Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 26, 2017, 05:00:45 am

Title: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 26, 2017, 05:00:45 am
One thing i've always loved about Discordianism is the ability to be your own cult leader. To define what one believes for oneself without some ass with a funny hat and a book tell you whats right and wrong. Given this freedom of course, why wouldnt one dabble in the weirder, spicier, more adventurous entrees of the philosophical buffet? i know i always have and i'm betting i'm not alone. So i've been thinking what we need here is a place to bring out our weirdest beliefs, the irrational, the superstitious, the absolute bugfuck, and talk about them without judging mocking or deciding who's imaginary friends are the best. I'll go first.

-in addition to being a Pope, I am also a Dudeist priest, because apparently one joke religion wasn't enough for me
-In addition to that, I am also a Unitarian Universalist, because it's nice to have a community of people around me who, as far as i can tell, worship The Idea of Not Being An Asshole.
-I dabble in Chaos magic and such and the reason i'm not more into it is I'm a little afraid it might a actually work.
-I also dabble in a bit of Zen buddhism, specifically listening to Alan Watts whenever i'm bored.
-I have listened to Grant Morrison describe the universe as a giant life form (like a Space baby or a giant egg) and decided fuck it, i like it, makes sense to me.
-I am you and you are me and we are all together. koo koo ka choo
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2017, 05:08:36 am
I am a Discordian and a Subgenius, and I have Last Thursdayist leanings.

But mostly I'm a Subgenius, I think.  They understand doom.  They are no less prone to infighting and toxicity, of course, but they are less self-righteous about it.  There's no posing behind ideological bullshit, Legume hates Stutler, Nenslo hates everyone, and nobody claims to have the "moral high ground".  It's refreshing, in a way.

I frequently assume that educated people are by definition better people. 

I have become emotionally-fatigued about justice, and the fate of the world, and all of God's horrible little children.

Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2017, 05:17:22 am
Also

- I spent 15 years trying to be something I'm not.  I don't recommend that to anyone.
- I spent 6 years allowing myself to be destructively conditioned by an abusive person.  I also do not recommend that to anyone.
- I tried kicking monkeys into the future, which was stupid.  If you want them to accept it, you have to sell it to them.
- I haven't been to Boston for like four and a half years.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Ben Shapiro on June 26, 2017, 05:19:23 am
The only constant in the multiverse is Texas.
Rock n Roll isn't for the weak that's why there's Yoga.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 26, 2017, 01:19:49 pm
There is a law, like a law of physics but worse, that says the universe and everything that happens inside it must take the most tedious path possible. For any given number of equally plausible explanations for any phenomenon, the most boring one will always turn out to be the correct one.

The path that leads to enlightenment also leads to sneaking around in the dark in your own house at 3 AM trying to evade phantom cops and stubbing your toe on the fucking coffee table again, and that's why nobody's interested.

What happened to the 1960s is personified by Pink Floyd: a few people that could have threatened the establishment let their art go to their heads and turned into High Definition Showcase caricatures of themselves.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Faust on June 26, 2017, 02:47:33 pm
Traditional follower of Esoteric Order of Dagon here, I'm just an old fashioned guy who likes a cold beer, long strolls on moonlit beaches and living in fear of the dreamer waking and the universe ceasing to be.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on June 26, 2017, 03:06:58 pm
I'm about 90% certain that multiple versions of this world exist and that the universe is entirely electrical, that is to say that "gravity" is merely the electromagnetic force operating on an unthinkable scale because mass is in fact infinite... and we and the "universe" are just charge coming off of a hyper-particle and accelerating towards another.

Also... sometimes it would seem that God responds to my prayers. This is not always a good thing like they tell you in the churches. Maybe I need to swear and cuss less, but G don't seem to mind. If anything it's better than all the "praise" spam G usually gets. G assures me that the whole gravity thing above is nothing I need worry about.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 26, 2017, 04:14:24 pm
I can't shake the simulation hypothesis. I don't believe it, on account of I'm physically incapable of believing anything but it does seem statistically most likely that we're in the matrix or, more precisely, we're in a Matrix within a Matrix, within a near infinite regression of matryoshka simluations.

I prefer science and technology to religion and superstition but, that said, if you really want to properly fuck with people's heads religion and superstition has the scientific method banged to rights
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 26, 2017, 05:29:12 pm
I believe transhumanism is the next logical step in human evolution and, if implemented properly, has the potential to make us MORE human not less, by bypassing certain defects leftover from being cavemen, such as the monkeysphere problem. I think that in the future they'll come up with a kind of synthetic neural pathway that allows the frontal lobe to respond to stimuli at the same time as the older lizard brain parts, thus allowing our brains to respond with logic about as quickly as it does emotion.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Ben Shapiro on June 26, 2017, 05:55:47 pm
It's not,but it will make humanity more hilarious. Class warfare with competiting human upgrades.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Cramulus on June 26, 2017, 06:04:55 pm
Okay, here's a few....

I'm in a Gurdjieff cult. I'm trying on the beliefs, to see how they fell. So far so good! The big stumbling block for me right now is trying to transition from a post-modern / absurdist worldview (ie, the universe is inherently meaningless, but meaning can be created) - to a modern worldview (the universe is a living organism with needs and desires, which generate a form of intrinsic meaning). Eventually I hope they will teach me the Sacred Movements that will awaken me and raise not just my own consciousness, but the universe's consciousness.

I don't believe most people have a soul, but through hard work ("conscious labor and intentional suffering"), I think you can create something like a soul within yourself.

I don't literally believe in ghosts but I used to live in a creepy old farmhouse, and haunting (or a poltergeist or something?) is the best explanation for a few of the weird things that happened there over the years.

I'm in a gray area of belief on some of the more rigorous parapsychological experiments.

I believe that Timothy Leary was able to astrally project himself out of solitary confinement. Robert Anton Wilson's account (I think it was in Quantum Psychology?) of being visited by Spirit-Leary struck me as 'not a coincidence'.

I do not practice chaos magic anymore. I do think it works, but I only buy into Peter Carroll's "Psychological model", that is, it's all in your head ("You just have no idea how big your head is" -Lon Milo DuQuette). But a few of the tricks I picked up while I did practice Chaos Magic still work 100% well for me today. Mostly, techniques I developed for focusing and centering myself.

I've had one or two "gnostic experiences", moments when the GLARING LIGHT OF TRUTH shown through the fabric of reality and I was able to see things "how they really are", from outside of myself.  Of course, you never know if that's just the demiurge, fuckin with y'all. But like Kierkegaard says... if you start hearing voices that might be God, maybe you're crazy, but you've gotta proceed anyway.

If I want to be really straight, I'm an agnostic, but also - these days I believe in God. But only by using the word God in a very specific way.. The Alpha and Omega. By God I mean the Entire Universe At Once. The whole thing. All the matter, all the space, all the shit that happens. God is the entity which produces the sound OM. So the word God is a bit misleading, because it implies a dude. I like the word Gurdjieff uses instead, "The Absolute", the totality of existence all added up with nothing left over. So maybe that's not even woo. But when somebody talks about God, I just mentally substitute A:Ω.

Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 26, 2017, 07:25:13 pm
It's not,but it will make humanity more hilarious. Class warfare with competiting human upgrades.
Hey, if I can't live in GitS, I'll settle for Transmetropolitan.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Ziegejunge on June 26, 2017, 08:09:56 pm
This is good. I think woo is important for a variety of reasons.

- When I was three years old, I asked my mom to teach me how to be weird. "Just be yourself," she told me. Truer words and all that...

- I believe in some version of Mythic Time, or Dreamtime (if I recall correctly, Gurdjieff called it "Heropass" in Beelzebub's Tales.) Basically, some non-chronological river of time that interacts with and sometimes bisects our Chronological Time, but which does not run exclusively parallel to it.

- I believe that human consciousness, and perhaps even other forms of consciousness, can by nature interact with both Mythic Time and Chronological Time. The idea that "we are the universe observing itself" perhaps fits this notion.

- My current hypothetical cosmological model resembles a yin-yang extrapolated outward into a sphere. My hunch is that this universal sphere "breathes," so that as the darkness expands in one pool, the light side contracts in the other pool, and vice-versa. I also suspect that human consciousness has some effect on this "breathing," but I am honest about the likelihood of this suspicion being due to anthropological conceit.

- I use the light and dark metaphor above, but only reluctantly. The older i get, the less charm said metaphor holds for me. If we were mole-people instead of monkey-people, for example, I expect we would focus a lot more on good and bad vibrations and less on light and dark. Whether or not those means would lead to a different end, who can say? I mostly just don't want to unduly demonize darkness nor sanctify light.

- To put it another way, I believe that Michael Ende's The Neverending Story (the book, not necessarily the cinematic adaptations) is a fairly robust metaphor for my hypothetical model of reality disguised as a children's book, hence adopting AURYN as my avatar here. In that story, the protagonist, Bastian, is literally transported from Chronological Time to Mythic Time because Mythic Time needs him to observe it and interact with it or else it will cease to exist, consumed by the Nothing.

