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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Dildo Argentino on November 13, 2013, 04:20:53 pm

Title: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 13, 2013, 04:20:53 pm
you are conflating Freedom with Wisdom. Children are generally Free as a default state.

Funny you say that, I was tempted to say you were conflating freedom with heroism/naivety. :)

In my pretty extensive experience of children (who are, indeed, paragons of freedom until the age of about 3-4), I found that while they are hard little bastards who stick up for themselves like there's no tomorrow, they know full well when to shut up and put up. And are largely not suicidal.

Your experiences have been wildly different from mine.

In what way?

The shutting up and not suicidal.

wow, but what age?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 13, 2013, 06:06:14 pm
My little man is 6 and he will literally WALK INTO TRAFFIC before giving up. On anything.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 13, 2013, 06:37:58 pm
Holist, essay on the kid here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35784.0.html
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 13, 2013, 07:00:55 pm
Holist, essay on the kid here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35784.0.html

Some child. Born that way or was he somehow encouraged?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 13, 2013, 08:02:51 pm
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2013, 08:05:08 pm
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.

It's genetic.  Barbarians like QG are naturally going to have children who will one day burn Rome down, plunging the world into a thousand years of night.  With a smile and a wink.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 13, 2013, 08:08:45 pm
If we're ever going to destroy civilisation, we're going to need kids like that.

Couple of dozen ought to do it!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 13, 2013, 09:31:12 pm
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.

Are you entirely serious?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2013, 10:19:52 pm
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.

Are you entirely serious?

 :|

Do you do that intentionally?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 13, 2013, 10:25:34 pm
Depends what you mean. What did I do there?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2013, 10:26:09 pm
Depends what you mean. What did I do there?

Other than imply that she has no idea how to raise kids?

Nothing.  Nothing at all.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 13, 2013, 10:42:12 pm
Depends what you mean. What did I do there?

Other than imply that she has no idea how to raise kids?

Nothing.  Nothing at all.

I did no such thing, you perverted old person!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 13, 2013, 11:31:11 pm
Even if you didn't intend it holist, your line of questioning is hitting the mommy shaming buttons.

You can't make a kid become a force of nature, it's how they are. Some kids are sheer elemental awesomeness, some are really sensitive, and some, like The Little Man, are concentrated little balls of FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY. They're all born square pegs.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 14, 2013, 06:12:58 am
Even if you didn't intend it holist, your line of questioning is hitting the mommy shaming buttons.

You can't make a kid become a force of nature, it's how they are. Some kids are sheer elemental awesomeness, some are really sensitive, and some, like The Little Man, are concentrated little balls of FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY. They're all born square pegs.

They're not all born square pegs, is that what you meant? Or if not, then I'm not following you, can you explain?

Also: let me tell you straight up, I neglected my three oldest children. Nothing major, not 'letting them starve in an unheated hovel' type neglected, I would even say they had well above average childhoods even with that neglecting going on. But I did have to face up to the fact that my own neurosis occupied me to such an extent that I simply did not have the resources/willpower to give them the undivided attention, the 'unconditional positive regard', to use a catchphrase I rather like, they demanded and deserved. That is one of the hardest realisations that I have had to date (I'm 45): I fucked up, and there's no way I'm going to be a really great parent of my three oldest kids now, that boat is gone. What I can do is start being a decent human being and to put effort into maintaining awareness of the fact that my relationship with the boys, if basically positive and convivial, is a little thin, if you know what I mean. We do have those "well hey, I'm glad you're here, what is going on with you these days" conversations, always had them, but they are few and far between.

That said, I am finding it generally very difficult to square your description of the Little Man with what I know about basic decency towards kids and its effects. I'm in no way interested in shaming anyone who is aware that they are doing less than perfectly with their kids and struggle to improve. Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers, yes. I don't mind shaming them.

So with all that in mind, and let me say again that I have very little information, but the short piece on the the Little Man is evocative, it does express an attitude towards a child, and a perception of a child. I imagine it is somewhat exaggerated, for comic effect (he sounds like Calvin a bit), but if I take it at face value, it appears to be the portrait of the parentless, homeless street child. Constantly alert, self-centered, with the entrenched attitude of seeing the world as an enemy and a nuisance, a medium that hinders his ambitions and is out to get him, but he defiantly keeps on keeping on because.... and this I only imagine, the other way (vulnerability way, admitting feelings of inadequacy and confusion way) lies unbearable insecurity and/or humiliation and/or pain. Neglect, hardship and plenty of varied and pretty much constant threats can make a child be that way.

I have 6 children in the house, many of my friends have large families, I have taught in a person-centered school and I am deeply interested in the subject - I have never met a child who was like the one you describe without any reason, purely out of innate character.

I may be about to learn something, though. I do not in any way mean to shame of look down on you, but I am confused about this situation. I will be grateful if you can respond to clarify.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 14, 2013, 01:40:24 pm
Can I get a thread split on the bad mommy?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 01:45:56 pm
Can I get a thread split on the bad mommy?

Done.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 14, 2013, 01:58:50 pm
Thanks DOUR.

All kids are square pegs. All kids meet a world full of round holes. Their reactions to the world trying to shape them into something they're not vary wildly based on temperament, but no kid is born exactly what society wants them to be. Quiet kids are encouraged, shamed, or bullied into being more social; loud kids are shushed; violent kids are put in time out and prison; friendly kids get Stranger Danger lectures.

The Little Man has had it rough. His parents are divorced, he recently lost his grandmother, and he's got another grandparent with a foot out the door. His mom went through a serious rough patch last spring, and now he's in a new school. He is hard because the world is hard and he knows it.

But let me make this very clear: The Little Man was a ball of FUCK YOU from the moment he was born, and no fluffy bullshit would have changed that fact. He is a force of nature unto himself, and my only goal as a parent is to help him learn to direct that energy towards accomplishing his goals instead of screeching like a monkey about every damn thing.



And if you ever, ever use a shitty phrase like "Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers" to describe myself or anyone else on this board again, I am calling Jimmy Walnuts.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:04:00 pm
That said, I am finding it generally very difficult to square your description of the Little Man with what I know about basic decency towards kids and its effects. I'm in no way interested in shaming anyone who is aware that they are doing less than perfectly with their kids and struggle to improve. Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers, yes. I don't mind shaming them.

Stupid fucking hippie.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:07:30 pm
And if you ever, ever use a shitty phrase like "Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers" to describe myself or anyone else on this board again, I am calling Jimmy Walnuts.

REMEMBER, KIDS!  There's only ONE proper way to parent, and our aspiring guru Holist represents that method!  If you don't listen to him, you're a BAD PARENT!

And if your kid has a defiant attitude towards the world, he's homeless.  Or words to that effect.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 14, 2013, 02:08:24 pm
The child's humours must be out of balance.  I suggest leeches and a sulphur enema.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 14, 2013, 02:09:29 pm
Somewhat off topic but dear god man why do you have so many children?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:09:46 pm
The child's humours must be out of balance.  I suggest leeches and a sulphur enema.

And a gallon of patchouli.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 14, 2013, 02:10:33 pm
Somewhat off topic but dear god man why do you have so many children?

Law of averages.  One of them will eventually act the way he wants it to.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:10:54 pm
Somewhat off topic but dear god man why do you have so many children?

"hippie"

I'm just hoping he hasn't named them all Farimir and Gandalf and shit like that.  Or Moonbeam.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 14, 2013, 02:11:39 pm
That said, I am finding it generally very difficult to square your description of the Little Man with what I know about basic decency towards kids and its effects. I'm in no way interested in shaming anyone who is aware that they are doing less than perfectly with their kids and struggle to improve. Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers, yes. I don't mind shaming them.

Stupid fucking hippie.

I like how he equates "less than perfect" with abuse and neglect.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:14:04 pm
That said, I am finding it generally very difficult to square your description of the Little Man with what I know about basic decency towards kids and its effects. I'm in no way interested in shaming anyone who is aware that they are doing less than perfectly with their kids and struggle to improve. Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers, yes. I don't mind shaming them.

Stupid fucking hippie.

I like how he equates "less than perfect" with abuse and neglect.

Well, HE is perfect.  What the hell is keeping YOU from being perfect?

:lulz:

PREDICTION:  This thread's direction will somehow be my fault.  It certainly isn't because of his inability to communicate/insane arrogance/all of the above. 

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 14, 2013, 02:15:35 pm
PREDICTION:  This thread's direction will somehow be my fault.  It certainly isn't because of his inability to communicate/insane arrogance/all of the above.


DOUR™: Does exactly what is says on the tin.  Only, the tin is covered with hair, so you can't read anything.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:17:07 pm
Also, it's not important that the kid be a person.  It is important how YOU rate as a PARENT.

Because that is what this is all about.  Holist is here to show you that he is a BETTER PARENT than ANY OF US.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 14, 2013, 02:17:25 pm
I think holist lives in a perfect world, it is the only explanation that isn't based on him being delusional.
In his world the entire social context for children is supportive and positive.
I wish I lived in that world.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:17:31 pm
PREDICTION:  This thread's direction will somehow be my fault.  It certainly isn't because of his inability to communicate/insane arrogance/all of the above.


DOUR™: Does exactly what is says on the tin.  Only, the tin is covered with hair, so you can't read anything.

That's hardly my fault.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:18:30 pm
I think holist lives in a perfect world, it is the only explanation that isn't based on him being delusional.
In his world the entire social context for children is supportive and positive.
I wish I lived in that world.

I think he's a nutbag who turns EVERYTHING HE SEES into a dominance game.

He's just, you know, not any good at it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 14, 2013, 02:20:16 pm
holist reminds me of the 40 year old guy who went to UMass with me and spent all his time hanging out with 20 year olds and pretending that he was wiser than us because he spent two decades working industrial jobs. He tried to tell me what the meaning of life was, once, and was surprised when I told him to fuck off.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 14, 2013, 02:21:36 pm
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:24:47 pm
holist reminds me of the 40 year old guy who went to UMass with me and spent all his time hanging out with 20 year olds and pretending that he was wiser than us because he spent two decades working industrial jobs. He tried to tell me what the meaning of life was, once, and was surprised when I told him to fuck off.

 :lulz:

That's awesome, because I'm a 45 year old guy who's worked industrial maintenance for the better part of 20 years (with a few breaks for bad behavior), and I don't know SHIT about the meaning of life. 

As an aside, most of my friends are late 20s/30 something or 60 something.  Because all the people within 10 years of my age either way in Tucson are useless boring drunks.  But I don't try to tell anyone the meaning of life because it seems to change every time I almost figure it out.

So I settled on HAVE FUN, KILL A MOTHERFUCKER, and DON'T WORRY ABOUT USELESS SHIT LIKE "THE MEANING OF LIFE".  Oh, and "WHY THE FUCK WON'T THIS GODDAMN ROTARY KILN WORK PROPERLY?"
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 02:25:25 pm
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 14, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Hold on... People don't know the meaning of life?  It's quite simple.


"People aren't wearing enough hats."
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Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 14, 2013, 02:59:06 pm
Dear Holist:

Fuck you.

GA,
Former suicidal child, awesome and amazing parents
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 14, 2013, 03:03:03 pm
I do not know how you would possibly go about encouraging someone to be that.

It's genetic.  Barbarians like QG are naturally going to have children who will one day burn Rome down, plunging the world into a thousand years of night.  With a smile and a wink.

Fun fact: the husband is descended from the nice folks who burned Rome down!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Suu on November 14, 2013, 03:39:22 pm
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 03:39:54 pm
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Suu on November 14, 2013, 03:52:21 pm
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 14, 2013, 04:26:05 pm
So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But Suu, he already feels bad about his own shortcomings, so now he gets to yell at everyone else for theirs! Even if he doesn't know them! Even if his own problems might not even be things that are worth feeling bad about! Since he feels bad about it, now everyone else needs to, too!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 14, 2013, 05:15:09 pm
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.

That explains his mommy-shaming stance, a stance normally taken by CHILDLESS people.

In his mind, he's childless. All those small people are his potential future CULT MEMBERS.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: hirley0 on November 14, 2013, 05:39:09 pm
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.

TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ?  :fnord:  :fap:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 05:40:37 pm
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.

TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ?  :fnord:  :fap:

I believe Hirley0 just LMNeundo'd Suu.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 14, 2013, 05:47:06 pm
As happens quite often, I'm seeing the complete opposite of what the rest of the board is. I'm thinking, it sounds like Holist is having a kneejerk reaction to a kid not being told what's what and toeing lines and do as I say and shit and thinking "fuck me - that kid doesn't fit the system. This cannot be allowed" Like what everybody thought about me, back when I was a tiny little ball of FUCK YOU!

Holist, on the other hand, said "okay" and then spent the next however long trying to get out of that habit. Holist is pissed off when faced with the uncomfortable truth that some kids just see right through the machine and, until we figure out how to game it, all we have is FUCK YOU!

Hell, most of the time, it's still my goto
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2013, 05:27:12 am
Thanks DOUR.

All kids are square pegs. All kids meet a world full of round holes. Their reactions to the world trying to shape them into something they're not vary wildly based on temperament, but no kid is born exactly what society wants them to be. Quiet kids are encouraged, shamed, or bullied into being more social; loud kids are shushed; violent kids are put in time out and prison; friendly kids get Stranger Danger lectures.

The Little Man has had it rough. His parents are divorced, he recently lost his grandmother, and he's got another grandparent with a foot out the door. His mom went through a serious rough patch last spring, and now he's in a new school. He is hard because the world is hard and he knows it.

But let me make this very clear: The Little Man was a ball of FUCK YOU from the moment he was born, and no fluffy bullshit would have changed that fact. He is a force of nature unto himself, and my only goal as a parent is to help him learn to direct that energy towards accomplishing his goals instead of screeching like a monkey about every damn thing.



And if you ever, ever use a shitty phrase like "Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers" to describe myself or anyone else on this board again, I am calling Jimmy Walnuts.

My oldest was born angry and she's still angry. She was an angry baby and an angry kid. She's angry at a world that is an unjust place. She's a social and political activist now, and I'm VERY proud of her. She is an angry, gentle, loving, nurturing, emotionally volatile, justice-seeking, close-to-the-chest human being. Her brother, who is 20 months younger, was born happy and he's still happy, always has been happy. His bad moods are a flash in the pan, he is perceptive and resilient and sunny and impulsive and trouble rolls off his back. People are born with different temperaments. Nurture is only about half the story of personality, if that.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 15, 2013, 05:32:45 am
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.

TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ?  :fnord:  :fap:

I believe Hirley0 just LMNeundo'd Suu.

 :lulz:

Wow! :lol:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 15, 2013, 05:34:57 am
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.

TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ?  :fnord:  :fap:

I believe Hirley0 just LMNeundo'd Suu.

 :lulz:

Wow! :lol:

Seriously, it's the hirlocalypse. I just don't know if it's a revelation of the future or the past. Either way, we'd have it all backwards.

Hirley is bringing a whole new definition to Preterist all up in this bizznass.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 15, 2013, 01:38:41 pm
I'm still really confused about this place that Holist inhabits where children are born into a world that doesn't deserve a good dose of FUCK YOU. And everything is sparkles and sunshine forever.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2013, 02:19:39 pm
I'm still really confused about this place that Holist inhabits where children are born into a world that doesn't deserve a good dose of FUCK YOU. And everything is sparkles and sunshine forever.

That's not important.  What's important is that you're doin' it wrong, and he's here to teach you how to do it right.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Suu on November 15, 2013, 02:56:00 pm
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

...I'll get back in the kitchen now. Gosh these tile floors are cold.

TRYING TO FIND THE PROPER THREAD ?  :fnord:  :fap:

I believe Hirley0 just LMNeundo'd Suu.

 :lulz:

Wow! :lol:

I'm in awe! :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: hirley0 on November 15, 2013, 04:54:15 pm
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35787.msg1311865.html#msg1311865

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I'm in awe! :lulz:

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Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 18, 2013, 11:06:31 pm
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

Golden Applesauce:

Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.

Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:

I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 18, 2013, 11:12:05 pm
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

Golden Applesauce:

Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.

Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:

I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...

:spittake:

This needs to go in the butthurt thread!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 18, 2013, 11:14:10 pm
Truly, it is a thing of beauty which must be preserved for the ages.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 18, 2013, 11:16:11 pm
Daft perhaps. That still doesnt explain why you have so many kids. Unless youre assuming that i dont understand how is babby formed.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 18, 2013, 11:17:30 pm
I like how DOUR's mind lazors were mentioned by the 3rd paragraph.

He's manipulative you know.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 18, 2013, 11:22:24 pm
It's kinda like a template. Bit disappointed that my bit descended into incoherent rambling, when everyone else was treated to a nice, pithy tag line but you know - me and my ego  :oops:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2013, 11:26:23 pm
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

Golden Applesauce:

Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.

Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:

I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

 :lol:

Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 18, 2013, 11:26:39 pm
Golden Applesauce:

Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

Yes, and I've even posted it to the forum before. But I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 18, 2013, 11:28:24 pm

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

 :lol:

Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.

I still like him but I don't think he likes us anymore  :sadbanana:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2013, 11:32:41 pm
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.

What a dick.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2013, 11:37:56 pm
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

Golden Applesauce:

Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.

Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:

I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

 :lol:

Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.

He's ill.  Seriously.  Trust me when I say someone's nuts.  I can SMELL it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2013, 11:38:42 pm
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.

What a dick.  :lulz:

He lives in a mantion.  You live in a tense.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2013, 11:42:35 pm
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.

I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.

So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2013, 11:43:45 pm
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

And yet here you are! 

Quote
Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

I'd just twist your words around, anyway.

Quote
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

And he makes so much money, he could even afford to pay someone to sleep with you.  No, really.

Doesn't that make ya mad?  It would make ME mad.

Quote
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

Do you pull that sort of shit on your kids?  I bet you do.
Quote
I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

You've done a bang up job of that here, let me tell you.

Quote
Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.


GURU.  Why can't You People LISTEN to him?

Quote
I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties.

Well, there's a lifestyle I want to emulate.  But my filthy addition to piles of filthy, sweaty lucre prevents it. :(
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2013, 11:44:30 pm
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.

I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.

So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:

But you don't have a man taking care of you.  That makes Holist a sad, sad panda.  :(
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 18, 2013, 11:46:29 pm
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.

I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.

So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:

If only you'd thought to sell your frontal lobes instead of educating them. Then you could have afforded better childcare than your frontal-lobe-damaged-uneducated-brain could have provided!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2013, 11:46:39 pm
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.

What a dick.  :lulz:

He lives in a mantion.  You live in a tense.

Yes; and clearly any lack of happiness or money I may experience is the result of my poor choices. If I'd made better choices, I wouldn't be a divorced mother of color, I'd have been born a wealthy white man.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2013, 11:48:00 pm
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.

What a dick.  :lulz:

He lives in a mantion.  You live in a tense.

Yes; and clearly any lack of happiness or money I may experience is the result of my poor choices. If I'd made better choices, I wouldn't be a divorced mother of color, I'd have been born a wealthy white man.

Obviously.

Holist would still have your dick up his ass, of course.  It would just be a white dick.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2013, 11:49:08 pm
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.

I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.

So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:

If only you'd thought to sell your frontal lobes instead of educating them. Then you could have afforded better childcare than your frontal-lobe-damaged-uneducated-brain could have provided!

If I'd known my place, I wouldn't have ended up in this place, amirite?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 18, 2013, 11:51:23 pm
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2013, 11:53:33 pm
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.

This explains his opulent lifestyle, you see.  If You People would just listen to his sage advice, you'd all be doing just fine.

And you might even get a piece of that fine hippie ass while you're at it. 

HE'S AVAILABLE, LADIES!1







1  This is not a limited-time offer.  In fact, it can be considered valid for the rest of his natural life, for reasons that are not clear.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2013, 11:59:55 pm
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 12:04:30 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 12:06:56 am
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.

Just saying.

Oh god, I know. It's awful.  :sad:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 12:07:31 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 12:07:44 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

You People are not being rational.

He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY. 

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 12:08:22 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

That was a fucking TRIUMPH!  It's just that the British were TOO FUCKING STUPID to acknowledge his WISDOM.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 12:11:43 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

You People are not being rational.

He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY. 

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

SO UNBELIEVABLY HAPPY AND DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT.

HAPPY, GODDAMNIT.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 19, 2013, 12:12:40 am
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LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.


So's your mom.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 12:15:05 am
Quote
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.


So's your mom.

:lulz:

For a given value of "line".  That was awesome.

GAME VERY OVERED.  LMNO WINS.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 12:19:38 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

Maybe we should move to the UK and have a lot of babies. Not together, mind you, Villager wouldn't approve of that.

Quote
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.


So's your mom.

:mittens:
^^
I finally get to use the emote appropriately
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 12:20:52 am

Maybe we should move to the UK and have a lot of babies. Not together, mind you, Villager wouldn't approve of that.

And then Twid was an amoeba.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 12:23:17 am

Maybe we should move to the UK and have a lot of babies. Not together, mind you, Villager wouldn't approve of that.

And then Twid was an amoeba.

I can divide indefinitely.

1/1=1
2/1=2
3/1=3
4/2=2...
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 12:26:07 am
Quite honestly though, I'm  missing the joke there.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 19, 2013, 12:28:54 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 19, 2013, 12:29:27 am
Quite honestly though, I'm  missing the joke there.

(babies by yourself -> asexual reproduction)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 12:31:11 am
Quite honestly though, I'm  missing the joke there.

(babies by yourself -> asexual reproduction)

Oh, I actually did get it?  :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 12:31:44 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 12:32:02 am
Quite honestly though, I'm  missing the joke there.

(babies by yourself -> asexual reproduction)

Oh, I actually did get it?  :)

You win an interbutts.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 19, 2013, 12:54:52 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.

Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.



Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:

Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 12:57:08 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.

Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.



Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:

Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.

Stack it up next to shitbreath telling Nigel and QG what bad mommies they are.

Cry me a river.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 01:05:44 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.

Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.



Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:

Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.

Yes, because pointing out that adding an excessive amount of children per couple in an overpopulated world is irresponsible is the same as telling the youngest kid that they shouldn't exist.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 01:08:27 am
Let's put it this way.

When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.

You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:11:05 am
Pffft.

GA saw a chance for a cheap shot.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 01:12:25 am
Pffft.

GA saw a chance for a cheap shot.

I understand the sentiment behind it, but, come on. There's clearly a point where a vasectomy is recommended.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:14:10 am
Let's just try GA's "logic" out on some other social issues, shall we?

"If you don't agree with Israel's policies, I want to imagine you taking a shit on a mass grave at Auschwitz."

"If you don't hate all cops, I want you to imagine telling Rodney King to walk it off."

"If you don't agree with WalMart's HR policies, I want you to imagine slipping Stalin a bit of tongue."
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 19, 2013, 01:14:45 am
It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:16:14 am
It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."

Not the point.  GA saw a chance to get a "gotcha" in.  That's what he was here for.

It's what he does.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:17:14 am
Also, with a WORLD population of 7.23 Bn people, why NOT cram people into every available space?

But pointing that out is JUST THE SAME as saying rotten shit to a 4 year old.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 01:17:52 am
It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."

I flat out asked him. He refused to answer and decided to call me daft instead. Even if US birthrates are below replacement rate, that doesn't take into consideration how much of the world's resources the US consumes, and why a reduction in US population (or UK population, in this case) would kinda be a good thing.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 01:19:53 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

That's a good point.

But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:20:39 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

That's a good point.

But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?

Check out shithead's follow up post.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:22:32 am
You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.

DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:25:06 am
Let's put it this way.

When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.

You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.

"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."

And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING.  Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children.  Ever.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 01:29:32 am
I mean, clearly the fact that my oldest daughter has a classically choleric personality type and is aggressively angry about social injustice is an indication that she suffered abuse due to my failure as a mother, right? That of course is totally different from him knocking up a couple women and spawning more kids than he can adequately take care of.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 01:32:15 am
That said, I don't give a fuck about people in developed countries having big families, because the population issue is complicated. Poverty and lack of education and birth control opportunities for women in poor and patriarchal countries are far more of a problem than some lower-middle-class jackass in Hungary having a fuckton of kids.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 01:32:25 am
Let's put it this way.

When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.

You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.

"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."

And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING.  Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children.  Ever.

I'm not going to hold it against her because I can see her point. My point is different, and it's the same point you're making. It makes perfect sense to have as many children as possible if you expect a good chunk of them will die. But in an industrialized nation, it actually is depriving others. Because adding one American is like adding several people elsewhere. And you know, it's not like that one person isn't eventually going to have a bit of a carbon footprint larger than they would elsewhere in the world, heating the planet up even further and making FOOD and WATER even more scarce, thus indirectly fucking over the third world even more.

Being an American with 10 children is like being a Cthulhu worshipper. You get eaten last.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:32:58 am
I mean, clearly the fact that my oldest daughter has a classically choleric personality type and is aggressively angry about social injustice is an indication that she suffered abuse due to my failure as a mother, right? That of course is totally different from him knocking up a couple women and spawning more kids than he can adequately take care of.

But wait!  The man isn't responsible for how many kids are born!  That's a mommy shaming thing.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 01:35:26 am
Let's put it this way.

When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.

You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.

"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."

And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING.  Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children.  Ever.

I'm not going to hold it against her because I can see her point. My point is different, and it's the same point you're making. It makes perfect sense to have as many children as possible if you expect a good chunk of them will die don't have any other options because you live in a region where you can't get birth control and are considered a possession whose only value is reproduction.

Being an American with 10 children is like being a Cthulhu worshipper. You get eaten last.

Just want to AGAIN point out that overpopulation has nothing to do with people in developed countries having large families. It has to do with poverty and lack of opportunities and birth control in developing countries.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 01:35:52 am
I'm still having fun with GA's logic.

Let's just try GA's "logic" out on some other social issues, shall we?

"If you don't agree with Israel's policies, I want to imagine you taking a shit on a mass grave at Auschwitz."

"If you don't hate all cops, I want you to imagine telling Rodney King to walk it off."

"If you don't agree with WalMart's HR policies, I want you to imagine slipping Stalin a bit of tongue."

I mean, he has probably been sitting on that facebook/email forward for MONTHS waiting for his chance.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 01:37:26 am
Let's put it this way.

When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.

You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.

"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."

And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING.  Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children.  Ever.

I'm not going to hold it against her because I can see her point. My point is different, and it's the same point you're making. It makes perfect sense to have as many children as possible if you expect a good chunk of them will die don't have any other options because you live in a region where you can't get birth control and are considered a possession whose only value is reproduction.

Being an American with 10 children is like being a Cthulhu worshipper. You get eaten last.

Just want to AGAIN point out that overpopulation has nothing to do with people in developed countries having large families. It has to do with poverty and lack of opportunities and birth control in developing countries.

Not disagreeing with that either. I was going to make a point about availability of birth control and women's education too, but you already did an able job of it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 01:50:34 am
Anyway, the point I was making was that within Holist's conditions, having that amount of children is in fact a bit shocking on a few different levels, and I don't feel like I am shaming him or the missus by pointing it out. I really want to know what the rationale behind it was, because they clearly have access to birth control in the UK, don't really need to have more than 2 or 3 children from a survival angle, and unless Holist has pound sterling shooting out of his asshole, those children actually compete for resources rather than benefit by it. I mean, I could be wrong. Holist might well be a rich motherfucker who can support a large number of children and spread relative, Western, economic comfort equally among them.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 19, 2013, 02:29:11 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.

Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.



Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:

Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.
I feel like this attack is aimed at me since i am one of those horrible people who thinks that the worldpopulation has at least 1 digit too much.
Therefore, my response:
I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids. I do feel the need to get them to think about overpopulation and about the balance between life-quality and life-quantity.
There is a clear line between asking someone not to have a 7th child (which I am not doing. But alright, I will play that role for the sake of argument) and being mean to the 6th child. And just in case you don't understand the difference: The 6th child is real and innocent so should not be hurt while the 7th child cannot be hurt yet because it doesn't exist yet. Stop defending imaginary children, that is unhealthy and silly. (annoying isn't it, when somebody paints an inaccurate picture of your position. That is called a strawman iirc)
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:31:10 am
It comes down to this:  What kind of world do you want?

One with 10 billion people in it?

One with 2 or 3 billion people in it?


Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 02:31:12 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

Sometimes you just have to dive in the gutter and wallow.

Oh, definitely. I don't think I'm in the mood tonight, though. I *might* be able to push some new content out over in TFY;S if I try, but don't hold your breath.



Is this thing on? Good, now
LISTEN UP SCHMUCKS:
The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids,
I want you to imagine walking up to their youngest daughter,
four years old, and telling her:

Your mommy and daddy are bad parents because they chose to have you.
I feel like this attack is aimed at me since i am one of those horrible people who thinks that the worldpopulation has at least 1 digit too much.
Therefore, my response:
I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids. I do feel the need to get them to think about overpopulation and about the balance between life-quality and life-quantity.
There is a clear line between asking someone not to have a 7th child (which I am not doing. But alright, I will play that role for the sake of argument) and being mean to the 6th child. And just in case you don't understand the difference: The 6th child is real and innocent so should not be hurt while the 7th child cannot be hurt yet because it doesn't exist yet. Stop defending imaginary children, that is unhealthy and silly. (annoying isn't it, when somebody paints an inaccurate picture of your position. That is called a strawman iirc)
Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

All of this.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:31:48 am

Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

Hey, he's been waiting WEEKS to spring that line, most likely.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:37:37 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 02:43:49 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:44:32 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.

Hard to tell, with this tire track in the middle of my face.     :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 02:46:38 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.

Hard to tell, with this tire track in the middle of my face.     :lulz:

My face too.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:48:30 am
PD.COM:  WE WOULD SELL OUR GRANNIES FOR A CHEAP SHOT.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:53:03 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 02:53:46 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

Tres interessant, mon frere.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:04:19 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

Tres interessant, mon frere.

There you go with that Irish crap again.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:06:23 am
You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.

DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll

Given that it's PD, this might have been a little harsh.

"We'd sell our grannies for an epigram" and all.

But I will definitely ride this hosrie for all it's worth.

:hosrie::lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 03:11:09 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

Tres interessant, mon frere.

There you go with that Irish crap again.

But.... but....
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:11:38 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

Tres interessant, mon frere.

There you go with that Irish crap again.

But.... but....

Downright un-fucking-American, that's what it is.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 03:13:07 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

Tres interessant, mon frere.

There you go with that Irish crap again.

But.... but....

Downright un-fucking-American, that's what it is.

Well, yes, that is accurate.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 19, 2013, 03:13:55 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.

My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.

regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:18:52 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.

My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.

regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.

I think we should get back on track, here.

1.  I am reasonably certain that mom didn't spend all her time telling everyone else what bad parents they are.  Pretty sure you wouldn't be defending her if she did.

2.  I am reasonably sure that woman isn't a misogynistic turdball who worries about how mothers are DOIN' IT WRONG because THEY HAVE NO MAN TO GUIDE THEM.

This isn't a case of "tell those fuckers to stop breeding", it's a case of pointing out a hypocrite who farts out all manner of criticism while fucking the family dog.  Go home, holist, you're drunk.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 19, 2013, 03:23:50 am
She was awesome. holist is dogshit. I think we're all in agreement on that point.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 03:31:27 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.

My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.

regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.

It's all good yo.

I know exactly what you're saying, and I know there are often complex reasons for people to have many many children, or vice versa. My mom was 1 of 10. But, you know, Grandpa fought in the Pacific, survived the war, and was a good Catholic with a long enough marriage with a Catholic woman stretching from the early 1950s until his death in 1979.

My dad is an only child from rural Ireland who only became an only child because Grandma got polio and ended up paralyzed from the waist down. They were also good Catholics. Good Catholics who for completely unforseen reasons were not fruitful and ended up dividing by half.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:32:16 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.

My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.

regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.

It's all good yo.

I know exactly what you're saying, and I know there are often complex reasons for people to have many many children, or vice versa. My mom was 1 of 10. But, you know, Grandpa fought in the Pacific, survived the war, and was a good Catholic with a long enough marriage with a Catholic woman stretching from the early 1950s until his death in 1979.

My dad is an only child from rural Ireland who only became an only child because Grandma got polio and ended up paralyzed from the waist down. They were also good Catholics. Good Catholics who for completely unforseen reasons were not fruitful and ended up dividing by half.

Oh, ouch.  Rough.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 03:34:17 am
And why point out that birth control issues, equal rights issues, and poverty are actually things, when you can toss people under the bus by half-assedly saying it's "mommy shaming".

Because we all know that women will use a vacuum cleaner on men if that's what it takes to get the sperm out.  Men have no interest in reproduction or the sometimes-irresponsible methods by which it is achieved.  It is apparently the woman's fault.

Or so I am told.

I don't think that was Gogira's point, though I think if she chose the phrase "parent shaming" it would have been more accurate.

My bad, Roger and Twid, you're right about the gendered terms. The thread title was mommy shaming and that's what came out.

regret, you're totally right that talking about hypothetical future children is different from talking about existing kids. I think what I was trying to say (won't speak for GA) is that a lot of times when people say "why did you have so many kids?" what is heard is "those kids that exist should not be" and however accurate that might be from a statistical standpoint it's still kinda gross. I knew a mom of many kids and she got all flavors of shit she didn't deserve from people because of it, which is definitely flavoring my response to this.

It's all good yo.

I know exactly what you're saying, and I know there are often complex reasons for people to have many many children, or vice versa. My mom was 1 of 10. But, you know, Grandpa fought in the Pacific, survived the war, and was a good Catholic with a long enough marriage with a Catholic woman stretching from the early 1950s until his death in 1979.

