuoteLMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
So's your mom.
My muther is a very active lady who still exerts tremendous effort at 70. She is somewhat ready for the cheap shot, but will belabour it at the drop of a hat.
Enrico is not certain "effort" is word he would use to describe, but will admit: she have remarkable elasticity!
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.
On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
That's a good point.
But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?
I wasn't accusing anyone. I was expressing surprise that someone would just be like the Little Man she described for no particular reason. Turns out there's plenty reason. That's what I was after when I asked about it.
You seem to be working under the mistaken impression that people on this forum actually want to engage you on a serious level.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
If we are to speak of shaming daddies, Enrico will need to change his sheet first.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.
Yeah, I just want to make sure that people remember all the nice things you said. :)
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.
I feel left out because holist didn't describe me in the line-and-a-half cheap shot format he criticised LMNO for.
I feel left out because holist didn't describe me in the line-and-a-half cheap shot format he criticised LMNO for.
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.
Yeah, I just want to make sure that people remember all the nice things you said. :)
Wha, that you all have redeeming qualities and I love you???
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Because you went to college, Twid. That is why.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.
What, like me? Why do you think I'm a counterexample?
I feel left out because holist didn't describe me in the line-and-a-half cheap shot format he criticised LMNO for.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Because you went to college, Twid. That is why.
Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.
Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.
What, like me? Why do you think I'm a counterexample?
Because you went to college, that's why.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)
Just out of curiosity, because I might have missed the confirmation, but seem to have picked it up in implication, but is GA intending on going into psychology?
That's what I gathered from the last few pages... I was almost hoping nobody would point it out because each post turned out funnier than the last one.
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)
To be fair, that's not as bad as I was picturing, my fault for assuming that they were all biologically yours.
You do mention that you both planned to have Liza too, and you had 3 boys and your current had 2 kids so... the question as to why you both would want to add one more is still there. What about your ex, did she have any more kids after leaving you?
Blight,
Let's make this some math, because I'm genuinely curious about reproductive dynamics post divorce. As a counter example, neither of my biological parents have produced offspring since splitting.
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.
Yeah, I just want to make sure that people remember all the nice things you said. :)
Wha, that you all have redeeming qualities and I love you???
You're such a passive aggressive waste of gametes. :lulz:
I realise that imagining that I am here and doing what I am doing without much in the way of hostility is beyond your capabilities, but in fact I am not hostile towards you. I am intrigued, at times frustrated, at times even infuriated (less so recently, as I said, learning curve), often amused and bemused... well, never mind.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
I feel a great storm of passive agressive bullshit, winding it's way through the internet from Europe...
Oh, it's just holist.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes.
You're a liar.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes.
You're a liar.
Actually, I'm not. You, on the other hand, are. :)
Well, at the very least, he's including me. I feel like one of the gang!
So many people forget what a mean and nasty person I can be, so prone to bias.
Well, at the very least, he's including me. I feel like one of the gang!
So many people forget what a mean and nasty person I can be, so prone to bias.
Says the Salazorian apologist.
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
Well you know, I've been sitting here where I sit for two years now, on and off.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
Well you know, I've been sitting here where I sit for two years now, on and off.
Looks like you're stuck in a rut.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
You People are not being rational.
He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)
IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Are you sure you don't just want other people to stop working so hard because they might succeed, thereby making you feel bad about yourself?
Especially unmarried people who don't have another person there to pick up the slack?
Because that does seem to be an undercurrent, there.
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
You People are not being rational.
He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)
IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.
Are you sure you don't just want other people to stop working so hard because they might succeed, thereby making you feel bad about yourself?
Especially unmarried people who don't have another person there to pick up the slack?
Because that does seem to be an undercurrent, there.
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
(It's raining, I'm getting a lift to the school, so I have a little more time.)
Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
You People are not being rational.
He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)
IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.
Are you sure you don't just want other people to stop working so hard because they might succeed, thereby making you feel bad about yourself?
Especially unmarried people who don't have another person there to pick up the slack?