     Once there, Bastian saves the day by naming the sovereign of the world and discovers hence that while in Fantastica he has the power to make his wishes into reality -- but realizes almost too late that with every wish, he loses a memory of his life in the real world and must quest for a way home at risk of compromising his very identity.

- I'm also very fond of the idea that humans are "a species with amnesia." That also fits The Neverending Story metaphor assuming that Earth is Fantastica: according to most mythological histories, we came here, starting naming shit, and began reworking reality according to our individual wills until we forgot where we originally "came from," at least in a spiritual sense.

- I'm currently very interested in learning more about shamanism and the role of spiritual leaders -- especially shamanistic ones -- with respect to society and history. Part of me can't help but wonder if there is some value to the role that Western Civilization has diminished to our collective detriment.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Hoopla! on June 26, 2017, 08:37:07 pm
I am a discordian. I also dabble in chaos magic, but I am super lazy about it and rarely do much... which is why I lean toward chaos magic, it's the one of the only systems where that sort of devotion is permissible.

My personal woo:

-I believe in demons. or rather, I believe in discarnate entities which have never held physical bodies - my beliefs in this subject are heavily influenced by the (admittedly rather sloppy) writings of John Keel
-I sort of believe in ghosts, but my personal belief is that they are some form of 'photography' or recording we do not yet understand
-I think its possible something like sasquatches exist, though I am not married to them being entirely physical
-I fully believe in multiple universes, and my theory is they are inside us, deeper and deeper down, and outside our universe going farther and farther up

There may be more I cannot recall at the moment.

BTW, I love this thread, Chelagoras. I haven't fully read everyone else's because I am at work, but will be devouring this evening.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 26, 2017, 08:52:31 pm
Thanks. This has got to be one of the liveliest discussions I've seen around here in years.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 26, 2017, 10:00:49 pm
I genuinely believe that persistent thoughts have some kind of "realness."
I don't think every fictional character is "real," but I think "real" is a thing they can become.
A "real" character is owed a certain level of respect and autonomy.

No, I don't have a better word for what I'm trying to get at there, suffer my scare quotes.

Besides that:
I will absolutely imagine shoving [insert emotional state or abstract concept] into a rock and imagine taking it out again as needed, because fuckit who gives a shit how stupid it is if it works.
I once thought I heard the electricity in the wires of the machine that's running the universe.
The only time my prayers are answered are when they're directed at people I made up.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2017, 12:39:46 am
I believe transhumanism is the next logical step in human evolution and, if implemented properly, has the potential to make us MORE human not less, by bypassing certain defects leftover from being cavemen, such as the monkeysphere problem. I think that in the future they'll come up with a kind of synthetic neural pathway that allows the frontal lobe to respond to stimuli at the same time as the older lizard brain parts, thus allowing our brains to respond with logic about as quickly as it does emotion.

I believe that this will make one hell of a horror movie, really.  It's got the "we're not there yet so let's guess" approach of Altered States, with turbo-powered lizard brain zombie things.

I mean, seriously, my frontal lobes are way more awful than my lizard brain.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2017, 12:41:08 am
I genuinely believe that persistent thoughts have some kind of "realness."
I don't think every fictional character is "real," but I think "real" is a thing they can become.
A "real" character is owed a certain level of respect and autonomy.

No, I don't have a better word for what I'm trying to get at there, suffer my scare quotes.


Yossarian is as real as he needs to be in the 21st century, so I can't argue with this.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2017, 12:48:54 am
I believe in the (short) future.
I believe in Saturday Night™, despite the lack of evidence.
I believe that the party is still out there somewhere.
And also,
I believe in Pango.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 27, 2017, 03:28:39 am
I believe transhumanism is the next logical step in human evolution and, if implemented properly, has the potential to make us MORE human not less, by bypassing certain defects leftover from being cavemen, such as the monkeysphere problem. I think that in the future they'll come up with a kind of synthetic neural pathway that allows the frontal lobe to respond to stimuli at the same time as the older lizard brain parts, thus allowing our brains to respond with logic about as quickly as it does emotion.

I believe that this will make one hell of a horror movie, really.  It's got the "we're not there yet so let's guess" approach of Altered States, with turbo-powered lizard brain zombie things.

I mean, seriously, my frontal lobes are way more awful than my lizard brain.
Dude, I would totally watch this. Like, they try it on a guy who's a sociopath, he goes from antisocial mumbly dude with no empathy to a Dexter level serial killer.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 27, 2017, 03:33:24 am
Also, I would really like to pick the brains of some of the other chaos magicians around here. I've nevery tried much beyond chaos sigils, so if anyone's got advice on sound sigils, or servitors, I'd be all ears.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Vanadium Gryllz on June 27, 2017, 03:39:30 pm
My Discordianism is THINK FOR YOURSELF.

This has led me to discover that when it comes down to core beliefs there aren't many that I can claim to hold. All things are true in some sense, false in some sense and meaningless in most.

This is not a very fulfilling worldview.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Fallenkezef on June 27, 2017, 03:55:28 pm
I'm just a boring pagan.

Not a fluffly bunny, "let's steal from every religion in the world" wiccan. Old fashioned, nordic tradition pagan.

My worldview tends to be a bit darker and more old school as a result.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Brother Mythos on June 27, 2017, 05:17:48 pm
I believe in karma.

I believe ‘Qi’ is real. (I was introduced to it as ‘Chi,’ in the course of my studies of the martial arts.)

I believe the oracle of the I Ching works, although I do not know why. (My best guess is Qi, whatever that is.)

I believe I had several out of body experiences, as a young man.

I do not believe in much, therefore I am a Buddhist. (I am not, however, a good Buddhist.)

I believe that, on it’s present course, humanity will cause it’s own extinction.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 27, 2017, 05:34:13 pm
Some woo I didn't include earlier:

I believe animals can sense mood and some character traits through some mechanism I have not identified, but that goes beyond body language and smell.

I don't believe in ego/"self" survival past death, but I do believe that consciousness itself survives, somehow.

I believe in meaningful synchronicity orchestrated by some "intelligence" (for lack of a better word) beyond mere coincidence.

I believe some chemically induced states of awareness can open senses and intuition to real phenomena filtered out by "normal" consciousness.


Also, I also experienced an OOBE when I was a kid, and again (briefly) recently, but I don't put too much stock in it because of the aforementioned principal that such things are impossible on account of the universe being intrinsically boring.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2017, 02:27:51 am
All those nuclear tests in the 50s - 80s were actually the US and Russian government wiping out alien infestations.

So shut your gob and love the bomb.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2017, 02:30:45 am
No other explanation makes sense.  How many times do you have to "test" known technology?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: 00.dusk on June 28, 2017, 03:57:31 am
No other explanation makes sense.  How many times do you have to "test" known technology?

That's actually a good point. There were about 10 tests or so involving new ideas (gun-fired bombs, the Teller-Uram device in the Castle tests, Project Plowshare, etc) and about 5 or so on environmental effects after Castle Bravo fucked the dog, but there's hundreds upon hundreds of tests out there that we know of, and that's just the USA. Most have a listed test purpose, but some of those smell like obvious lies.

You might actually be on to something, by god.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2017, 04:28:55 am
No other explanation makes sense.  How many times do you have to "test" known technology?

That's actually a good point. There were about 10 tests or so involving new ideas (gun-fired bombs, the Teller-Uram device in the Castle tests, Project Plowshare, etc) and about 5 or so on environmental effects after Castle Bravo fucked the dog, but there's hundreds upon hundreds of tests out there that we know of, and that's just the USA. Most have a listed test purpose, but some of those smell like obvious lies.

You might actually be on to something, by god.

You don't bargain with alien Goddamn fungus.  You nuke it.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Bu☆ns on June 28, 2017, 06:23:53 am
I'm not really sure anymore. I think it has something to with presence and spontaneity.  Love helps a lot. If we are all one thing together then my basic predicament in any given situation is to be both or remember both aspects. This is my understanding of service and apply it as a guiding principle in my life.

That is when I'm not being a selfish prick.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 28, 2017, 07:00:35 am
I dunno, I could totally see our military scheduling nuclear tests just to watch the things go off. I mean, footage of nuke tests? They're like if god saw a KISS concert and decided to come down and show us how its done. With real lightning.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Brother Mythos on June 28, 2017, 07:35:48 am
WOO! – Chapter 2

I believe Synchronicity is real. I have experienced it on many occasions.

I am a Jungian. (I was introduced to the work of C. G. Jung by my best martial arts instructor, who also has a MS degree in Psychology.)

I believe ‘time’ is merely an effect of motion, not a cause in and of itself. (I believe most people, physicists included, overthink the subject.)   

I believe time travel is only possible in one direction, the future.