My dad is an only child from rural Ireland who only became an only child because Grandma got polio and ended up paralyzed from the waist down. They were also good Catholics. Good Catholics who for completely unforseen reasons were not fruitful and ended up dividing by half.

Oh, ouch.  Rough.

Yep. Only son of an only son.

Twidgramps and Twidgrams remained a loving couple the entire time. And we all pretty much told Gramps to shut up when he said that he was a subpar husband.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:38:27 am


Yep. Only son of an only son.

Twidgramps and Twidgrams remained a loving couple the entire time. And we all pretty much told Gramps to shut up when he said that he was a subpar husband.

Plenty of assholes would have headed for the hills.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 03:41:55 am


Yep. Only son of an only son.

Twidgramps and Twidgrams remained a loving couple the entire time. And we all pretty much told Gramps to shut up when he said that he was a subpar husband.

Plenty of assholes would have headed for the hills.

I made that point. If there's a good spot in the hypothetical afterlife, they both have more than earned it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 03:43:24 am
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:45:23 am
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.

Well, you know...the Irish ignore anything they can't drink or punch.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 19, 2013, 03:50:13 am
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial. Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control? If that's the kind of shit you say, then yes, sooner or later a child of a large family will overhear you. Maybe not directly, maybe it's just your kid going up to their kid on the playground and saying "My mom said that your mom has more kids than brains." While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."

It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights. If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids, then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?

QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling. If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.

If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.

Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?

The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids...

I feel like this attack is aimed at me ... I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids.

-2 points for reading comprehension.

Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

Man we go to different grocery stores. Of the top of my head, evangelicals tend to gravitate towards this sort script:
"Is that a lip piercing? You're going to hell. Stop trying to be punky rebel and go to church like your parents."
"My parents said it was okay."
"Your parents are AGENTS OF SATAN."


Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

Hey, he's been waiting WEEKS to spring that line, most likely.

Can we analyze this comment? There's no knowledge transfer - all you've got is vaguely derisive speculation. It's pure phatic communication. Not that there's anything wrong with that, phatic communication is really important in building relationships and communities. It's just that with this post, I get the feeling that you're trying to build relationships at my expense. Like trying to build an in-group out-group paradigm.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 19, 2013, 03:51:27 am
I didn't read GA's post as a "here's a chance to get a kick in" it read more to me like "this 'why do you have so many children' trope is a hot button of mine and I'm hesitant to bring it up because fuck holist" followed by "okay, actually, I can't not mention this, here are my feels."
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 03:55:03 am
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.

Well, you know...the Irish ignore anything they can't drink or punch.   :lulz:

Oh god, Grandpa never punched Grandma.

Nightmare fodder.

Truth be told, my favorite Grandma/Grandpa story did involve him being drunk and merry, and her being annoyed with him. I'll start up a new thread if you care to hear it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:58:42 am
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial.

Well, it was a bullshit argument.

It's like saying "If you oppose capital punishment, I want you to imagine laughing in Sharon Tate's surviving relatives' faces"

How did you not expect it to be controversial?

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Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control?

False equivalence.  That's more akin to the jerk on the plane telling a lady to shut her infant up, while the cabin pressure changes.

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If that's the kind of shit you say, then yes, sooner or later a child of a large family will overhear you. Maybe not directly, maybe it's just your kid going up to their kid on the playground and saying "My mom said that your mom has more kids than brains." While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."

Woooooow.   :lulz:  That's AWESOME.  Why not go all the way and say "If you are concerned about the number of the people on the planet, that's the same as chucking Jews in the gas chambers"?  I mean, why half-ass this sort of thing?

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It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights. If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids, then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?

No, it all comes back to you having to get a shot in, even if it means supporting Holist's misogynist ass.

Well done, that man.

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QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling. If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.

I am so glad you are here to defend holist by judgey concern trolling our judgey concern trolling.

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If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.

How many have you helped provide for?  Or are you just not concerned about the children?

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Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?

1.  Grammar Nazi:  "Their".

2.  Who says we shouldn't?  Strawman arguments are the last resort of the holist-groupie.


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-2 points for reading comprehension.

- 10 points for being a jerk.

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Man we go to different grocery stores. Of the top of my head, evangelicals tend to gravitate towards this sort script:
"Is that a lip piercing? You're going to hell. Stop trying to be punky rebel and go to church like your parents."
"My parents said it was okay."
"Your parents are AGENTS OF SATAN."

Not sure what that has to do with shit.

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Can we analyze this comment? There's no knowledge transfer - all you've got is vaguely derisive speculation. It's pure phatic communication. Not that there's anything wrong with that, phatic communication is really important in building relationships and communities. It's just that with this post, I get the feeling that you're trying to build relationships at my expense. Like trying to build an in-group out-group paradigm.

Mind control lasers.  I has them.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 03:59:17 am
I didn't read GA's post as a "here's a chance to get a kick in"

I did. It's what he does.

ETA:  Examples on request.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 04:00:18 am
Also, the holist-groupie/defending holist points were put in because, you know, if he can smear everyone in shit in an effort to demonstrate his ideological purity, I can too.

 :lulz:

ETA:  because whereas Nigel and QG brought up the very real problems facing parents with multiple children, and how that occurred in some cases, GA is here to white knight and show us all how much more pure he is than we savages.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 04:01:44 am
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.

Well, you know...the Irish ignore anything they can't drink or punch.   :lulz:

Oh god, Grandpa never punched Grandma.

Nightmare fodder.

Truth be told, my favorite Grandma/Grandpa story did involve him being drunk and merry, and her being annoyed with him. I'll start up a new thread if you care to hear it.

Aw, sorry Twid.  I wouldn't expect he did.  I just can't resist a rip on non-Cornish people. 

(We ignore everything we can't drink or stick a pick axe through.)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:09:42 am
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial. Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control?

No, actually. Not once.

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While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."

Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

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It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights.

No, it doesn't. I'm not disputing your right to have as many children as you want, I just question the wisdom of it after a certain point. Especially if someone else's kids elsewhere are being deprived as a result.

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If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids

Actually, I'm not. I'm a socialist. I would prefer that wealthy people not have kids at all. I'm just saying that if they, for some  reason choose to, they can provide for all of those children and give them all a fair chance. Who has a better chance of thriving? All ten kids of a billionnaire or one of ten from a middle class couple?

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then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?

Strawman.

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QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling.

I'm not trolling. Judgy perhaps, but not trolling. And certainly concerned. I'm more concerned with the survival of my species than the survival of my name.

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If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.

My girlfriend is obese. She also is incapable of eating most foods or a significant amount of calories. So, um, in your own words, go fuck yourself.

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If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.

Here's the thing dude. I expressed shock over the amount of baby batter that Holist has been slinging around. I asked for clarification and expressed my concerns. He has not clarified and has instead decided to call me stupid without answering my question.

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Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?

Why don't we? Excellent question.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:11:27 am
To be fair, though, they did argue a lot. They were an elderly Irish couple and Grandpa is easy to anger. I get that from him, actually. I'm a bit hot tempered myself. My shyness just balances it out.

Well, you know...the Irish ignore anything they can't drink or punch.   :lulz:

Oh god, Grandpa never punched Grandma.

Nightmare fodder.

Truth be told, my favorite Grandma/Grandpa story did involve him being drunk and merry, and her being annoyed with him. I'll start up a new thread if you care to hear it.

Aw, sorry Twid.  I wouldn't expect he did.  I just can't resist a rip on non-Cornish people. 

(We ignore everything we can't drink or stick a pick axe through.)

I was making a joke too.

Of course they got their monkey on.

I'm here, aren't I?

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 04:13:44 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:17:24 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

Naturally.

Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.

And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 04:18:21 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

Naturally.

Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.

And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.

Sure.  It was the end of feudalism.  Created a labor shortage.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:22:05 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

Naturally.

Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.

And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.

Sure.  It was the end of feudalism.  Created a labor shortage.

Most certainly. It also decimated established aristocracy, since none were exempt. It would have been the equivalent if the board of directors suddenly had a bunch of open positions, and all may apply.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:23:28 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

Naturally.

Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.

And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.

Sure.  It was the end of feudalism.  Created a labor shortage.

Most certainly. It also decimated established aristocracy, since none were exempt. It would have been the equivalent if the board of directors suddenly had a bunch of open positions, and all may apply.

There was even one lonely Irish monk, the only survivor in his monastery, who was convinced that the world had in fact ended, and he was the only human left alive.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 04:25:45 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

Naturally.

Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.

And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.

Sure.  It was the end of feudalism.  Created a labor shortage.

Most certainly. It also decimated established aristocracy, since none were exempt. It would have been the equivalent if the board of directors suddenly had a bunch of open positions, and all may apply.

Yeah, well, that wouldn't help your average serf much, politically-wise (unless he went into the church).  What it DID do was sever the serf from the land, so that he could almost name his price for his labor.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 04:26:16 am

There was even one lonely Irish monk, the only survivor in his monastery, who was convinced that the world had in fact ended, and he was the only human left alive.

Something similar happened in Germany, IIRC.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 19, 2013, 04:39:20 am
Here, this is a better example:

It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."

You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.

DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll

If you approached this with the right wrong maximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:

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Attention weak and vulnerable female:

You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.

Ook, ook ook.

You'd have to go through some mental gymnastics and willfully forget a lot of things to arrive at that interpretation, but you could do it if you were sufficiently motivated. I don't know why anybody would, though.

(http://i.imgur.com/zihmrB3.jpg)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 19, 2013, 04:43:51 am
I didn't read GA's post as a "here's a chance to get a kick in" it read more to me like "this 'why do you have so many children' trope is a hot button of mine and I'm hesitant to bring it up because fuck holist" followed by "okay, actually, I can't not mention this, here are my feels."

Weird, that's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote it. It's like you have some kind of literary telepathy or something.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:43:54 am
Here, this is a better example:

It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."

You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.

DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll

If you approached this with the right wrong maximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:

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Attention weak and vulnerable female:

You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.

Ook, ook ook.

You'd have to go through some mental gymnastics and willfully forget a lot of things to arrive at that interpretation, but you could do it if you were sufficiently motivated. I don't know why anybody would, though.

(http://i.imgur.com/zihmrB3.jpg)

What about my points?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:45:52 am
Also, Gogira isn't a weak and vulnerable female.

I would be loathe to make her cross. I respect her opinion, and will defend her opinion even when I disagree with it, if only for her integrity.


Not that she needs my support anyway. I'm just trying to make sure she doesn't do that thing to me that we don't speak of....
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 04:51:20 am
But no, seriously, I actually do hold Gogira's opinions in high regard. She would have to do something quite egregious to lose that regard, and I don't see her doing that anytime in this incarnation. She's one of those folk that if she told me I was wrong, I would actually consider the fact that I was. And if I decided to continue to disagree with her on that point, I would have to make damn sure I was certain.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 19, 2013, 04:58:26 am
Twid, you're the bestest <3

GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 05:00:05 am
Twid, you're the bestest <3

GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.

I'll go for bester. Bestest is a lot to live up to.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 19, 2013, 05:02:04 am
Twid, you're the bestest <3

GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.

I'll go for bester. Bestest is a lot to live up to.

To be fair, I'm pretty liberal with my superlatives.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 05:02:52 am
Twid, you're the bestest <3

GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.

I'll go for bester. Bestest is a lot to live up to.

To be fair, I'm pretty liberal with my superlatives.

As long as it's not Most Bestissimus, I think we can reach common ground.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Ben Shapiro on November 19, 2013, 05:36:57 am
It comes down to this:  What kind of world do you want?

One with 10 billion people in it?

One with 2 or 3 billion people in it?




What kind of people? If you know what I mean. 10 Billion because I'm a horrible bastard.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 05:38:28 am
It comes down to this:  What kind of world do you want?

One with 10 billion people in it?

One with 2 or 3 billion people in it?




What kind of people? If you know what I mean. 10 Billion because I'm a horrible bastard.

Houston breeds masochists, obviously...
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Ben Shapiro on November 19, 2013, 05:39:51 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

Men are savages with no feelings?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 05:47:57 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

Men are savages with no feelings?

We are savages with feelings.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 19, 2013, 06:14:43 am
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.

You don't want me to use other's interactions with you as illustrations for rhetorical points. That's fair, and I'll respect that.

It's the bolded bit that gets to me. My direct interaction with holist in this thread so far as been:

Dear Holist:

Fuck you.

I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."

plus this comment:

On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.

I feel that those statements are 1) straightforward, and 2) strongly characterize my relationship with holist in this thread as antagonistic. Given later ambiguous input, they would strongly influence interpretation of that ambiguity towards one consistent with an antagonistic relationship. I don't find it plausible that you honestly believe I'm trying to champion holist.

Which begs the question of why you'd type that out. The most generous interpretation I have is that I crossed an extremely important line, and you wanted to shock me into paying attention. Least generous is that you wanted to wound me, and accuracy be damned as long as it was hurtful - but that's not consistent with earlier observations of you being generally reasonable, thoughtful, and of not being suddenly and spontaneously spiteful.

The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours. That's behavior I associate with people insecure in their standing in an important group, which, again, is not consistent with earlier observations of you. I read the bulk of your interactions with other established members as indicative of a confident peer-to-peer relationship, and from others get the impression that you're generally well respected. You could have not posted that and been fine. Apart from holist and arguably that one comment from Roger, no one's been attacking you in this thread; to the contrary, the entire thread up to the point when I used impact font was the board broadly telling holist that trying to make mothers feel guilty about their children was misogynistic and unacceptable. So I'm not aware of anything that would cause you to suddenly start feeling insecure or otherwise begin to act out of character, which means that I have a hard time taking the intermediate position either.

Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 06:23:25 am
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.

You don't want me to use other's interactions with you as illustrations for rhetorical points. That's fair, and I'll respect that.

It's the bolded bit that gets to me. My direct interaction with holist in this thread so far as been:

Dear Holist:

Fuck you.

I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."

plus this comment:

On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.

I feel that those statements are 1) straightforward, and 2) strongly characterize my relationship with holist in this thread as antagonistic. Given later ambiguous input, they would strongly influence interpretation of that ambiguity towards one consistent with an antagonistic relationship. I don't find it plausible that you honestly believe I'm trying to champion holist.

Which begs the question of why you'd type that out. The most generous interpretation I have is that I crossed an extremely important line, and you wanted to shock me into paying attention. Least generous is that you wanted to wound me, and accuracy be damned as long as it was hurtful - but that's not consistent with earlier observations of you being generally reasonable, thoughtful, and of not being suddenly and spontaneously spiteful.

The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours. That's behavior I associate with people insecure in their standing in an important group, which, again, is not consistent with earlier observations of you. I read the bulk of your interactions with other established members as indicative of a confident peer-to-peer relationship, and from others get the impression that you're generally well respected. You could have not posted that and been fine. Apart from holist and arguably that one comment from Roger, no one's been attacking you in this thread; to the contrary, the entire thread up to the point when I used impact font was the board broadly telling holist that trying to make mothers feel guilty about their children was misogynistic and unacceptable. So I'm not aware of anything that would cause you to suddenly start feeling insecure or otherwise begin to act out of character, which means that I have a hard time taking the intermediate position either.

Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?

Or it could be that you're reading too much into it after your points have already become tedious and untenable.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 06:25:19 am
Here, this is a better example:

It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."

You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.

DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll

If you approached this with the right wrong maximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:

Quote
Attention weak and vulnerable female:

You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.

Ook, ook ook.

You'd have to go through some mental gymnastics and willfully forget a lot of things to arrive at that interpretation, but you could do it if you were sufficiently motivated. I don't know why anybody would, though.

(http://i.imgur.com/zihmrB3.jpg)

What about my points?

BUMP
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 06:55:45 am
Anyway, the point I was making was that within Holist's conditions, having that amount of children is in fact a bit shocking on a few different levels, and I don't feel like I am shaming him or the missus by pointing it out. I really want to know what the rationale behind it was, because they clearly have access to birth control in the UK, don't really need to have more than 2 or 3 children from a survival angle, and unless Holist has pound sterling shooting out of his asshole, those children actually compete for resources rather than benefit by it. I mean, I could be wrong. Holist might well be a rich motherfucker who can support a large number of children and spread relative, Western, economic comfort equally among them.

They're from 2 or 3 different mothers, if I'm not mistaken. Most likely the burden of supporting them has fallen primarily on the mothers.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 06:57:24 am
Anyway, the point I was making was that within Holist's conditions, having that amount of children is in fact a bit shocking on a few different levels, and I don't feel like I am shaming him or the missus by pointing it out. I really want to know what the rationale behind it was, because they clearly have access to birth control in the UK, don't really need to have more than 2 or 3 children from a survival angle, and unless Holist has pound sterling shooting out of his asshole, those children actually compete for resources rather than benefit by it. I mean, I could be wrong. Holist might well be a rich motherfucker who can support a large number of children and spread relative, Western, economic comfort equally among them.