Because that does seem to be an undercurrent, there.
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income, at present I do about 70% of housework (90% of the cooking), Mondays and Wednesdays, when my wife is off to her part-time job, I am with the 3.5-year old who is still at home all day.
Also, just because someone (I'm not sure it was you) hinted at my being rich: I am not rich. We (8 people, 2 dogs, 1 cat) live on about 4 thousand dollars a month, of which fully one eighth is the rent we get from my wife's flat (I don't own property and don't plan to).
Also, I consider myself successful. :)
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
I do believe you single a few other people out for special mention, myself included.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
I do believe you single a few other people out for special mention, myself included.
Those were individual responses. The first sentence was just an eruption of sentiment.
Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.
But for how long?
Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.
But for how long?
Until she scores a role in the reboot of Life Goes On.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
I do believe you single a few other people out for special mention, myself included.
Those were individual responses. The first sentence was just an eruption of sentiment.
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.
That's how he can afford to put himself on that pedestal he's looking down at everyone from.
Especially that lazy loser LMNO. I mean, that guy.
I am ashame.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
The other 40% comes from my wife. :)
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.
I converted it to dollers for your convenience, dumb thingie. Do the fucking math, 48,000 a year, 8 people. Food is actually a bit cheaper in the US, petrol is way cheaper in the US. Accommodation is way cheaper here. We are, incomewise, lower middle-class. I even suspect your household may spend more. Certainly not a lot less.
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
I'd just like to point out that:I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!
Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.
Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.
But for how long?
Until she scores a role in the reboot of Life Goes On.
He's a bum, sits around the house all day, not even bothering with personal hygiene (judging from the pics he's posted).
Sooner or later, she'll wise up and give him the boot.
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
I'd just like to point out that:I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!
Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.
The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.
Seriously.
I demand to be added in.
I demand to be added in.
You need to stoop lower for that. :)
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody(almost everybody)hates me,
I demand to be added in.
You need to stoop lower for that. :)
You have absolutely no idea how low I can stoop.
I was born with hips that swivel in all the wrong ways. I am a superior mutant and can bend in any number of surprising ways.
I still can't quite contort myself into a position that allows me to give a single absolute fuck about you, but them's the breaks.
But if all the cool kids are going to be Losers, I'm going to be a Loser too.
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.I demand to be added in.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.
Seriously.
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
I demand to be added in.
You need to stoop lower for that. :)
You have absolutely no idea how low I can stoop.
I was born with hips that swivel in all the wrong ways. I am a superior mutant and can bend in any number of surprising ways.
I still can't quite contort myself into a position that allows me to give a single absolute fuck about you, but them's the breaks.
But if all the cool kids are going to be Losers, I'm going to be a Loser too.
Okay, you ambitious person! :)
That's how he can afford to put himself on that pedestal he's looking down at everyone from.
Especially that lazy loser LMNO. I mean, that guy.
Yep. Does nothing all day.
That's how he can afford to put himself on that pedestal he's looking down at everyone from.
Especially that lazy loser LMNO. I mean, that guy.
Yep. Does nothing all day.
I guess that must be your resentment at having worked such a shitty job for so long coming out. Think of all those hours that you robbed yourself of, spending them on stuff you found boring, infuriating, frustrating, and all manner of unpleasant things! You cannot get them back, e-cigs and weight-loss notwithstanding. - I know, because I am that man. :)
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
The other 40% comes from my wife. :)
Until SHE leaves your ass.
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.
I converted it to dollers for your convenience, dumb thingie. Do the fucking math, 48,000 a year, 8 people. Food is actually a bit cheaper in the US, petrol is way cheaper in the US. Accommodation is way cheaper here. We are, incomewise, lower middle-class. I even suspect your household may spend more. Certainly not a lot less.
"dollars", smart thingie.
You must be the worst translator ever.
A person would have better luck with an online translator.
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.I demand to be added in.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.
Seriously.
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.I demand to be added in.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.
Seriously.