I believe there is plenty of life in the universe, but precious little sentient, tool-using life. I do not believe mankind will ever make contact with other sentient, tool-using beings, or find evidence that they exist(ed).
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 28, 2017, 08:44:15 am
I'm pretty sure there is a preponderance of intelligent life in the universe. Probably miles in advance of us talking apes. I also have a sneaking suspicion that our nearest neighboring civilisation is a couple of trillion galaxies away and still bound by the speed of light.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Faust on June 28, 2017, 10:51:43 am
Ok, I'll bite:

I believe that the use of tools and technology are not outside of the evolutionary process and are part of the ecological process. That the evolutionary process is more complex then just competition of genes, and that industrialisation may have a direct purpose in the ecology of the planet.

Extrapolating from that, if there is a need for humans to have access to space, large energy utilisation and instantaneous communication world wide, over a very small space of time (industrial age until now), if there is an urgency for us having access to these, there may be a significant risk approaching us.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Ziegejunge on June 28, 2017, 06:19:20 pm
My Woo Part II:

- I also believe in karma, after a fashion. I think it's tied to Mythic Time somehow, which is why we can't accurately measure causal karma. If this aspect of the universe is "breathing," as I suspect, then there will be times when karma seems almost instant, and other times when the return is so distanced we may not necessarily observe it.

- I've been learning to read Tarot since January 2016, which is admittedly not very long and I still rely heavily on reference materials.

I do not use Tarot as a divination or prognostication tool and I personally believe it is irresponsible to do so. I do not believe in a fixed future; I believe the choices we make now define what we call the future. With that in mind, reading Tarot as a tool for self-reflection in the present has been incredibly fruitful and occasionally eerily on-point.

At the very least, it's a good writing prompt/practice. At best it can help provide insight or new perspectives and even sometimes peace of mind or motivation, all of which of course will affect one's approach to life and ergo one's future. That's a primary reason why it's easy to believe it's predictive in hindsight.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 28, 2017, 07:05:38 pm
Religious affiliations, all of which I take with varying degrees of seriousness:
Discordianism, Cult of Gozer, The Joyous Congregation of the Smiling God, First Church of Polydeism

Previous religious affiliations:
Roman Catholicism, Wicca, Irish Polytheism, and briefly, Reform Judaism

Theological positions: usually emergent pantheism, sometimes deism or bureaucratic polytheism. But usually pantheism. Also, because we have begun to utilize technology to increase our mobility and interconnectivity, God is a cyborg.

Other: humans don't have souls, but we have eternal life here on Earth, owing to the fact that time is a dimension. We only perceive ourselves as experiencing it as a one way trip. This also means that everything were going to do has already been done, so I suppose you could say I believe in a sort of fate.

I believe the one of the simplest explanations for the Fermi Paradox is the one that is secretly the most horrifying to us: we're the most advanced civilization, if not the only civilization, in this part of the galaxy, if not the whole galaxy. For some strange reason we have trouble imagining that we might be the first, even though someone has to be. I believe this is horrifying to us in the same way that the idea of there being no benevolent Creator god is horrifying.

I believe that dreams and thoughts are real in their own way, off to the side of objective reality. You experience a dream and it is real to you in that moment, much in the same way that your subjective experience of objective reality is real to you.

I fight off self destructive impulses by "choosing to remain in the primary timeline." This, despite me believing in what is in essence determinism. If alternate universes exist and bud off of each other through decision, there's a whole lot of dead Twids and horrified onlookers.

I believe that to a degree every position is a belief. Since believe means merely to accept as true, it's possible to believe things that are obvious. I believe that believing that one has no beliefs is in itself a belief, and the most delusional one.

I'll see if more comes to me later.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: LMNO on June 28, 2017, 07:15:09 pm
Your solution to the Fermi Paradox is quite elegant.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 28, 2017, 07:41:43 pm
Your solution to the Fermi Paradox is quite elegant.

Thank you, sir!
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 28, 2017, 07:52:00 pm
I hate how people call it a paradox. There's fuck all paradoxical about it if you're prepared to entertain the notion that a half arsed calculation based on a bunch of wild assumptions might have been out by anything from 0 to a zillion
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 28, 2017, 08:07:44 pm
I hate how people call it a paradox. There's fuck all paradoxical about it if you're prepared to entertain the notion that a half arsed calculation based on a bunch of wild assumptions might have been out by anything from 0 to a zillion

Yeah. It's disappointing if there are no aliens but also bit necessarily a shocker. Even if another world has microbes, there's no guarantee that multicellular life would evolve. Microbes are pretty good at dealing with far harsher conditions than we can handle.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2017, 10:52:29 pm
The universe isn't really all that old.  We could very easily be the elder species, aka someone's amazing archeological find.

We should research how to put people in stasis.  That should be a priority.

Surprise, "Galactic Space Brothers".
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 28, 2017, 11:01:39 pm
The universe isn't really all that old.  We could very easily be the elder species, aka someone's amazing archeological find.

We should research how to put people in stasis.  That should be a priority.

Surprise, "Galactic Space Brothers".

 :lulz:

Write very clearly on the tanks, in English, which they can't read: Caution: Reactivate Humans At Extreme Peril
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chucklemaster on June 28, 2017, 11:39:36 pm
I am an occultist. I study alchemy, chaos magic, animism, kabbalah and a whole lot of other stuff and I find much of it very believable or at least reasonable.
I am a discordian and a taoist. I like the term chaoist.
I have heard people talk about gods and spirits and talking to ideas and the collective unconscious and the anima & animus and jung's theories on that sort of thing and decided that makes sense to me.
I have had a vision while doing gnostic meditation narrated to me by a text-to-speech engine.
I believe in free will.
I've listened to Rupert Sheldrake and believe that many things that are considered "supernatural", perhaps even all of them, are real phenomena that science simply doesn't have explanations for yet. "ghosts" aren't necessarily Ghosts, they might not even all be the same thing, but many of these things happen and it's worth looking into what's going on.
I have no idea what a lot of things are. I have my theories, which I could with you about for ages, but I won't here because it would take forever.
I believe that life has no meaning whatsoever and that that is one of the best things about it.
I think the druids had something going there.
I'll add to this if I think of more later.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2017, 11:46:56 pm
I've listened to Rupert Sheldrake and believe that many things that are considered "supernatural", perhaps even all of them, are real phenomena that science simply doesn't have explanations for yet. "ghosts" aren't necessarily Ghosts, they might not even all be the same thing, but many of these things happen and it's worth looking into what's going on.

I believe that people honestly see ghosts.

But I think neurology will explain that faster than anything else.  You don't have to be crazy to have your brain play tricks on you.  Your brain is a dick, and will fuck with you for no reason.  And then laugh at you.  That piece of shit is definitely NOT on your side.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 28, 2017, 11:52:06 pm
I've listened to Rupert Sheldrake and believe that many things that are considered "supernatural", perhaps even all of them, are real phenomena that science simply doesn't have explanations for yet. "ghosts" aren't necessarily Ghosts, they might not even all be the same thing, but many of these things happen and it's worth looking into what's going on.

I believe that people honestly see ghosts.

But I think neurology will explain that faster than anything else.  You don't have to be crazy to have your brain play tricks on you.  Your brain is a dick, and will fuck with you for no reason.  And then laugh at you.  That piece of shit is definitely NOT on your side.

100% truth
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Hoopla! on June 29, 2017, 12:50:00 am
I adore this thread. And all of you.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 12:55:46 am
I adore this thread. And all of you.


I adore Nurse Rhizome.  But she got eaten by starving Expo employees.   :cry:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Hoopla! on June 29, 2017, 01:12:00 am
I adore this thread. And all of you.


I adore Nurse Rhizome.  But she got eaten by starving Expo employees.   :cry:

It's either her or Kraft Dinner. Which would you choose??
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 01:23:04 am
I adore this thread. And all of you.


I adore Nurse Rhizome.  But she got eaten by starving Expo employees.   :cry:

It's either her or Kraft Dinner. Which would you choose??

No question.  But STILL.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 29, 2017, 01:29:30 am
I should send her an email, I think I last communicated with her around Christmas
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 01:40:16 am
I should send her an email, I think I last communicated with her around Christmas

That would be incredibly cool.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 29, 2017, 06:28:17 am
Expanding on previous:

I think questions as to whether the Universe is a simulation is interesting, but ultimately meaningless. Even if a simulation, it's as good as real to us, and at that point, simulation and reality become indistinguishable. It may be bits in someone else's computer (I don't think it is), but that doesn't make a bit of difference on the inside.

Speaking of which, I think that what we perceive as the Big Bang is someone else's black hole. Most of the time. Other times I entertain other thoughts about the origin and fate of the universe. Most of it is probably poorly formulated. I am after all way better educated in biology than physics, but when did a layman's understanding of physics ever get in the way of tasty, tasty woo, amirite? Don't worry, I won't ever being up quantumz. I don't see anything especially meaningful about stairs on a staircase other than that's just how stairs are put together. (An analogy to make LMNO grumble, perhaps)
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 29, 2017, 07:02:30 am
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 29, 2017, 07:19:06 am
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 29, 2017, 08:32:12 am
I heartily support this plan.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Brother Mythos on June 29, 2017, 05:14:04 pm
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I’ve never taken the ‘we’re all just inside a computer simulation thing’ seriously. But, your take on it is brilliant! I’m going to use your argument on the next person that babbles to me about our universe being someone else’s compute simulation.