I think they live in Hungary or some other 3rd world country, not the UK. If I recall, they tried moving to the UK a year or so ago, and they couldn't hack it so they moved back to the jungle or wherever.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:01:27 am
Oh. Well, that's a literal dick move on Holist's part. No wonder he was an admittedly shitty father to the first three.

Though, even that said, If I had 3 kids with wife number one and got divorced, I would probably try and woo a woman who already had children and had no desire for any more. You know, emotional support is a resource too, like.

That's just me though.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:03:27 am
I'd probably have an issue with my father too if he divorced my mom and fecked off to the UK.

Oh.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:13:05 am
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial. Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control? If that's the kind of shit you say, then yes, sooner or later a child of a large family will overhear you. Maybe not directly, maybe it's just your kid going up to their kid on the playground and saying "My mom said that your mom has more kids than brains." While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."

It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights. If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids, then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?

QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling. If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.

If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.

Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?

The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids...

I feel like this attack is aimed at me ... I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids.

-2 points for reading comprehension.

Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

Man we go to different grocery stores. Of the top of my head, evangelicals tend to gravitate towards this sort script:
"Is that a lip piercing? You're going to hell. Stop trying to be punky rebel and go to church like your parents."
"My parents said it was okay."
"Your parents are AGENTS OF SATAN."


Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

Hey, he's been waiting WEEKS to spring that line, most likely.

Can we analyze this comment? There's no knowledge transfer - all you've got is vaguely derisive speculation. It's pure phatic communication. Not that there's anything wrong with that, phatic communication is really important in building relationships and communities. It's just that with this post, I get the feeling that you're trying to build relationships at my expense. Like trying to build an in-group out-group paradigm.

We definitely buy groceries in different places.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:15:23 am
Wow, I really didn't expect that to be controversial. Have none of you ever seen people making snide remarks in grocery stores about people who have more children than they can control? If that's the kind of shit you say, then yes, sooner or later a child of a large family will overhear you. Maybe not directly, maybe it's just your kid going up to their kid on the playground and saying "My mom said that your mom has more kids than brains." While we're grossly exaggerating what people actually said, saying it's okay to think of human beings as wastes of space as long as we don't tell them to their face is like saying "Being racist is fine, as long as you're tactful about it. What they won't know won't hurt them."

It all comes back to the old game of controlling reproductive rights. If you're saying that only wealthy people whose philosophies you agree with should have more than N kids, then you're saying that those other people - the ones with the wrong values and inferior lifestyles - shouldn't. If God wanted them to breed, he'd have given them a four bedroom house and your enlightened opinions on everything, right?

QG is right, it is judgey concern trolling. If you want to go shit on overweight people because it's socially acceptable to do so, go ahead, but don't try to kid yourself that you're being a crusader for social justice by redirecting food from people that overeat to people that are starving.

If you were actually seriously concerned that someone had more children than they could provide for - you'd offer to help provide for the children. If your concern only extends to mocking the parents, that's not concern, that's being judgmental.

Frankly, it makes more sense to mock people for promoting the paradigm of "children are entirely at the mercy of they're biogenitors' ability to provide for them" in the first place. Why don't we offer universal childcare, give parents both maternity and paternity leave, and extend school breakfast to school dinner?

The next time you feel the need to tell someone off for having so many kids...

I feel like this attack is aimed at me ... I never feel the need to tell someone off for having many kids.

-2 points for reading comprehension.

Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

Man we go to different grocery stores. Of the top of my head, evangelicals tend to gravitate towards this sort script:
"Is that a lip piercing? You're going to hell. Stop trying to be punky rebel and go to church like your parents."
"My parents said it was okay."
"Your parents are AGENTS OF SATAN."


Furthermore, why would anyone talk to a child about the parent's parenting skills? I cannot see a possible reason for that. Even when your intent is to hurt the child that is not a very good technique. Not even psychotics would do that.

Hey, he's been waiting WEEKS to spring that line, most likely.

Can we analyze this comment? There's no knowledge transfer - all you've got is vaguely derisive speculation. It's pure phatic communication. Not that there's anything wrong with that, phatic communication is really important in building relationships and communities. It's just that with this post, I get the feeling that you're trying to build relationships at my expense. Like trying to build an in-group out-group paradigm.

We definitely buy groceries in different places.

Oh, good it's not just me.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:16:38 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:20:51 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:21:31 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

Naturally.

Show a man almost certain death, let him live through it, and then get him a wife and see what happens.

And truth be told, the Black Death was the only major economic leveler in Western History.

Giving people a future is a remarkably effective form of birth control.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:21:41 am
Wait. Contact between Europe and North America.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:22:46 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:25:36 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:27:11 am
Wait. Contact between Europe and North America.

There was that, and more people died than in the Black Death. But it's not what I was referring to.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:27:28 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:28:59 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.

Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:37:39 am
You see, it turns out that living a long healthy life and having the possibility of being something other than a breeding machine severely impacts a human's desire to gestate and push out child after child at the expense of their own health and longevity.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:38:20 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.

Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.

Prosperity is relative, and one of the key markers is education, which is not resource-intensive.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 07:40:06 am
That's a fair point. Information is the most valuable resource, and it's freely available.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2013, 07:50:59 am
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.

You don't want me to use other's interactions with you as illustrations for rhetorical points. That's fair, and I'll respect that.

It's the bolded bit that gets to me. My direct interaction with holist in this thread so far as been:

Dear Holist:

Fuck you.

I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."

plus this comment:

On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.

I feel that those statements are 1) straightforward, and 2) strongly characterize my relationship with holist in this thread as antagonistic. Given later ambiguous input, they would strongly influence interpretation of that ambiguity towards one consistent with an antagonistic relationship. I don't find it plausible that you honestly believe I'm trying to champion holist.

Which begs the question of why you'd type that out. The most generous interpretation I have is that I crossed an extremely important line, and you wanted to shock me into paying attention. Least generous is that you wanted to wound me, and accuracy be damned as long as it was hurtful - but that's not consistent with earlier observations of you being generally reasonable, thoughtful, and of not being suddenly and spontaneously spiteful.

The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours. That's behavior I associate with people insecure in their standing in an important group, which, again, is not consistent with earlier observations of you. I read the bulk of your interactions with other established members as indicative of a confident peer-to-peer relationship, and from others get the impression that you're generally well respected. You could have not posted that and been fine. Apart from holist and arguably that one comment from Roger, no one's been attacking you in this thread; to the contrary, the entire thread up to the point when I used impact font was the board broadly telling holist that trying to make mothers feel guilty about their children was misogynistic and unacceptable. So I'm not aware of anything that would cause you to suddenly start feeling insecure or otherwise begin to act out of character, which means that I have a hard time taking the intermediate position either.

Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?

Dude, just for the record, your "social standing", such as it is, has been shot for quite some time, totally independent of Holist. I take you off ignore from time to time just to see whether you've grown the fuck up yet or are still grandstanding and passive-aggressively trying (and failing in everyone's eyes but your own) to tell people what.

I'm not saying this to be mean or to fit in with the crowd, and honestly I think you can do a lot better for yourself. You aren't stupid or a bad person or anything, but the potshots get so fucking old that they just aren't worth reading anymore.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 08:00:12 am
GA, stick to white knighting for holist, I'm good.

You don't want me to use other's interactions with you as illustrations for rhetorical points. That's fair, and I'll respect that.

It's the bolded bit that gets to me. My direct interaction with holist in this thread so far as been:

Dear Holist:

Fuck you.

I don't really feel like sharing it with you, because you'll probably call me and my loved ones "sorry losers."

plus this comment:

On the other hand, I don't like holist very much.

I feel that those statements are 1) straightforward, and 2) strongly characterize my relationship with holist in this thread as antagonistic. Given later ambiguous input, they would strongly influence interpretation of that ambiguity towards one consistent with an antagonistic relationship. I don't find it plausible that you honestly believe I'm trying to champion holist.

Which begs the question of why you'd type that out. The most generous interpretation I have is that I crossed an extremely important line, and you wanted to shock me into paying attention. Least generous is that you wanted to wound me, and accuracy be damned as long as it was hurtful - but that's not consistent with earlier observations of you being generally reasonable, thoughtful, and of not being suddenly and spontaneously spiteful.

The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours. That's behavior I associate with people insecure in their standing in an important group, which, again, is not consistent with earlier observations of you. I read the bulk of your interactions with other established members as indicative of a confident peer-to-peer relationship, and from others get the impression that you're generally well respected. You could have not posted that and been fine. Apart from holist and arguably that one comment from Roger, no one's been attacking you in this thread; to the contrary, the entire thread up to the point when I used impact font was the board broadly telling holist that trying to make mothers feel guilty about their children was misogynistic and unacceptable. So I'm not aware of anything that would cause you to suddenly start feeling insecure or otherwise begin to act out of character, which means that I have a hard time taking the intermediate position either.

Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?

Dude, just for the record, your "social standing", such as it is, has been shot for quite some time, totally independent of Holist. I take you off ignore from time to time just to see whether you've grown the fuck up yet or are still grandstanding and passive-aggressively trying (and failing in everyone's eyes but your own) to tell people what.

I'm not saying this to be mean or to fit in with the crowd, and honestly I think you can do a lot better for yourself. You aren't stupid or a bad person or anything, but the potshots get so fucking old that they just aren't worth reading anymore.

No, Gogira's desire to shock him into attention is way more plausible.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 19, 2013, 08:08:37 am
Just out of curiosity, because I might have missed the confirmation, but seem to have picked it up in implication, but is GA intending on going into psychology?

And if so is he intending on treating patients? I wouldn't have thought twice about it until that post there.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 19, 2013, 01:41:41 pm
Just out of curiosity, because I might have missed the confirmation, but seem to have picked it up in implication, but is GA intending on going into psychology?

That's what I gathered from the last few pages... I was almost hoping nobody would point it out because each post turned out funnier than the last one.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:10:52 pm
Here, this is a better example:

It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."

You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.

DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll

If you approached this with the right wrong maximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:

Quote
Attention weak and vulnerable female:

You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.
(http://i.imgur.com/zihmrB3.jpg)

You stupid shit, that's the fucking attitude you were DEFENDING in this thread, AND it's the argument I was arguing against.

You fucked up little intellectually dishonest shitbag.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:13:18 pm
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

Yeah?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:14:24 pm
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.

Good point.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:16:24 pm
The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours.

And here we have GA's real concern.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 02:18:11 pm
Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?

Yeah, there fucking is.  But don't let THAT stop ya, pal!  Just giddyap and lead us to a bright new future.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 19, 2013, 03:09:48 pm
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.

Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.
You see, it turns out that living a long healthy life and having the possibility of being something other than a breeding machine severely impacts a human's desire to gestate and push out child after child at the expense of their own health and longevity.

Prosperity is relative, and one of the key markers is education, which is not resource-intensive.
Can we at least all agree that this is a good thing?
I'm most interested in the opinions of the pro-breeding camp.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 11:22:48 pm
Holist is back!  :banana:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 19, 2013, 11:24:45 pm
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 19, 2013, 11:25:25 pm
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.

What a SNIDE remark! :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 11:25:41 pm
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)

So, no planning ahead or anything.

Seems very...enlightened.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 11:26:02 pm
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.

What a SNIDE remark! :)

How good of you to notice!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 19, 2013, 11:36:49 pm
Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.

Yeah.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 19, 2013, 11:38:29 pm
I still like him but I don't think he likes us anymore  :sadbanana:

Au contraire!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 19, 2013, 11:40:07 pm
I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.

Was I? Sure didn't mean to!


What a dick.  :lulz:

:lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 11:42:19 pm
Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.

Yeah.

Well, you know.  Holy Man™.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 19, 2013, 11:51:20 pm
As for my angry daughter, some people simply have more fiery personalities than others. She is a passionate person who is quick to anger and passionate about social justice. She is certainly, compared to the sanguine personalities of my other children, an angry person, but she isn't angry all the time or without reason. She is angry in bursts, when she perceives that someone is suffering a social wrong. She was like this even in pre-school, when she would defend smaller kids from bullies, and rage about how unfair it is that some kids were mean to or didn't want to be friends with the disabled child in her class. I am incredibly proud of her passion for justice and certainly don't appreciate the implication that she's been abused.

I can relate to that, I'd call it a strong sense of justice combined with the willingness to do something about it, Courage. I don't think I implied she had, I was talking about something different. I didn't understand or misunderstood what you meant by your oldest being angry a lot. I do understand now, thank you for the clarification.

I am certainly not happy about being stressed and poor and struggling. That wasn't my favorite turn of events in my life, that's for sure. But I also am, in fact, completely certain that being in school right now IS the correct choice for me, and for my kids, and I am proud of myself for accomplishing what I have so far in life, even if it might not equal the kind of sheltered, comfortable complacency others consider "success". I'm proud of myself and of my kids, and of the job I've done raising my kids despite hardships and disadvantages.

Well I recently had the pleasure to try thrift living with 6 kids in the UK. The money we lived on was just enough for rent, bills, a monotonous but okay diet, the petrol we needed and precious little else. I applaud your efforts and I'm sorry if I made the impression I denigrated them in any way.

So, Mr. Comfortable, you can just go fuck right off. :lol:

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 19, 2013, 11:54:30 pm
ITT: someone doesn't know how to shut up.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 19, 2013, 11:57:57 pm
ITT: someone doesn't know how to shut up.

He can't.  He's driven to this, IMO.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:00:36 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.

Well you know, I've been sitting here where I sit for two years now, on and off.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:02:25 am
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.

Just saying.

I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:02:56 am
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.

Just saying.

I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.

And I can slide under THAT.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 12:03:51 am
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.

Just saying.

I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.

And I can slide under THAT.

DOUR, the limbo champion of Tucson.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:05:52 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:07:22 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

You People are not being rational.

He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY. 

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)

IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:07:31 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.

And yet here you are.  How puzzling.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:07:57 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

You People are not being rational.

He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY. 

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)

IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:08:32 am
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.

Just saying.

I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.

And I can slide under THAT.

DOUR, the limbo champion of Tucson.

There is no bottom.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:09:25 am
Quote
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.


So's your mom.

My muther is a very active lady who still exerts tremendous effort at 70. She is somewhat ready for the cheap shot, but will belabour it at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:10:45 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

That must be terrible for you.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Enrico Salazar on November 20, 2013, 12:11:38 am
Quote
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.


So's your mom.

My muther is a very active lady who still exerts tremendous effort at 70. She is somewhat ready for the cheap shot, but will belabour it at the drop of a hat.

Enrico is not certain "effort" is word he would use to describe, but will admit: she have remarkable elasticity!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:14:19 am
Quote
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.


So's your mom.

My muther is a very active lady who still exerts tremendous effort at 70. She is somewhat ready for the cheap shot, but will belabour it at the drop of a hat.

Enrico is not certain "effort" is word he would use to describe, but will admit: she have remarkable elasticity!

You been poaching Uday's dates again?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:14:37 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

That's a good point.

But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?

I wasn't accusing anyone. I was expressing surprise that someone would just be like the Little Man she described for no particular reason. Turns out there's plenty reason. That's what I was after when I asked about it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:15:38 am
:backpedal:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 12:15:47 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

That's a good point.

But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?

I wasn't accusing anyone. I was expressing surprise that someone would just be like the Little Man she described for no particular reason. Turns out there's plenty reason. That's what I was after when I asked about it.

You seem to be working under the mistaken impression that people on this forum actually want to engage you on a serious level.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:16:45 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

That's a good point.

But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?

I wasn't accusing anyone. I was expressing surprise that someone would just be like the Little Man she described for no particular reason. Turns out there's plenty reason. That's what I was after when I asked about it.

You seem to be working under the mistaken impression that people on this forums actually want to engage you on a serious level.

He's still waiting for us to be reasonable about the woo he peddles.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:17:56 am
Let's put it this way.

When I hear about people having more than 3 children, I feel like I shouldn't reproduce at all because they already had kids for me and it would be irresponsible of ME to have any myself.

You know, tragedy of the commons and all that shit.

"If you think having 6 kids is okay, I want you to imagine telling brown children in foreign lands where all the food went."

And remember, Twid, that's MOMMY SHAMING.  Because dads have nothing to do with the reproduction of children.  Ever.

Let me explain again that though I live in a household currently containing six minors, I in fact have only sired 4. That might be somewhat more than a fair share, but we are further below reproduction rate than even the US, so it hardly puts a dent in a steady decline of the population...
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:18:25 am
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

Golden Applesauce:

Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.

Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:

I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...

But he loves us all.

:lulz:

I told you fuckers he hadn't changed.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:19:28 am
You know, this last bit got me thinking, and I realized that - despite several chances to do so - holist has never "daddy shamed".

I wonder why that is?