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
FUCK YUO! I'VE LOST MORE IN THE LAST TEN MINUTES THAN MOST OUTLANDISHLY SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WILL ACCUMULATE IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFETIME. IF PAYNE GETS IN THEN SO DO I, GODDAMNIT :argh!:
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
The other 40% comes from my wife. :)
Until SHE leaves your ass.
I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.I demand to be added in.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.
Seriously.
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
FUCK YUO! I'VE LOST MORE IN THE LAST TEN MINUTES THAN MOST OUTLANDISHLY SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WILL ACCUMULATE IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFETIME. IF PAYNE GETS IN THEN SO DO I, GODDAMNIT :argh!:
P3nT, you're an irredeemable shitbag. You've ALWAYS been a Loser in my eyes.
Jealous much, guise?
:hammer:
Jealous much, guise?
:hammer:
Why do YOU always get all the love Roger?
WHERE'S MY SLICE?!
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
I'd just like to point out that:I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!
Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.
The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
I have plenty of concern for plenty of people. Even you, Roger! Why else would I still be talking to you? :)
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
I'd just like to point out that:I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!
Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.
The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
I'm sorry to rob you of your misconception, but actually, every single kid is at or near the top of the class and are universally loved by all the teachers. I spend parent evenings listening to other parents voice a predictable set of pointless worries about their kids. :)
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.I demand to be added in.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.
Seriously.
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
...Babar?
I demand to be added in.
You need to stoop lower for that. :)
You have absolutely no idea how low I can stoop.
I was born with hips that swivel in all the wrong ways. I am a superior mutant and can bend in any number of surprising ways.
I still can't quite contort myself into a position that allows me to give a single absolute fuck about you, but them's the breaks.
But if all the cool kids are going to be Losers, I'm going to be a Loser too.
Okay, you ambitious person! :)
You wish I could bother to stoke up some ambition for you. That would require me to actually care what a dead beat, abusive, smug-but-worthless ignorant turd like you could bring to the table.
You are barely even worth the effort to type these words, but as it happens as I have a spare five minutes or so while something else is going on, and you are the forum equivalent to bringing my phone into the bathroom so I can play some pointless game while I'm aerially bombarding my toilet with concentrated hatred mixed with too much fibre.
I'm not LMNO.
Are you drunk or something?
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
The other 40% comes from my wife. :)
Until SHE leaves your ass.
I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)
Childhood shit in your therapy, you say?
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
The other 40% comes from my wife. :)
Until SHE leaves your ass.
I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)
Childhood shit in your therapy, you say?
Yes. :)
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)
No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.
Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.
It must be lonely being perfect.
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.
It must be lonely being perfect.
I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)
No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.
Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.
Well, he DID mention having to put up with all the untermenschen parents and their substandard complaints.
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.
It must be lonely being perfect.
I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.
Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)
No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.
Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.
Well, he DID mention having to put up with all the untermenschen parents and their substandard complaints.
Oh yes, and his kids are all geniuses apparently.
I assume the school has various levels of classes for different abilities. That would make this plausible. I doubt it's good genetics or a positive home life. Certainly isn't engagement with the kids.
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.
It must be lonely being perfect.
I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.
Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.
Holding them up standards that you yourself don't actually meet, but totally would if you really had to but never have to because everyone else is so inferior?
Holist - RWHN Redux.
Jealous much, guise?
:hammer:
Why do YOU always get all the love Roger?
WHERE'S MY SLICE?!
They are my people, and I am their king.
:digtbk:
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
I have plenty of concern for plenty of people. Even you, Roger! Why else would I still be talking to you? :)
God knows. It's not like I want it.
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.
It must be lonely being perfect.
I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.
Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.
Holding them up standards that you yourself don't actually meet, but totally would if you really had to but never have to because everyone else is so inferior?
Yeah, that will do nicely.
Then go hang around boards where nobody likes you.
Then act rationally for ten minutes until the nicer ones give you another chance.
Then shit all over them.
Conclusion: Holist is a drug addict of some kind.