Thank you.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 29, 2017, 05:28:55 pm
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I’ve never taken the ‘we’re all just inside a computer simulation thing’ seriously. But, your take on it is brilliant! I’m going to use your argument on the next person that babbles to me about our universe being someone else’s compute simulation.

Thank you.

No probs Bobs
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 09:53:33 pm
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I AM SKYNET
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 29, 2017, 10:14:19 pm
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I AM SKYNET

I wouldn't mind being uploaded to an extrauniversal T800
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 10:55:11 pm
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I AM SKYNET

I wouldn't mind being uploaded to an extrauniversal T800

Is that the one that can change shapes?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 30, 2017, 12:03:37 am
Nah, that's the T-1000.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 01:44:51 am
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I AM SKYNET

I wouldn't mind being uploaded to an extrauniversal T800

Is that the one that can change shapes?
800 is Arnold, but they won't see us coming anyway
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 30, 2017, 03:40:35 am
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I AM SKYNET

I wouldn't mind being uploaded to an extrauniversal T800

Is that the one that can change shapes?
800 is Arnold, but they won't see us coming anyway

This is inferior.

If I could change my shape at will, none of you would ever sleep again.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: rong on June 30, 2017, 12:15:06 pm
While daydreaming about the Riemann Sphere and/or a projective plane, I realized that real trick to making anything that is infinite finite and comprehensible is to add another dimension.  ( i.e. project a line onto a circle, a plane onto a sphere) some more jumps in logic led me to the belief that there are infinitely many dimensions.  I think that's the closest to understanding what god really is I'll ever be.

I base my moral code on the belief that nobody chose to be here, and everyone is going to die.  Just like the waiting room - there's a solemness and politeness in the waiting room and you really never leave it.

I believe we are entering a new age and it is shaping up to be the strange times* - now more than ever it is extremely important to think for yourself, schmuck

Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 01:20:49 pm
I like this waiting room analogy
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 30, 2017, 01:40:39 pm
What I really like about the simulation hypothesis is not the argument itself, it's the tendency in the reactions of people hearing it to fall into one or two categories - they either instantly believe it cos the mathematical logic is so compelling or they dismiss it as ridiculous.

It strikes me the believers are at an intellectual advantage, in that, although they may be wrong to believe such nonsense, they have displayed an admiral ability to accept what seems like complete nonsense in light of compelling mathematical logic.

And to them who declare, "well it's just too ridiculous", trust me - if it turns out that there are matryoshka simulations regressing near infinitely and even if it doesn't, there's still something at the bottom of the rabbit hole that is fucking weird on a level that would make simulations or gods or discs on elephants on the back of turtles look downright mundane. Being able to wrap your head around ridiculous shit would seem to be a prerequisite to figuring it out.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Faust on June 30, 2017, 02:05:44 pm
The simulation hypotheses doesn't necessitate deliberate interaction from outside. For instance, our universe could have the upper constraints on speed of light, lower constraints on vacuum energy as the energy floor and the amount of mass in the universe as a side effect of interactions of forces outside of the constraints we are know or understand, something two universes brushing up against each other causing a temporary state of matter, atomic structure and our fundamental forces. We might still only exist as a property of another system, regardless of it being a deliberate construct of beings outside this reality, but still only exists as part of the rule set of that interaction.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: rong on June 30, 2017, 05:47:18 pm
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 06:58:43 pm
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Faust on June 30, 2017, 06:59:50 pm
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Simulation does not imply a creator, we could be a biproduct of another system.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 30, 2017, 07:01:26 pm
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Simulation does not imply a creator, we could be a biproduct of another system.

The possibilities are pretty much endless but it has to be one of them. And whatever it is, it's weird as fuck.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Hoopla! on June 30, 2017, 07:13:31 pm
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Personally, I don't so much disbelieve in God as I reject God. If there were some programmer out there responsible for children suffering through worms eating their eyes, yeah fuck that guy too. It doesn't matter who is creating the misery, it's that misery is being intentionally created. If that's moving goalposts, then get me a wrench, I've got some goalposts to move.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 30, 2017, 07:31:40 pm
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Personally, I don't so much disbelieve in God as I reject God. If there were some programmer out there responsible for children suffering through worms eating their eyes, yeah fuck that guy too. It doesn't matter who is creating the misery, it's that misery is being intentionally created. If that's moving goalposts, then get me a wrench, I've got some goalposts to move.

Aw but come on man, what about beautiful sunsets and your team winning the Super Bowl sometimes? Surely that makes up for a few million dead foreign kids.

Seriously tho, I think if there is any power outside the universe responsible for our existence, it has to be either entirely accidental and natural (or whatever word means 'natural' on a scale that big), or only vaguely intentional and experimental with almost no ability to perceive the daily lives of creatures inside the simulation.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Brother Mythos on June 30, 2017, 08:04:22 pm
So, all of this begs the question: If The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension was so bad in our limited dimensions, how bad could it have possibly been in the 8th Dimension?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 30, 2017, 08:06:15 pm
So, all of this begs the question: If The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension was so bad in our limited dimensions, how bad could it have possibly been in the 8th Dimension?

You shut your whore mouth about Buckaroo Banzai!  :rogpipe:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: rong on June 30, 2017, 08:06:50 pm
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Simulation does not imply a creator, we could be a biproduct of another system.

I think I follow what you mean, but I think our difference of opinion lies in the meaning of simulation - if its not on purpose, is it still a simulation?  I would say no
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Brother Mythos on June 30, 2017, 08:10:40 pm
So, all of this begs the question: If The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension was so bad in our limited dimensions, how bad could it have possibly been in the 8th Dimension?

You shut your whore mouth about Buckaroo Banzai!  :rogpipe:

Stop blowing it out of your ass, and answer the question. Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 30, 2017, 10:54:38 pm
So, all of this begs the question: If The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension was so bad in our limited dimensions, how bad could it have possibly been in the 8th Dimension?

You shut your whore mouth about Buckaroo Banzai!  :rogpipe:

Stop blowing it out of your ass, and answer the question. Inquiring minds want to know.

Buckaroo Banzai couldn't possibly have been any better in ANY dimension, you mongoloid freak!  How the writers didn't get the Nobel Prize for literature is fucking beyond me.  Clear bias on the part of the Belgians who run that Goddamn back-patting society.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 11:19:23 pm
Buckaroo Banzai is probably the only character I've liked so immediately that the knowledge he wasn't real made me a little disappointed. I was like, dammit, I want to be that fictitious person's friend like practically everyone in this movie.

Also one of the characters reminded me of ECH
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Faust on June 30, 2017, 11:29:00 pm
I like to think that Peter  Wellers characters are all in the same continuity, that robocop led to naked lunch, which led to Buckaroo Banzia
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2017, 01:04:33 am
I like to think that Peter  Wellers characters are all in the same continuity, that robocop led to naked lunch, which led to Buckaroo Banzia

I now have an in order movie list
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2017, 01:06:05 am
He was also an anti extraterrestrial terrorist in Star Trek Enterprise
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Brother Mythos on July 01, 2017, 09:25:22 am
I like Peter Weller, but I can not find it in my heart to ever forgive him for that excruciatingly long ‘piano playing in the lounge’ scene. And, I still had patience back in those days.

I really thought you guys were a lot cooler than this, I really did. Words can not express my disappointment in all of you.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 01, 2017, 11:44:16 am
I like Peter Weller, but I can not find it in my heart to ever forgive him for that excruciatingly long ‘piano playing in the lounge’ scene. And, I still had patience back in those days.

I really thought you guys were a lot cooler than this, I really did. Words can not express my disappointment in all of you.

We're like a factory of disappointment and regret.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2017, 02:18:00 pm
Discordia isn't about cool, son.
The sooner you learn that the happier you'll be.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on July 01, 2017, 05:49:20 pm
Discordia isn't about cool, son.
The sooner you learn that the happier you'll be.

 :lulz: Scandalous lies! I've learned that and have not seen any happiness uptick.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on July 01, 2017, 06:29:37 pm
I'm not a Discordian and never have been. I'm just interested in The Goddess Eris and her doings and happened upon an agreeable Discordian Society here. I'm not an Atheist, bit I definitely don't qualify as Christian by most modern definitions as I don't think Jesus was God even if he was the Messiah... a big if that. I try to put God and the stories we tell ourselves here on this world into proper context regarding the now obvious age and immensity of the cosmos. This wipes out a LOT of the bullshit common in the popular faiths and serves up a whole new plate of bullshit, but more of it and fresher. Yay.

Things I still believe in or have recently come to believe:

Possession is a thing, but not much like the movies. It's subtle and has much more to do with ideas than "demons". I like the Greek idea of "eudaemons" and "cacadaemons", good and bad thoughts respectively. I suspect STRONGLY that memes reach a sort of critical mass and can acquire a sort of independent reality and even consciousness, though still dependent upon people for sustenance so to speak. I'm not the only one that shares this concept ITT, but I'd propose to call them "Animemes" from animus (or spirit) and meme. Note this means that our "gods" are actually our own children or mental offspring and as such we make a horrible mistake in putting them in charge of our lives.