As I recall, I actually rather did. The particular daddy I shamed was me.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Enrico Salazar on November 20, 2013, 12:21:36 am
If we are to speak of shaming daddies, Enrico will need to change his sheet first.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:22:14 am
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:31:53 am
Anyway, the point I was making was that within Holist's conditions, having that amount of children is in fact a bit shocking on a few different levels, and I don't feel like I am shaming him or the missus by pointing it out. I really want to know what the rationale behind it was, because they clearly have access to birth control in the UK, don't really need to have more than 2 or 3 children from a survival angle, and unless Holist has pound sterling shooting out of his asshole, those children actually compete for resources rather than benefit by it. I mean, I could be wrong. Holist might well be a rich motherfucker who can support a large number of children and spread relative, Western, economic comfort equally among them.

I think they live in Hungary or some other 3rd world country, not the UK. If I recall, they tried moving to the UK a year or so ago, and they couldn't hack it so they moved back to the jungle or wherever.

Jeeesus! :lolz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:34:41 am
Oh. Well, that's a literal dick move on Holist's part. No wonder he was an admittedly shitty father to the first three.

Actually, I think the mild neglect and preoccupation I was packing along with enough money and working from home which equals basically available for services at all times is actually above average in terms of dadhood.

Though, even that said, If I had 3 kids with wife number one and got divorced, I would probably try and woo a woman who already had children and had no desire for any more. You know, emotional support is a resource too, like.

Well that's true, we had so much more in common. Like having more than one kid, each. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:35:51 am
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:39:23 am
Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.

Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.
You see, it turns out that living a long healthy life and having the possibility of being something other than a breeding machine severely impacts a human's desire to gestate and push out child after child at the expense of their own health and longevity.

Prosperity is relative, and one of the key markers is education, which is not resource-intensive.
Can we at least all agree that this is a good thing?
I'm most interested in the opinions of the pro-breeding camp.

Well I agree, and I'm pro-breeding. Not a camp, though.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:40:51 am
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)

So, no planning ahead or anything.

Seems very...enlightened.

Well no, it  wasn't particularly enlightened at all. Liza, this youngest child, we both wanted to have. Sorry. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:42:02 am
ITT: someone doesn't know how to shut up.

He can't.  He's driven to this, IMO.


No, no. no. I can, and choosing not to. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:42:59 am
Given his "You all suck but I love you" bullshit, his kids are gonna be damaged goods for life.

Just saying.

I had some idea already of the maximum of stoopage. You went lower.

And I can slide under THAT.

I figure you just limbering up
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:44:17 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.

And yet here you are.  How puzzling.

I know! Right?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:45:39 am
Quote
LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.


So's your mom.

My muther is a very active lady who still exerts tremendous effort at 70. She is somewhat ready for the cheap shot, but will belabour it at the drop of a hat.

Enrico is not certain "effort" is word he would use to describe, but will admit: she have remarkable elasticity!

Thar you go! Sterling testimony!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:45:56 am
At what point were we debating?   :lulz:

You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:46:56 am
On one hand, I feel like I ought to say something about criticizing someone on how many children they have is a form of mommy shaming / slut shaming in itself.

On the other hand, I don't like Holist very much.

That's a good point.

But as long as he's accusing everyone else of being terrible parents for arbitrary reasons, why not?

I wasn't accusing anyone. I was expressing surprise that someone would just be like the Little Man she described for no particular reason. Turns out there's plenty reason. That's what I was after when I asked about it.

You seem to be working under the mistaken impression that people on this forum actually want to engage you on a serious level.

Nope.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:47:12 am
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:48:04 am
If we are to speak of shaming daddies, Enrico will need to change his sheet first.

 :lulz:  :lulz:  :lulz: and bravo!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:48:39 am
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:49:43 am
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:50:15 am
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.

Yeah, I just want to make sure that people remember all the nice things you said.   :)

You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:52:59 am
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.

Yeah, I just want to make sure that people remember all the nice things you said.   :)

Wha, that you all have redeeming qualities and I love you???

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 20, 2013, 12:53:50 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.

What, like me? Why do you think I'm a counterexample?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 20, 2013, 12:55:16 am
I feel left out because holist didn't describe me in the line-and-a-half cheap shot format he criticised LMNO for.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 12:56:26 am
I feel left out because holist didn't describe me in the line-and-a-half cheap shot format he criticised LMNO for.

Welcome to the club... these dweebs always leave me out of their diatribes as well. 
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 20, 2013, 12:57:22 am
I feel left out because holist didn't describe me in the line-and-a-half cheap shot format he criticised LMNO for.

Start stepping up, bitch!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 12:58:13 am
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.

Yeah, I just want to make sure that people remember all the nice things you said.   :)

Wha, that you all have redeeming qualities and I love you???

You're such a passive aggressive waste of gametes.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 12:59:29 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Because you went to college, Twid. That is why.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.

What, like me? Why do you think I'm a counterexample?

Because you went to college, that's why.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 01:00:25 am
I feel left out because holist didn't describe me in the line-and-a-half cheap shot format he criticised LMNO for.

holist sorry for you :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 20, 2013, 01:04:05 am
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

Because you went to college, Twid. That is why.

Clearly, making terrible choices in life here.

Not like moving to the UK and failing pathetically, or anything.

Isn't it just so pathetically, tediously characteristic of PD: the counterexamples chirp up. The half a dozen at least people I've heard moan about their jobs stay quiet. Amuses.

What, like me? Why do you think I'm a counterexample?

Because you went to college, that's why.

Yeah, but I hate my job too! Dammit, I should have stayed quiet!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 20, 2013, 01:24:35 am
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)

To be fair, that's not as bad as I was picturing, my fault for assuming that they were all biologically yours.

You do mention that you both planned to have Liza too, and you had 3 boys and your current had 2 kids so... the question as to why you both would want to add one more is still there. What about your ex, did she have any more kids after leaving you?

Blight,
Let's make this some math, because I'm genuinely curious about reproductive dynamics post divorce. As a counter example, neither of my biological parents have produced offspring since splitting.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 20, 2013, 01:25:53 am
Just out of curiosity, because I might have missed the confirmation, but seem to have picked it up in implication, but is GA intending on going into psychology?

That's what I gathered from the last few pages... I was almost hoping nobody would point it out because each post turned out funnier than the last one.

I couldn't help it.

Wink wink nudge nudge.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 08:38:25 am
I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing. :)

To be fair, that's not as bad as I was picturing, my fault for assuming that they were all biologically yours.

You do mention that you both planned to have Liza too, and you had 3 boys and your current had 2 kids so... the question as to why you both would want to add one more is still there. What about your ex, did she have any more kids after leaving you?

Blight,
Let's make this some math, because I'm genuinely curious about reproductive dynamics post divorce. As a counter example, neither of my biological parents have produced offspring since splitting.

Well you know, it's an old-fashioned notion, but we are in lurve, and we wanted to have a baby. My ex didn't have any more kids, in fact, she now claims to be incapable of staying in a relationship and after a few tempestuous ones, five years after our divorce, she lives alone. On the other hand, my wife's ex, who is not a stinking hippy but I believe does need enhanced condom-skills, and who had had three kids with another woman before he had the two we are now raising, went on to engender a sixth little person recently with a new partner. Neither of those people are contributing money to the upkeep of their children, though they do give of their time. A bit of a bummer, but we're more or less over it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 11:24:37 am
Your thingie seems to be stuck in your whatsit and you stutter.

Yeah, I just want to make sure that people remember all the nice things you said.   :)

Wha, that you all have redeeming qualities and I love you???

You're such a passive aggressive waste of gametes.   :lulz:

I think you don't understand the term. Or me. Or both! :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior)

I realise that imagining that I am here and doing what I am doing without much in the way of hostility is beyond your capabilities, but in fact I am not hostile towards you. I am intrigued, at times frustrated, at times even infuriated (less so recently, as I said, learning curve), often amused and bemused... well, never mind.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 20, 2013, 12:04:46 pm
Stage 2: Sociological experiment
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 02:23:40 pm
I realise that imagining that I am here and doing what I am doing without much in the way of hostility is beyond your capabilities, but in fact I am not hostile towards you. I am intrigued, at times frustrated, at times even infuriated (less so recently, as I said, learning curve), often amused and bemused... well, never mind.


Heh.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

Followed by

Quote
However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you.

fits the bill.

Do you pull that shit on your children?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 02:47:12 pm
I think you asked that question already and I answered it, you manipulative nutcake, but here goes again:

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 03:13:16 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

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You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 03:37:40 pm
I feel a great storm of passive agressive bullshit, winding it's way through the internet from Europe...


Oh, it's just holist.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 03:40:11 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 03:41:09 pm
I feel a great storm of passive agressive bullshit, winding it's way through the internet from Europe...


Oh, it's just holist.

You say that like it's a BAD thing.

Look, some dumb fucking hippie shows up on your doorstep, stinking of patchouli and poor personal hygiene, and proceeds to insult your wife, your taste, etc.  Are you going to

1.  Take him seriously, or

2.  Give him your bad day?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 03:41:55 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes.

You're a liar.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 03:43:01 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes.

You're a liar.

Actually, I'm not. You, on the other hand, are. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 03:43:09 pm
Well, at the very least, he's including me.  I feel like one of the gang!

So many people forget what a mean and nasty person I can be, so prone to bias.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 03:43:32 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes.

You're a liar.

Actually, I'm not. You, on the other hand, are. :)

Dude, everyone saw your post.

Liar.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 03:44:50 pm
Well, at the very least, he's including me.  I feel like one of the gang!

So many people forget what a mean and nasty person I can be, so prone to bias.

Yes, I have always found you to be an unredeemable cunt.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 03:45:38 pm
Says the Salazorian apologist.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 03:45:47 pm
Well, at the very least, he's including me.  I feel like one of the gang!

So many people forget what a mean and nasty person I can be, so prone to bias.

He was speaking to PD, he just called a few specific people out.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 03:46:48 pm
Says the Salazorian apologist.

I consider myself more of an explanationist.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 03:50:53 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 03:53:11 pm
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.

Well you know, I've been sitting here where I sit for two years now, on and off.

Looks like you're stuck in a rut.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 03:54:04 pm
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.

Well you know, I've been sitting here where I sit for two years now, on and off.

Looks like you're stuck in a rut.

How?  He's

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 04:06:27 pm
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

You People are not being rational.

He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY. 

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)

IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.

Are you sure you don't just want other people to stop working so hard because they might succeed, thereby making you feel bad about yourself?

Especially unmarried people who don't have another person there to pick up the slack?

Because that does seem to be an undercurrent, there.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 04:08:04 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

(It's raining, I'm getting a lift to the school, so I have a little more time.)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:08:19 pm
Are you sure you don't just want other people to stop working so hard because they might succeed, thereby making you feel bad about yourself?

That's exactly what it is.  If you succeed, he has no excuse.

Quote
Especially unmarried people who don't have another person there to pick up the slack?

Because that does seem to be an undercurrent, there.

Almost.  His principle problem is unmarried WOMEN with kids.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:08:58 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

I'd just like to point out that:

I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!

Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 04:11:33 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

I do believe you single a few other people out for special mention, myself included.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 04:12:47 pm
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

You People are not being rational.

He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY. 

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)

IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.

Are you sure you don't just want other people to stop working so hard because they might succeed, thereby making you feel bad about yourself?

Especially unmarried people who don't have another person there to pick up the slack?

Because that does seem to be an undercurrent, there.

I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income, at present I do about 70% of housework (90% of the cooking), Mondays and Wednesdays, when my wife is off to her part-time job, I am with the 3.5-year old who is still at home all day.

Also, just because someone (I'm not sure it was you) hinted at my being rich: I am not rich. We (8 people, 2 dogs, 1 cat) live on about 4 thousand dollars a month, of which fully one eighth is the rent we get from my wife's flat (I don't own property and don't plan to).

Also, I consider myself successful. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:13:46 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 04:13:54 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

(It's raining, I'm getting a lift to the school, so I have a little more time.)

Pretty sure that polite went out the window when you called me one of a "sorry bunch of losers", dumbass.

Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:14:52 pm

Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.

But for how long?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 04:16:16 pm
Holist is a self-made man. This is clearly 100% the result of doing everything right, so that puts him in a position to tell us what. Meanwhile, we're all stuck in ruts, making the same silly mistakes over and over again. He can tell that, from where he sits.
You and i going back to school for useful degrees. Man i totally see how much of a sad patheticrut that is. I mustve been daft not to see it.

You People are not being rational.

He's obviously learned everything there is to know about being HAPPY. 

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

(I know it's pointless but here goes anyways:)

IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT BEING HAPPY IT IS JUST NOT BEING STRESSED OUT SO MUCH AND FINDING ENJOYMENT IN LIFE.

Are you sure you don't just want other people to stop working so hard because they might succeed, thereby making you feel bad about yourself?

Especially unmarried people who don't have another person there to pick up the slack?

Because that does seem to be an undercurrent, there.

I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income, at present I do about 70% of housework (90% of the cooking), Mondays and Wednesdays, when my wife is off to her part-time job, I am with the 3.5-year old who is still at home all day.

Also, just because someone (I'm not sure it was you) hinted at my being rich: I am not rich. We (8 people, 2 dogs, 1 cat) live on about 4 thousand dollars a month, of which fully one eighth is the rent we get from my wife's flat (I don't own property and don't plan to).

Also, I consider myself successful. :)

I think I hinted at you being complacently middle-class, and passing judgement on everyone who isn't, as if wealth is meted out on merit. Because that is exactly what you're doing.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 04:16:29 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

I do believe you single a few other people out for special mention, myself included.

Those were individual responses. The first sentence was just an eruption of sentiment.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:17:01 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

I do believe you single a few other people out for special mention, myself included.

Those were individual responses. The first sentence was just an eruption of sentiment.

Well, THAT makes everything better.  :lol:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 04:17:24 pm

Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.

But for how long?

Until she scores a role in the reboot of Life Goes On.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:18:37 pm

Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.

But for how long?

Until she scores a role in the reboot of Life Goes On.

He's a bum, sits around the house all day, not even bothering with personal hygiene (judging from the pics he's posted).

Sooner or later, she'll wise up and give him the boot.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 04:39:12 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

I do believe you single a few other people out for special mention, myself included.

Those were individual responses. The first sentence was just an eruption of sentiment.

EITHER

         you're backpedaling

OR

         your communication skills are terrible.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 04:41:06 pm
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 04:42:04 pm
That's how he can afford to put himself on that pedestal he's looking down at everyone from.

Especially that lazy loser LMNO. I mean, that guy.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:42:26 pm
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.

I think they use mud.

But yeah, $500 in rent vs a $4000 monthly cheque is pretty good.  How fortunate that he has a wife with a decent job.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:42:42 pm
That's how he can afford to put himself on that pedestal he's looking down at everyone from.

Especially that lazy loser LMNO. I mean, that guy.

Yep.  Does nothing all day.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 04:48:21 pm
I am ashame.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 04:48:53 pm
I am ashame.

Why can't you be a dynamo like Holist?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 04:51:12 pm
BRB, must go fuck a sock.  That'll show them!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 20, 2013, 05:27:30 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:17:51 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.

The other 40% comes from my wife. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 06:18:44 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.

The other 40% comes from my wife. :)

Until SHE leaves your ass.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:21:06 pm
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.

I converted it to dollers for your convenience, dumb thingie. Do the fucking math, 48,000 a year, 8 people. Food is actually a bit cheaper in the US, petrol is way cheaper in the US. Accommodation is way cheaper here. We are, incomewise, lower middle-class. I even suspect your household may spend more. Certainly not a lot less.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 06:22:19 pm
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.

I converted it to dollers for your convenience, dumb thingie. Do the fucking math, 48,000 a year, 8 people. Food is actually a bit cheaper in the US, petrol is way cheaper in the US. Accommodation is way cheaper here. We are, incomewise, lower middle-class. I even suspect your household may spend more. Certainly not a lot less.

"dollars", smart thingie.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 06:22:52 pm
You must be the worst translator ever.

A person would have better luck with an online translator.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:23:48 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

I'd just like to point out that:

I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!

Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.

The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:24:59 pm

Don't compare your situation to mine; you have a wife to do the hard work.

But for how long?

Until she scores a role in the reboot of Life Goes On.

He's a bum, sits around the house all day, not even bothering with personal hygiene (judging from the pics he's posted).

Sooner or later, she'll wise up and give him the boot.

So this is the sort of thing that makes you feel better, right? :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 20, 2013, 06:26:48 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

I'd just like to point out that:

I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!

Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.

The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?

"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 06:29:10 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 20, 2013, 06:34:53 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:40:11 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 06:41:09 pm

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 06:42:47 pm
I demand to be added in.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 06:45:01 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:45:57 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.

Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:46:41 pm
I demand to be added in.

You need to stoop lower for that. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 06:48:28 pm
I can attest that Payne is up for ANY PROGRAM.

Prepare to be boarded.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 06:49:23 pm
I demand to be added in.