Jealous much, guise?
:hammer:
Why do YOU always get all the love Roger?
WHERE'S MY SLICE?!
They are my people, and I am their king.
:digtbk:
Ah, the famous tag line, at last. What a relief. :)
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.
It must be lonely being perfect.
I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.
Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.
Holding them up standards that you yourself don't actually meet, but totally would if you really had to but never have to because everyone else is so inferior?
Yeah, that will do nicely.
Then go hang around boards where nobody likes you.
Then act rationally for ten minutes until the nicer ones give you another chance.
Then shit all over them.
Conclusion: Holist is a drug addict of some kind.
That sounds like a familiar tune you're whistling along to there Roger.
I'm fairly certain I've heard it before. :lulz:
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
I'd just like to point out that:I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!
Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.
The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
I'm sorry to rob you of your misconception, but actually, every single kid is at or near the top of the class and are universally loved by all the teachers. I spend parent evenings listening to other parents voice a predictable set of pointless worries about their kids. :)
Is this what they taught you in therapy?
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,
The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
The other 40% comes from my wife. :)
Until SHE leaves your ass.
I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)
Childhood shit in your therapy, you say?
Yes. :)
Who gives a shit?
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
Holist smiles too much. Way, way too much.
I don't think I've seen a single post where he didn't post a smiley face.
There's just something very wrong about that.
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Holist smiles too much. Way, way too much.
I don't think I've seen a single post where he didn't post a smiley face.
There's just something very wrong about that.
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Yeah, you're a SPAG.
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Yeah, you're a SPAG.
Oh, yeah. That too.
But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Yeah, you're a SPAG.
Oh, yeah. That too.
But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.
YOUR FACE?
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Yeah, you're a SPAG.
Oh, yeah. That too.
But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.
YOUR FACE?
:cry:
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Yeah, you're a SPAG.
Oh, yeah. That too.
But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.
YOUR FACE?
:cry:
I'm awfully sorry about your face.
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Yeah, you're a SPAG.
Oh, yeah. That too.
But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.
YOUR FACE?
:cry:
I'm awfully sorry about your face.
Me too Roger. Sometimes I can't even stop it from sliding off the front of my head anymore.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)
No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.
Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.
Man, i love it when my name-prank works.Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.I demand to be added in.
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
1. Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?
2. You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.QuoteYou are such a sorry bunch of losers.
DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?
Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Add me in and go fuck yourself.
You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.
Seriously.
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Like I said, I'm killing some time :)
And smearing shit on the walls in the process. :argh!:
I told you I have A Condition.
Yeah, you're a SPAG.
Oh, yeah. That too.
But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.
YOUR FACE?
:cry:
I'm awfully sorry about your face.
Me too Roger. Sometimes I can't even stop it from sliding off the front of my head anymore.
I stapled mine to my junk. It's just easier that way.
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.
That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)
No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.
Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.
Well, he DID mention having to put up with all the untermenschen parents and their substandard complaints.
Oh yes, and his kids are all geniuses apparently.
I assume the school has various levels of classes for different abilities. That would make this plausible. I doubt it's good genetics or a positive home life. Certainly isn't engagement with the kids.
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.
I think the technical term is projection.
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.
I think the technical term is projection.
I DEMAND that Junkenstein be added to the cool kids club!
Also your shrink sucks.
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.
I think the technical term is projection.
Why, yes, because I've been spouting all manner of make-believe woo (homeopathy), etc, for YEARS.
:lulz: <--- at you.
And no, it's not because of that, but because you very much want me not to have any friends here,
(sorry, I had to put the poor little victim to bed, my wife seems to have run. away already)And no, it's not because of that, but because you very much want me not to have any friends here,
Name one.
And no, it's not because of that, but because you very much want me not to have any friends here,
Boy is my face red.
I like holist.
Boy is my face red.
There's no shame in being nice enough to give someone a second chance, Nigel.
Is it possible or desirable for you to stop expecting better but not stop giving second chances? It is what i try to do. Though usually I forget the first part and get hurt again.Boy is my face red.