I'm pretty sure time travel is not only possible but has been utilized in a fashion that has had truly disturbing consequences. I don't buy most of the speculation about what caused the "Mandela" effects, but they're real as it gets. Folks remember things differently. Shit, just this Christmas I got a card with Star Wars characters on it and C-3po had two golden legs instead of the silver one. Someone drew that image from memory. In addition I can vouch personally that somehow the text of the King James Bible, standard of fundies everywhere, is not as it was. Not going to be exhaustive, but the changes are quite significant.

I believe in Chi, Qi, Orgone, or whatever you like to call it. I believe it to be the same substance upon which Animemes feed and grow. It is shaped by the mind and produced by the body in breathing and similar metabolic processes. If you're unfamiliar with Kirlian photography look it up.

I suspect that humanity is an engineered species and a hodge-podge one at that. The 23rd chromosome is rather an odd duck, but what really makes me think this is how different we are in scope of capability from every other critter here. I don't buy into Sitchin's tale of alien sky lords from "Nibiru", but I'm not discounting the possibility entirely either.

I'm certain that ancient technologically advanced human civilization existed on this planet before and that a great cataclysm buried most of it. I'm pretty sure that the theory about Apollo 18-20 has at least some basis in fact and that they found things on the moon that could not be explained easily and would undo history as we know it.

That's all for now. Take with a grain of salt the size of Bootes Void.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 01, 2017, 06:50:48 pm
Wait what silver leg? C3PO has 2 golden legs, there's no silver leg.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2017, 06:53:04 pm
Wait what silver leg? C3PO has 2 golden legs, there's no silver leg.

 your mind is about to be blown
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2017, 06:54:26 pm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/77341766/&ved=0ahUKEwin8pis0-jUAhWFOz4KHY9IB1AQFggsMAE&usg=AFQjCNEkQxsPlf5n1x57kCOGbXVBCydLlQ
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 01, 2017, 07:32:26 pm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/77341766/&ved=0ahUKEwin8pis0-jUAhWFOz4KHY9IB1AQFggsMAE&usg=AFQjCNEkQxsPlf5n1x57kCOGbXVBCydLlQ

That's no big deal. I mean, so what. So what if everything I ever thought I knew is a lie and nothing has any meaning anymore? It's par for the course in this decade.

Honestly I don't know what to make of the Mandela Effect. I can see how some details can be easily overlooked and filled in by the human brain with what seems like logical stuff. I'm sure that most of it is the result of our ability to fill in the gaps in perception automatically, combined with generally fuzzy memories and some bandwagon-itis. But sometimes a bit of it, or a similar phenomenon, will strike me as a little too weird or on-the-nose. I usually ignore that though because as I've said before, the central tenet of my cosmological system is that the universe is boring and nothing exciting ever happens.

I'm 100% on board with the lost civilization thing, though. Even if it's BS, it doesn't hurt anything to believe it. We are postmodern after all, and reality is helpless to define itself without us. Might as well make it interesting.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on July 01, 2017, 07:59:36 pm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/77341766/&ved=0ahUKEwin8pis0-jUAhWFOz4KHY9IB1AQFggsMAE&usg=AFQjCNEkQxsPlf5n1x57kCOGbXVBCydLlQ

That's no big deal. I mean, so what. So what if everything I ever thought I knew is a lie and nothing has any meaning anymore? It's par for the course in this decade.

Honestly I don't know what to make of the Mandela Effect. I can see how some details can be easily overlooked and filled in by the human brain with what seems like logical stuff. I'm sure that most of it is the result of our ability to fill in the gaps in perception automatically, combined with generally fuzzy memories and some bandwagon-itis. But sometimes a bit of it, or a similar phenomenon, will strike me as a little too weird or on-the-nose. I usually ignore that though because as I've said before, the central tenet of my cosmological system is that the universe is boring and nothing exciting ever happens.

I'm 100% on board with the lost civilization thing, though. Even if it's BS, it doesn't hurt anything to believe it. We are postmodern after all, and reality is helpless to define itself without us. Might as well make it interesting.

See that's what I'm saying!

A LOT of stuff chalked up to the so called Mandela Effect is fluff and head tricks. It's the little things like Sicily being much closer to Italy on a map or whether it was "Jiffy" or "Jif" peanut butter that I can shuck off as mis-remembering. But I've seen old school preachers truly unnerved by some of the bible stuff. It's stuff that they taught from their whole lives now saying something different, and apparently having always been so. :fnord:

Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Brother Mythos on July 01, 2017, 09:33:53 pm
Discordia isn't about cool, son.
The sooner you learn that the happier you'll be.

You’re right. I see it now. This is definitely not the cool kids’ table. The jocks and the greasers wouldn’t sit here either. This is more like the table where the ‘detention after school yardbirds’ hang out.

Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on July 02, 2017, 12:25:12 am
Discordia isn't about cool, son.
The sooner you learn that the happier you'll be.

You’re right. I see it now. This is definitely not the cool kids’ table. The jocks and the greasers wouldn’t sit here either. This is more like the table where the ‘detention after school yardbirds’ hang out.

Also the special needs kids.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 02, 2017, 12:50:22 am
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/77341766/&ved=0ahUKEwin8pis0-jUAhWFOz4KHY9IB1AQFggsMAE&usg=AFQjCNEkQxsPlf5n1x57kCOGbXVBCydLlQ

That's no big deal. I mean, so what. So what if everything I ever thought I knew is a lie and nothing has any meaning anymore? It's par for the course in this decade.

Honestly I don't know what to make of the Mandela Effect. I can see how some details can be easily overlooked and filled in by the human brain with what seems like logical stuff. I'm sure that most of it is the result of our ability to fill in the gaps in perception automatically, combined with generally fuzzy memories and some bandwagon-itis. But sometimes a bit of it, or a similar phenomenon, will strike me as a little too weird or on-the-nose. I usually ignore that though because as I've said before, the central tenet of my cosmological system is that the universe is boring and nothing exciting ever happens.

I'm 100% on board with the lost civilization thing, though. Even if it's BS, it doesn't hurt anything to believe it. We are postmodern after all, and reality is helpless to define itself without us. Might as well make it interesting.

See that's what I'm saying!

A LOT of stuff chalked up to the so called Mandela Effect is fluff and head tricks. It's the little things like Sicily being much closer to Italy on a map or whether it was "Jiffy" or "Jif" peanut butter that I can shuck off as mis-remembering. But I've seen old school preachers truly unnerved by some of the bible stuff. It's stuff that they taught from their whole lives now saying something different, and apparently having always been so. :fnord:

I'm pretty interested in hearing more about the Mandela effect as it relates to the Bible.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on July 02, 2017, 02:04:29 am
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/77341766/&ved=0ahUKEwin8pis0-jUAhWFOz4KHY9IB1AQFggsMAE&usg=AFQjCNEkQxsPlf5n1x57kCOGbXVBCydLlQ

That's no big deal. I mean, so what. So what if everything I ever thought I knew is a lie and nothing has any meaning anymore? It's par for the course in this decade.

Honestly I don't know what to make of the Mandela Effect. I can see how some details can be easily overlooked and filled in by the human brain with what seems like logical stuff. I'm sure that most of it is the result of our ability to fill in the gaps in perception automatically, combined with generally fuzzy memories and some bandwagon-itis. But sometimes a bit of it, or a similar phenomenon, will strike me as a little too weird or on-the-nose. I usually ignore that though because as I've said before, the central tenet of my cosmological system is that the universe is boring and nothing exciting ever happens.

I'm 100% on board with the lost civilization thing, though. Even if it's BS, it doesn't hurt anything to believe it. We are postmodern after all, and reality is helpless to define itself without us. Might as well make it interesting.

See that's what I'm saying!

A LOT of stuff chalked up to the so called Mandela Effect is fluff and head tricks. It's the little things like Sicily being much closer to Italy on a map or whether it was "Jiffy" or "Jif" peanut butter that I can shuck off as mis-remembering. But I've seen old school preachers truly unnerved by some of the bible stuff. It's stuff that they taught from their whole lives now saying something different, and apparently having always been so. :fnord:

I'm pretty interested in hearing more about the Mandela effect as it relates to the Bible.