You need to stoop lower for that. :)

You have absolutely no idea how low I can stoop.

I was born with hips that swivel in all the wrong ways. I am a superior mutant and can bend in any number of surprising ways.

I still can't quite contort myself into a position that allows me to give a single absolute fuck about you, but them's the breaks.

But if all the cool kids are going to be Losers, I'm going to be a Loser too.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 06:50:07 pm
Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me,

FTFY.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:51:14 pm
I demand to be added in.

You need to stoop lower for that. :)

You have absolutely no idea how low I can stoop.

I was born with hips that swivel in all the wrong ways. I am a superior mutant and can bend in any number of surprising ways.

I still can't quite contort myself into a position that allows me to give a single absolute fuck about you, but them's the breaks.

But if all the cool kids are going to be Losers, I'm going to be a Loser too.

Okay, you ambitious person! :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 06:56:59 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.

Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)

...Babar?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 06:57:23 pm
I demand to be added in.

You need to stoop lower for that. :)

You have absolutely no idea how low I can stoop.

I was born with hips that swivel in all the wrong ways. I am a superior mutant and can bend in any number of surprising ways.

I still can't quite contort myself into a position that allows me to give a single absolute fuck about you, but them's the breaks.

But if all the cool kids are going to be Losers, I'm going to be a Loser too.

Okay, you ambitious person! :)

You wish I could bother to stoke up some ambition for you. That would require me to actually care what a dead beat, abusive, smug-but-worthless ignorant turd like you could bring to the table.

You are barely even worth the effort to type these words, but as it happens as I have a spare five minutes or so while something else is going on, and you are the forum equivalent to bringing my phone into the bathroom so I can play some pointless game while I'm aerially bombarding my toilet with concentrated hatred mixed with too much fibre.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 06:59:21 pm
That's how he can afford to put himself on that pedestal he's looking down at everyone from.

Especially that lazy loser LMNO. I mean, that guy.

Yep.  Does nothing all day.

I guess that must be your resentment at having worked such a shitty job for so long coming out. Think of all those hours that you robbed yourself of, spending them on stuff you found boring, infuriating, frustrating, and all manner of unpleasant things! You cannot get them back, e-cigs and weight-loss notwithstanding. - I know, because I am that man. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:02:00 pm
That's how he can afford to put himself on that pedestal he's looking down at everyone from.

Especially that lazy loser LMNO. I mean, that guy.

Yep.  Does nothing all day.

I guess that must be your resentment at having worked such a shitty job for so long coming out. Think of all those hours that you robbed yourself of, spending them on stuff you found boring, infuriating, frustrating, and all manner of unpleasant things! You cannot get them back, e-cigs and weight-loss notwithstanding. - I know, because I am that man. :)

I'm not LMNO.  Are you drunk or something?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:02:18 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.

The other 40% comes from my wife. :)

Until SHE leaves your ass.

I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:04:14 pm
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.

I converted it to dollers for your convenience, dumb thingie. Do the fucking math, 48,000 a year, 8 people. Food is actually a bit cheaper in the US, petrol is way cheaper in the US. Accommodation is way cheaper here. We are, incomewise, lower middle-class. I even suspect your household may spend more. Certainly not a lot less.

"dollars", smart thingie.

You are indeed a vigilant hoop-jumper. Put that there 'specially for you. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:05:24 pm
You must be the worst translator ever.

A person would have better luck with an online translator.

Lucky I still managed to make a more-or-less comfortable living out of it for the last 18 years, working about 25-30-hour weeks on average. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 20, 2013, 07:05:44 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.

Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)

FUCK YUO! I'VE LOST MORE IN THE LAST TEN MINUTES THAN MOST OUTLANDISHLY SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WILL ACCUMULATE IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFETIME. IF PAYNE GETS IN THEN SO DO I, GODDAMNIT  :argh!:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:07:17 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.

Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)

FUCK YUO! I'VE LOST MORE IN THE LAST TEN MINUTES THAN MOST OUTLANDISHLY SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WILL ACCUMULATE IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFETIME. IF PAYNE GETS IN THEN SO DO I, GODDAMNIT  :argh!:

P3nT, you're an irredeemable shitbag. You've ALWAYS been a Loser in my eyes.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:07:33 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.

The other 40% comes from my wife. :)

Until SHE leaves your ass.

I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)

Childhood shit in your therapy, you say?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:08:07 pm
Jealous much, guise?

:hammer:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 20, 2013, 07:08:38 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.

Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)

FUCK YUO! I'VE LOST MORE IN THE LAST TEN MINUTES THAN MOST OUTLANDISHLY SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WILL ACCUMULATE IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFETIME. IF PAYNE GETS IN THEN SO DO I, GODDAMNIT  :argh!:

P3nT, you're an irredeemable shitbag. You've ALWAYS been a Loser in my eyes.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:10:11 pm
Jealous much, guise?

:hammer:

Why do YOU always get all the love Roger?

WHERE'S MY SLICE?!

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:11:28 pm
Jealous much, guise?

:hammer:

Why do YOU always get all the love Roger?

WHERE'S MY SLICE?!

They are my people, and I am their king.

:digtbk:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:12:19 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

I'd just like to point out that:

I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!

Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.

The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?

"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

I'm sorry to rob you of your misconception, but actually, every single kid is at or near the top of the class and are universally loved by all the teachers. I spend parent evenings listening to other parents voice a predictable set of pointless worries about their kids. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:13:12 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

I have plenty of concern for plenty of people. Even you, Roger! Why else would I still be talking to you? :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:14:08 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.

Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:14:12 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

I have plenty of concern for plenty of people. Even you, Roger! Why else would I still be talking to you? :)

God knows.  It's not like I want it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:14:52 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

I'd just like to point out that:

I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!

Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.

The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?

"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

I'm sorry to rob you of your misconception, but actually, every single kid is at or near the top of the class and are universally loved by all the teachers. I spend parent evenings listening to other parents voice a predictable set of pointless worries about their kids. :)

Is this what they taught you in therapy?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:15:11 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.

Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)

...Babar?

If he's been mixing with the wrong people recently, then maybe. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:16:52 pm
I demand to be added in.

You need to stoop lower for that. :)

You have absolutely no idea how low I can stoop.

I was born with hips that swivel in all the wrong ways. I am a superior mutant and can bend in any number of surprising ways.

I still can't quite contort myself into a position that allows me to give a single absolute fuck about you, but them's the breaks.

But if all the cool kids are going to be Losers, I'm going to be a Loser too.

Okay, you ambitious person! :)

You wish I could bother to stoke up some ambition for you. That would require me to actually care what a dead beat, abusive, smug-but-worthless ignorant turd like you could bring to the table.

You are barely even worth the effort to type these words, but as it happens as I have a spare five minutes or so while something else is going on, and you are the forum equivalent to bringing my phone into the bathroom so I can play some pointless game while I'm aerially bombarding my toilet with concentrated hatred mixed with too much fibre.

Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:17:52 pm
I'm not LMNO. 

That's what you think.


Are you drunk or something?

No. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 07:18:48 pm
I knew it.

This whole time.



I AM TUCSON.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:19:11 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:19:23 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.

The other 40% comes from my wife. :)

Until SHE leaves your ass.

I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)

Childhood shit in your therapy, you say?

Yes. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:20:26 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.

The other 40% comes from my wife. :)

Until SHE leaves your ass.

I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)

Childhood shit in your therapy, you say?

Yes. :)

Who gives a shit?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:21:12 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.

It must be lonely being perfect.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 20, 2013, 07:21:33 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.

Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)

No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.

Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief. 
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:22:34 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.

Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)

No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.

Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.

Well, he DID mention having to put up with all the untermenschen parents and their substandard complaints.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:22:59 pm
And THEY are probably still complaining about the chubby fucking hairball that stank up the meeting.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 20, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Also, Tell RHWN I said "Fuck you" because this level of retardation looks just like him.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:24:10 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.

It must be lonely being perfect.

I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:25:29 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.

It must be lonely being perfect.

I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.

Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 20, 2013, 07:26:40 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.

Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)

No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.

Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.

Well, he DID mention having to put up with all the untermenschen parents and their substandard complaints.

Oh yes, and his kids are all geniuses apparently.

I assume the school has various levels of classes for different abilities. That would make this plausible. I doubt it's good genetics or a positive home life. Certainly isn't engagement with the kids.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:27:27 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.

It must be lonely being perfect.

I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.

Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.

Holding them up standards that you yourself don't actually meet, but totally would if you really had to but never have to because everyone else is so inferior?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:27:45 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.

Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)

No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.

Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.

Well, he DID mention having to put up with all the untermenschen parents and their substandard complaints.

Oh yes, and his kids are all geniuses apparently.

I assume the school has various levels of classes for different abilities. That would make this plausible. I doubt it's good genetics or a positive home life. Certainly isn't engagement with the kids.

To be fair, there isn't TIME for engagement with the kids.  He has to correct the internet.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:29:08 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.

It must be lonely being perfect.

I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.

Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.

Holding them up standards that you yourself don't actually meet, but totally would if you really had to but never have to because everyone else is so inferior?

Yeah, that will do nicely.

Then go hang around boards where nobody likes you.

Then act rationally for ten minutes until the nicer ones give you another chance.

Then shit all over them.

Conclusion:  Holist is a drug addict of some kind.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 20, 2013, 07:29:57 pm
Holist - RWHN Redux.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on November 20, 2013, 07:31:15 pm
Holist - RWHN Redux.

I don't know. Holist is WAY more passive-aggressive than RWhatsit.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:31:55 pm
Jealous much, guise?

:hammer:

Why do YOU always get all the love Roger?

WHERE'S MY SLICE?!

They are my people, and I am their king.

:digtbk:

Ah, the famous tag line, at last. What a relief. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:32:50 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

I have plenty of concern for plenty of people. Even you, Roger! Why else would I still be talking to you? :)

God knows.  It's not like I want it.

For some reason, though, you don't walk the talk, either. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:32:52 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.

It must be lonely being perfect.

I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.

Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.

Holding them up standards that you yourself don't actually meet, but totally would if you really had to but never have to because everyone else is so inferior?

Yeah, that will do nicely.

Then go hang around boards where nobody likes you.

Then act rationally for ten minutes until the nicer ones give you another chance.

Then shit all over them.

Conclusion:  Holist is a drug addict of some kind.

That sounds like a familiar tune you're whistling along to there Roger.

I'm fairly certain I've heard it before.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:33:08 pm
Jealous much, guise?

:hammer:

Why do YOU always get all the love Roger?

WHERE'S MY SLICE?!

They are my people, and I am their king.

:digtbk:

Ah, the famous tag line, at last. What a relief. :)

Hush, crackhead.  You know it's true.  It's why you're HERE.  To show me WHAT.

It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:33:42 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

Not only that, he has to put up with other parents' measly and unimportant concerns.

It must be lonely being perfect.

I prefer Omnifallibility - so much cuddlier.

Plus, you aren't obligated to spend all day preaching at other people as to how they're doin' it wrong, while being an overweight unemployed loser.

Holding them up standards that you yourself don't actually meet, but totally would if you really had to but never have to because everyone else is so inferior?

Yeah, that will do nicely.

Then go hang around boards where nobody likes you.

Then act rationally for ten minutes until the nicer ones give you another chance.

Then shit all over them.

Conclusion:  Holist is a drug addict of some kind.

That sounds like a familiar tune you're whistling along to there Roger.

I'm fairly certain I've heard it before.  :lulz:

One or twice, eh?  :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:33:54 pm

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

I'd just like to point out that:

I'd love to chat, but I'm off to a parents' evening at the school. Bye for now!

Holist is blowing off his children's education to post here about how great a parent he is.

The parents' evening was predictable and boring. Still, ya gotta show your face, don't ya?

"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

I'm sorry to rob you of your misconception, but actually, every single kid is at or near the top of the class and are universally loved by all the teachers. I spend parent evenings listening to other parents voice a predictable set of pointless worries about their kids. :)

Is this what they taught you in therapy?

Nope, that's my own invention. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:36:10 pm
I am pretty certain, for a number of reasons. I generate about 55-60 percent of our income,

The other 40% comes from the Jimmy Saville Society.

The other 40% comes from my wife. :)

Until SHE leaves your ass.

I think now that we're about to celebrate our fifth anniversary and are more connected than ever before, with a breakthrough in handling childhood shit in my therapy, there's sort of less of a risk of that. But, of course, you are right. until she leaves me. :)

Childhood shit in your therapy, you say?

Yes. :)

Who gives a shit?

I do! Along with a few other people you are not acquainted with. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:36:40 pm
Okay, so make some more halfhearted attempts then. Or just shut up! :)

Apparently, that selfsame advice is working for you to such an extent that now you are the arbiter of who gets into the latest Cool Kids Club.

So? It won't last. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 20, 2013, 07:39:56 pm
I DEMAND that Junkenstein be added to the cool kids club!

Also your shrink sucks.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:42:09 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:43:09 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:44:11 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Sita on November 20, 2013, 07:45:27 pm
Holist smiles too much. Way, way too much.
I don't think I've seen a single post where he didn't post a smiley face.

There's just something very wrong about that.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:45:39 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:46:10 pm
Holist smiles too much. Way, way too much.
I don't think I've seen a single post where he didn't post a smiley face.

There's just something very wrong about that.

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:46:26 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2013, 07:46:57 pm
Holist smiles too much. Way, way too much.
I don't think I've seen a single post where he didn't post a smiley face.

There's just something very wrong about that.

If he can convince you, he might finally be able to convince himself.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:47:32 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.

Oh, yeah. That too.

But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:48:26 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.

Oh, yeah. That too.

But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.

YOUR FACE?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:49:12 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.

Oh, yeah. That too.

But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.

YOUR FACE?

 :cry:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:50:00 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.

Oh, yeah. That too.

But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.

YOUR FACE?

 :cry:

I'm awfully sorry about your face.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:51:39 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.

Oh, yeah. That too.

But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.

YOUR FACE?

 :cry:

I'm awfully sorry about your face.

Me too Roger. Sometimes I can't even stop it from sliding off the front of my head anymore.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 07:53:23 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.

Oh, yeah. That too.

But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.

YOUR FACE?

 :cry:

I'm awfully sorry about your face.

Me too Roger. Sometimes I can't even stop it from sliding off the front of my head anymore.

I stapled mine to my junk.  It's just easier that way.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 07:54:12 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.

Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)

No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.

Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.

Once again what? I am on good terms with the team of teachers that runs the school, one is a close friend, two others are friends.  I've taught English for two years, ran a successful "build your own drum then learn to play it a little" project club, sang in the chorus when there was one, played a parent in a school play. That's in addition, of course, to paying the tuition fees, something that many parents at least here can't be bothered to do (especially not in my income bracket), though they can see that the state system is failing their kids. I am as much of an oxygen thief as you are. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 20, 2013, 07:55:19 pm
Really. If you're going to be a shitbag holist, you should really cast a wide net.
I demand to be added in.

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

1.  Do you pull it on your mentally defective wife?

2.  You yourself said that everyone here are sorry losers, liar.

Quote
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.


DO YOU DENY SAYING THAT?

Yes. I claim that my statement "You are such a sorry bunch of losers" did not in fact mean "Everyone here is a sorry loser", it only referred to a subset of people who had responded in that thread. In particular you, Gogira, and to a lesser extent LMNO.

Add me in and go fuck yourself.

You've been in there for quite a while, as it happens. :)

You should just lump everyone in there, Holist.

Seriously.

Thank you, but no, thank you. Just because everybody (almost everybody) hates me, there's no reason for me to disdain everyone. There is a particular flavour of childishly deluded posturing that only characterises a few people here. I'm pretty okay with Cain, though he has frequently said he hates me and is ignoring me. Pent is an interesting character and you've gotta respect his sea-canoeing chops. :regret: is interesting, I have no bone to pick with Faust - and there are others. They tend to be occasional posters, because... there is that elephant in the room. :)
Man, i love it when my name-prank works.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 20, 2013, 07:55:55 pm
It occurs to me to ask why any of us are bothering with the narcissistic little twerp.

Like I said, I'm killing some time  :)

And smearing shit on the walls in the process.   :argh!:

I told you I have A Condition.

Yeah, you're a SPAG.

Oh, yeah. That too.

But I was referring to the one you can't get medication for.

YOUR FACE?

 :cry:

I'm awfully sorry about your face.

Me too Roger. Sometimes I can't even stop it from sliding off the front of my head anymore.

I stapled mine to my junk.  It's just easier that way.

It's where we all fixatedley stare when conversing with you anyway.

Makes sense.

I should staple mine to the door  :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 08:19:38 pm
"showing face". Better than actually being concerned about the kid and engaging the teacher I guess.

That might require concern for someone other than himself.

Indeed. In this instance it would involve giving a shit about a child you are responsible for, so quite expected really.

Yeah, join in the chorus, Junkenstein! Go, go! :)

No you dull cretin, It's just another notch on the "shit parent" post.