There's no shame in being nice enough to give someone a second chance, Nigel.
I'm starting to think I should give it up, though, because this is hardly the first time I've been stabbed in the back by someone I was trying to be kind to.
Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?I like holist.
Good on ya.
Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.
That might explain it.
I like holist.
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.
None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.
Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.
Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?
Don't get me wrong, he's a totally awful person.
I just like his tenacity.
Don't get me wrong, he's a totally awful person.
I just like his tenacity.
Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?I like holist.
Good on ya.
Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.
That might explain it.
Did... I adjust my perception of your standing as a human being or dismiss your agency based on your anger or did someone else do that?Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?I like holist.
Good on ya.
Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.
That might explain it.
Why, I do, of course.
But the more I think about it, what's NOT to like about tenaciously telling mothers that they are bad at raising kids?
Did... I adjust my perception of your standing as a human being or dismiss your agency based on your anger or did someone else do that?Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?I like holist.
Good on ya.
Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.
That might explain it.
Why, I do, of course.
But the more I think about it, what's NOT to like about tenaciously telling mothers that they are bad at raising kids?
It was a particularly charming way in which to learn that I was wrong to try to befriend him, let alone attempting to convince others to do so.
Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.
I'ma reread it.Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.
Dude, I'm okay with "I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth."
It was the WAY you said it.
I'ma reread it.Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.
Dude, I'm okay with "I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth."
It was the WAY you said it.
The "not going to bother"? Yeah, okay, I can see that.
"I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth." was the intent, and not seeing the dismissiveness, after"Righteo, my good man. I'll just fuck off then." I was convinced that you were looking for a fight either way.
Yeah, sorry man. That's my failure to express myself, there.I'ma reread it.Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.
Dude, I'm okay with "I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth."
It was the WAY you said it.
The "not going to bother"? Yeah, okay, I can see that.
"I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth." was the intent, and not seeing the dismissiveness, after"Righteo, my good man. I'll just fuck off then." I was convinced that you were looking for a fight either way.
No, when I'm looking for a fight, there's not much doubt about it. :lulz:
All's well that ends well!
Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.
WHY DON'T WE ASK HIM?Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.
But I'm not OK with Paes being portrayed as my new best friend! My old best friend may object. :)
WHY DON'T WE ASK HIM?Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.
But I'm not OK with Paes being portrayed as my new best friend! My old best friend may object. :)
Holist, do you object?
All's well that ends well!
A midsummer nights dream!
With Roger as Puck!
The Paes doth keep his revels here to-night:
Take heed Nigel come not within his sight;
For Paesior is passing fell and wrath,
Because that she as her attendant hath
A lovely boy, stolen from an Indian king;
She never had so sweet a changeling;
And jealous Paesior would have the child
Knight of his train, to trace the forests wild;
But she perforce withholds the loved boy,
Crowns him with flowers and makes him all her joy:
And now they never meet in grove or green,
By fountain clear, or spangled starlight sheen,
But, they do square, that all their elves for fear
Creep into acorn-cups and hide them there.
WHY DON'T WE ASK HIM?Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.
But I'm not OK with Paes being portrayed as my new best friend! My old best friend may object. :)
Holist, do you object?
Try harder, I think. It's almost funny. :)
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.
See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.
For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.
Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:
Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences
I think I may have missed out one or two...
Yep. I'm a monster.
Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.
:)
All's well that ends well!
A midsummer nights dream!
With Roger as Puck!
The Paes doth keep his revels here to-night:
Take heed Nigel come not within his sight;
For Paesior is passing fell and wrath,
Because that she as her attendant hath
A lovely boy, stolen from an Indian king;
She never had so sweet a changeling;
And jealous Paesior would have the child
Knight of his train, to trace the forests wild;
But she perforce withholds the loved boy,
Crowns him with flowers and makes him all her joy:
And now they never meet in grove or green,
By fountain clear, or spangled starlight sheen,
But, they do square, that all their elves for fear
Creep into acorn-cups and hide them there.
I think you asked that question already and I answered it, you manipulative nutcake, but here goes again:
No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.
Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
Well, at the very least, he's including me. I feel like one of the gang!
So many people forget what a mean and nasty person I can be, so prone to bias.
Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:
Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.
Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.
(It's raining, I'm getting a lift to the school, so I have a little more time.)
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.
I converted it to dollers for your convenience, dumb thingie. Do the fucking math, 48,000 a year, 8 people. Food is actually a bit cheaper in the US, petrol is way cheaper in the US. Accommodation is way cheaper here. We are, incomewise, lower middle-class. I even suspect your household may spend more. Certainly not a lot less.
Divorce is pretty trainwrecky.
Not that Holist would know anything about that, being above it all. :roll:
Divorce is pretty trainwrecky.
Not that Holist would know anything about that, being above it all. :roll:
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.
See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.
For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.
Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:
Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences
I think I may have missed out one or two...
Yep. I'm a monster.
Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.
:)
You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.
As someone who has spent money in both the US and the UK in recent years, it's 1 for 1, despite exchange rate. Compare the cost of a Coke in both countries. It's above a dollar/pound, and below 2 dollars/2 pound. Exchange rate may say something different, but bang for buck is the best measure.
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.
See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.
For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.
Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:
Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences
I think I may have missed out one or two...
Yep. I'm a monster.
Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.
:)
You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.
I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.
I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.
I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.
Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.
I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.
See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.
For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.
Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:
Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences
I think I may have missed out one or two...
Yep. I'm a monster.
Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.
:)
You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.
Incidentally ECH, your command of uncommon vulgarity is a wonder to behold.
I mean, "whistledick"?
:lol::1fap:
I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.
I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.
Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.
I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.
The series of proteins that start with absorbing a photon and end with iirc changing ADP + P -> ATP. So far nothing strange, right?
The only thing is, the efficiency of this transfer of energy is above 95%. This is not possible without quantum coherence, or so i read. I tried to better my understanding by reading up on quantum coherence but i couldn't wrap my head around it (yet, i'll think about it some more). This is of course not surprising because quantum. Dammit, i got distracted by quantum.
Anyway, there is this one protein that reacts to getting hit by a photon by changing it's configuration. (This is what proteins do, stuff interacts with them and they change shape. Pretty cool if you ask me) This brings the part of the protein that just got energy added to it (the photon agitated an electron in 'orbit' around an atom so it went into a higher 'orbit' making it more susceptible to interaction with other stuff) closer to the right part of the 2nd protein in the cascade. This electron is understandably agitated, after all, he was just chilling out in his favorite orbit and out of nowhere this photon pushes him out of his comfort zone! This 2nd protein's electron accepts the extra energy because the agitated electron on the 1st protein pokes the 2nd protein until one of it's electrons gets agitated. The agitated electron on the first protein immediatly calms the fuck down after venting his irritation. He goes back to his favorite orbit and drinks some camomile tea. This sad cascade of violence happens a few more times untill the agitation energy is brought to the other side of the membrane (did i tell you all of this is happening in the membrane of a chloroplast? it is) where quite a lot of ADP and loose P are hanging out being useless little shits. Now, the last agitated electron in the cascade is just as agitated as the first one, even though he knows nothing of the photon that originally started it all. So he grabs1 one of each of these useless bums and smashes their heads together untill they learn to play nice and work together becoming the team known as ATP.
1 ok, technically they were already held by the last protein, and the addition of the energy to the protein leads to a change in its shape that instantly smashes the two bums together, but that was harder to write into the story.
P.S. Ok, so I did remember quite a lot of details. I'm still not entirely sure if ADP + P -> ATP is the reaction that happens at the end though. Could be something else.
P.P.S. This was fun!
The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.
I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.
I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.
Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.
I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.
The series of proteins that start with absorbing a photon and end with iirc changing ADP + P -> ATP. So far nothing strange, right?