A lot of it is little things like "bottles" being in place of the word "wineskins" in a certain teaching about new doctrines being incompatible with old methods. I can do my homework and get a list together have it in a day or so with references by book and number. The big things are things like a different "Lord's Prayer" and changes in one of the major prophets... forget which off the top of my head, but "and the lion shall lay down with the lamb" now talks about a wolf or something which has a VERY different symbolic meaning.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 02, 2017, 02:23:56 am
Hmm, interesting
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on July 02, 2017, 04:17:09 am
Hmm, interesting

New thread seemed appropriate to begin the new project. Here's 5 of the bigger ones. (https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,38168.0.html) More later as I can.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 02, 2017, 05:49:04 am
"judge not lest ye be judged" is actually "judge not that ye be not judged"
"The lion shall lay down with the lamb" is actually "the wolf shall lay down with the lamb"
bottles/wineskins confusion
Etc
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on July 03, 2017, 07:10:03 am
So this past birthday, one of my awesome coworkers got me a wand and i've been looking up cool stuff to carve into it. I'very been looking at norse runes, but i've also got a Star of Chaos carved into it as well. Pics:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Pope Pelvis Flirtini on July 03, 2017, 08:14:17 am
I like to think that Peter  Wellers characters are all in the same continuity, that robocop led to naked lunch, which led to Buckaroo Banzia

Fun fact: In a movie called The New Age, Peter Weller plays a character who pretends to be a sweepstakes administrator named "Bob Dobbs" in order to scam gullible people into paying "shipping costs" for a shittier consolation prize.

Who was it that said they believe in synchronicity?

Here's my anti-Woo: I firmly believe that because all things are fundamentally interconnected (existing in the same universe, all coming from the same point of origin), any exhaustive analysis of apparently unrelated phenomena will inevitably yield seemingly meaningful coincidences. ("What the thinker thinks, the prover proves.") This plane can be navigated only at the cost of one's sanity.

If synchronicity is the road trip, a firm grip on reality is your gas, and you will find few, if any, stations at which to refuel.

I'm an existentialist. I do not believe that life has no meaning, merely that if it does have one then it is neither obvious nor can we all ever hope to agree on what it might be. Nihilism is a naive and intellectually dishonest inversion of this epistemological problem; the only pragmatic and worthwhile alternative is to imbue one's own life with one's own meaning and to live passionately towards that end. The journey is its own destination.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 03, 2017, 06:16:31 pm
I like to think that Peter  Wellers characters are all in the same continuity, that robocop led to naked lunch, which led to Buckaroo Banzia

Fun fact: In a movie called The New Age, Peter Weller plays a character who pretends to be a sweepstakes administrator named "Bob Dobbs" in order to scam gullible people into paying "shipping costs" for a shittier consolation prize.

You'll pay to know what you really won!

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Who was it that said they believe in synchronicity?

I'm an existentialist. I do not believe that life has no meaning, merely that if it does have one then it is neither obvious nor can we all ever hope to agree on what it might be. Nihilism is a naive and intellectually dishonest inversion of this epistemological problem; the only pragmatic and worthwhile alternative is to imbue one's own life with one's own meaning and to live passionately towards that end. The journey is its own destination.

This.

Entirely this.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on July 09, 2017, 04:27:08 am
I believe pineapple belongs, nay THRIVES, on pizza, and i will fight a motherfucker who says otherwise.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2017, 06:27:43 am
You're going to have to come to scotland then. Pineapple doesn't belong anywhere in this earthly realm. It came from hell and it should fucking well go back there and take kiwi fruit with it :argh!:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 09, 2017, 07:03:58 am
You're going to have to come to scotland then. Pineapple doesn't belong anywhere in this earthly realm. It came from hell and it should fucking well go back there and take kiwi fruit with it :argh!:

Pineapple is awful.  But it is good on pizza.

And kiwifruit is life and you should shut your big gob about them, before you piss God off.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2017, 10:46:48 am
You're going to have to come to scotland then. Pineapple doesn't belong anywhere in this earthly realm. It came from hell and it should fucking well go back there and take kiwi fruit with it :argh!:

Pineapple is awful.  But it is good on pizza.

And kiwifruit is life and you should shut your big gob about them, before you piss God off.

Yeah cos that ship never sailed into the shitcan more or less along with my placenta :lulz:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: QueenThera on July 28, 2017, 09:49:13 pm
Woo I believe in...

Okay so. I believe that lunar rabbits are linked to the assassination of JFK.

I believe cartoon characters, gods, angels, demons, and fairies are all different facets of the same "thing". I also believe cartoons were watched in ancient caves (the art was animated by firelight).

I have maybe gotten results from sigils? And definitely got results from pagan worship of the Goddess Eris. She kept my grandfather alive (maybe), and got me a girlfriend who took my virginity (definitely, said girl claimed to have been after me for years and asked me out without me being attractive at ALL). Said woman was born on the fifth day of the fifth month, and an asshole. So it all checked out.

I think "Magickal Energy" isn't energy or matter. It's some densely put together unconscious information, kinda like what you find in the webnovel Fine Structure. I am still searching for the perfect word for it.

Oz is real and I'm going there when I die. Nonestica for LIFE! All bow before the beautiful transgirl Princess Ozma!

I believe in souls and afterlives as an act of cowardice in response to my existential vertigo about existing at all and ceasing to exist.

Synchronicities happen a lot. 17 and 23 and 5 keep showing up. I'm hoping this is good Eris stuff and not bad.

I made up a myth about Eris's twin sister Aneris falling in lesbian love with her reflection Sirena and leaving reality for her, our messed up moon being a result. I'm not sure I believe this.

I struggle with traditional Tarot reading, but I do have Homestuck, giant Rider-Waite, and Wonderland decks. What works for me is Morgan's Tarot, which is actually an oracle deck. It's very chillaxed. (I also own a Pathfinder Harrow deck, but mainly for the Rabbit Prince card, and enjoyed some of its weird spread layouts in its supplement book.)

I believe Lewis Carroll's Alice books and Hunting of the Snark would make a good basis for a Gnostic religion.

I think that if anyone knows how to solve the problem of suffering, it is Jenna Moran, who wrote Nobilis, Chuubo's Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine, and Hitherby Dragons.

I also believe in beauty and love and truth as the highest principles to serve. And I also believe I'm trans.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: PoFP on July 28, 2017, 10:50:24 pm
I'm quite certain (But don't necessarily believe) that the universe we know likely does have a creator of some sort. I suspect that they are just as reckless and clueless as humans, which would explain why we are the prevailing specie in the world it created. I doubt the creator is omniscient or omnipotent in any way. If some guy creates a server farm, he doesn't have complete control over what goes on in the server farm at all times, nor do they know what is even going on unless they're actively watching. And even then, their knowledge of the inner-workings is as limited as their tools for observation. I think there are limitations in the creator's world, just like there are in ours.

I suspect that at at least some point in our universe, there is a communication between our world and the creator's. Whether we're in a computer simulation and that communication would be a serial port from one component to another in a super computer, or the line of communication is accessible everywhere with the right program, I'm not sure. One thing I do know, is that if there is a hole in our universe through which we can communicate with that which is outside, I intend to find it.

My first thought when coming into contact with a new system is "How does it work, and what would it take to make it do something its creator didn't intend?" I suspect that this mindset is required to find such a universal window into the beyond.



And shit, if this is just a solid, fucked up world created by nobody, it was all worth the adventure of pushing the limits. And if this world was created by an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, then that sadistic fuck can suck a fucking tailpipe. And I'll gladly tell them that when I see them.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Vanadium Gryllz on July 29, 2017, 08:10:46 am

And shit, if this is just a solid, fucked up world created by nobody, it was all worth the adventure of pushing the limits. And if this world was created by an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, then that sadistic fuck can suck a fucking tailpipe. And I'll gladly tell them that when I see them.

Hear, hear.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 29, 2017, 04:10:20 pm
Why?  Because it doesn't seem to be set up for our convenience?

Who ever says we're the main characters?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on July 30, 2017, 12:24:11 am
Yeah. Holding such a Thing as God to modern human standards is a sort of backdoor hubris. IF there is a God as such It invented everything including suffering for whatever purposes.

We might not even be the ultimate end sought. For all we know there isn't one. I've taken my gripes and left them on God's doorstep regarding suffering and unfairness a long time ago now. I still issue the occasional complaint, but I don't HATE God because shit is rough here on Earth.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Faust on July 30, 2017, 01:23:56 am
Why?  Because it doesn't seem to be set up for our convenience?

Who ever says we're the main characters?

We're thr universes silmarillian.

I belive in the deities of voodun, santaria, the fairy folk, alien sex fiends who abduct folk and in the old greek gods, every day that I do not cross paths with a deity is a blessing.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 30, 2017, 04:16:30 am
After reading the Prince of Nothing series by R. Scott Bakker, I've decided to completely endorse the metaphysics of that universe and believe in it utterly. Because I heard the guy has a PhD in psychology or some such field, which means he probably knows more about it while he's making shit up than I ever will be earnestly contemplating. Also the idea that God is the only soul that exists and human consciousness is a tiny shard of that soul's experience cut off from awareness of the whole isn't new, even to me, and it means that by some tortured convolution, I get to be Salvador Dali.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2017, 04:26:22 am
You're going to have to come to scotland then. Pineapple doesn't belong anywhere in this earthly realm. It came from hell and it should fucking well go back there and take kiwi fruit with it :argh!:

Pineapple is awful.  But it is good on pizza.

And kiwifruit is life and you should shut your big gob about them, before you piss God off.