Once again, at no point do you state any kind of engagement with the activity. This may be something to do with you being an oxygen thief.

Well, he DID mention having to put up with all the untermenschen parents and their substandard complaints.

Oh yes, and his kids are all geniuses apparently.

I assume the school has various levels of classes for different abilities. That would make this plausible. I doubt it's good genetics or a positive home life. Certainly isn't engagement with the kids.

It is a small school, one class in each year. What gives you the notion that I don't "engage" with my kids?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 08:22:29 pm
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.

I think the technical term is projection.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 20, 2013, 08:24:28 pm
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.

I think the technical term is projection.

We should probably ask Golden Applesauce about that.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 08:25:51 pm
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.

I think the technical term is projection.

Why, yes, because I've been spouting all manner of make-believe woo (homeopathy), etc, for YEARS.

 :lulz: <--- at you.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 08:27:08 pm
I DEMAND that Junkenstein be added to the cool kids club!

Also your shrink sucks.

I vest my power to add people to the cool kids club in you! Also, make up some name for the club, while you are at it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 08:46:44 pm
It's not like you have any friends here, or that someone's going to start listening to your hippie bullshit.

I think the technical term is projection.

Why, yes, because I've been spouting all manner of make-believe woo (homeopathy), etc, for YEARS.

 :lulz: <--- at you.

The Homeopathy IncidentTM lasted about a week or two. And no, it's not because of that, but because you very much want me not to have any friends here, and you very much don't want anyone to listen to my hippie bullshit, so you treat it as fact. Projection.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 08:49:05 pm
And no, it's not because of that, but because you very much want me not to have any friends here,

Name one.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2013, 09:21:36 pm
And no, it's not because of that, but because you very much want me not to have any friends here,

Name one.
(sorry, I had to put the poor little victim to bed, my wife seems to have run. away already)

NEVER! :D
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 10:30:43 pm
And no, it's not because of that, but because you very much want me not to have any friends here,

What's funny about this is that over the last couple weeks I've had conversations with people here, Roger included, in which I was absolutely convinced, and trying to convince them, that you were really going to stop being an insufferable, insulting, condescending asshole and instead participate in the board as a person with normal social skills.

Boy is my face red.

Nobody's sabotaging you here, except yourself.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 10:31:19 pm
Anyway, I see no point in further interacting with you.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 10:33:02 pm
Boy is my face red.


There's no shame in being nice enough to give someone a second chance, Nigel.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 20, 2013, 10:39:47 pm
I like holist.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 10:41:41 pm
I like holist.

Good on ya.

Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.

That might explain it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 10:45:08 pm
Boy is my face red.


There's no shame in being nice enough to give someone a second chance, Nigel.

I'm starting to think I should give it up, though, because this is hardly the first time I've been stabbed in the back by someone I was trying to be kind to.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 20, 2013, 10:53:28 pm
Boy is my face red.


There's no shame in being nice enough to give someone a second chance, Nigel.

I'm starting to think I should give it up, though, because this is hardly the first time I've been stabbed in the back by someone I was trying to be kind to.
Is it possible or desirable for you to stop expecting better but not stop giving second chances? It is what i try to do. Though usually I forget the first part and get hurt again.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 20, 2013, 11:01:09 pm
I like holist.

Good on ya.

Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.

That might explain it.
Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 11:22:29 pm
I like holist.
 

You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

Which part's your favorite?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 20, 2013, 11:29:42 pm
Don't get me wrong, he's a totally awful person.
I just like his tenacity.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 11:41:50 pm
Don't get me wrong, he's a totally awful person.
I just like his tenacity.

There's that, I guess. He and RWHN have it in common. Dig in, little Holist!

I think that there are likable elements to his personality, but they are badly overshadowed by the condescending/insulting thing. Personally, I prefer not to be persistently condescended to by an insulting (not to mention frequently factually errant) pedant.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:42:41 pm
Don't get me wrong, he's a totally awful person.
I just like his tenacity.

Yes, I valued Dead Kennedy, Number 6, and RWHN for the same exact reasons.  There's something charming about OCDish digging in of the heels for the sole purpose of making people not enjoy things.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:43:05 pm
I like holist.

Good on ya.

Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.

That might explain it.
Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?

Why, I do, of course.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:45:12 pm
But the more I think about it, what's NOT to like about tenaciously telling mothers that they are bad at raising kids?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:46:34 pm
Maybe we could get a rabid misogynist in here.  As long as he's tenacious about it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 20, 2013, 11:46:44 pm
I like holist.

Good on ya.

Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.

That might explain it.
Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?

Why, I do, of course.
Did... I adjust my perception of your standing as a human being or dismiss your agency based on your anger or did someone else do that?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2013, 11:47:24 pm
But the more I think about it, what's NOT to like about tenaciously telling mothers that they are bad at raising kids?

It was a particularly charming way in which to learn that I was wrong to try to befriend him, let alone attempting to convince others to do so.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:49:58 pm
I like holist.

Good on ya.

Maybe he doesn't lose agency and standing as a human when he gets angry about something.

That might explain it.
Who does lose agency and standing as a human when they get angry about something?

Why, I do, of course.
Did... I adjust my perception of your standing as a human being or dismiss your agency based on your anger or did someone else do that?

Well, you might not have meant to, but http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35817.msg1312946.html#msg1312946

I actually went back later on, after I'd calmed down, to see if it was still infuriatingly dismissive in tone.  It was.

ETA:  Wow, I never DO learn.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:50:35 pm
But the more I think about it, what's NOT to like about tenaciously telling mothers that they are bad at raising kids?

It was a particularly charming way in which to learn that I was wrong to try to befriend him, let alone attempting to convince others to do so.

You think we could get Fred Phelps in here?  He's tenacious as fuck.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:52:47 pm
Well, fuck this.  I'm going to play video games.

TENACIOUSLY!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 20, 2013, 11:54:48 pm
Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in those conversations.

You absolutely have the freedom to get fucked off about whatever you like, though. What I was dismissing was my interest in having that conversation, so instead of continuing I posted that and left  the house.

Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 20, 2013, 11:56:37 pm
Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.


Dude, I'm okay with "I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth."

It was the WAY you said it.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 21, 2013, 12:01:02 am
Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.


Dude, I'm okay with "I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth."

It was the WAY you said it.
I'ma reread it.

The "not going to bother"? Yeah, okay, I can see that.

"I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth." was the intent, and not seeing the dismissiveness, after"Righteo, my good man.  I'll just fuck off then." I was convinced that you were looking for a fight either way.

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 03:48:48 am
Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.


Dude, I'm okay with "I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth."

It was the WAY you said it.
I'ma reread it.

The "not going to bother"? Yeah, okay, I can see that.

"I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth." was the intent, and not seeing the dismissiveness, after"Righteo, my good man.  I'll just fuck off then." I was convinced that you were looking for a fight either way.

No, when I'm looking for a fight, there's not much doubt about it.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 21, 2013, 04:19:47 am
Yeah, why on earth might someone just walk away rather than continue conversing with you while you're in one of those moods where everyone is an asshole?
It's totally unlike you to carry a grudge around over your interpretation (no clarification sought) of statements made in this conversations.


Dude, I'm okay with "I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth."

It was the WAY you said it.
I'ma reread it.

The "not going to bother"? Yeah, okay, I can see that.

"I'm not having this conversation while you are foaming at the mouth." was the intent, and not seeing the dismissiveness, after"Righteo, my good man.  I'll just fuck off then." I was convinced that you were looking for a fight either way.

No, when I'm looking for a fight, there's not much doubt about it.   :lulz:
Yeah, sorry man. That's my failure to express myself, there.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 04:26:46 am
All's well that ends well!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Payne on November 21, 2013, 05:37:41 am
All's well that ends well!

A midsummer nights dream!

With Roger as Puck!

The Paes doth keep his revels here to-night:
Take heed Nigel come not within his sight;
For Paesior is passing fell and wrath,
Because that she as her attendant hath
A lovely boy, stolen from an Indian king;
She never had so sweet a changeling;
And jealous Paesior would have the child
Knight of his train, to trace the forests wild;
But she perforce withholds the loved boy,
Crowns him with flowers and makes him all her joy:
And now they never meet in grove or green,
By fountain clear, or spangled starlight sheen,
But, they do square, that all their elves for fear
Creep into acorn-cups and hide them there.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 21, 2013, 05:45:09 am
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 21, 2013, 05:58:59 am
Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.

But I'm not OK with Paes being portrayed as my new best friend! My old best friend may object. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 21, 2013, 06:01:23 am
Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.

But I'm not OK with Paes being portrayed as my new best friend! My old best friend may object. :)
WHY DON'T WE ASK HIM?

Holist, do you object?
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 21, 2013, 06:21:38 am
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 21, 2013, 06:22:49 am
Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.

But I'm not OK with Paes being portrayed as my new best friend! My old best friend may object. :)
WHY DON'T WE ASK HIM?

Holist, do you object?

Try harder, I think. It's almost funny. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Verbal Mike on November 21, 2013, 09:14:16 am
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 02:09:45 pm
All's well that ends well!

A midsummer nights dream!

With Roger as Puck!

The Paes doth keep his revels here to-night:
Take heed Nigel come not within his sight;
For Paesior is passing fell and wrath,
Because that she as her attendant hath
A lovely boy, stolen from an Indian king;
She never had so sweet a changeling;
And jealous Paesior would have the child
Knight of his train, to trace the forests wild;
But she perforce withholds the loved boy,
Crowns him with flowers and makes him all her joy:
And now they never meet in grove or green,
By fountain clear, or spangled starlight sheen,
But, they do square, that all their elves for fear
Creep into acorn-cups and hide them there.

EARF RECIEVE AN HONORED GUEST
DOKTOR HOWL IS LAID TO REST
SHOULD HAVE SHOT THE STUPID PEST
169% OWNED!  NEVER TEST!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2013, 02:24:42 pm
Feel free to turn it into more if you're bored, though. I'm okay with being portrayed as holist's new best friend.

But I'm not OK with Paes being portrayed as my new best friend! My old best friend may object. :)
WHY DON'T WE ASK HIM?

Holist, do you object?

Try harder, I think. It's almost funny. :)

(http://www.fizzygrizzly.com/forum/images/smilies/nope.gif)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 21, 2013, 05:40:56 pm
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2013, 06:08:11 pm
All's well that ends well!

A midsummer nights dream!

With Roger as Puck!

The Paes doth keep his revels here to-night:
Take heed Nigel come not within his sight;
For Paesior is passing fell and wrath,
Because that she as her attendant hath
A lovely boy, stolen from an Indian king;
She never had so sweet a changeling;
And jealous Paesior would have the child
Knight of his train, to trace the forests wild;
But she perforce withholds the loved boy,
Crowns him with flowers and makes him all her joy:
And now they never meet in grove or green,
By fountain clear, or spangled starlight sheen,
But, they do square, that all their elves for fear
Creep into acorn-cups and hide them there.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 22, 2013, 06:01:06 am
I think you asked that question already and I answered it, you manipulative nutcake, but here goes again:

No, I don't pull that shit on my kids, I like them, they like me, we get along.

Also: I don't think they are sad losers. I do think that you are one.

Just as a heads up, when I was being a bit of a nutter, I got a PM from Roger telling me that he was concerned. He signed it "Your friend."


Just saying. Roger's not a dick. Certainly not a loser.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 22, 2013, 06:02:59 am
Well, at the very least, he's including me.  I feel like one of the gang!

So many people forget what a mean and nasty person I can be, so prone to bias.

You take cheap one liners at my expense any chance you get.

Twid,
Never been mocked by the LMNO.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 22, 2013, 06:08:13 am

Look, I like you, I think you are right, being in school is the right choice. But do you actually think being constantly stressed out is a requirement?

Oh you're right, I'll totally just stop now. :roll:

Look, dumbass, I'm not "constantly stressed out". I'm not even sure where you pulled that assessment from (oh wait, yes I am. Your ass). What I am is working really hard because I have four children to raise, a house to keep, and grades to maintain, and nobody else is going to do this for me.

Yes, that is stressful on some fundamental levels, but there is only so much an individual can do to mitigate survival-related stresses. Like consciously relaxing, taking time for myself, getting enough sleep, making tome to exercise and get out into greenspaces. I do those things.

Don't call me dumbass, please, it's rude. I've been reading you for a long time. You don't appear to be particularly stressed, and indeed you are working hard, I can see that. As for your situation, I'm sure I have no idea, with the two of us supporting 6 kids and a household.... True, I don't go to college as well, and I do appreciate that your performance is quite outstanding. But I do a number of things besides the money-making work as well. But my comment about being constantly stressed out was more general: the responses I get seem to indicate that the majority opinion of the vocal people here (also, recalling the "let's make happyness a mental illness" thread) is that being stressed out a lot by the iniquities of the world is a requirement of honest living. I disagree with that.

(It's raining, I'm getting a lift to the school, so I have a little more time.)

You have not known Nigel long enough. Nigel has been through some fucking stress and she pulled herself through it. Matter of fact, I remember Faust saying something about her, and I quote,  "train wreck of a life". It wasn't long after that Nigel's Shiny New Life Thread popped up.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 06:13:27 am
Divorce is pretty trainwrecky.

Not that Holist would know anything about that, being above it all. :roll:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 22, 2013, 06:15:43 am
I don't think the cost of living in Hungary is particularly high. They must live like kings on 48,000 kronors or whatever monetary units they use a year.

I converted it to dollers for your convenience, dumb thingie. Do the fucking math, 48,000 a year, 8 people. Food is actually a bit cheaper in the US, petrol is way cheaper in the US. Accommodation is way cheaper here. We are, incomewise, lower middle-class. I even suspect your household may spend more. Certainly not a lot less.

As someone who has spent money in both the US and the UK in recent years, it's 1 for 1, despite exchange rate. Compare the cost of a Coke in both countries. It's above a dollar/pound, and below 2 dollars/2 pound. Exchange rate may say something different, but bang for buck is the best measure.

When I went to Iceland, I had several grand after exchange. I'm rich motherfucker! except a burger is about 1000 kronor, or, in American, $10.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 22, 2013, 06:16:51 am
Divorce is pretty trainwrecky.

Not that Holist would know anything about that, being above it all. :roll:

Oh, not dogging on you at all, you were well within your rights. Much in the same way you told me to stop being a maudlin asshole.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 22, 2013, 06:19:00 am
Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.

I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 22, 2013, 06:47:54 am
Divorce is pretty trainwrecky.

Not that Holist would know anything about that, being above it all. :roll:

I am not above it all. Divorce (5 years ago now) came pretty close to finishing me off. Until then, I thought a "broken heart" was a sort of metaphorical expression. But then I felt it. It is not.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 22, 2013, 06:58:30 am
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 22, 2013, 07:35:44 am
As someone who has spent money in both the US and the UK in recent years, it's 1 for 1, despite exchange rate. Compare the cost of a Coke in both countries. It's above a dollar/pound, and below 2 dollars/2 pound. Exchange rate may say something different, but bang for buck is the best measure.

Well okay, (though I am a bit surprised, I've been told repeatedly that food and gas are significantly cheaper in the US) but the thing is, we moved back to Hungary July last year. So I wasn't comparing US and UK, but US and HU.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Hoopla! on November 22, 2013, 01:27:50 pm
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

Interesting, because it doesn't seem to vary that much from where I'm sitting.  Perhaps you should reconsider that.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 01:45:43 pm
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

Well, it's certainly not you.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 04:43:44 pm
Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.

I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.

Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.

I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 22, 2013, 05:24:36 pm
Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.

I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.

Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.

I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.
I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?
The series of proteins that start with absorbing a photon and end with iirc changing ADP + P -> ATP. So far nothing strange, right?
The only thing is, the efficiency of this transfer of energy is above 95%. This is not possible without quantum coherence, or so i read. I tried to better my understanding by reading up on quantum coherence but i couldn't wrap my head around it (yet, i'll think about it some more). This is of course not surprising because quantum. Dammit, i got distracted by quantum.
Anyway, there is this one protein that reacts to getting hit by a photon by changing it's configuration. (This is what proteins do, stuff interacts with them and they change shape. Pretty cool if you ask me) This brings the part of the protein that just got energy added to it (the photon agitated an electron in 'orbit' around an atom so it went into a higher 'orbit' making it more susceptible to interaction with other stuff) closer to the right part of the 2nd protein in the cascade. This electron is understandably agitated, after all, he was just chilling out in his favorite orbit and out of nowhere this photon pushes him out of his comfort zone! This 2nd protein's electron accepts the extra energy because the agitated electron on the 1st protein pokes the 2nd protein until one of it's electrons gets agitated. The agitated electron on the first protein immediatly calms the fuck down after venting his irritation. He goes back to his favorite orbit and drinks some camomile tea. This sad cascade of violence happens a few more times untill the agitation energy is brought to the other side of the membrane (did i tell you all of this is happening in the membrane of a chloroplast? it is) where quite a lot of ADP and loose P are hanging out being useless little shits. Now, the last agitated electron in the cascade is just as agitated as the first one, even though he knows nothing of the photon that originally started it all. So he grabs1 one of each of these useless bums and smashes their heads together untill they learn to play nice and work together becoming the team known as ATP.