The only thing is, the efficiency of this transfer of energy is above 95%. This is not possible without quantum coherence, or so i read. I tried to better my understanding by reading up on quantum coherence but i couldn't wrap my head around it (yet, i'll think about it some more). This is of course not surprising because quantum. Dammit, i got distracted by quantum.
Anyway, there is this one protein that reacts to getting hit by a photon by changing it's configuration. (This is what proteins do, stuff interacts with them and they change shape. Pretty cool if you ask me) This brings the part of the protein that just got energy added to it (the photon agitated an electron in 'orbit' around an atom so it went into a higher 'orbit' making it more susceptible to interaction with other stuff) closer to the right part of the 2nd protein in the cascade. This electron is understandably agitated, after all, he was just chilling out in his favorite orbit and out of nowhere this photon pushes him out of his comfort zone! This 2nd protein's electron accepts the extra energy because the agitated electron on the 1st protein pokes the 2nd protein until one of it's electrons gets agitated. The agitated electron on the first protein immediatly calms the fuck down after venting his irritation. He goes back to his favorite orbit and drinks some camomile tea. This sad cascade of violence happens a few more times untill the agitation energy is brought to the other side of the membrane (did i tell you all of this is happening in the membrane of a chloroplast? it is) where quite a lot of ADP and loose P are hanging out being useless little shits. Now, the last agitated electron in the cascade is just as agitated as the first one, even though he knows nothing of the photon that originally started it all. So he grabs1 one of each of these useless bums and smashes their heads together untill they learn to play nice and work together becoming the team known as ATP.
1 ok, technically they were already held by the last protein, and the addition of the energy to the protein leads to a change in its shape that instantly smashes the two bums together, but that was harder to write into the story.
P.S. Ok, so I did remember quite a lot of details. I'm still not entirely sure if ADP + P -> ATP is the reaction that happens at the end though. Could be something else.
P.P.S. This was fun!
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.
See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.
For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.
Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:
Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences
I think I may have missed out one or two...
Yep. I'm a monster.
Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.
:)
You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
Interesting, because it doesn't seem to vary that much from where I'm sitting. Perhaps you should reconsider that.
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
Well, it's certainly not you.
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.
See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.
For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.
Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:
Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences
I think I may have missed out one or two...
Yep. I'm a monster.
Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.
:)
You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.
See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.
For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.
Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:
Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences
I think I may have missed out one or two...
Yep. I'm a monster.
Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.
:)
You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.
Kind words.
(Also, condescending words, but hey, I've gotten used to that... I'm glad that you were able to start acting like a real person right after you got through puberty. Let me ask: do you perceive any further improvement in yourself since then? I emigrated when I was 17, and I still think it was a good move... on the other hand, I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I've only just reached a point where I would say I have successfully dealt with it. I don't wish to get rid of the responsibility: self-medicating with weed for about 25 years certainly didn't help, and yes, I let many an opportunity pass me by because I was distracted by my neurosis. Maybe you were better at it... maybe you were just lucky. Maybe your self-assessment isn't quite right.)
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
No, no, keep the "hole" thing. He's an assholist. And a whistledick. (Thanks, ECH, I like that one.)
The thing is, when people snark at you here, at least the people like Roger, Nigel, ECH, LMNO and Cain, it's because you were perceived as talking like an asshole. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding - in which case everyone is quick to acknowledge this - other times YOU'RE REALLY TALKING LIKE AN ASSHOLE.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
No, no, keep the "hole" thing. He's an assholist. And a whistledick. (Thanks, ECH, I like that one.)
The thing is, when people snark at you here, at least the people like Roger, Nigel, ECH, LMNO and Cain, it's because you were perceived as talking like an asshole. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding - in which case everyone is quick to acknowledge this - other times YOU'RE REALLY TALKING LIKE AN ASSHOLE.
No, no, he has already determined that he is not the "variables".
Which is true, really. He's fairly constant.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
:lol:
I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)
No, no, he has already determined that he is not the "variables".
Which is true, really. He's fairly constant.
What you said, Roger:No, no, he has already determined that he is not the "variables".
Which is true, really. He's fairly constant.
What I said, a little earlier:
"I'm certainly part of it. But I am also certain that not all them pesky underlying variables are driven by me."
Hm.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
:lol:
I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)
HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.
:)
The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.
And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
:lol:
I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)
HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.
:)
The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.
And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.
I'm no linguist, but holism is an English word that comes from a Greek word, 'holos', and a Greek suffix, 'isma'.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
:lol:
I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)
HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.
:)
The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.
And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.
I'm no linguist, but holism is an English word that comes from a Greek word, 'holos', and a Greek suffix, 'isma'.
I took Latin. Enlighten me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hol&oldid=583347110That seems accurate.
I think we need to redefine holism.
It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?
No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
:lol:
I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)
HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.
:)
The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.
And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.
I'm no linguist, but holism is an English word that comes from a Greek word, 'holos', and a Greek suffix, 'isma'.
I took Latin. Enlighten me.
Okay :) Let's meet here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hol).
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hol&oldid=583347110That seems accurate.
Hol is a municipality in Buskerud county, Norway. Holist, on the other hand, is an insufferable twat.
Still doesn't answer my question, since you know it'd Greek then tell me what it means.
No, I will not look it up. As we say in America, ball's in your court. Your responsibility to tell me what it means.
Still doesn't answer my question, since you know it'd Greek then tell me what it means.
No, I will not look it up. As we say in America, ball's in your court. Your responsibility to tell me what it means.
The etymology is interesting: the word was introduced into the English language by a certain South African gent name of Smuts, in 1926, in his book 'Holism and Evolution'.
"This character of "wholeness" meets us everywhere and points to something fundamental in the universe. Holism (from [holos] = whole) is the term here coined for this fundamental factor operative towards the creation of wholes in the universe." - he wrote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hol&oldid=583347110That seems accurate.
Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
Still doesn't answer my question, since you know it'd Greek then tell me what it means.
No, I will not look it up. As we say in America, ball's in your court. Your responsibility to tell me what it means.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
SAD
AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
SAD
AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
SAD
AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
SAD
AND TEMPORARY
Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used. :lulz:
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
SAD
AND TEMPORARY
Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used. :lulz:
So what? Get him banned from contributing to wikipedia. I've been banned dozens of times because of this, as you can see, it is now a bastion of truth and a wellspring of well referenced material, we should all strive to protect Wikipedias fine maiden honour.
Ah, Wikipedia page history is a filthy soaking rag of immortalised vandalisation. The're games based entirely around vandalising wikipedia pages and seeing what true sounding garbage you can insert, the longer it is there the better.And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
SAD
AND TEMPORARY
Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used. :lulz:
So what? Get him banned from contributing to wikipedia. I've been banned dozens of times because of this, as you can see, it is now a bastion of truth and a wellspring of well referenced material, we should all strive to protect Wikipedias fine maiden honour.
No, actually, wrongly assuming the IP was possibly unique to him (of course it probably isn't), I just thought that having the fact that he vandalised a Wikipedia page to stick his tongue out immortalised was kind of funny. My bad, I apologise. :)
Ah, Wikipedia page history is a filthy soaking rag of immortalised vandalisation. The're games based entirely around vandalising wikipedia pages and seeing what true sounding garbage you can insert, the longer it is there the better.And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.Oh man, it's already been taken down.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Still up for me.
SAD
AND TEMPORARY
Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used. :lulz:
So what? Get him banned from contributing to wikipedia. I've been banned dozens of times because of this, as you can see, it is now a bastion of truth and a wellspring of well referenced material, we should all strive to protect Wikipedias fine maiden honour.
No, actually, wrongly assuming the IP was possibly unique to him (of course it probably isn't), I just thought that having the fact that he vandalised a Wikipedia page to stick his tongue out immortalised was kind of funny. My bad, I apologise. :)
Then there are pages that are warzones of changes,
Scientology and the like.
Or this ugly beast: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Fantasy_VII&action=history