Yeah cos that ship never sailed into the shitcan more or less along with my placenta :lulz:

 :lulz:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2017, 04:28:03 am
Why?  Because it doesn't seem to be set up for our convenience?

Who ever says we're the main characters?

We're thr universes silmarillian.

I belive in the deities of voodun, santaria, the fairy folk, alien sex fiends who abduct folk and in the old greek gods, every day that I do not cross paths with a deity is a blessing.

I've been saying that since this board started up.  NEVER ASK THE GODS FOR ANYTHING.  It always ends badly.  Also, if a god was misrepresenting himself, how would you know?  For all we know, God is actually a nice guy that just wasn't paying attention.  But that's not how you bet.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on July 31, 2017, 06:13:27 am
This is why the Vikings had it right. They knew their gods were dangerous unstable assholes, and got on to doing most things by themselves. None of this, "Jesus take the wheel" bullshit.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: PoFP on July 31, 2017, 02:30:06 pm
Why?  Because it doesn't seem to be set up for our convenience?

Who ever says we're the main characters?

If they're omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, then they're knowingly subjecting innocent people to undue amounts of horror. That makes them a complete sack of shit. It's much less to do with convenience.

I would argue that "We aren't the main characters" isn't a defense for universal neglect. When applied elsewhere, that concept is immoral.

  For all we know, God is actually a nice guy that just wasn't paying attention.  But that's not how you bet.

Any being that pushes life into the world (And intends for it to live a full life) is partially responsible for that life's developmental and environmental conditions. If you control the type of environment that a life is brought up in, you are responsible for the results. In other words, if you buy a pet or have a kid, and leave either in the wilderness to die/live on its own, you're an abusive sack of shit. This is obvious to everyone here, and I would think this concept would apply to any being.

And let's say for a moment that maybe the Creator wanted or expected us to die immediately, or intended to abort us, if you will. This certainly isn't a humane way of doing it.

My point is, if there is a Creator, what they've done is irredeemable in all respects. Even if they've not been paying attention, they should've known (If they were capable of creating a universe) that life could've been generated, and that it could suffer if neglected. As careless and silly as humans are, they at least have the ability (And urge, in most cases) to care for their own.


Also, at the moment, I'm not sure I'm very adept at reading certain social queues, including tone and attitude in my own post. I removed and edited what I could find, but if anything in here seems confrontational or rude, please ignore it. I like these discussions, and am not trying to fight. The weed I had last night was fucking purple. I'm a little hazy right now.  :lulz:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: LMNO on July 31, 2017, 02:54:46 pm
Ok, here’s my woo.  It took me a while to  get it right in my head.

- I believe in an objectively real Universe that exists outside of my mind, and contains many things including myself.

- I believe that the Universe is not a shared hallucination, and is subject to laws and rules; and with enough effort, these laws and rules can be understood.

- I believe that there are laws and rules we do not know of yet.

- I believe that whatever these undiscovered rules and laws might be, they either need to fit in with the rules and laws we already know, or they rewrite all the rules and laws that have been discovered over the last 100 years (i.e. ever since Newton’s understanding was found to be too broad).

- I believe that any idea about how the Universe works that does not feel the need to adhere to the known laws and rules has a greater than 50% chance of being wrong.


Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 31, 2017, 04:20:48 pm
I feel like a lot of what's being posted in this thread is not woo.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: LMNO on July 31, 2017, 04:28:05 pm
That's about as woo as I can get.


Hey, I'm making some basic un-provable assumptions in my premise, right?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: PoFP on July 31, 2017, 04:37:37 pm
Yeah, I was worried about mine not being considered woo, myself. I was going based off of what it appeared the OP intended, which seemed to be pretty broad. But I could be wrong.

Based off of the first few posts, I wouldn't consider mine woo. But based on what the OP posted later on in the thread, I figured a strange unprovable suspicion of the origin of the universe was at least related to the thread.

Chelagoras, let us know if we're getting off topic or missed the point.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on August 01, 2017, 02:38:24 am
The original point was to share our own individual beliefs in order to discuss the idiosyncrasies in out own Discordias  without judgements or feeling the need to stick to strict rationalism. As long as we are letting everyone feel safe to share whatever their stuff is, no matter how weird, then I would say we're right on point.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 01, 2017, 04:08:52 am
Ok, here’s my woo.  It took me a while to  get it right in my head.

- I believe in an objectively real Universe that exists outside of my mind, and contains many things including myself.

- I believe that the Universe is not a shared hallucination, and is subject to laws and rules; and with enough effort, these laws and rules can be understood.

- I believe that there are laws and rules we do not know of yet.

- I believe that whatever these undiscovered rules and laws might be, they either need to fit in with the rules and laws we already know, or they rewrite all the rules and laws that have been discovered over the last 100 years (i.e. ever since Newton’s understanding was found to be too broad).

- I believe that any idea about how the Universe works that does not feel the need to adhere to the known laws and rules has a greater than 50% chance of being wrong.

Okay, here's the deal.  There IS a god, more likely HUNDREDS of them, and none of them give a fuck.  They don't hate us, except maybe the way you and I hate cockroaches.  Disgusting little creatures, but it's not personal (well, most of the time.  I had a vendetta against a rat, you may recall).

And heaven/hell?  That's just their gas tank.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Ben Shapiro on August 01, 2017, 06:20:48 am
/WOO  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

(http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Yeah+because+male+comedians+sure+dont+joke+about+sex+all+_fc9d3399970760dea8dbcd7865970fde.jpg)
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on August 01, 2017, 09:45:12 am
The great thing is I now haft look up whether this is actually a Louis CK bit.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on August 01, 2017, 02:06:31 pm
Ok, here’s my woo.  It took me a while to  get it right in my head.

- I believe in an objectively real Universe that exists outside of my mind, and contains many things including myself.

- I believe that the Universe is not a shared hallucination, and is subject to laws and rules; and with enough effort, these laws and rules can be understood.

- I believe that there are laws and rules we do not know of yet.

- I believe that whatever these undiscovered rules and laws might be, they either need to fit in with the rules and laws we already know, or they rewrite all the rules and laws that have been discovered over the last 100 years (i.e. ever since Newton’s understanding was found to be too broad).

- I believe that any idea about how the Universe works that does not feel the need to adhere to the known laws and rules has a greater than 50% chance of being wrong.

Okay, here's the deal.  There IS a god, more likely HUNDREDS of them, and none of them give a fuck.  They don't hate us, except maybe the way you and I hate cockroaches.  Disgusting little creatures, but it's not personal (well, most of the time.  I had a vendetta against a rat, you may recall).

And heaven/hell?  That's just their gas tank.

Do NOT go into the light. It's a trap!!  :fnord:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on August 15, 2017, 06:46:27 pm
alright, i have a confession to make: I believe in herbalism. Not the superstitious, "stick a leave in some water, now its magic" kind of herbalism, but the more practical "hey look, certain plants are useful if you know what you're doing" kind of herbalism. I realize that there still a lot of snake oil selling in this type of practice, but it does seem like most of it was driven to understand how to help cure people by learning about what things in plants did what things, just without the benefits of modern chemistry or the scientific method. I mean, it's kind of unreasonable to expect herbalists from 6000 years ago to be able to prove their assertions through clinical trials and such, when what we consider the scientific method is super recent by comparison. So yea, i do think that some of what is written about herbalism may have merit, and might be a healthy way to take care of oneself, done properly. In general, it encourages people to eat a diverse diet that is specific to their own health needs, which i believe can be beneficial. Now if we can just get the hippies and the rhino horn poachers out of it....
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 17, 2017, 02:05:22 am
alright, i have a confession to make: I believe in herbalism. Not the superstitious, "stick a leave in some water, now its magic" kind of herbalism, but the more practical "hey look, certain plants are useful if you know what you're doing" kind of herbalism. I realize that there still a lot of snake oil selling in this type of practice, but it does seem like most of it was driven to understand how to help cure people by learning about what things in plants did what things, just without the benefits of modern chemistry or the scientific method. I mean, it's kind of unreasonable to expect herbalists from 6000 years ago to be able to prove their assertions through clinical trials and such, when what we consider the scientific method is super recent by comparison. So yea, i do think that some of what is written about herbalism may have merit, and might be a healthy way to take care of oneself, done properly. In general, it encourages people to eat a diverse diet that is specific to their own health needs, which i believe can be beneficial. Now if we can just get the hippies and the rhino horn poachers out of it....

Learning the (actual) properties of plants isn't woo.

Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on August 17, 2017, 03:28:16 am
Yea, but if I'd just said herbalism, most people would lumped me firmly in the woo category, what with all the hippies and charlatans.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 17, 2017, 03:55:25 am
Yea, but if I'd just said herbalism, most people would lumped me firmly in the woo category, what with all the hippies and charlatans.

What do you care what other people think?  YOU know you're not David Avocado Wolfe.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on August 17, 2017, 05:14:56 am
<just Googled who David Avocado Wolfe is.

True, but I also don't need any more Internet arguments than I already have. You've seen my Facebook.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: LMNO on August 17, 2017, 01:01:08 pm
I'm impressed you were able to avoid David Avocado Wolfe for this long.

I'm also sorry you just found out who he is.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Hoopla! on August 17, 2017, 01:56:25 pm
I too just found out. So is he married to the Food Babe? He should be.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Ziegejunge on August 17, 2017, 05:13:35 pm
I also just found out about David Avocado Wolfe "thanks" to this thread.

His Wikipedia article is... uhhhh.... it reads like a woo thread of its own. "Detoxification" from a raw food diet? Check. Chemtrails? Check. Deer antler spray is "levitational" and an "androgenic force"? Ch...check? Mushrooms have an "advanced intelligence and consciousness"...mushroom spores can "levitate off the planet" and [he] believes they are trying to "get to the center of the sun"? Ch...ch... Antivaxxer? Flat-Earther?

Listen, I'm usually the last person to shit on anyone else's woo, but is he going for some kind of Guinness World Record or something here?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: LMNO on August 17, 2017, 05:19:25 pm
PD.com: making you lose your faith in the existence of rational humans, one google search at a time.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: PoFP on August 17, 2017, 06:16:02 pm
His name even fits the rule of "wolf(e) something or something wolf(e)"

I guess we toss him into the "irredeemable shitneck" bin?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 17, 2017, 09:09:12 pm
I too just found out. So is he married to the Food Babe? He should be.

He has killed far more people than the Food Babe.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Hoopla! on August 17, 2017, 09:41:46 pm
I believe it.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 18, 2017, 06:29:14 am
David Avacodo Wolfe is like Breitbart for vegans.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 18, 2017, 08:02:29 am
PD.com: making you lose your faith in the existence of rational humans, one google search at a time.

This should be the only item on newsfeed for a period of no less than six months!
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Cramulus on August 18, 2017, 01:53:15 pm
I believe that a cat's penis has incredible magical powers and that, like the holy grail, is a divine channel between heaven and earth that has been presented throughout the history of the arts and sciences as an object of transcendent value which we should only dismiss at our own mortal peril.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: LMNO on August 18, 2017, 02:19:45 pm
I believe that a cat's penis has incredible magical powers and that, like the holy grail, is a divine channel between heaven and earth that has been presented throughout the history of the arts and sciences as an object of transcendent value which we should only dismiss at our own mortal peril.

I'm sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 19, 2017, 05:27:36 am
I can't shake the simulation hypothesis. I don't believe it, on account of I'm physically incapable of believing anything
I don't believe it either. I can't shake the fact that it kind of looks a lot like the same tired old mysticism trotted out and dressed in scientific looking wrappings, just like intelligent design is actually creationism and singularitarianism is the same tired old messianic/apocalyptic prophecy we've heard again and again.

Anyway, as for my own woo, I have on at least one occasion prayed to the Atomic Bomb like in Beneath the Planet of the Apes and Fallout 3 (only I didn't have one right there so I prostrated myself facing Los Alamos). I also spend a good deal of time in contemplation of the teachings of various misanthropic fictional pantheons including the Great Old Ones, the Ruinous Powers, and to a lesser extent the House of Troubles

My main religious (that's probably not precisely the right word) influences are SubGenius, Discordianism, Taoism, Buddhism, the aforementioned fictional pantheons, the Book of Ecclesiastes and the Epistle of St.James

I'm technically agnostic, even though I'm confident that every specific deity, as described by their relevant faith's dogma, does not exist. This leaves a small window of non-discounted possibilities though, due to three considerations. In ascending order of importance: 1.) Some deities could be stripped of their aspects that contradict each other and observed reality and still remain recognizable as that deity. Still very highly unlikely that any of them existed in any sense other than the way that, for example, John Frum was likely based on a real person 2.) the supreme beings of Jainism (although not the rest of the faith) really do have non-overlapping magesteria with science, this is because being as they are free of all passions desires and attachments they don't get up off of their all-powerful asses for anything ever. and 3.) Most importantly once you realize that many ancient deities relied on tools for their most iconic abilities it brings many of them down from the realm of the fantastical into the realm of "fuck, I could do that". Tesla coils anybody? The specific characters probably still aren;t real but their power level drops into the realm of plausibility

EDIT:
Also, even though I know this can't be what's happening, sometimes it feels like NHGH is answering my prayers; A lot of public figures that I don't like have gotten pancreatic cancer.

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I believe that a cat's penis has incredible magical powers and that, like the holy grail, is a divine channel between heaven and earth that has been presented throughout the history of the arts and sciences as an object of transcendent value which we should only dismiss at our own mortal peril.
Seconded, provided that much of it is taken as metaphor

EDIT:
Going back to my brief mention of Taoism and Buddhism, the ideas of wu wei and of freeing oneself from passions and attachment really speak to me because I believe that many or even even most of society's ills derive from people overreacting to things; the societal equivalent of an anaphylactic response or cytokine storm. People need to learn to stop doing shit or giving a fuck except when it really really matters. Race is completely void of meaning, creed is completely void of meaning, ethnicity is completely void of meaning, culture is completely void of meaning, manhood is completely void of meaning, womanhood is completely void of meaning, order to no clear end is completely void of meaning, romance is completely void of meaning, sex is completely void of meaning, the sun the moon and the stars are completely void of meaning, thrice accursed Jerusalem is completely void of meaning, dreams are completely void of meaning, all things are devoid of inherent value (especially gold), tradition is completely void of substance, the beliefs of ancient cultures are completely void of substance, and most things in the news will not effect us in any way except through the exaggerated actions of others
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Mr. Gone on August 23, 2017, 02:26:14 am
I believe that evolution saw to it that the chemicals in our head bounced around in certain patterns (amongst all of the other patterns) to occupy us in the questioning and exploration of our existence.  Why?  Because we live to be 80, 90, 100 fucking years old.  That's a lot of fucking time to fill.  Well, that is, those of us with enough sustenance and such to have the luxury of questioning it all.  And I think that's evolution's trick to keep us privileged folk busy so we don't straight out kill everyone and steal their sandboxes. 

I mean, really, either religious-type stuff is real or it isn't.  If it is, well we're all screwed, if it isn't, there is still a reason for why we believe in magical space ghosts.  It's either science or science fiction.  Cosmos or Flash Gordon. 

And the reality is, Cosmos makes more sense, but who the fuck doesn't want to be Flash every once in awhile?






















ah-ahh!
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 23, 2017, 05:21:21 pm
No other explanation makes sense.  How many times do you have to "test" known technology?
In general or when you're in a dick measuring contest with Russia?
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on August 29, 2017, 01:51:56 am
Not woo in the sense that I'm not sure I totally believe this, but I was thinking about how trump has basically bankrupted the Secret Service and it made me think (as I now often have to, these days) about Transmetropolitan. specifically the part where Spider Jerusalem is able to corner "The Beast" in the bathroom because he also bankrupted his Secret Service. At the time, I thought this was wildly unrealistic, because what president would be dumb enough to skimp on his own personal protection, especially when he's so hated? (Hold for laughs)But then, that got me thinking, if Trump is The Beast, and in Transmetropolitan, The Beast is replaced by the Smiler, then who the fuck is the Smiler, IRL? Then my friend piped in, "Well, Mike Pence smiles a lot", and my heart sank......


GODDAMMIT GRANT MORRISON, WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT WITH YOUR CARELESS HANDS!  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2017, 02:40:54 am
Not woo in the sense that I'm not sure I totally believe this, but I was thinking about how trump has basically bankrupted the Secret Service and it made me think (as I now often have to, these days) about Transmetropolitan. specifically the part where Spider Jerusalem is able to corner "The Beast" in the bathroom because he also bankrupted his Secret Service. At the time, I thought this was wildly unrealistic, because what president would be dumb enough to skimp on his own personal protection, especially when he's so hated? (Hold for laughs)But then, that got me thinking, if Trump is The Beast, and in Transmetropolitan, The Beast is replaced by the Smiler, then who the fuck is the Smiler, IRL? Then my friend piped in, "Well, Mike Pence smiles a lot", and my heart sank......


GODDAMMIT GRANT MORRISON, WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT WITH YOUR CARELESS HANDS!  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Warren Ellis.
Title: Re: ITT: Confess your WOO!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on August 29, 2017, 05:07:28 am
Not woo in the sense that I'm not sure I totally believe this, but I was thinking about how trump has basically bankrupted the Secret Service and it made me think (as I now often have to, these days) about Transmetropolitan. specifically the part where Spider Jerusalem is able to corner "The Beast" in the bathroom because he also bankrupted his Secret Service. At the time, I thought this was wildly unrealistic, because what president would be dumb enough to skimp on his own personal protection, especially when he's so hated? (Hold for laughs)But then, that got me thinking, if Trump is The Beast, and in Transmetropolitan, The Beast is replaced by the Smiler, then who the fuck is the Smiler, IRL? Then my friend piped in, "Well, Mike Pence smiles a lot", and my heart sank......


GODDAMMIT GRANT MORRISON, WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT WITH YOUR CARELESS HANDS!  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Warren Ellis.
HIM TOO!