1 ok, technically they were already held by the last protein, and the addition of the energy to the protein leads to a change in its shape that instantly smashes the two bums together, but that was harder to write into the story.

P.S. Ok, so I did remember quite  a lot of details. I'm still not entirely sure if ADP + P -> ATP is the reaction that happens at the end though. Could be something else.

P.P.S. This was fun!
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 22, 2013, 06:40:47 pm
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 22, 2013, 07:09:12 pm
The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

:mittens:

If this doesn't get through, my trolling probability will be all the way to 1
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2013, 07:33:55 pm
Incidentally ECH, your command of uncommon vulgarity is a wonder to behold.

I mean, "whistledick"?


 :lol::1fap:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2013, 07:45:20 pm
Incidentally ECH, your command of uncommon vulgarity is a wonder to behold.

I mean, "whistledick"?


 :lol::1fap:

I consider myself a master of insulting language, and I frequently find myself in awe of ECH.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 22, 2013, 10:00:35 pm
:thanks:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 10:13:57 pm
Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.

I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.

Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.

I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.
I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?
The series of proteins that start with absorbing a photon and end with iirc changing ADP + P -> ATP. So far nothing strange, right?
The only thing is, the efficiency of this transfer of energy is above 95%. This is not possible without quantum coherence, or so i read. I tried to better my understanding by reading up on quantum coherence but i couldn't wrap my head around it (yet, i'll think about it some more). This is of course not surprising because quantum. Dammit, i got distracted by quantum.
Anyway, there is this one protein that reacts to getting hit by a photon by changing it's configuration. (This is what proteins do, stuff interacts with them and they change shape. Pretty cool if you ask me) This brings the part of the protein that just got energy added to it (the photon agitated an electron in 'orbit' around an atom so it went into a higher 'orbit' making it more susceptible to interaction with other stuff) closer to the right part of the 2nd protein in the cascade. This electron is understandably agitated, after all, he was just chilling out in his favorite orbit and out of nowhere this photon pushes him out of his comfort zone! This 2nd protein's electron accepts the extra energy because the agitated electron on the 1st protein pokes the 2nd protein until one of it's electrons gets agitated. The agitated electron on the first protein immediatly calms the fuck down after venting his irritation. He goes back to his favorite orbit and drinks some camomile tea. This sad cascade of violence happens a few more times untill the agitation energy is brought to the other side of the membrane (did i tell you all of this is happening in the membrane of a chloroplast? it is) where quite a lot of ADP and loose P are hanging out being useless little shits. Now, the last agitated electron in the cascade is just as agitated as the first one, even though he knows nothing of the photon that originally started it all. So he grabs1 one of each of these useless bums and smashes their heads together untill they learn to play nice and work together becoming the team known as ATP.

1 ok, technically they were already held by the last protein, and the addition of the energy to the protein leads to a change in its shape that instantly smashes the two bums together, but that was harder to write into the story.

P.S. Ok, so I did remember quite  a lot of details. I'm still not entirely sure if ADP + P -> ATP is the reaction that happens at the end though. Could be something else.

P.P.S. This was fun!

AHahaha I like this! There's NADP+ and NADPH in there too.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2013, 10:14:39 pm
The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

:mittens:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 23, 2013, 03:00:37 am
Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.

I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.

Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.

I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.
I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?
The series of proteins that start with absorbing a photon and end with iirc changing ADP + P -> ATP. So far nothing strange, right?
The only thing is, the efficiency of this transfer of energy is above 95%. This is not possible without quantum coherence, or so i read. I tried to better my understanding by reading up on quantum coherence but i couldn't wrap my head around it (yet, i'll think about it some more). This is of course not surprising because quantum. Dammit, i got distracted by quantum.
Anyway, there is this one protein that reacts to getting hit by a photon by changing it's configuration. (This is what proteins do, stuff interacts with them and they change shape. Pretty cool if you ask me) This brings the part of the protein that just got energy added to it (the photon agitated an electron in 'orbit' around an atom so it went into a higher 'orbit' making it more susceptible to interaction with other stuff) closer to the right part of the 2nd protein in the cascade. This electron is understandably agitated, after all, he was just chilling out in his favorite orbit and out of nowhere this photon pushes him out of his comfort zone! This 2nd protein's electron accepts the extra energy because the agitated electron on the 1st protein pokes the 2nd protein until one of it's electrons gets agitated. The agitated electron on the first protein immediatly calms the fuck down after venting his irritation. He goes back to his favorite orbit and drinks some camomile tea. This sad cascade of violence happens a few more times untill the agitation energy is brought to the other side of the membrane (did i tell you all of this is happening in the membrane of a chloroplast? it is) where quite a lot of ADP and loose P are hanging out being useless little shits. Now, the last agitated electron in the cascade is just as agitated as the first one, even though he knows nothing of the photon that originally started it all. So he grabs1 one of each of these useless bums and smashes their heads together untill they learn to play nice and work together becoming the team known as ATP.

1 ok, technically they were already held by the last protein, and the addition of the energy to the protein leads to a change in its shape that instantly smashes the two bums together, but that was harder to write into the story.

P.S. Ok, so I did remember quite  a lot of details. I'm still not entirely sure if ADP + P -> ATP is the reaction that happens at the end though. Could be something else.

P.P.S. This was fun!

This is quite interesting, and something for me to keep in mind, and probably think about more, but the quantum mechanics aspect is a little bit out of the scope of this at the moment. But the link up between biology, and indeed something as vital as autotrophy being linked to quantum mechanics sounds extremely interesting.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 24, 2013, 10:25:20 pm
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

Interesting, because it doesn't seem to vary that much from where I'm sitting.  Perhaps you should reconsider that.

I think I was recently tentatively rehabilitated for the fourth time when Nigel told me about a perceived character flaw and I said she was probably right. It does vary, you're just being opinionated.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 24, 2013, 10:26:27 pm
No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

Well, it's certainly not you.

I'm certainly part of it. But I am also certain that not all them pesky underlying variables are driven by me.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 24, 2013, 10:34:06 pm
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

Kind words.

(Also, condescending words, but hey, I've gotten used to that... I'm glad that you were able to start acting like a real person right after you got through puberty. Let me ask: do you perceive any further improvement in yourself since then? I emigrated when I was 17, and I still think it was a good move... on the other hand, I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I've only just reached a point where I would say I have successfully dealt with it. I don't wish to get rid of the responsibility: self-medicating with weed for about 25 years certainly didn't help, and yes, I let many an opportunity pass me by because I was distracted by my neurosis. Maybe you were better at it... maybe you were just lucky. Maybe your self-assessment isn't quite right.)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Ben Shapiro on November 25, 2013, 01:49:24 am
Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

:)

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

Kind words.

(Also, condescending words, but hey, I've gotten used to that... I'm glad that you were able to start acting like a real person right after you got through puberty. Let me ask: do you perceive any further improvement in yourself since then? I emigrated when I was 17, and I still think it was a good move... on the other hand, I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I've only just reached a point where I would say I have successfully dealt with it. I don't wish to get rid of the responsibility: self-medicating with weed for about 25 years certainly didn't help, and yes, I let many an opportunity pass me by because I was distracted by my neurosis. Maybe you were better at it... maybe you were just lucky. Maybe your self-assessment isn't quite right.)

It's the Jews fault I'm a loser!

(http://media.tumblr.com/2f754f14e8a857667eafd2553b741a4a/tumblr_inline_mt2w8gkc9k1r4z4wv.jpg)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 25, 2013, 07:29:31 am
Flattery will get you nowhere.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 25, 2013, 08:05:35 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 25, 2013, 11:44:40 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

 :lol:

I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 26, 2013, 12:13:56 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

No, no, keep the "hole" thing. He's an assholist. And a whistledick. (Thanks, ECH, I like that one.)

The thing is, when people snark at you here, at least the people like Roger, Nigel, ECH, LMNO and Cain, it's because you were perceived as talking like an asshole. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding - in which case everyone is quick to acknowledge this - other times YOU'RE REALLY TALKING LIKE AN ASSHOLE.



Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2013, 12:26:21 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

No, no, keep the "hole" thing. He's an assholist. And a whistledick. (Thanks, ECH, I like that one.)

The thing is, when people snark at you here, at least the people like Roger, Nigel, ECH, LMNO and Cain, it's because you were perceived as talking like an asshole. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding - in which case everyone is quick to acknowledge this - other times YOU'RE REALLY TALKING LIKE AN ASSHOLE.

No, no, he has already determined that he is not the "variables". 

Which is true, really.  He's fairly constant.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 26, 2013, 12:28:03 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

No, no, keep the "hole" thing. He's an assholist. And a whistledick. (Thanks, ECH, I like that one.)

The thing is, when people snark at you here, at least the people like Roger, Nigel, ECH, LMNO and Cain, it's because you were perceived as talking like an asshole. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding - in which case everyone is quick to acknowledge this - other times YOU'RE REALLY TALKING LIKE AN ASSHOLE.

No, no, he has already determined that he is not the "variables". 

Which is true, really.  He's fairly constant.

Yes. Like a dripping faucet.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 04:36:33 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

 :lol:

I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)

HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.

 :)

The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.

And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 26, 2013, 05:22:47 am
What you said, Roger:

No, no, he has already determined that he is not the "variables". 

Which is true, really.  He's fairly constant.

What I said, a little earlier:

"I'm certainly part of it. But I am also certain that not all them pesky underlying variables are driven by me."

Hm.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 05:25:21 am
What you said, Roger:

No, no, he has already determined that he is not the "variables". 

Which is true, really.  He's fairly constant.

What I said, a little earlier:

"I'm certainly part of it. But I am also certain that not all them pesky underlying variables are driven by me."

Hm.

That makes you part of the control.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 26, 2013, 05:26:02 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

 :lol:

I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)

HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.

 :)

The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.

And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.

I'm no linguist, but holism is an English word that comes from a Greek word, 'holos', and a Greek suffix, 'isma'.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 05:49:18 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

 :lol:

I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)

HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.

 :)

The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.

And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.

I'm no linguist, but holism is an English word that comes from a Greek word, 'holos', and a Greek suffix, 'isma'.

I took Latin. Enlighten me.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 26, 2013, 05:54:07 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

 :lol:

I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)

HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.

 :)

The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.

And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.

I'm no linguist, but holism is an English word that comes from a Greek word, 'holos', and a Greek suffix, 'isma'.

I took Latin. Enlighten me.

Okay :) Let's meet here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hol).
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 26, 2013, 05:59:00 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hol&oldid=583347110
That seems accurate.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 06:03:17 am
I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

 :lol:

I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in. :)

HOLISM IS AN ENGLISH WORD MOTHERFUCKER. NOT HUNGARIAN.

 :)

The Klingon word for Klingon Language (and one of the very few Klingon words I know) is tlHingan Hol.

And since tlHingan or however it's spelled, means Klingon, that must make you a motherfucking linguist.

I'm no linguist, but holism is an English word that comes from a Greek word, 'holos', and a Greek suffix, 'isma'.

I took Latin. Enlighten me.

Okay :) Let's meet here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hol).

I demand Waffles as an arbitrator.

Mainly for big hugs and heavy metal and perhaps drinking more than we should, but YOU brought up Norway. I brought up Klingons.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 06:04:33 am
Still doesn't answer my question, since you know it'd Greek then tell me what it means.

No, I will not look it up. As we say in America, ball's in your court. Your responsibility to tell me what it means.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 06:05:30 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hol&oldid=583347110
That seems accurate.

:spittake:

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:


OH MY GOD
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 06:06:47 am
Quoted for posterity:

Dear god I can't stop laughing.


Quote from: Wikipedia
Hol is a municipality in Buskerud county, Norway. Holist, on the other hand, is an insufferable twat.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 06:12:18 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 26, 2013, 07:34:52 am
Still doesn't answer my question, since you know it'd Greek then tell me what it means.

No, I will not look it up. As we say in America, ball's in your court. Your responsibility to tell me what it means.

The etymology is interesting: the word was introduced into the English language by a certain South African gent name of Smuts, in 1926, in his book 'Holism and Evolution'.

"This character of "wholeness" meets us everywhere and points to something fundamental in the universe. Holism (from [holos] = whole) is the term here coined for this fundamental factor operative towards the creation of wholes in the universe." - he wrote.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 07:47:12 am
Still doesn't answer my question, since you know it'd Greek then tell me what it means.

No, I will not look it up. As we say in America, ball's in your court. Your responsibility to tell me what it means.

The etymology is interesting: the word was introduced into the English language by a certain South African gent name of Smuts, in 1926, in his book 'Holism and Evolution'.

"This character of "wholeness" meets us everywhere and points to something fundamental in the universe. Holism (from [holos] = whole) is the term here coined for this fundamental factor operative towards the creation of wholes in the universe." - he wrote.

Cheers.

Hehehehe, Smuts.

Anyway, I'm going to go with the law of homonyms since hol- means whole which sounds like hole, so it's hol-e.

Blight,
:hands shovel:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 08:03:17 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hol&oldid=583347110
That seems accurate.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 08:05:40 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 26, 2013, 08:06:31 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 08:07:24 am
Still doesn't answer my question, since you know it'd Greek then tell me what it means.

No, I will not look it up. As we say in America, ball's in your court. Your responsibility to tell me what it means.

SPOILER: it essentially means "the whole thing". It isn't interesting or esoteric in the least.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2013, 08:07:57 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Pæs on November 26, 2013, 08:09:37 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2013, 08:11:12 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 26, 2013, 09:57:32 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.

Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Cain on November 26, 2013, 10:09:32 am
Oh noes, a record of an IP address he shares with thousands of others.  No doubt Wikipedia are calling the NZ secret police right now, to apprehend this cybervigilante.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Junkenstein on November 26, 2013, 10:13:07 am
He truly is the worst thing to happen to wikipedia since Willy on wheels.

Fortunately Willy is now behind bars where he belongs. He is still believed to be on wheels.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Faust on November 26, 2013, 11:48:46 am
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.

Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used.  :lulz:

So what? Get him banned from contributing to wikipedia. I've been banned dozens of times because of this, as you can see, it is now a bastion of truth and a wellspring of well referenced material, we should all strive to protect Wikipedias fine maiden honour.
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 26, 2013, 02:17:03 pm
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.

Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used.  :lulz:

So what? Get him banned from contributing to wikipedia. I've been banned dozens of times because of this, as you can see, it is now a bastion of truth and a wellspring of well referenced material, we should all strive to protect Wikipedias fine maiden honour.

No, actually, wrongly assuming the IP was possibly unique to him (of course it probably isn't), I just thought that having the fact that he vandalised a Wikipedia page to stick his tongue out immortalised was kind of funny. My bad, I apologise. :)
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Faust on November 26, 2013, 02:44:19 pm
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.

Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used.  :lulz:

So what? Get him banned from contributing to wikipedia. I've been banned dozens of times because of this, as you can see, it is now a bastion of truth and a wellspring of well referenced material, we should all strive to protect Wikipedias fine maiden honour.

No, actually, wrongly assuming the IP was possibly unique to him (of course it probably isn't), I just thought that having the fact that he vandalised a Wikipedia page to stick his tongue out immortalised was kind of funny. My bad, I apologise. :)
Ah, Wikipedia page history is a filthy soaking rag of immortalised vandalisation. The're games based entirely around vandalising wikipedia pages and seeing what true sounding garbage you can insert, the longer it is there the better.

Then there are pages that are warzones of changes,
Scientology and the like.
Or this ugly beast: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Fantasy_VII&action=history
Title: Re: Mommy Shaming
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 26, 2013, 03:26:51 pm
Oh man, it's already been taken down.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Still up for me.
Should only be visible with the link I quoted, which is to the page history. The real page has been updated.

SAD

AND TEMPORARY
And permanently saved as part of wikipedia's history.

Along with your IP, or at least that of the proxy you used.  :lulz:

So what? Get him banned from contributing to wikipedia. I've been banned dozens of times because of this, as you can see, it is now a bastion of truth and a wellspring of well referenced material, we should all strive to protect Wikipedias fine maiden honour.

No, actually, wrongly assuming the IP was possibly unique to him (of course it probably isn't), I just thought that having the fact that he vandalised a Wikipedia page to stick his tongue out immortalised was kind of funny. My bad, I apologise. :)
Ah, Wikipedia page history is a filthy soaking rag of immortalised vandalisation. The're games based entirely around vandalising wikipedia pages and seeing what true sounding garbage you can insert, the longer it is there the better.

Then there are pages that are warzones of changes,
Scientology and the like.
Or this ugly beast: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Fantasy_VII&action=history

You don't say!  :aaa: