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Title: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 01, 2019, 08:53:02 pm
It's time.

Already. 

Stop screaming, you're upsetting the goldfish.


Kicking off this horrorshow, Bernie Sanders misses an excellent chance to shut his big fat spoiler face:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-says-hes-not-interested-in-asking-hillary-clinton-for-2020-advice/ar-BBUg7Ga?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on March 04, 2019, 04:45:02 pm
The path to another 4 years of trump is being set up already :(
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2019, 05:48:20 pm
Trump also now has legal incentives to fuck with the election as much as possible, since, in practice, sitting Presidents are almost immune from prosectuion.

And boy are there a lot of prosecutions coming his way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on March 05, 2019, 04:22:56 am
This struck me is pretty weird. Of particular interest to me is the bit about the "affirmations" that the Democrats want.


https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190304&fbclid=IwAR29-5sfYHCks2JuZxrVsi23Dww4UiTH6HPHu61ZUVcvXTYkMg3P8AUxCIU
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 05, 2019, 04:49:23 am
This struck me is pretty weird. Of particular interest to me is the bit about the "affirmations" that the Democrats want.


https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190304&fbclid=IwAR29-5sfYHCks2JuZxrVsi23Dww4UiTH6HPHu61ZUVcvXTYkMg3P8AUxCIU

The affirmations don't apply in this case.  The blowhard is running for president as a democrat and for the senate as an independent.  The affirmations only say he will run as a democrat in the presidential campaign.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a bastard spoiler, though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on March 07, 2019, 03:56:26 pm
This struck me is pretty weird. Of particular interest to me is the bit about the "affirmations" that the Democrats want.


https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190304&fbclid=IwAR29-5sfYHCks2JuZxrVsi23Dww4UiTH6HPHu61ZUVcvXTYkMg3P8AUxCIU

The affirmations don't apply in this case.  The blowhard is running for president as a democrat and for the senate as an independent.  The affirmations only say he will run as a democrat in the presidential campaign.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a bastard spoiler, though.

I don't think he's going to win the nomination. There's still a fair number of fanatical Bernie fans out there, but I don't think he's going to get the nomination for Democratic presidential candidate out of them. Mainstream Democrats have already been Berned once. Of course his Fanatics will pick up their ball and go home if they don't get their way instead of helping to unseat Trump.

I'm not saying Trump is going to win, but I'm going to brace myself and prepare as though he will, because the fucking jizz mop just might. God dammit  :argh!:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Bruno on March 07, 2019, 07:46:58 pm
If he looses, it seems likely that the nuttier members of his base will finally completely lose their minds. People are already talking about another civil war in America, and not just the youtube crazies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-america-talk-turns-to-something-unspoken-for-150-years-civil-war/2019/02/28/b3733af8-3ae4-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0ou8VRZ8Hd2JLREyc5q5y28OoVVTHWFrprdvBsi8mVpdbFXPgr1c_LSjw&utm_term=.f50d740ef863
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Hoopla! on March 07, 2019, 09:21:01 pm
Maybe it’s time people started the chaos magic against Trump.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on March 07, 2019, 10:00:52 pm
Maybe it’s time people started the chaos magic against Trump.

That would be like trying to put out a dumpster fire with a truckload of live chickens.

In the Darkness even the Truth is in doubt. What is needed is the kicking of some asses! That and a viable Democratic candidate folks will unite behind...

Actually fuck it. Bring on the chickens! Gritty has a modest cult following. Mister Rogers has an even bigger cult following. We need a light to Rally around. Something or preferably someone True and Good. Bernie is not true and good despite his best intentions all he really has is ambition and a platform that pays for colleges with 'taxpayer money'. We need the second coming, a fucking Christ figure. Chaos magic won't save us. Nothing will. But I'm in the mood to cause chaos and dance in the ashes... No, too angsty. I'm in the mood to watch a shit ton of flaming chickens run around The Neighborhood!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on March 07, 2019, 10:04:28 pm
If he looses, it seems likely that the nuttier members of his base will finally completely lose their minds. People are already talking about another civil war in America, and not just the youtube crazies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-america-talk-turns-to-something-unspoken-for-150-years-civil-war/2019/02/28/b3733af8-3ae4-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0ou8VRZ8Hd2JLREyc5q5y28OoVVTHWFrprdvBsi8mVpdbFXPgr1c_LSjw&utm_term=.f50d740ef863

If there is a civil war it won't be a formal one like the great civil war was. It will be geurillas by night and Psychopaths opening fire in broad daylight. I don't see the US military Schisming entirely because they lost a shity commander. I do see the culture wars becoming even more bloody than they currently are.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Hoopla! on March 07, 2019, 11:09:30 pm
Maybe it’s time people started the chaos magic against Trump.

That would be like trying to put out a dumpster fire with a truckload of live chickens.

In the Darkness even the Truth is in doubt. What is needed is the kicking of some asses! That and a viable Democratic candidate folks will unite behind...

Actually fuck it. Bring on the chickens! Gritty has a modest cult following. Mister Rogers has an even bigger cult following. We need a light to Rally around. Something or preferably someone True and Good. Bernie is not true and good despite his best intentions all he really has is ambition and a platform that pays for colleges with 'taxpayer money'. We need the second coming, a fucking Christ figure. Chaos magic won't save us. Nothing will. But I'm in the mood to cause chaos and dance in the ashes... No, too angsty. I'm in the mood to watch a shit ton of flaming chickens run around The Neighborhood!

Let’s dance.

:noodledance:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on March 07, 2019, 11:45:07 pm
Maybe it’s time people started the chaos magic against Trump.

That would be like trying to put out a dumpster fire with a truckload of live chickens.

In the Darkness even the Truth is in doubt. What is needed is the kicking of some asses! That and a viable Democratic candidate folks will unite behind...

Actually fuck it. Bring on the chickens! Gritty has a modest cult following. Mister Rogers has an even bigger cult following. We need a light to Rally around. Something or preferably someone True and Good. Bernie is not true and good despite his best intentions all he really has is ambition and a platform that pays for colleges with 'taxpayer money'. We need the second coming, a fucking Christ figure. Chaos magic won't save us. Nothing will. But I'm in the mood to cause chaos and dance in the ashes... No, too angsty. I'm in the mood to watch a shit ton of flaming chickens run around The Neighborhood!

Let’s dance.

:noodledance:

 :musak: :sexybeast: :elvis:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Johnny on March 08, 2019, 01:25:02 am

Idk, from an outsiders perspective, American discourse is so hyperbolic and non-sense because commentators are so needy for attention and ad-revenue, and the need to keep the audience at the edge of their seat thru ever escalating means.

Like, what I do have noticed is this "revenge-ism" attitude between Democrats and Republicans, in which actions dont seem to follow pragmatic objectives but more of "OH THIS WILL SHOW THEM" under a logic of pettiness.

If this exact trend continues escalating, i could imagine a real civil war no earlier than 2028 and i couldnt imagine it going on for too long with all the control and surveillance the government has over the population.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2019, 03:02:56 am

Idk, from an outsiders perspective, American discourse is so hyperbolic and non-sense because commentators are so needy for attention and ad-revenue, and the need to keep the audience at the edge of their seat thru ever escalating means.

Like, what I do have noticed is this "revenge-ism" attitude between Democrats and Republicans, in which actions dont seem to follow pragmatic objectives but more of "OH THIS WILL SHOW THEM" under a logic of pettiness.

If this exact trend continues escalating, i could imagine a real civil war no earlier than 2028 and i couldnt imagine it going on for too long with all the control and surveillance the government has over the population.

It's more that we're just plain bad people that have had it too good for too long.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 08, 2019, 06:42:50 am
You're an empire in it's death throes. This is all perfectly normal. Horses get appointed to senate and emperors golf while the nation burns.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Bruno on March 08, 2019, 07:24:43 am
If he looses, it seems likely that the nuttier members of his base will finally completely lose their minds. People are already talking about another civil war in America, and not just the youtube crazies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-america-talk-turns-to-something-unspoken-for-150-years-civil-war/2019/02/28/b3733af8-3ae4-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0ou8VRZ8Hd2JLREyc5q5y28OoVVTHWFrprdvBsi8mVpdbFXPgr1c_LSjw&utm_term=.f50d740ef863

If there is a civil war it won't be a formal one like the great civil war was. It will be geurillas by night and Psychopaths opening fire in broad daylight. I don't see the US military Schisming entirely because they lost a shity commander. I do see the culture wars becoming even more bloody than they currently are.

Pretty much, yeah. I'm trying to think what tactics they could, and/or are likely to use to further their cause. Most of them probably have a years supply of beans and a confidence in their ability to survive by hunting/gathering/agriculture, and would like to see their world shift to a situation where persons so prepared would be at an advantage. So... maybe attacks on the infrastructure, particularly the power grid, I'm thinking. Here in Tennessee, we're pretty dependent on hydroelectric power. An attack on the dams that put them out of commission for months or even years could cripple the entire state. Tennessee is a major distribution hub for most of the eastern half of the country. Wrecking it could cause major disruptions in the distribution chain.

Then when the bread trucks start showing up late, or not at all, shit could start to get pretty weird.

Maybe it’s time people started the chaos magic against Trump.

That would be like trying to put out a dumpster fire with a truckload of live chickens.

In the Darkness even the Truth is in doubt. What is needed is the kicking of some asses! That and a viable Democratic candidate folks will unite behind...

Actually fuck it. Bring on the chickens! Gritty has a modest cult following. Mister Rogers has an even bigger cult following. We need a light to Rally around. Something or preferably someone True and Good. Bernie is not true and good despite his best intentions all he really has is ambition and a platform that pays for colleges with 'taxpayer money'. We need the second coming, a fucking Christ figure. Chaos magic won't save us. Nothing will. But I'm in the mood to cause chaos and dance in the ashes... No, too angsty. I'm in the mood to watch a shit ton of flaming chickens run around The Neighborhood!

A common theme I see reading comments from The Traitriots/Vanilla ISIS is "We need a leader". Which is, as far as I cant tell, what they think is the only thing holding them back from Taking America Back By Storm. Meanwhile THEM DANG OL AN-TEEF-UHS seem to be getting along just fine without leaders, or at least centralized leadership hierarchy, or whatever. These allegedly motivated motherfuckers probably have Antifa outnumbered 1000:1 but at the end of the day, Antifa gets more done because they aren't just sitting around waiting for someone to boss them around.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2019, 03:00:12 pm
You're an empire in it's death throes. This is all perfectly normal. Horses get appointed to senate and emperors golf while the nation burns.

Only that's not happening. 

What's happening is just that nothing is getting fixed.  Each storm or wild fire leaves a Katrina-style hole in the infrastructure that just sits there and festers.  I could only WISH for Visigoths torching shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Johnny on March 08, 2019, 03:03:09 pm

Idk, from an outsiders perspective, American discourse is so hyperbolic and non-sense because commentators are so needy for attention and ad-revenue, and the need to keep the audience at the edge of their seat thru ever escalating means.

Like, what I do have noticed is this "revenge-ism" attitude between Democrats and Republicans, in which actions dont seem to follow pragmatic objectives but more of "OH THIS WILL SHOW THEM" under a logic of pettiness.

If this exact trend continues escalating, i could imagine a real civil war no earlier than 2028 and i couldnt imagine it going on for too long with all the control and surveillance the government has over the population.

It's more that we're just plain bad people that have had it too good for too long.

Are you saying something along the lines that Americans are like spoiled brats that suddenly get to experiment deprivation and take it out between themselves?

Like, from years ago ive admired in certain awe what at some times seems like taking a stand on important issues while at other times it seems like the most primitive rooting for a sports team sort of partisanship... with the new president that got elected down here were starting to see this social divide between those that hate it and those that embrace it, and i wonder how it will look like in 20-30 years.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2019, 03:05:41 pm

Idk, from an outsiders perspective, American discourse is so hyperbolic and non-sense because commentators are so needy for attention and ad-revenue, and the need to keep the audience at the edge of their seat thru ever escalating means.

Like, what I do have noticed is this "revenge-ism" attitude between Democrats and Republicans, in which actions dont seem to follow pragmatic objectives but more of "OH THIS WILL SHOW THEM" under a logic of pettiness.

If this exact trend continues escalating, i could imagine a real civil war no earlier than 2028 and i couldnt imagine it going on for too long with all the control and surveillance the government has over the population.

It's more that we're just plain bad people that have had it too good for too long.

Are you saying something along the lines that Americans are like spoiled brats that suddenly get to experiment deprivation and take it out between themselves?

Like, from years ago ive admired in certain awe what at some times seems like taking a stand on important issues while at other times it seems like the most primitive rooting for a sports team sort of partisanship... with the new president that got elected down here were starting to see this social divide between those that hate it and those that embrace it, and i wonder how it will look like in 20-30 years.

It has nothing to do with the parties.  The parties are the excuse.

There are 3 factions in America, just like there have always been.  Corporate, Nationalist, and Family.  None of this shit is new.  This shit has been going on for 220 years.  This isn't even the worst instance of it.  Shit, not even close.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 08, 2019, 05:51:21 pm
Horses get appointed to senate .

Hey now, Ivanka was only made a special advisor.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2019, 05:53:19 pm
Horses get appointed to senate .

Hey now, Ivanka was only made a special advisor.

:lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Al Qədic on March 09, 2019, 05:42:10 am
Welp, Chelsea Manning is back in prison, this time for refusing to testify before a grand jury about wikileaks it seems. Fuck me, this could be real bad. :sad:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/us/politics/chelsea-manning-wikileaks-jail.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 09, 2019, 04:15:22 pm
Welp, Chelsea Manning is back in prison, this time for refusing to testify before a grand jury about wikileaks it seems. Fuck me, this could be real bad. :sad:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/us/politics/chelsea-manning-wikileaks-jail.html

She had immunity, which means they can in fact compel her to testify against anyone at all, including herself.

She's still a big enough sucker to go to jail for Assange.  Some folks never learn.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 09, 2019, 04:37:43 pm
I'm worried about her. You don't go through something like that without it fucking you up, and going back to the same situation that fucked you up is an unfortunately common pattern in victims of trauma.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Al Qədic on March 09, 2019, 06:23:42 pm
She had immunity, which means they can in fact compel her to testify against anyone at all, including herself.

She's still a big enough sucker to go to jail for Assange.  Some folks never learn.

I want to agree, on the merit of "as shitty as grand juries can be, they still have power, and like it or not, they'll use that power against you if you don't fall in line." But I also see her refusal as an admonishment against the system that loves screwing people like her over. It makes her life more difficult, yes, but this, like many actions, can serve as a form of protest. The fact that this has to do with wikileaks/Assange obviously plays into her reservations for testifying, but I think her disdain for the garbage legal system is the larger force here.

That aside, while it does suck in hindsight that wikileaks of all things had to be the horse that her mortifying news rode in on...I dunno, man, I'd prefer a wild, shitty horse over no horse at all, if I wanted to deliver news that no one else was seeing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Al Qədic on March 09, 2019, 06:28:23 pm
I'm worried about her. You don't go through something like that without it fucking you up, and going back to the same situation that fucked you up is an unfortunately common pattern in victims of trauma.
Absolutely. Between her time in jail, suicide attempts during that time, suicide attempt(s) (at least one if I remember right) after getting out, the time cops broke into her apartment/house, and the general shitfits that assholes like to give to liberals/whistleblowers/trans women on a daily basis, I really hope she turns out all right from this. I suppose the miniscule silver lining here is that she's in the women's area of the prison, but goddamn has she been through a lot.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 09, 2019, 09:48:37 pm
She had immunity, which means they can in fact compel her to testify against anyone at all, including herself.

She's still a big enough sucker to go to jail for Assange.  Some folks never learn.

I want to agree, on the merit of "as shitty as grand juries can be, they still have power, and like it or not, they'll use that power against you if you don't fall in line." But I also see her refusal as an admonishment against the system that loves screwing people like her over. It makes her life more difficult, yes, but this, like many actions, can serve as a form of protest. The fact that this has to do with wikileaks/Assange obviously plays into her reservations for testifying, but I think her disdain for the garbage legal system is the larger force here.

That aside, while it does suck in hindsight that wikileaks of all things had to be the horse that her mortifying news rode in on...I dunno, man, I'd prefer a wild, shitty horse over no horse at all, if I wanted to deliver news that no one else was seeing.

Well, she's about to discover whose disdain counts.

And wikileaks is a state actor.  Assange is not a truth-telling rebel, he's a tool of the Russian government.  And Manning is a fool.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on March 10, 2019, 05:17:41 pm
Back on the thread topic, who do you think will get the Democratic nom?  It really looks like Sanders to me,  I'd prefer Warren, personally, but Sanders seems a lot stronger.  I know a lot of folks are sure it will be Biden or Harris, but neither seems to be polling all that well.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 10, 2019, 06:19:51 pm
Warren or Harris, IMO. It's still early days, and people are expecting a Biden entry which may or may not happen.  They're....biding their time, you might say.

But seriously. Warren would undoubtedly make a better President, but she will have weaknesses as a candidate (see her DNA test nonsense, for example).  I think the converse is true of Harris, and if Biden doesn't enter, the centrist Dems will rally around her.  It's a matter of style, as much as anything...they're both lawyers, but Warren was academic, while Harris was a public prosecutor.  The latter know how to go for the throat, play the crowd, make compelling arguments and tear their opponent down in a way most of the former simply don't, as a matter of practical experience.  Once the debates start, she will be in her element.

As for Sanders....I think there is a lot of bad blood there, and there are former Sanders supporters among those who think he shouldn't have run again. Warren gives them a similar candidate without the same baggage, which relegates Sanders to Ron Paul status - he'll be popular online and in the online polls, but he'll struggle elsewhere.

Also look out for Andrew Yang siphoning off some of the more weird Sanders support base.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 10, 2019, 10:04:24 pm
Back on the thread topic, who do you think will get the Democratic nom?  It really looks like Sanders to me,  I'd prefer Warren, personally, but Sanders seems a lot stronger.  I know a lot of folks are sure it will be Biden or Harris, but neither seems to be polling all that well.

Jesus, I fucking hope not.  I'm already tired of his fake ass.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 03, 2019, 05:24:04 pm
 An Open Letter to Pete Buttigieg

Dear Mayor of South Bend,

Hello, Pete? Is this Pete? Hah, I was just sitting back thinking of you and touching something. Not gonna tell ya *what* I'm touching, and I'm not gonna tell ya what I'm touchin' it *with*, but know that you are always in my thoughts.

Anyway, I was thinking back to 2016, back when Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump. You remember that? Of course you do. It set this country back 50 years, and that's not just for those "coastal elites" you seem fond of bitching about. And a few things happened.

First, all the LGBT people that foolishly felt comfortable coming out during the last administration sure got theirs, didn't they? Transgender folk getting booted out of the military. Dominionist Christians crawling out from under every wet rock, a few quiet murders, and also Nazis walking around in broad daylight. But at least you don't have to feel *ignored* anymore, right?

Second, the apparatus of government has been damaged, probably beyond repair. Now? Ho ho! There are no brakes on this train, and the Lumpy Orange Thing in the white house is deliberately speeding up for the curves. And while I would normally be all about that kinda "taking it to the wall" mentality, it occurs to me that this is where I keep all of my STUFF.

The rule of law has been suborned. Consequences are for the little people. The bloated sack that currently stains the oval office does whatever he pleases, and there you sit, saying "At least he wasn't saying American was already great, like Hillary did."

Yes, Pete, you said that with your bare face hanging out. You literally said that this insane mess is better than what we had before.

Now why would you say a thing like that?

Because you weren't crazy about the idea of a *woman* running for president? Or that maybe the eight years previous to the election bothered you for some reason. You're not *racist*, BUT you just didn't feel *comfortable*? Or maybe you just can't argue with a good chicken sandwich? Imagine, selling your own minority group out for second-rate fast food.

In any case, Pete, you have clearly stated where you stand...And I just don't have time for that. Or for you.

And I'm not even a "coastal elite."

Venomously yours,
Hamish Howl
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on April 03, 2019, 10:04:32 pm
When I read the news articles about him he mentally went in the same bucket I put all the self-hating lgbt folks in: the one we take to the curb to be buried in a lonesome place miles from home

He’s put his name behind the shit, and he’s going to get his the second the jackboots come for the rest of us, and he won’t get the satisfaction of knowing he was right, or that he’s suffering among friends

He’s going to be despised and kicked while he’s down and no one will protect him, because when he had the opportunity to fucking PRETEND to put a sliver of protection for us out there, he bowed to the big man instead

And in the world where the jackboots are removed and burned before they can turn our way, we will remember when he sold us up the river for headpats and poor baby and fried chicken and he will be a pariah as he deserves anyway

He can go over in the shame corner with whatsherfuck the rich white conservative transwoman celebrity, Milo fuckstick, bi/lesbian terfs and all the other fucking traitors and they can all choke on my living shit together
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Al Qədic on April 03, 2019, 11:04:14 pm
He can go over in the shame corner with whatsherfuck the rich white conservative transwoman celebrity, Milo fuckstick, bi/lesbian terfs and all the other fucking traitors and they can all choke on my living shit together
Don't forget about the truscum; I swear, the assholes of any group love to whine about other people Doing It Wrong™. Also, regarding Ms. Whatsherfuck, I really hope she gets supplanted by some actually nice, thoughtful person as "that one trans woman America tolerates and actually kinda likes." Her coming out and publicity felt nice at first, then she took a nosedive real fast. Just...we really need a better person to represent us in the eyes of all the troglodytes watching in confusion and abject horror, you know?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on April 03, 2019, 11:13:08 pm
He can go over in the shame corner with whatsherfuck the rich white conservative transwoman celebrity, Milo fuckstick, bi/lesbian terfs and all the other fucking traitors and they can all choke on my living shit together
Don't forget about the truscum; I swear, the assholes of any group love to whine about other people Doing It Wrong[emoji769]. Also, regarding Ms. Whatsherfuck, I really hope she gets supplanted by some actually nice, thoughtful person as "that one trans woman America tolerates and actually kinda likes." Her coming out and publicity felt nice at first, then she took a nosedive real fast. Just...we really need a better person to represent us in the eyes of all the troglodytes watching in confusion and abject horror, you know?

Yes

To the whole thing, you are correct
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on April 03, 2019, 11:30:15 pm
In fact there’s a special hell for transmedicalists

I believe that total phenotype control to the limits of feasibility should be a human right. If other people don’t have the right to stick a knife in you, they shouldn’t have the right to keep you from sticking tattoos in yourself, replacing your left arm with a tentacle, or implanting fur in your skin and getting skeletal reconstructive surgery to become your fursona

Why the fuck should anyone have the right to say what you do to yourself is illegal, it’s you and not them and if I want to implant skunk scent glands in my forearms why the fuck should anyone get to stop me, if I want to replace my lower jaw with a completely artificial cybernetic food processing implement then people will just need to get used to the horrible whirring sound when I am talking and the way I destroy silverware, fuck them

If you’re a transmedicalist you believe that bodily autonomy stops at an arbitrary line, so fuck you
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on April 03, 2019, 11:32:12 pm
That’s the general you, not you specifically, of course (just by reminding me of it you are excluded from that “you”, even )


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Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 04, 2019, 08:24:18 pm
ok but maybe don't do the skunk thing
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2019, 02:10:05 am
ok but maybe don't do the skunk thing

QG is obviously delirious and you should do the skunk thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on April 05, 2019, 02:18:26 am
This is how I know you can be trusted.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Al Qədic on April 05, 2019, 02:40:01 am
This is how I know you can be trusted.
With a face like that, how can there not be trust? :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on April 05, 2019, 02:53:52 am
This is how I know you can be trusted.
With a face like that, how can there not be trust? :lulz:

Roger had a face kinda like that, and we had to kill him to save his immortal soul, then bury him ten feet under the bedrock of Tucson with a stake through his gonads (the guy who did that died horribly later of probably unrelated exotic infections) to stop him from just showing up at all the fucking parties anyway.* And you can’t even trust that he’ll stay there still, we keep tripping over decomposing fingers.

Trust and facial features are unrelated.



* There’s urban legends that his crusty, inflamed ghost manifests at these parties by way of unnatural STIs, his payback for the Perma-Snub. These are just legends, and I’m not just saying this because I haven’t been chosen as the infectee yet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2019, 03:46:35 am
This is how I know you can be trusted.
With a face like that, how can there not be trust? :lulz:

Roger had a face kinda like that, and we had to kill him to save his immortal soul, then bury him ten feet under the bedrock of Tucson with a stake through his gonads (the guy who did that died horribly later of probably unrelated exotic infections) to stop him from just showing up at all the fucking parties anyway.* And you can’t even trust that he’ll stay there still, we keep tripping over decomposing fingers.

Trust and facial features are unrelated.



* There’s urban legends that his crusty, inflamed ghost manifests at these parties by way of unnatural STIs, his payback for the Perma-Snub. These are just legends, and I’m not just saying this because I haven’t been chosen as the infectee yet.

That gobshite still owes me $10.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2019, 06:33:42 pm
And Tulsi Gabbard's campaign is potato, alongside Gillibrand's. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on August 28, 2019, 07:24:28 pm
I will shed no tears over either of them, but especially Tulsi “I am literally just Trump in a neoliberal-friendly package” Gabbard is a loss to toast about. Break out the booze and all that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2019, 07:28:25 pm
I will shed no tears over either of them, but especially Tulsi “I am literally just Trump in a neoliberal-friendly package” Gabbard is a loss to toast about. Break out the booze and all that.

Yep. Steyer might make it, Gillibrand MAYBE, but the rest of the small fry are toast.

Except for Yang, as the proudboys are all donating $5 to him, so he is making the individual donor threshold.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on August 28, 2019, 07:34:44 pm
Between Biden alternately covering himself in poo and playing aw-shucks games to hang onto his lead by the skin of his dentures, and Warren turning out to be THE ONLY PERSON who comes with actually realistic plans and shit and gaining some serious popularity on that, I think Yang is going to be dirt in the end. I’m just hoping he doesn’t manage to split the vote and take us all into King Trump’s Fucking Dark Ages.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2019, 07:39:34 pm
Between Biden alternately covering himself in poo and playing aw-shucks games to hang onto his lead by the skin of his dentures, and Warren turning out to be THE ONLY PERSON who comes with actually realistic plans and shit and gaining some serious popularity on that, I think Yang is going to be dirt in the end. I’m just hoping he doesn’t manage to split the vote and take us all into King Trump’s Fucking Dark Ages.

I am becoming convinced that Harris is "suicide bunting" for Warren.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Norman on August 31, 2019, 03:59:06 pm
If it's Warren, the GOP are going to turn her into Hillary and it will be an extremely close general and I think Trump could eke that out.
If it's Biden, it will be harder for the GOP slur machine.  He's an old kooky white guy just like Trump. 

Let's face it guys, we have a racist, sexist electorate, the GOP knows it, and have no shame to use it if it gets them the win. 

Biden is old, he messes shit up, but he'll be surrounded by handlers like Trump is now. Except, a President Biden's staff, I think it's fair to say, will be far less batshit racist than Trump's.

This is such a no-brainer.  If the goal is for Trump to not be re-elected, Biden is the closest thing to a sure deal as the D's can put up.  Everyone else opens up pathways for Trump to get another 4 years.

C'mon D's, don't fuck it up this time!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 01, 2019, 09:20:03 am
I know you banned him, but imagine thinking "Biden is better because he's a senile old man like Trump" is a good quality in a leader.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on September 01, 2019, 04:50:31 pm
I am worried Norman is right about what would happen with Warren.  She's my favorite of the Democratic field but I can see her reading as Clintonesque to low info voters.  Kamela Harris is more sure to beat Trump, but her political history is awful and I feel like she'd lead to president Nugent in 8 years.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 03, 2019, 06:28:23 pm
I thought Warren would hit that buzzsaw when she announced, too.  But there are a few differences:

1. Not a Clinton.
2. Isn't acting like it should be given to her.
3. Doesn't have as much of a troublesome past ("superpredators", etc)
4. Runs left of moderate.
5. Not only has a policy for everything, has shown she can explain it without being wonky.
6. Trump won with a minority of votes, has lost some of his base, and Warren can pick up people who were too put off to vote last time.

I think she has a shot.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on September 03, 2019, 06:36:04 pm
Warren’s big fuckups are things either she’s been public about and done her best to repair the damage from or that probably most of the country has done (the Native American BS and having once been a Republican, respectively).

If anything, her distant Republican past probably gives her a better chance (people want a narrative for their actions, and she provides a narrative for “former Republican” without the pesky business of people coming up with their own, and people are more open to following the suggestions of those they mirror this way).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 03, 2019, 06:36:04 pm
She's also growing in popularity with the Dem base on a month by month basis.

And lets just recall who were the "sure shots" at this point in previous elections. 91? Bush. 2007? Clinton. 2016? Clinton or Cruz.

Establishment "safe bet" candidates don't exactly have a sterling track record.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Junkenstein on September 03, 2019, 06:51:41 pm
Looking at any potential dem candidate, I can't see one that will do what is needed in debates etc. And out idiot-idiot. It's been years of this shit and not one is willing to get dirty enough to win.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on September 03, 2019, 07:00:02 pm
Thing is, while I want Trump out I don’t think you need to outdo him at his own game to beat him. Also, I’d be horrified if that won. I would say if that’s the only way to win, the US was a failure. Time to start over, this one isn’t salvageable.

While normally that’s a jokey overreaction, I genuinely believe that if we need superTrump to beat ordinary Trump, the country can be safely written off as a loss. That way lies nothing but increasing awfulness.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2019, 07:20:14 pm
I am worried Norman is right about what would happen with Warren.  She's my favorite of the Democratic field but I can see her reading as Clintonesque to low info voters.  Kamela Harris is more sure to beat Trump, but her political history is awful and I feel like she'd lead to president Nugent in 8 years.

The only thing Warren has in common with Clinton is that she's a female democrat.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 03, 2019, 07:24:44 pm
TBH, voters are kinda dumb and sexist, so I can see them making that "connection."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Junkenstien on September 03, 2019, 07:28:23 pm
Thing is, while I want Trump out I don’t think you need to outdo him at his own game to beat him. Also, I’d be horrified if that won. I would say if that’s the only way to win, the US was a failure. Time to start over, this one isn’t salvageable.

While normally that’s a jokey overreaction, I genuinely believe that if we need superTrump to beat ordinary Trump, the country can be safely written off as a loss. That way lies nothing but increasing awfulness.

I don't think you're really serious about having the appropriate level of fun in the Horrible Times.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Bruno on September 03, 2019, 07:34:31 pm
My god, where is Terry Crews when we need him?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Frontside Back on September 03, 2019, 07:48:30 pm
I dunno, but I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbEk4YJi7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbEk4YJi7I)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 03, 2019, 10:00:14 pm
I was polled yesterday. My answers were "Warren, Castro, and everyone else can go fuck themselves."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 04, 2019, 04:07:07 pm
If you have the time, I'd like to know what you see in Castro that appeals to you.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2019, 05:15:34 pm
If you have the time, I'd like to know what you see in Castro that appeals to you.

I will say one thing for him:  He is smart enough to know that it is too late to stop climate change, and that an early priority is finding ways to buffer the effect on our population (drought resistant crops, water infrastructure, etc).

https://issues.juliancastro.com/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2019, 05:16:33 pm
Also, he's not afraid to say the violence epidemic is mostly on white supremacists, and that they need to be handled.

I'm still on the Warren train, but Castro isn't half bad.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Junkenstein on September 04, 2019, 05:52:08 pm
If you have the time, I'd like to know what you see in Castro that appeals to you.

I read that to mean "they can all go fuck themselves, including Warren/Castro".

I may be wrong but that's my stance.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on September 04, 2019, 07:01:37 pm
I am worried Norman is right about what would happen with Warren.  She's my favorite of the Democratic field but I can see her reading as Clintonesque to low info voters.  Kamela Harris is more sure to beat Trump, but her political history is awful and I feel like she'd lead to president Nugent in 8 years.

The only thing Warren has in common with Clinton is that she's a female democrat.

An old white female democrat.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 05, 2019, 12:03:41 am
I am worried Norman is right about what would happen with Warren.  She's my favorite of the Democratic field but I can see her reading as Clintonesque to low info voters.  Kamela Harris is more sure to beat Trump, but her political history is awful and I feel like she'd lead to president Nugent in 8 years.

The only thing Warren has in common with Clinton is that she's a female democrat.

An old white female democrat.

I see.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 05, 2019, 02:58:34 am
If you have the time, I'd like to know what you see in Castro that appeals to you.

A friend whose opinion I value greatly is 100% on board with him. He's got an immigration policy so solid Liz Warren said she'll just use his, and in general I find him to be someone who is believable in the role, which is 90% of actually being electable. I was happy to see him pushing back on some of the nonsense in the first debate, and I value both his attempt to bring trans people into the conversation at that debate and his self correction after the fact (said "trans women" when he meant "trans men"). Being able to own missteps like that is a big deal for me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 05, 2019, 03:33:43 pm
I appreciate that.  I hadn't given him much thought, tbh.  I'll look a bit closer.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 05, 2019, 06:44:58 pm
https://www.apnews.com/bd653f4eb5ed4f34b6c936221c35a3e5

Have fun with this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Magpie on September 05, 2019, 07:12:36 pm
https://www.apnews.com/bd653f4eb5ed4f34b6c936221c35a3e5

Have fun with this.

You can't say both sides are the same when only Trump's fans are writing manifestos.

There was a study published a few weeks ago about  people forming false memories after reading news they agreed with.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/fake-news-can-lead-to-false-memories.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 11, 2019, 07:15:52 pm
This is why I hate.

https://apnews.com/e7f10269e60b46dabe31c455fa04017e
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2019, 04:31:37 pm
From the dem debate fact checker thingie:

Quote
Virtually free comprehensive medical care would lead to big increases in the demand for services.

Which is another way of saying "I don't want to wait in line with poor people who at this point cannot afford any care at all."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on September 13, 2019, 04:35:57 pm
Yeah.

I mean, when people heard I have no insurance and I fucked my knee up, they just sorta did that whole “I want to help you but I don’t want poverty germs” look of strained sympathy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Junkenstein on September 14, 2019, 03:22:58 am
From the dem debate fact checker thingie:

Quote
Virtually free comprehensive medical care would lead to big increases in the demand for services.

Which is another way of saying "I don't want to wait in line with poor people who at this point cannot afford any care at all."

It also says a lot about the nation in general.

Nothing good, however.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Frontside Back on September 16, 2019, 12:42:59 am
Biden acts as a vaguely Trump shaped punching bag for democrat candidates to train on before the real deal. He'll probably win.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Fujikoma on September 16, 2019, 06:06:30 am
I'm hoping for Warren to pull ahead, tbh.

EDIT: Soon would be a good time for Bernie to pull out, that segment of the vote is getting a little split and Warren would likely bury Biden if he did so... but that's just my opinion.

EDIT AGAIN: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-third-democratic-debate-in-7-charts/ according to this Bernie supporters aren't considering supporting another candidate, so who knows? I'm possibly full of shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2019, 03:12:54 pm
I'm hoping for Warren to pull ahead, tbh.

EDIT: Soon would be a good time for Bernie to pull out, that segment of the vote is getting a little split and Warren would likely bury Biden if he did so... but that's just my opinion.

EDIT AGAIN: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-third-democratic-debate-in-7-charts/ according to this Bernie supporters aren't considering supporting another candidate, so who knows? I'm possibly full of shit.

Bernie will never in this lifetime drop out.  He will go to the bitter end, not in spite of the damage he will do, but because of the damage he will do.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Fujikoma on September 16, 2019, 03:44:35 pm
It's possible fate intervened. If he lost his voice in Colorado (snerk, sample some of the local goodies?) it would be nigh impossible for him to continue. Voicebox injuries are kind of a thing and sometimes require surgery. I like Bernie but he already made his point imo.

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/bernie-sanders-to-take-a-break-from-campaigning-to-rest/article_d6ffd15a-d753-11e9-8fb1-ab3b51c970d2.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2019, 03:50:25 pm
It's possible fate intervened. If he lost his voice in Colorado (snerk, sample some of the local goodies?) it would be nigh impossible for him to continue. Voicebox injuries are kind of a thing and sometimes require surgery. I like Bernie but he already made his point imo.

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/bernie-sanders-to-take-a-break-from-campaigning-to-rest/article_d6ffd15a-d753-11e9-8fb1-ab3b51c970d2.html

I distrust this.  It seems to be evidence of a benevolent deity, and we know that ain't happening.

Dok,
Waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Fujikoma on September 23, 2019, 08:30:01 pm
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-latest-iowa-poll-is-good-news-for-elizabeth-warren-and-tulsi-gabbard/

Well this is just fine by me, needs to be better in ALL states though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 29, 2019, 09:23:13 pm
https://apnews.com/346d1f931c6146c097f6516ee00dfbb2

The Catholic church is being just as classy as they were in the 1930s.   :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Fujikoma on October 29, 2019, 10:05:01 pm
Oh wow, no wonder there were schisms. Someone is playing a trumpet outside.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Junkenstein on October 29, 2019, 10:24:07 pm
It's possible fate intervened. If he lost his voice in Colorado (snerk, sample some of the local goodies?) it would be nigh impossible for him to continue. Voicebox injuries are kind of a thing and sometimes require surgery. I like Bernie but he already made his point imo.

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/bernie-sanders-to-take-a-break-from-campaigning-to-rest/article_d6ffd15a-d753-11e9-8fb1-ab3b51c970d2.html

I distrust this.  It seems to be evidence of a benevolent deity, and we know that ain't happening.

Dok,
Waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He dies a few weeks before the election resulting in the remaining time being used by democrats to wail and gnash teeth, dress in sackcloth etc. While republicans make up any lost ground. Idiot also gets to spend time attacking the dead guy which turns out to be a vote winner.

I am dreaming of the future and see no reason to be hopeful or suffer alone.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Magpie on October 29, 2019, 11:32:21 pm
https://apnews.com/346d1f931c6146c097f6516ee00dfbb2

The Catholic church is being just as classy as they were in the 1930s.   :lol:

In the 30s they probably would have excommunicated him for assisting in abortions by his political support of abortion rights.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 29, 2019, 11:37:32 pm
https://apnews.com/346d1f931c6146c097f6516ee00dfbb2

The Catholic church is being just as classy as they were in the 1930s.   :lol:

In the 30s they probably would have excommunicated him for assisting in abortions by his political support of abortion rights.

They were too busy giving the Nazis the nod.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 06, 2019, 06:18:18 pm
Gabbard says no 3rd party run.

https://apnews.com/dde98c1a1b844dd68dc142975f4767c9
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 08:18:46 pm
Steyer gets caught being a dumbass.  No laws actually broken, but this was really dumb.

https://apnews.com/4f024bbad09c4e0f97005376f0614377
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 10:13:32 pm
There is no end to this that won't be hilarious.

https://apnews.com/ef38fdca5e124147be9c02bde40d0b4a

Sessions is trying to get his old seat back off of DINO Jones.

Can you even imagine the look on Trump's face?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on November 07, 2019, 10:17:38 pm
I am betting Trump helps Jones’ campaign as much as they let him because Trump’s a fucking petty child and that’s the sort of kindergarten playground shit he plays at.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 10:47:36 pm
I am betting Trump helps Jones’ campaign as much as they let him because Trump’s a fucking petty child and that’s the sort of kindergarten playground shit he plays at.

Also, Jones has his face more or less affixed to Trump's rectum.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on November 07, 2019, 11:39:29 pm
I am betting Trump helps Jones’ campaign as much as they let him because Trump’s a fucking petty child and that’s the sort of kindergarten playground shit he plays at.

Also, Jones has his face more or less affixed to Trump's rectum.

What!

I didn’t know that. Please do tell.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 11:42:35 pm
I am betting Trump helps Jones’ campaign as much as they let him because Trump’s a fucking petty child and that’s the sort of kindergarten playground shit he plays at.

Also, Jones has his face more or less affixed to Trump's rectum.

What!

I didn’t know that. Please do tell.

Yeah, he's about as democrat as Joe Manchin.  Jones was just bitching last week or so about how this impeachment business is so very unfair to Trump.

And his voting record is "Mitch McConnell."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 02:45:47 pm
Pressley breaks with the squad, endorsing Warren.

https://apnews.com/53592c7f6a374282947abf53ef2eaf36
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on November 08, 2019, 06:52:04 pm
Both from MA.  Boston Strong, etc.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 10:09:21 pm
Today's word is "spoiler"

https://apnews.com/653386c5e7e040d09836d0e013558815
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Fujikoma on November 08, 2019, 11:29:07 pm
OMFG what kind of Russian bullshit is this?! NO, just NO.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on November 09, 2019, 12:08:28 am
Bloomberg will likely split Biden's vote though, won't he?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Fujikoma on November 09, 2019, 12:43:02 am
Bloomberg will likely snag it all, it's just a bit late to get started. When it would become a problem is if he ran as a third party. But who is he going to compete with in the democrat primaries?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on November 09, 2019, 12:46:01 am
 :?

Quote from: the NY Times yesterday
Presented with Mr. Bloomberg as a hypothetical entrant into the primary, 6 percent of Democratic primary voters said they would definitely support him, while 32 percent said they would never vote for him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Fujikoma on November 09, 2019, 01:03:46 am
I guess I don't have anything to worry about. I want Warren to win but there's a lot of bullshit out there. That's part of why I freaked out when the possibility of Hillary running came up. I really wish Sanders would just drop out and endorse Warren.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 09, 2019, 04:54:59 am
Bloomberg will likely split Biden's vote though, won't he?

Yep.  But just a sliver.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on November 10, 2019, 06:23:54 pm
I guess I don't have anything to worry about. I want Warren to win but there's a lot of bullshit out there. That's part of why I freaked out when the possibility of Hillary running came up. I really wish Sanders would just drop out and endorse Warren.

I'm also a Warren supporter, Sanders is my second favorite.  I keep seeing supporters for one or the other advocating for the other to drop out.  Really wouldn't it be better if Biden dropped out?  His health is clearly not good and he'd be a disaster against Trump, the moderates mostly support him and if we could see whether more of them support Sanders or Warren we'd get a better idea of what the general election would look like. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on November 10, 2019, 08:07:21 pm
Having Biden drop out would be fantastic for Warren. Between her and Sanders, she is far more likely to win moderates in the party over, especially when you consider that she herself was a Republican once, and is actually a member of the party.

Yeah, the billionaires are crying about Warren now, but they'll come around. And if they don't, fuck em.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 18, 2019, 08:56:55 pm
Oh, look, Mitch "Fuck You" McConnell wants us to be more civil while he fucks us.  :lulz:

https://apnews.com/c6e8fb4b760b453fb979243389d6f7c3
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Johnny on November 19, 2019, 04:09:22 am

Quote
“We have a behavioral problem,” McConnell said in a speech after receiving an award from the Kentucky Electric Cooperatives at the group’s annual meeting. “People are acting out and it’s not, I don’t think, limited to one ideological place or another. You’ve just got a lot of people engaging in bad behavior.”
...
“You read stories of young people, incentivized I think by the faculty actually on college campuses, who don’t want to hear anything they may disagree with,” he said. “It might upset them to be exposed to a point of view that they don’t always subscribe to — being brilliant, of course, and knowing everything at 18. I think that’s troublesome.”

Ok so, the liberals are unironically being called "degenerates", and now continuing with all the pseudo-psychological babble, "people are acting out"  :lulz:

Bonus points for infantilizing the opposition as well.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 19, 2019, 02:15:42 pm

Quote
“We have a behavioral problem,” McConnell said in a speech after receiving an award from the Kentucky Electric Cooperatives at the group’s annual meeting. “People are acting out and it’s not, I don’t think, limited to one ideological place or another. You’ve just got a lot of people engaging in bad behavior.”
...
“You read stories of young people, incentivized I think by the faculty actually on college campuses, who don’t want to hear anything they may disagree with,” he said. “It might upset them to be exposed to a point of view that they don’t always subscribe to — being brilliant, of course, and knowing everything at 18. I think that’s troublesome.”

Ok so, the liberals are unironically being called "degenerates", and now continuing with all the pseudo-psychological babble, "people are acting out"  :lulz:

Bonus points for infantilizing the opposition as well.

Well, you knew this wasn't a call for more civility.  It's a call for coming down on younger protesters with hobnail boots.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 19, 2019, 06:39:54 pm
Well, this is nice to see.  Amazing how it has to be a campaign promise instead of "of course we'll do that."

https://apnews.com/9be9d02ff2c04beb959f766d4a7480d4
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 20, 2019, 10:03:48 pm
From the How Did You Think This Was A Good Idea Department:

https://apnews.com/c71e5d1018eb45b9ba6ed598c70a019b

Also, unrelated, Nebraska is opening its drivers license database to the feds, which even Kansas wouldn't do.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on November 22, 2019, 10:46:50 am
Well, this is nice to see.  Amazing how it has to be a campaign promise instead of "of course we'll do that."

https://apnews.com/9be9d02ff2c04beb959f766d4a7480d4

I'm already imagining how Ted Nugent (or whatever other fascist the GOP nominates in 2028) will use what she creates against black folks, queers, and labor unions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2019, 06:51:22 pm
Harris just dropped out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: MMIX on December 03, 2019, 07:46:23 pm
Harris just dropped out.

Bye, Felicia
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2019, 08:15:02 pm
Harris just dropped out.

Bye, Felicia

It has been obvious for months that she was running interference for Warren, really.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: MMIX on December 03, 2019, 10:48:22 pm
Harris just dropped out.

Bye, Felicia

It has been obvious for months that she was running interference for Warren, really.


Any chance of a VP slot, d'you think?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2019, 10:51:02 pm
Harris just dropped out.

Bye, Felicia

It has been obvious for months that she was running interference for Warren, really.


Any chance of a VP slot, d'you think?

If I were a betting man, rather than a holy man™, I'd say 5:3 against.  Warren will pick a man as VP, because this is America and it's 1972.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: MMIX on December 03, 2019, 11:17:30 pm
Harris just dropped out.

Bye, Felicia

It has been obvious for months that she was running interference for Warren, really.


Any chance of a VP slot, d'you think?

If I were a betting man, rather than a holy man™, I'd say 5:3 against.  Warren will pick a man as VP, because this is America and it's 1972.

Yeah, of course it is, I knew I was missing something :( Shame though, thats a power pair that could really shake the foundations
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2019, 11:36:24 pm
Harris just dropped out.

Bye, Felicia

It has been obvious for months that she was running interference for Warren, really.


Any chance of a VP slot, d'you think?

If I were a betting man, rather than a holy man™, I'd say 5:3 against.  Warren will pick a man as VP, because this is America and it's 1972.

Yeah, of course it is, I knew I was missing something :( Shame though, thats a power pair that could really shake the foundations

Well, yeah, but that would ALSO put two senate seats up for grabs, instead of one.

And right now, all the long term damage is being done by the GOP senate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 04, 2019, 01:27:05 am
Warren picks Castro, Bernie picks Harris
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on December 04, 2019, 01:39:21 am
Warren picks Castro, Bernie picks Harris

 :lulz: :lulz: This is only funny because it’s our future
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 06, 2019, 02:55:38 pm
Joni Ernst shits the bed.

Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) — An outside group founded by top political aides to Sen. Joni Ernst has worked closely with the Iowa Republican to raise money and boost her reelection prospects, a degree of overlap that potentially violates the law, documents obtained by The Associated Press show.

Iowa Values, a political nonprofit that is supposed to be run independently, was co-founded in 2017 by Ernst’s longtime consultant, Jon Kohan. It shares a fundraiser, Claire Holloway Avella, with the Ernst campaign. And a condo owned by a former aide — who was recently hired to lead the group — was used as Iowa Values’ address at a time when he worked for her.

https://apnews.com/eeb44fc06b0cb202bc1edbd1adee7f7d
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 02, 2020, 03:36:46 pm
Julian Castro just dropped out of the race.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 02, 2020, 04:28:24 pm
This is where I say "who?" even though I know who he is, to underscore what a nonentity he has been in the race.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 02, 2020, 04:44:21 pm
This is where I say "who?" even though I know who he is, to underscore what a nonentity he has been in the race.

Yeah, this cycle's clown car crop is sorting itself out quickly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 02, 2020, 04:51:17 pm
And then Bootyboo punted.  :lulz:

https://apnews.com/47ffb57f286f5b57c3edffd739e13ed6
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 03, 2020, 12:59:18 am
He's going to totally corner that Republican "OK with gays but hate Biden" vote.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 03, 2020, 02:24:56 am
Castro is a real loss for the field. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a Warren/Castro ticket, but I've got a bad feeling this is coming down to Bernie and Biden
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 03, 2020, 02:36:49 am
Castro is a real loss for the field. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a Warren/Castro ticket, but I've got a bad feeling this is coming down to Bernie and Biden

Castro was never really in the field.

He had lots of interesting things to say, but he never had any actual momentum.

But I think you are correct.  Warren has lost momentum. 

THAT BEING SAID:  Doesn't matter which of the front-runners win, I'm still going to shake my ancient & vile ass out to the polling station.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on January 03, 2020, 02:41:23 am
Yeah. The main difference is:

Warren, I’ll do so happily.
Bernie, I’ll do so without caring much either way.

Biden, I’ll do so while frothing expletives. THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN FUCKING DO?

I’ll be leading with my ass and exiting with P3nt’s ghostly head hanging out of my mouth like a vile, deranged parasite, cussing fit to give old people aneurysms at three hundred yards.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 03, 2020, 03:35:23 am
Yeah. The main difference is:

Warren, I’ll do so happily.
Bernie, I’ll do so without caring much either way.

Biden, I’ll do so while frothing expletives. THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN FUCKING DO?

I’ll be leading with my ass and exiting with P3nt’s ghostly head hanging out of my mouth like a vile, deranged parasite, cussing fit to give old people aneurysms at three hundred yards.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on January 03, 2020, 02:56:46 pm
Buttigieg is really just "Biden, but younger and with rainbows". He needs to go away.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 03, 2020, 03:06:53 pm
Buttigieg is really just "Biden, but younger and with rainbows". He needs to go away.

He's worse than Biden by far.

He sold his own minority group out for a chicken sandwich on live TV.  Next to Buttigieg, Biden is Goddamn Teddy Roosevelt.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on January 03, 2020, 03:15:22 pm
Buttigieg is really just "Biden, but younger and with rainbows". He needs to go away.

He's worse than Biden by far.

He sold his own minority group out for a chicken sandwich on live TV.  Next to Buttigieg, Biden is Goddamn Teddy Roosevelt.
I'm pretty sure Biden, if he were young and queer, would also do that. And yes I know he sold us out for that fucking sandwich. I ugly laughed bc I TOLD all my queer friends who liked him that he was a piece of shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 03, 2020, 03:39:43 pm
Buttigieg is really just "Biden, but younger and with rainbows". He needs to go away.

He's worse than Biden by far.

He sold his own minority group out for a chicken sandwich on live TV.  Next to Buttigieg, Biden is Goddamn Teddy Roosevelt.
I'm pretty sure Biden, if he were young and queer, would also do that. And yes I know he sold us out for that fucking sandwich. I ugly laughed bc I TOLD all my queer friends who liked him that he was a piece of shit.

Biden would harm them, but for their own good.  He is the classic example of paternalism.  Buttgieg is just a weasel.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on January 03, 2020, 03:41:54 pm
He's Chuck E. Cheese's humansona. 🤷
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 03, 2020, 03:42:53 pm
He's Chuck E. Cheese's humansona. 🤷

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Bu☆ns on January 03, 2020, 03:45:02 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/fzFydZP.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on January 03, 2020, 03:52:28 pm
I honestly need her to drop out for realsies tho. She stopped being funny after the whole AIDS thing came out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 03, 2020, 05:08:18 pm
I honestly need her to drop out for realsies tho. She stopped being funny after the whole AIDS thing came out.

Oh, it kept getting funnier, for a given sense of humor.  The primary is a clown car, only it's running people over because it's a Tesla and it's on fire because it's electric.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 13, 2020, 06:27:56 pm
Booker is out.

https://apnews.com/7a3630602005f50be4c7c7aa483c9e6e
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 29, 2020, 09:53:16 pm
Bleak.

https://apnews.com/115076e2bd194cfa7560cb4642ab8038
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on February 04, 2020, 11:35:10 am
So Iowa apparently doesn't know how to use their phones, and all the candidates except Biden seem to be declaring victory...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 04, 2020, 02:32:19 pm
"RESULTS EXPECTED SOON" for the last 13 hours.  :lulz:

 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 04, 2020, 02:33:10 pm
Yeah. Trialling a new app and reporting system for the Iowa caucases seems like a pretty stupid idea...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 04, 2020, 02:34:38 pm
Yeah. Trialling a new app and reporting system for the Iowa caucases seems like a pretty stupid idea...

It's only going to get dumber, because the democratic party is dumber. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 04, 2020, 05:45:22 pm
If you are too stupid to have a backup plan, you're not gonna have a good time.

https://apnews.com/65327a2b9acbc9c903ef7f906bfce1f4
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 04, 2020, 06:14:46 pm
Great, hours more of people screaming conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 04, 2020, 06:23:41 pm
I wish someone would remind them of how well Pokemon Go worked when it was first launched.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 04, 2020, 06:29:50 pm
Great, hours more of people screaming conspiracy theories.

I am watching the worst Bernie Bro I know already screeching about how this is all a conspiracy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on February 04, 2020, 08:07:28 pm
yeah we're in one of those chaotic moments where all the BREAKING NEWS is unreliable

and it's about to get even more confusing



in my youth, I cherished these moments - anything could happen!
now I recognize that anything could happen is usually grim as fuck
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 04, 2020, 09:28:45 pm
Seems Vermin Supreme is doing pretty good.

https://nationalfile.com/somehow-vermin-supreme-is-winning-the-libertarian-partys-2020-presidential-primaries/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 04, 2020, 10:11:29 pm
yeah we're in one of those chaotic moments where all the BREAKING NEWS is unreliable

and it's about to get even more confusing



in my youth, I cherished these moments - anything could happen!
now I recognize that anything could happen is usually grim as fuck

That's when the ability to laugh through the pain really pays off.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on February 05, 2020, 02:13:44 am
Seems Vermin Supreme is doing pretty good.

https://nationalfile.com/somehow-vermin-supreme-is-winning-the-libertarian-partys-2020-presidential-primaries/

Funny, since ponies for everyone is basically the exact opposite of Libertarianism.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 05, 2020, 07:58:27 am
Seems Vermin Supreme is doing pretty good.

https://nationalfile.com/somehow-vermin-supreme-is-winning-the-libertarian-partys-2020-presidential-primaries/

Funny, since ponies for everyone is basically the exact opposite of Libertarianism.

Yeah. It's great. They found themselves a much more wholesome incoherent demogog than the one currently in office, and a serious "joke" candidate suitable to a joke party.

One of his slogans I've seen tossed around is just brilliant.

"I want to take your guns, and then give you better guns!"

I do hope he manages to break out into the popular culture.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Johnny on February 05, 2020, 08:32:29 am

"Vermin Supreme, leader of the Free World" has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 05, 2020, 11:07:26 am

"Vermin Supreme, leader of the Free World" has a nice ring to it.

It does doesn't it? At the end of the election he could just unilaterally declare a victory, that was suppressed by Them, go bigger than Norton, and take on that title with nothing to lose and gain real notoriety if nothing else.

One day Vermin Supreme will be upon all lips.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on February 05, 2020, 11:30:54 am
I don't see the Dems winning, but if they did the only one I could see unilaterally declaring their victory being suppressed is the cheeto.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 05, 2020, 11:38:10 am
I don't see the Dems winning, but if they did the only one I could see unilaterally declaring their victory being suppressed is the cheeto.

All Supreme would have to do is mirror that and show it absurd. It wouldn't change much, but if the game is baseless accusations and blowing smoke I think Supreme might just have an edge. At the very least he is not boring.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 05, 2020, 02:31:21 pm

Yeah. It's great. They found themselves a much more wholesome incoherent demogog than the one currently in office, a

Boom.  Practicable solution.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on February 05, 2020, 02:34:39 pm
I believe the system is collapsing because everyone has realized how preposterous it is to bother trying to govern at all. We are ready for utopia, as can be seen from the high level of every individual consciousness in the deep south.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2020, 02:36:15 pm
I don't see the Dems winning, but if they did the only one I could see unilaterally declaring their victory being suppressed is the cheeto.

And if Trump wins, I think he'll call for term limits to be abolished. As soon as he leaves the Presidency, he's liable to be investigated for a whole lot of crimes, and he'll have to rely on his on wealth, not the government budget, to defend himself.

So of course, he has all the incentive in the world not to step down.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 05, 2020, 02:37:41 pm
I believe the system is collapsing because everyone has realized how preposterous it is to bother trying to govern at all. We are ready for utopia, as can be seen from the high level of every individual consciousness in the deep south.

 :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 05, 2020, 06:15:31 pm
I don't see the Dems winning, but if they did the only one I could see unilaterally declaring their victory being suppressed is the cheeto.

And if Trump wins, I think he'll call for term limits to be abolished. As soon as he leaves the Presidency, he's liable to be investigated for a whole lot of crimes, and he'll have to rely on his on wealth, not the government budget, to defend himself.

So of course, he has all the incentive in the world not to step down.

If they, crowing in their arrogance, abolished term limits then round 3 could be Trump v Obama and The Battle of the Antichrists will be on in earnest.

Obama would have to be a total madman to do that though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 05, 2020, 07:26:31 pm
I don't see the Dems winning, but if they did the only one I could see unilaterally declaring their victory being suppressed is the cheeto.

And if Trump wins, I think he'll call for term limits to be abolished. As soon as he leaves the Presidency, he's liable to be investigated for a whole lot of crimes, and he'll have to rely on his on wealth, not the government budget, to defend himself.

So of course, he has all the incentive in the world not to step down.

If they, crowing in their arrogance, abolished term limits then round 3 could be Trump v Obama and The Battle of the Antichrists will be on in earnest.

Obama would have to be a total madman to do that though.
The base is already calling for this bc they seem to have forgotten why we hate monarchies.


Alright, so technically the DNC can run anyone they want regardless of the primary results. I won't be surprised if they shoehorn Biden - God help us all - into the candidacy. I predict a fucking root at the DNC convention if that happens but what do y'all think?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 05, 2020, 08:21:37 pm

The base is already calling for this bc they seem to have forgotten why we hate monarchies.


Because none of the useless fucks ever read the book of Samuel, that's why.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 12, 2020, 01:10:08 am
Aaaaand Yang is out  (http://"https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/andrew-yang-drops-out-presidential-race-n1134161?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR22RIdi9wpeDZNQr6OPg_Z4tX2SVhnTG2syod5QtJfOhisIBv132oVRhCI")
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on February 12, 2020, 01:16:58 am
Somebody just said "Yang Gang" unironically on the news and that almost makes up for this whole fuckin fiasco.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 12, 2020, 04:20:06 am
Aaaaand Yang is out  (http://"https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/andrew-yang-drops-out-presidential-race-n1134161?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR22RIdi9wpeDZNQr6OPg_Z4tX2SVhnTG2syod5QtJfOhisIBv132oVRhCI")

Also Bennett, and Patrick is supposed to drop tomorrow.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 12, 2020, 06:10:41 am
I've never heard of either of them tbh.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 17, 2020, 02:57:31 pm
The dems are showing their "talents" right now.  Sanders is winning because three moderates are splitting the centrist vote (Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Biden), so Sanders won Iowa with only 26% of the vote.

The dems cannot settle on one centrist, but also can't seem to stomach the idea of getting behind Sanders, and now they're all looking at Bloomberg because, well, because.  Congressional endorsements are currently Buttigieg 1, Klobuchar 1, Bloomberg 7.

So the party now has 3 centrists that can't consolidate, 1 lefty that they can't stomach, and Skinny Trump who hasn't bothered with debates or primaries.

This is such a shitshow.  :lulz:


https://apnews.com/4788e8a658d7934e38a389746a7c58c5
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 17, 2020, 03:03:58 pm
If Bloomberg wins, I would seriously recommend people leave. Once you have proof of concept that you can just brazenly buy the Presidency, no matter how much of a jackbooted thug you are, it's all over. And Bloomberg scares me. He's Trump, if Trump could concentrate and wasn't just a ball of unfocused malice and Fox News soundbites.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 17, 2020, 03:20:50 pm
If Bloomberg wins, I would seriously recommend people leave. Once you have proof of concept that you can just brazenly buy the Presidency, no matter how much of a jackbooted thug you are, it's all over. And Bloomberg scares me. He's Trump, if Trump could concentrate and wasn't just a ball of unfocused malice and Fox News soundbites.

I have recently had a job offer floated my way from a company in Norway.

I am giving it some serious thought, even though Norway is not habitable.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 17, 2020, 03:52:13 pm
They have lutefisk there, that has to be more fun than Bloomberg
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on February 17, 2020, 03:54:58 pm
If Bloomberg wins, I would seriously recommend people leave. Once you have proof of concept that you can just brazenly buy the Presidency, no matter how much of a jackbooted thug you are, it's all over. And Bloomberg scares me. He's Trump, if Trump could concentrate and wasn't just a ball of unfocused malice and Fox News soundbites.

I have recently had a job offer floated my way from a company in Norway.

I am giving it some serious thought, even though Norway is not habitable.

When they were making the countries character sheet they pulled all the points out of weather, way below starting stats, but then maxed out everything else they could.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 17, 2020, 03:56:52 pm
If Bloomberg wins, I would seriously recommend people leave. Once you have proof of concept that you can just brazenly buy the Presidency, no matter how much of a jackbooted thug you are, it's all over. And Bloomberg scares me. He's Trump, if Trump could concentrate and wasn't just a ball of unfocused malice and Fox News soundbites.

I have recently had a job offer floated my way from a company in Norway.

I am giving it some serious thought, even though Norway is not habitable.

When they were making the countries character sheet they pulled all the points out of weather, way below starting stats, but then maxed out everything else they could.

Education 18
Weather 3
Health care 15
Metal 18
Food 7
Fjords 18
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 17, 2020, 03:57:51 pm
They have lutefisk there, that has to be more fun than Bloomberg

I am seriously tempted, but my tolerance for cold weather has disappeared during the last 15 years because Arizona.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on February 17, 2020, 04:02:56 pm
Fjords 18
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on February 17, 2020, 06:51:52 pm
They have lutefisk there, that has to be more fun than Bloomberg

I am seriously tempted, but my tolerance for cold weather has disappeared during the last 15 years because Arizona.
As my grandfather used to say, a fellow can get used to anything, even hanging.  Norway doesn't sound all that cold, anyway.  I'd rather wear a coat than carry a gun.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: rong on February 17, 2020, 07:49:25 pm
I'd bet the seafood is better in Norway.  Tacos probly not so much
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 17, 2020, 08:14:49 pm
They have lutefisk there, that has to be more fun than Bloomberg

I am seriously tempted, but my tolerance for cold weather has disappeared during the last 15 years because Arizona.
As my grandfather used to say, a fellow can get used to anything, even hanging.  Norway doesn't sound all that cold, anyway.  I'd rather wear a coat than carry a gun.

Yeah, by the second time they hang you, you hardly even notice.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on February 17, 2020, 10:46:11 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504120665847234576/679001725398548491/Homelessness_60079d_7548176.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 18, 2020, 01:04:36 pm
This article (https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/02/a-republican-plutocrat-tries-to-buy-the-democratic-nomination/) does a good job of laying out a very strong case against Bloomberg.

Quote
Bloomberg has shown a far more terrifying form of clientelism even than Donald Trump. If someone opposes him, he simply uses his money to overpower them. Because Bloomberg’s wealth is virtually infinite (even the billion dollars he will spend this year will not diminish his net worth at all, since it’s just the money his money makes), if a newspaper reporter tries to expose him, he can just buy the newspaper and shut them down. If a nonprofit group complains about him, he can just give them a pile of money to shut them up. The reason this is a kind of dictatorship is that people need money, so it’s very hard to turn it down when it’s offered. How can a struggling city turn down Michael Bloomberg’s checks? Yet if they take them, they have to do what he says. The Michael Bloomberg pitch is that because of his money, he is not beholden to anyone. But leaders should be beholden—only a dictator is beholden to no one. When Bloomberg says that nobody owns him, it’s because he owns you.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 18, 2020, 02:37:15 pm
At this point the only candidate that I consider truly authentic is Vermin Supreme.

The following poem is an example of the kind of support I feel for him.

Quote

A meme is
A meme is
A Meme!

Please open your pockets
Oh please support Vermin Supreme

For just $5 you too can be in on the fun!
For just $50 think of how you will smile,
Knowing that you did something good!

For a life time scale, financially paltry
$500 just imagine the sort of things
YOU will be supporting, as a Supreme American!!

There's no top here!
And no stopping
The Supreme Express!!
Your donation is your part,
Your means of expression.   


Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 18, 2020, 03:37:42 pm
This article (https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/02/a-republican-plutocrat-tries-to-buy-the-democratic-nomination/) does a good job of laying out a very strong case against Bloomberg.

Quote
Bloomberg has shown a far more terrifying form of clientelism even than Donald Trump. If someone opposes him, he simply uses his money to overpower them. Because Bloomberg’s wealth is virtually infinite (even the billion dollars he will spend this year will not diminish his net worth at all, since it’s just the money his money makes), if a newspaper reporter tries to expose him, he can just buy the newspaper and shut them down. If a nonprofit group complains about him, he can just give them a pile of money to shut them up. The reason this is a kind of dictatorship is that people need money, so it’s very hard to turn it down when it’s offered. How can a struggling city turn down Michael Bloomberg’s checks? Yet if they take them, they have to do what he says. The Michael Bloomberg pitch is that because of his money, he is not beholden to anyone. But leaders should be beholden—only a dictator is beholden to no one. When Bloomberg says that nobody owns him, it’s because he owns you.

Boom.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 18, 2020, 11:44:43 pm
We've heard that "no one owns him" rhetoric before from Trump. It's a nice idea but, like, it doesn't work out well with these guillotine bait billionaires.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 19, 2020, 03:23:59 am
No, you see, because he has made it his life's pursuit to acquire as much money as possible it only stands to reason that he cannot be influenced by money.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 19, 2020, 06:03:53 am
:lulz: I mean, fair.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 19, 2020, 01:09:39 pm
No, you see, because he has made it his life's pursuit to acquire as much money as possible it only stands to reason that he cannot be influenced by money.

I'm gonna need to steal that at some point
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 19, 2020, 03:26:34 pm
No, you see, because he has made it his life's pursuit to acquire as much money as possible it only stands to reason that he cannot be influenced by money.

Losers play for money.
Players play for influence.
Masters play for souls.
Grand masters play for LOTS of souls.
And me?
Well,
I play for the Joy,
You see.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on February 25, 2020, 06:01:21 pm
Pete Buttchug is a self-hating gay man. It isn’t even rude of a fucking hetero person to say it anymore: https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1232160342848851968?s=21

He just came out and said he would take a pill to not be gay. It’s a fact.

I hate this fucking dorky white dude so much. I want to monster him, Spider style. Fucking hell.

ETA: check the look on his husband’s face when the camera cuts to him. I’m on the autism spectrum so I can’t quite be certain, but that sure looks like “oh wow I made a terrible mistake” to me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2020, 06:34:26 pm

He just came out and said he would take a pill to not be gay. It’s a fact.


Yeah, his husband should hit the bricks, maybe find someone else entirely.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2020, 07:22:39 pm
This is an accurate representation of Pete's husband:

:spag:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 26, 2020, 02:47:14 am
I did hear "woulda" rather than "would". He kinda swallowed the last syllable there but ngl I kinda suspect he still feels that way anyway. That almost bitter lip quirk from Chasten makes me suspect this is an issue in their marriage. On one hand, that makes me legitimately feel bad for Petey bc internalized homophobia is painful. On the other, his husband just looks tired.

A thing I don't feel bad for laughing at Buttigieg about, tho, is him being drowned out by BLM protestors at a demonstration and then scampering back to the safety of his Escalade.

https://time.com/5790037/pete-buttigieg-protesters-minimum-wage-south-carolina/?fbclid=IwAR1aIWGbSxxmn1yRvfDzbkuns533v0sMoX-PxR7uvp0T3tog7UYziufb1-s
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2020, 06:38:26 pm
I did hear "woulda" rather than "would". He kinda swallowed the last syllable there but ngl I kinda suspect he still feels that way anyway. That almost bitter lip quirk from Chasten makes me suspect this is an issue in their marriage. On one hand, that makes me legitimately feel bad for Petey bc internalized homophobia is painful. On the other, his husband just looks tired.

A thing I don't feel bad for laughing at Buttigieg about, tho, is him being drowned out by BLM protestors at a demonstration and then scampering back to the safety of his Escalade.

https://time.com/5790037/pete-buttigieg-protesters-minimum-wage-south-carolina/?fbclid=IwAR1aIWGbSxxmn1yRvfDzbkuns533v0sMoX-PxR7uvp0T3tog7UYziufb1-s

I don't feel bad for him.  I feel bad for his husband.  Can you even imagine the sense of diminished value that just occurred there?  Dude just got told that he isn't the most important thing in his spouse's life.  That's divorce material.  It's betrayal.

Sometimes people say things that reveal their low regard for another person, and they honestly don't understand that's what they're doing.  They state by accident that you're less than a person.  That happened to me not very long ago.  It's hurtful, but not in the way that this - deliberately slamming his spouse for a political point or even out of lack of courage - would be.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on February 26, 2020, 07:12:32 pm
Precisely this.

And the evidence seems to say that it was said for political points: someone who grew up with him said he changed the pronunciation of his name, twice, and had never had any goal in life BUT the presidency. He’s more the Smiler than anything I’ve seen to date: just a hollow shell of ambition. What happens when that gets what it wants?

I hope not to find out. It will destroy LGBT acceptance in the west.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 26, 2020, 07:21:29 pm
Some of my more radical queer friends have said that the insistence for LGBT+ to assimilate to straight culture in the 90s (marriage equality, adoption, etc) led directly to what we're seeing now: a deliberate rejection of the revolutionary spirit that triggered the gay liberation movement of the 70s/80s.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on February 26, 2020, 08:05:22 pm
Some of my more radical queer friends have said that the insistence for LGBT+ to assimilate to straight culture in the 90s (marriage equality, adoption, etc) led directly to what we're seeing now: a deliberate rejection of the revolutionary spirit that triggered the gay liberation movement of the 70s/80s.

It’s exactly that. You can see the through lines, like the backlash against “queer” as an umbrella term being driven by terfs and heteronormative white gay men. I don’t have to do much citing for this: if you know the history and you look at the ideological ancestors of the current LGBT “groups”, it’s plain to see.

It’s as simple as “now we are the “good gays” so we have to fight the “bad gays”.”

These people have never been anything but quislings from the start. They’ll get theirs in time.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2020, 09:05:23 pm
Some of my more radical queer friends have said that the insistence for LGBT+ to assimilate to straight culture in the 90s (marriage equality, adoption, etc) led directly to what we're seeing now: a deliberate rejection of the revolutionary spirit that triggered the gay liberation movement of the 70s/80s.

Equality only exists at the point where those distinctions are meaningless in fact as well as peoples' wishful thinking.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 28, 2020, 08:29:28 pm
Some of my more radical queer friends have said that the insistence for LGBT+ to assimilate to straight culture in the 90s (marriage equality, adoption, etc) led directly to what we're seeing now: a deliberate rejection of the revolutionary spirit that triggered the gay liberation movement of the 70s/80s.

It’s exactly that. You can see the through lines, like the backlash against “queer” as an umbrella term being driven by terfs and heteronormative white gay men. I don’t have to do much citing for this: if you know the history and you look at the ideological ancestors of the current LGBT “groups”, it’s plain to see.

It’s as simple as “now we are the “good gays” so we have to fight the “bad gays”.”

These people have never been anything but quislings from the start. They’ll get theirs in time.
100% this. Pete is a "good gay" and that's why he's getting shredded by good chunks of the community. I think their time is coming soon.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2020, 08:57:09 pm
Some of my more radical queer friends have said that the insistence for LGBT+ to assimilate to straight culture in the 90s (marriage equality, adoption, etc) led directly to what we're seeing now: a deliberate rejection of the revolutionary spirit that triggered the gay liberation movement of the 70s/80s.

It’s exactly that. You can see the through lines, like the backlash against “queer” as an umbrella term being driven by terfs and heteronormative white gay men. I don’t have to do much citing for this: if you know the history and you look at the ideological ancestors of the current LGBT “groups”, it’s plain to see.

It’s as simple as “now we are the “good gays” so we have to fight the “bad gays”.”

These people have never been anything but quislings from the start. They’ll get theirs in time.
100% this. Pete is a "good gay" and that's why he's getting shredded by good chunks of the community. I think their time is coming soon.

I am assuming by "good Gay" you mean the equivalent of a minstrel show?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 28, 2020, 09:26:43 pm
Some of my more radical queer friends have said that the insistence for LGBT+ to assimilate to straight culture in the 90s (marriage equality, adoption, etc) led directly to what we're seeing now: a deliberate rejection of the revolutionary spirit that triggered the gay liberation movement of the 70s/80s.

It’s exactly that. You can see the through lines, like the backlash against “queer” as an umbrella term being driven by terfs and heteronormative white gay men. I don’t have to do much citing for this: if you know the history and you look at the ideological ancestors of the current LGBT “groups”, it’s plain to see.

It’s as simple as “now we are the “good gays” so we have to fight the “bad gays”.”

These people have never been anything but quislings from the start. They’ll get theirs in time.
100% this. Pete is a "good gay" and that's why he's getting shredded by good chunks of the community. I think their time is coming soon.

I am assuming by "good Gay" you mean the equivalent of a minstrel show?
Well, I meant heteronormative and pro-assimilation. I feel like "minstrel show" would be accurate if he were the first closeted straight candidate, as one of my queer friends half suspects.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2020, 09:40:07 pm

Well, I meant heteronormative and pro-assimilation. I feel like "minstrel show" would be accurate if he were the first closeted straight candidate, as one of my queer friends half suspects.

Not sure what's wrong with the assimilation bit.  But with respect to the heteronormative thing, yes, he seems to tack all manner of disclaimers on himself.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 28, 2020, 10:59:31 pm
Well, I meant heteronormative and pro-assimilation. I feel like "minstrel show" would be accurate if he were the first closeted straight candidate, as one of my queer friends half suspects.

Not sure what's wrong with the assimilation bit.  But with respect to the heteronormative thing, yes, he seems to tack all manner of disclaimers on himself.
We'd have to surrender queer culture to assimilate. I'd prefer the salad bowl, side by side, approach to equality. We get to be visibly queer if we want and still full members of society.

Pete is the kind of queer with, yeah, a lot disclaimers attached. "I'm queer but not like those queers." It's gate keeping horseshit and queers like him are barely better than the rest of us.

ETA: "Those queers" are, of course, gender non conforming folks and especially trans people. The whole thing is also entangled with race and class. The Safe Gays™ are also neoliberals who are at least middle class and doing the whole "2.5 kids and a white picket fence" thing. They present a much lesser threat to the status quo than "those queers", essentially.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2020, 01:56:18 pm
I gather Pete's out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2020, 01:57:17 pm

We'd have to surrender queer culture to assimilate. I'd prefer the salad bowl, side by side, approach to equality. We get to be visibly queer if we want and still full members of society.


I think we are operating under different definitions, here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 02, 2020, 02:18:51 pm
Most likely.  I believe in this situation, by 'assimilate' Juana means, "the only acceptable way to present oneself in this society is to adopt the habits, speech patterns, clothing, and social ideology of straight, white, middle-class men and women."

So in order to be considered part of society, the Big Gay Cowboys, the non-binary, the Trans, the leather daddies, the bears, the drag queens, the drag kings, the disco twinks, the butch femmes, etc. all need to start dressing and acting like a banker or Martha Stewart.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on March 02, 2020, 02:26:27 pm
Is bloomberg out as well, the only thing that scares me more than another four years of trump is four years of a meaner, smarter, richer, competent and more morally corrupt version of him
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on March 02, 2020, 05:53:40 pm
Well, I meant heteronormative and pro-assimilation. I feel like "minstrel show" would be accurate if he were the first closeted straight candidate, as one of my queer friends half suspects.

Not sure what's wrong with the assimilation bit.  But with respect to the heteronormative thing, yes, he seems to tack all manner of disclaimers on himself.
We'd have to surrender queer culture to assimilate. I'd prefer the salad bowl, side by side, approach to equality. We get to be visibly queer if we want and still full members of society.

Pete is the kind of queer with, yeah, a lot disclaimers attached. "I'm queer but not like those queers." It's gate keeping horseshit and queers like him are barely better than the rest of us.

ETA: "Those queers" are, of course, gender non conforming folks and especially trans people. The whole thing is also entangled with race and class. The Safe Gays™ are also neoliberals who are at least middle class and doing the whole "2.5 kids and a white picket fence" thing. They present a much lesser threat to the status quo than "those queers", essentially.

He's said a few times that he's gay, not queer.  I agree.  I'm also glad he's out of the race.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2020, 06:09:41 pm
Is bloomberg out as well, the only thing that scares me more than another four years of trump is four years of a meaner, smarter, richer, competent and more morally corrupt version of him

Nope, not yet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2020, 06:14:48 pm
Most likely.  I believe in this situation, by 'assimilate' Juana means, "the only acceptable way to present oneself in this society is to adopt the habits, speech patterns, clothing, and social ideology of straight, white, middle-class men and women."

So in order to be considered part of society, the Big Gay Cowboys, the non-binary, the Trans, the leather daddies, the bears, the drag queens, the drag kings, the disco twinks, the butch femmes, etc. all need to start dressing and acting like a banker or Martha Stewart.

I see.  I can see why that would make people's hackles go up.  This in fact would bring on the rage from me.

When I think "assimilation," it's the other way around.  The subgroup's behavior and modes of expression just become normalized within the larger group.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 02, 2020, 06:16:42 pm
That's something I can 100% get behind.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2020, 06:20:08 pm
That's something I can 100% get behind.

The language here isn't very clear.  What terms should we use if the PERSON has to change, and what terms if SOCIETY has to change?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 02, 2020, 06:24:47 pm
That's something I can 100% get behind.

The language here isn't very clear.  What terms should we use if the PERSON has to change, and what terms if SOCIETY has to change?

I think the distinction is between “assimilation” (natural cultural osmosis) and “assimilationism” (forcible integration by tearing away anything that might get you funny looks).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2020, 09:12:44 pm
Klobuchar just dropped out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 02, 2020, 11:05:48 pm
I am back on Peedee just for this thread.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2020, 11:40:22 pm
I am back on Peedee just for this thread.

Dems are dropping like old folks in Wuhan.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 03, 2020, 12:12:39 am
This is really fkn bad.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 12:19:26 am
Give me the update. I’m not seeing bad shit this moment, but I’m so isolated that it’s hard to tell what’s possibly happening to look for more details.

I will not miss Pete or Klobuchar, personally.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on March 03, 2020, 12:24:26 am
Klobuchar just dropped out.

The Canadian news media seemed to view her favourably.

So, what's the likely outcome?  Sanders wins the nomination, but doesn't attract enough of the moderate vote to unseat Trump?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 12:28:34 am
Some polls suggest that Sanders not attracting moderate votes is not a problem.

Notably, apparently 59% or so of Democratic Texans view Socialism positively. Consider that. Kind of bizarre, and that should track for at least some other places.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/super-tuesday-poll-2020-sanders-biden-california-texas-delegates-battleground-tracker/ for that socialism vs capitalism thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 03, 2020, 12:32:04 am
Give me the update. I’m not seeing bad shit this moment, but I’m so isolated that it’s hard to tell what’s possibly happening to look for more details.

I will not miss Pete or Klobuchar, personally.

It's bad because they are no longer splitting the centrist vote, while Warren and Sanders are still splitting progressives.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 03, 2020, 01:03:04 am
Long story short, I got the finger wave from Jephph that Daddy Navy is watching spouse behavior on the interbutts, and has have asked that we abstain from causing a ruckus or some shit, and I need to vent somewhere not Facespace.

The Berners are screaming that the establishment is doing it on purpose to promote Biden. Warren is "deliberately blocking him", and "not a really real for real progressive" and all that fuckery. I'm watching it all go sideways on my social media feeds and just adjusting to the idea that Trump is going to be dictator for life, the Navy overrides orders, sends us to Guam, Jeff is forward deployed for 3 years and Russia finds his sub.

I'm also bitchy, achy, and have the low-carb crankies right now, so that's the irrational thought du jour.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2020, 02:52:55 am
I'm just a little puzzled by the shock and dismay of the dems being the dems.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 03, 2020, 03:21:11 am
I'm just a little puzzled by the shock and dismay of the dems being the dems.

I figured they'd wait until after tomorrow, at least.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 03, 2020, 01:16:15 pm
I'm kind of amused at the idea that someone who never held office as a Democrat, who lambasted the Democratic party in 2016, and who has publicly stated that he's opposed to the Democratic party infrastructure, is suddenly shocked, shocked that the Democratic party might use politics of all things to have a centrist represent them in the general election.

Seriously, what did he think was going to happen?



Not that I'm happy that Uncle Joe touchy-feeley is going to lose to Trump in the general election, but I mean, if you can't build a coalition in the party you nominally represent, how the hell can you lead the country?

Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on March 03, 2020, 02:15:21 pm
2016 playing out exactly as it did last time, only actor that is different biden instead of clinton
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 03, 2020, 02:39:46 pm
Bingo.  I heard someone quip, "The general election campaign will be taking place in the Senate Intelligence Committee."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 03, 2020, 03:24:20 pm
I'm kinda divided on that point. If the Democrats are so opposed to having Sanders run in the primaries, why let him do so in the first place?

Saves a lot of headaches if you want to exclude someone to just go ahead and actually do it, rather than pretending to accept their presence while undermining them at every turn. It should be expected, but at the same time, if that person is building a constituency among party members (as evidenced by...winning primaries) then you're only causing trouble for yourself by telling a plurality of your own voters "fuck you, we decide what matters".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 03:29:47 pm
I'm kinda divided on that point. If the Democrats are so opposed to having Sanders run in the primaries, why let him do so in the first place?

Saves a lot of headaches if you want to exclude someone to just go ahead and actually do it, rather than pretending to accept their presence while undermining them at every turn. It should be expected, but at the same time, if that person is building a constituency among party members (as evidenced by...winning primaries) then you're only causing trouble for yourself by telling a plurality of your own voters "fuck you, we decide what matters".

This.

Everyone loves the underdog. And the party has made it clear that even if all the 2016 Berner conspiracy theories were just that, it was only because they lacked the necessary vision to make them come true before.

I have seen so many people jump over to supporting Bernie, self included, on account of “they’re outright transparently cheating the dude.” Which is weird. They should have seen that coming.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 03, 2020, 03:46:50 pm
I'm trying to work this out in my head.

If the Sanders camp thinks that Bernie is electable as a progressive because the Democratic party has the progressive votes to win (and as much as I hate to admit it, Warren isn't splitting the progressive vote very much);

Then the centrists falling behind Biden shouldn't be that much of a problem, because Bernie is convinced the majority of Democrats back him.

I don't understand this sense of unfairness when the race comes down to progressive vs centrist, and there are more centrist votes.



I'm not a political expert, but wouldn't it be great if there were a candidate that appealed to both the progressive ideals, and the centrist approach of structured wonkiness with a pinch of incrementalism?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 03, 2020, 04:25:03 pm
I'm trying to work this out in my head.

If the Sanders camp thinks that Bernie is electable as a progressive because the Democratic party has the progressive votes to win (and as much as I hate to admit it, Warren isn't splitting the progressive vote very much);

Then the centrists falling behind Biden shouldn't be that much of a problem, because Bernie is convinced the majority of Democrats back him.

I don't understand this sense of unfairness when the race comes down to progressive vs centrist, and there are more centrist votes.



I'm not a political expert, but wouldn't it be great if there were a candidate that appealed to both the progressive ideals, and the centrist approach of structured wonkiness with a pinch of incrementalism?

There is, but, "She's not electable."  :roll:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 04:40:33 pm
I don’t really know whether Bernie has the ability to win the primary or not. I am fairly sure he’d do better in the general than he would in the primary, but again — winning, I don’t know.

Biden isn’t a threat to him, and even if he was that would be fine by me, in a practical sense. My point is more that if you see someone get cheated out of plain-as-day wins, you tend to feel sympathetic. Things like the Iowa math bullshit, culminating in them acknowledging the math was wrong  and saying they wouldn’t fix it anyway.

If the wins were coming to other people fairly, fine. If they just said “we don’t like you, go find a different party to play in,” okay. Dick move, but I see where it comes together, and I can respect doing it openly.

But instead they fudge the numbers, badly, and when caught they say “yeah but we won’t fix it so fuck you”?

That feels like the con coming out — we need your voting bloc but we can’t have you leading it with all that socialism and shit. That makes us look bad. Say your dumb things to your dumb people to keep them happy Democrats. Smile, nod, die a quiet and ignoble death out of sight, so you don’t startle the dipshits and get them acting up. Don’t run for federal office unless you plan to lose. Whatever you do, don’t dare start winning — that’s how you put these crazy ideas like Scandinavian economic systems in peoples heads, and we can’t have that.


EDIT: Half asleep. Biden WASN’T a threat to him. By now he is, though I can’t say by how much.

Also, I do want to point out: I’m far less upset by Klobuchar and Buttchug giving their delegates to Biden than I was about the shit in Iowa. That’s a valid strategic approach. Now, it does continue a pattern, but a pattern of open fuckery without actively doing math wrong and so forth is acceptable to me. It’s almost honorable in a way, given they started out with their asses in it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 03, 2020, 04:56:59 pm
one thing democrats can't get enough of is losing strategic battles in order to retain the moral highground




please give us ranked choice voting--it would end so much left wing in-fighting
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 03, 2020, 05:11:01 pm
one thing democrats can't get enough of is losing strategic battles in order to retain the moral highground




please give us ranked choice voting--it would end so much left wing in-fighting

See? If I do decide to go ahead and run for office after Jephph retires, I'm going to throw that "moral highground" shit out of the window.

These are my views, if you don't like them, I don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 05:14:48 pm
one thing democrats can't get enough of is losing strategic battles in order to retain the moral highground




please give us ranked choice voting--it would end so much left wing in-fighting

See? If I do decide to go ahead and run for office after Jephph retires, I'm going to throw that "moral highground" shit out of the window.

These are my views, if you don't like them, I don't give a fuck.

If I live wherever you are when you run, you’ll have my vote.

Wait.

You MIGHT have my vote, but that depends on music tastes and food.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 05:29:26 pm
 :lulz: WELL THEN!!!

https://muslimmatters.org/2020/02/27/meet-joe-bidens-muslim-outreach-coordinator-a-supporter-of-narendra-modi-and-his-islamophobic-hindu-nationalist-agenda/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2020, 05:40:36 pm
I'm trying to work this out in my head.

If the Sanders camp thinks that Bernie is electable as a progressive because the Democratic party has the progressive votes to win (and as much as I hate to admit it, Warren isn't splitting the progressive vote very much);

Then the centrists falling behind Biden shouldn't be that much of a problem, because Bernie is convinced the majority of Democrats back him.

I don't understand this sense of unfairness when the race comes down to progressive vs centrist, and there are more centrist votes.



I'm not a political expert, but wouldn't it be great if there were a candidate that appealed to both the progressive ideals, and the centrist approach of structured wonkiness with a pinch of incrementalism?

Not possible, because both factions WANT to fight, because eating your own is easier and safer than going after the GOP.

I shit on everyone involved...Centrist, leftist, Trump voters, everyone is a fucking moron and a failed primate.  Fuck you all.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2020, 05:41:30 pm
:lulz: WELL THEN!!!

https://muslimmatters.org/2020/02/27/meet-joe-bidens-muslim-outreach-coordinator-a-supporter-of-narendra-modi-and-his-islamophobic-hindu-nationalist-agenda/


This must be to get the all-important Gabbard vote.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2020, 05:44:24 pm
AND ANOTHER FUCKING THING:  Just because YOUR vote counts doesn't mean everyone else's don't count.  When your favorite candidate loses a primary, it is most often because that person wasn't the favorite candidate of the majority of voters.

I feel that I should not have to explain this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2020, 06:03:50 pm
I see you driving 'round town
With the republicans and I'm like,
Fuck you!
I guess wanting change in my party
Was a little too much I'm like,
Fuck you!
And fuck Biden too!
Said, if I was richer, I'd still be with ya
Ha, now ain't that some shit? (ain't that some shit?)
And although there's pain in my chest
I still wish you the best with a
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo

Yeah I'm sorry, I can't afford a Ferrari,
But that don't mean I can't vote this year.
I guess Trump's an Xbox and Bernie's more Atari,
And the way they play that game ain't fair.
I pity the fool that goes and votes for you
(Oh shit they're fascists)
Well
(Just thought you should know my dude)
Ooooooh
I've got some news for you
Yeah go run and tell the FBI

I see you driving 'round town
With the republicans and I'm like,
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo
I guess wanting change in my party
Was a little too much I'm like,
Fuck you!
And fuck Bernie too!
Said, if I was richer, I'd still be with ya
Ha, now ain't that some shit? (ain't that some shit?)
And although there's pain in my chest
I still wish you the best with a
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on March 03, 2020, 07:20:37 pm

We'd have to surrender queer culture to assimilate. I'd prefer the salad bowl, side by side, approach to equality. We get to be visibly queer if we want and still full members of society.


I think we are operating under different definitions, here.
Appears so.

Most likely.  I believe in this situation, by 'assimilate' Juana means, "the only acceptable way to present oneself in this society is to adopt the habits, speech patterns, clothing, and social ideology of straight, white, middle-class men and women."

So in order to be considered part of society, the Big Gay Cowboys, the non-binary, the Trans, the leather daddies, the bears, the drag queens, the drag kings, the disco twinks, the butch femmes, etc. all need to start dressing and acting like a banker or Martha Stewart.

I see.  I can see why that would make people's hackles go up.  This in fact would bring on the rage from me.

When I think "assimilation," it's the other way around.  The subgroup's behavior and modes of expression just become normalized within the larger group.
That's not historically how it's worked out, which is why the word, yeah, puts my hackles up.

That's something I can 100% get behind.

The language here isn't very clear.  What terms should we use if the PERSON has to change, and what terms if SOCIETY has to change?
"Assimilation" has historically meant surrendering what made you different in ways that pose a threat (eg, in the US, giving up aspects of an immigrants' culture that made them different from the Protestant Anglo borg). That's not always a total surrender but there's always a lot of onboarding of Anglo Protestant values in particular imo.

Wrt the term for the reverse, it's acculturation as far as I can tell. There's some assimilation bc that's inevitable but the dominant culture makes room for the minority culture.

Is bloomberg out as well, the only thing that scares me more than another four years of trump is four years of a meaner, smarter, richer, competent and more morally corrupt version of him

Nope, not yet.
I don't think he's gonna get anything in the event of a brokered convention. From what I've heard, his campaign folks are p much only hearing why everybody hates him and I think the DNC knows that. All her really seems to be doing is making Biden look like a better option than he is, to me anyway. That said, keeping a weather eye on Bloomberg is probably wise.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on March 03, 2020, 07:29:58 pm
I don’t really know whether Bernie has the ability to win the primary or not. I am fairly sure he’d do better in the general than he would in the primary, but again — winning, I don’t know.

Biden isn’t a threat to him, and even if he was that would be fine by me, in a practical sense. My point is more that if you see someone get cheated out of plain-as-day wins, you tend to feel sympathetic. Things like the Iowa math bullshit, culminating in them acknowledging the math was wrong  and saying they wouldn’t fix it anyway.

If the wins were coming to other people fairly, fine. If they just said “we don’t like you, go find a different party to play in,” okay. Dick move, but I see where it comes together, and I can respect doing it openly.

But instead they fudge the numbers, badly, and when caught they say “yeah but we won’t fix it so fuck you”?

That feels like the con coming out — we need your voting bloc but we can’t have you leading it with all that socialism and shit. That makes us look bad. Say your dumb things to your dumb people to keep them happy Democrats. Smile, nod, die a quiet and ignoble death out of sight, so you don’t startle the dipshits and get them acting up. Don’t run for federal office unless you plan to lose. Whatever you do, don’t dare start winning — that’s how you put these crazy ideas like Scandinavian economic systems in peoples heads, and we can’t have that.


EDIT: Half asleep. Biden WASN’T a threat to him. By now he is, though I can’t say by how much.

Also, I do want to point out: I’m far less upset by Klobuchar and Buttchug giving their delegates to Biden than I was about the shit in Iowa. That’s a valid strategic approach. Now, it does continue a pattern, but a pattern of open fuckery without actively doing math wrong and so forth is acceptable to me. It’s almost honorable in a way, given they started out with their asses in it.
P much how I feel. At the very least, the DNC isn't doing anything to dissuade people that they aren't blatantly cheating Sanders. Tbf, there's gonna be some Berners who are gonna feel that way regardless but if the DNC wants a coalition instead of a riot, they really ought to be running the primaries as cleanly and transparently as possible. SC seemed clean but Iowa wasn't and that's gonna stick out for a while at least. After today, it might fade if all the ST primaries are clean.

I did laugh at how cranky a lot of Berners were after SC tho. I'm leaning towards Sanders atm but like, SC appears to have been clean and it went for Biden. You're not going to get your desired result every time and you can't legitimately throw a fit when democracy doesn't go your way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 07:52:21 pm
Yeah, I was not upset by NV or SC. None of the horror stories of Iowa were coming out of those. They just didn’t go for Bernie (as much as thought, in NV — which was fucking hilarious, Bernie even having a mild, distant chance was a surprise thanks to the big caterer’s union not being so hot on him.)

Berniebros are just not in touch with reality.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 03, 2020, 08:44:55 pm
AND ANOTHER FUCKING THING:  Just because YOUR vote counts doesn't mean everyone else's don't count.  When your favorite candidate loses a primary, it is most often because that person wasn't the favorite candidate of the majority of voters.

I feel that I should not have to explain this.

BUT IT'S A CoNsPiRaCy By ThE eStAbLiShMeNT!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 03, 2020, 08:49:48 pm
I see you driving 'round town
With the republicans and I'm like,
Fuck you!
I guess wanting change in my party
Was a little too much I'm like,
Fuck you!
And fuck Biden too!
Said, if I was richer, I'd still be with ya
Ha, now ain't that some shit? (ain't that some shit?)
And although there's pain in my chest
I still wish you the best with a
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo

Yeah I'm sorry, I can't afford a Ferrari,
But that don't mean I can't vote this year.
I guess Trump's an Xbox and Bernie's more Atari,
And the way they play that game ain't fair.
I pity the fool that goes and votes for you
(Oh shit they're fascists)
Well
(Just thought you should know my dude)
Ooooooh
I've got some news for you
Yeah go run and tell the FBI

I see you driving 'round town
With the republicans and I'm like,
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo
I guess wanting change in my party
Was a little too much I'm like,
Fuck you!
And fuck Bernie too!
Said, if I was richer, I'd still be with ya
Ha, now ain't that some shit? (ain't that some shit?)
And although there's pain in my chest
I still wish you the best with a
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo

Fuck you, Dok. Water just came out of my nose.

Also, bravo.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 03, 2020, 08:51:22 pm
Maybe a candidate shouldn't place all their bets on a voting demographic that has never, ever showed up in any meaningful way.

NPR currently reporting that increased youth turnout is not keeping pace with all increased turnout.
https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200303-super-tuesday/share/youth-vote-not-keeping-pace-55.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2020, 09:27:19 pm

Wrt the term for the reverse, it's acculturation as far as I can tell. There's some assimilation bc that's inevitable but the dominant culture makes room for the minority culture.

Thank you.  This is much more clear now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2020, 09:27:59 pm


Fuck you, Dok. Water just came out of my nose.

Also, bravo.

It expresses my feelings.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 03, 2020, 09:29:56 pm
Those lyrics are ringing bells but I can’t place it. That’s the main reason I haven’t commented on it.

Probably when I figure it out I’m going to be mad as hell.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on March 03, 2020, 10:07:52 pm

Wrt the term for the reverse, it's acculturation as far as I can tell. There's some assimilation bc that's inevitable but the dominant culture makes room for the minority culture.

Thank you.  This is much more clear now.

Glad to help!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 03, 2020, 10:15:48 pm
Friend of mine hit the nail on the head:

Quote
Witnessing the vitriolic attacks between some Warren and some Sanders supporters makes it much easier to understand sectarian violence between fanatics of the same religion.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 03, 2020, 10:37:57 pm
Friend of mine hit the nail on the head:

Quote
Witnessing the vitriolic attacks between some Warren and some Sanders supporters makes it much easier to understand sectarian violence between fanatics of the same religion.

Inb4 the new progressive reformation starts ripping down statehouses instead of churches.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 01:30:26 am
Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 02:18:24 am
Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 03:31:55 am
Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party.

If you think Sanders was gonna win all those Southern states, I have a bridge to sell you. You're lucky people got to the polls with all the fucking disenfranchisement they've been doing down here, so naturally, the people who DID are white, with money, and cars.

I am, however, very disappointed in Massachusetts so far.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 03:40:54 am
Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party.

If you think Sanders was gonna win all those Southern states, I have a bridge to sell you. You're lucky people got to the polls with all the fucking disenfranchisement they've been doing down here, so naturally, the people who DID are white, with money, and cars.

I am, however, very disappointed in Massachusetts so far.

Sure, I knew Sanders was going to have a tough row to hoe, but the best people the DNC could come up with was gibbering Biden and OK Bloomberg? What the hell are they thinking...

And, not for nothing,  if you need to get 5 plus people to dogpile on one guy, that's not exactly  winning.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 04:11:17 am
Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party.

If you think Sanders was gonna win all those Southern states, I have a bridge to sell you. You're lucky people got to the polls with all the fucking disenfranchisement they've been doing down here, so naturally, the people who DID are white, with money, and cars.

I am, however, very disappointed in Massachusetts so far.

Sure, I knew Sanders was going to have a tough row to hoe, but the best people the DNC could come up with was gibbering Biden and OK Bloomberg? What the hell are they thinking...

And, not for nothing,  if you need to get 5 plus people to dogpile on one guy, that's not exactly  winning.

Bloomberg hasn't won spit, I highly doubt that was the DNC's doing, that was just a bored, rich man with a massive ego, and we already have one of those in office.

Look, I'm no fucking fan of Biden, and my vote is going to Warren if she stays in after this, otherwise, it'll go to Bernie, who isn't going to win Florida, either.

The reality of things, as much as I fucking hate to say it, is this: People are afraid. They're afraid of pulling hard in one direction. The GOP had 8 years to work up that level of potential and have the power of ignorance on their side, but the DNC is just far too divided because we AREN'T ignorant, but our ideals are stretched across a spectrum of presumed "left". The US doesn't have a true left wing, and Americans wouldn't be able to know what to do with it if they saw it. We have 4 current living generations who dealt with the Cold War, and had it hammered into their heads that "socialism" is a scary word. This is the fault of nobody but our own nationalistic behavior following World War II and programming that is not easily undone. Both of my parents are smart Democrats who always taught me to grow, and learn, and vote, but even to them, Sanders is too much, because they had McCarthy threatening to fucking jail their parents for being traitors had they thought otherwise. This is still too much in living memory for the old folks for them to understand, and it's the old folks that vote.

Where are all these GenZ that were supposed to be the big change? Doing the exact same fucking thing kids have been doing for the last century since they've come of age to vote: Nothing. Misunderstanding the value of the primary election (been there myself as GenX) and maybe waiting for the general.

The crazy mad progressive swing we all want, isn't going to happen until most of our parents are fucking dead, dude. There are plenty of Democratic Boomers that hate Trump and will Vote Blue No Matter Who, my parents included, but Biden is a safe vote for them, because they lived a fucking life under desks doing duck and cover drills while being told about bread lines. Fuck, even I still had that shit in the 80s.

So before you start howling and yelling about how people are "stupid" and "establishment this and that", remember that there are millions of adults whose variety of experience growing up is what is shaping this vote. There are not enough of us GenXers to matter, and it's clear that once again, Millennials have their fucking thumbs up their asses thinking their student loans are gonna just evaporate if they yell on the internet loud enough.

Fuck me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 04:27:56 am
Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party.

If you think Sanders was gonna win all those Southern states, I have a bridge to sell you. You're lucky people got to the polls with all the fucking disenfranchisement they've been doing down here, so naturally, the people who DID are white, with money, and cars.

I am, however, very disappointed in Massachusetts so far.

Sure, I knew Sanders was going to have a tough row to hoe, but the best people the DNC could come up with was gibbering Biden and OK Bloomberg? What the hell are they thinking...

And, not for nothing,  if you need to get 5 plus people to dogpile on one guy, that's not exactly  winning.

Bloomberg hasn't won spit, I highly doubt that was the DNC's doing, that was just a bored, rich man with a massive ego, and we already have one of those in office.

Look, I'm no fucking fan of Biden, and my vote is going to Warren if she stays in after this, otherwise, it'll go to Bernie, who isn't going to win Florida, either.

The reality of things, as much as I fucking hate to say it, is this: People are afraid. They're afraid of pulling hard in one direction. The GOP had 8 years to work up that level of potential and have the power of ignorance on their side, but the DNC is just far too divided because we AREN'T ignorant, but our ideals are stretched across a spectrum of presumed "left". The US doesn't have a true left wing, and Americans wouldn't be able to know what to do with it if they saw it. We have 4 current living generations who dealt with the Cold War, and had it hammered into their heads that "socialism" is a scary word. This is the fault of nobody but our own nationalistic behavior following World War II and programming that is not easily undone. Both of my parents are smart Democrats who always taught me to grow, and learn, and vote, but even to them, Sanders is too much, because they had McCarthy threatening to fucking jail their parents for being traitors had they thought otherwise. This is still too much in living memory for the old folks for them to understand, and it's the old folks that vote.

Where are all these GenZ that were supposed to be the big change? Doing the exact same fucking thing kids have been doing for the last century since they've come of age to vote: Nothing. Misunderstanding the value of the primary election (been there myself as GenX) and maybe waiting for the general.

The crazy mad progressive swing we all want, isn't going to happen until most of our parents are fucking dead, dude. There are plenty of Democratic Boomers that hate Trump and will Vote Blue No Matter Who, my parents included, but Biden is a safe vote for them, because they lived a fucking life under desks doing duck and cover drills while being told about bread lines. Fuck, even I still had that shit in the 80s.

So before you start howling and yelling about how people are "stupid" and "establishment this and that", remember that there are millions of adults whose variety of experience growing up is what is shaping this vote. There are not enough of us GenXers to matter, and it's clear that once again, Millennials have their fucking thumbs up their asses thinking their student loans are gonna just evaporate if they yell on the internet loud enough.

Fuck me.

Yes. A more eloquent response incoming when i am no longer drunk, but yes
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 04:33:47 am

Yes. A more eloquent response incoming when i am no longer drunk, but yes

I am too sober for this primary season. Fucking ulcers are at it again.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 04:56:07 am

Yes. A more eloquent response incoming when i am no longer drunk, but yes

I am too sober for this primary season. Fucking ulcers are at it again.

I don't usually drink a whole lot but I chose to tonight to stop myself from going through a "refresh tab" feedback loop.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 05:17:40 am
I hate to say this, but it's time for Warren to drop out.  She finished 3rd in her state.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2020, 09:31:56 am
Yeah, as much as I like Warren, this has become a two-horse race very quickly.

Also I'm not so sure that the DNC didn't promote Bloomberg...but as a stalking horse to make Biden the more palatable centrist option. They changed the rules to invite him on the debates specifically, as I recall. And what has Bloomberg's assholishness done? Mostly make Biden look like a kindly old uncle by comparison. It's not like any of the reported stuff is really new...a day's oppo research could have found out most of the things which have been reported since.

So again, much like Sanders, you have to wonder why they allowed him in when they knew it would cause so many problems. It could also be that the contribution itself was a factor...but if they really need the money that badly, their finances are in a worse state than I thought.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on March 04, 2020, 09:42:34 am
Yeah, as much as I like Warren, this has become a two-horse race very quickly.

Also I'm not so sure that the DNC didn't promote Bloomberg...but as a stalking horse to make Biden the more palatable centrist option. They changed the rules to invite him on the debates specifically, as I recall. And what has Bloomberg's assholishness done? Mostly make Biden look like a kindly old uncle by comparison. It's not like any of the reported stuff is really new...a day's oppo research could have found out most of the things which have been reported since.

So again, much like Sanders, you have to wonder why they allowed him in when they knew it would cause so many problems. It could also be that the contribution itself was a factor...but if they really need the money that badly, their finances are in a worse state than I thought.
It worked, I'd take Biden in a heartbeat over bloomberg, but then I'd take Sarah Palin or Trump over bloomberg. But there isn't a hope in hell of Biden or Warren beating trump. Bernie could but I still dont see him winning the primary when the base is divided
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 04, 2020, 12:57:58 pm
In my eminently humble opinion, it all comes down to a basic miscalculation on the part of Sanders and his followers, not that I don't personally appreciate 90% of his platform. He does in fact have a large support base, but he's tapping into systematically disenfranchised voters' frustration, not a coherent or particularly viable constituency. He preaches a lot of policies that are terrifying to the keepers of the status quo, but he insists on using only status-quo-approved methods of rising to power. Sure, he's center-left to the rest of the world, but in America his platform literally is revolutionary - and revolutionary platforms don't get enacted by elections, especially not elections that are wholly owned subsidiaries of the existing power and economic structures.

Of course, I'm not saying Sanders would fare any better if he got on his fundraising channel and told people to start burning things down - he is far from a revolutionary in fact, he's just trying to do things that, in America at least, can only be done on the other side of the kind of meltdown he can't endorse.

As for the DNC, they are as always playing it too safe. They didn't lose in 2016 because of a "divided base", which is a phrase that implies they would have won without all the animosity between Clinton and Sanders. They lost because they steadfastly refuse to stand for anything. They would have lost 2016 just as handily if Sanders had never shown his face, because a message of "let's just everyone calm down and act like adults, and maybe we can just bomb fewer poor brown people into oblivion, and if it isn't too much trouble, maybe we could let fewer Americans die of disease and exposure" doesn't give anyone a reason to get out of bed, let alone go vote. And this is why they are going to lose this year, too. Not because Candidate X or Y sticks around long enough to spoil the field, but because the DNC will see to it that whoever is nominated is in no position to make demands of the status quo. And that won't motivate anyone except accelerationists to hit the bar.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 04, 2020, 01:04:12 pm
Well said.

I felt that Warren was left enough to make a major difference, but she couched it in language to make it more palatable to centrists.

Unfortunately, she was tagged as too progressive for the centrists, and *checks leftist Twitter* as the next Stalin, apparently.

Now, we have a choice between who's going to stay home on election day: The progressives who don't want Biden, or the centrists who don't want Bernie.


It doesn't matter, there won't be enough of either to win the Electoral College.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 01:25:40 pm
The fucking melodrama is real right now.

It's as if a bunch of assholes avoided taking civics in high school or no poli sci in college entirely, and suddenly, just now, found that that polls can be swayed per specific demographics, and are not blanket studies.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 04, 2020, 01:32:18 pm
I'm looking for somebody to blame. Gen Z? Boomers? Big Pharma? The South? Couch owners?



yeah let's go with the last one


voter turnout sucked because of couches, if you own a couch, fuck you and fuck couch culture
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 04, 2020, 01:35:54 pm
This is gonna go over well: I'm hearing a lot of Bernie supporters blame it on "low-information black voters".

Clearly, they'll turn out in large numbers for him now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 01:47:21 pm
I can smell the smoke from the cigars in the back room.

ONLY the dems could fuck this up this badly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 04, 2020, 02:23:27 pm
It's getting real hard for me to see this charade as anything but the crystallization of our political arrangement into an actual imperial-fascist state where the "loyal opposition" is nothing but a cowcatcher for clearing political opposition from the tracks. The DNC isn't "fucking up", it's doing exactly what it's designed to do: defuse progressive political movements no matter where they come from so the Trump (or whoever) Train can boil ahead at full steam. And I don't think Bernie is being railroaded here, I think he's very much part of that mechanism, even if he doesn't realize it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2020, 02:27:57 pm
I would most agree with that assessment, vex.

Though I don't think they're especially in the tank for the Trump Train per se, more that any kind of wealth distribution scares the shit out of them more than Trump does. Which is, you know, exactly the same mistakes the centrist and conservative parties in the Weimar Republic made with the Nazis. They were so scared of the KPD, and to an extent even the SPD, that they were willing to countenance political arrangements with Hitler in order to keep them both locked out.

Which worked out great for Germany, in the long run.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 04, 2020, 02:39:02 pm
I would most agree with that assessment, vex.

Though I don't think they're especially in the tank for the Trump Train per se, more that any kind of wealth distribution scares the shit out of them more than Trump does. Which is, you know, exactly the same mistakes the centrist and conservative parties in the Weimar Republic made with the Nazis. They were so scared of the KPD, and to an extent even the SPD, that they were willing to countenance political arrangements with Hitler in order to keep them both locked out.

Which worked out great for Germany, in the long run.

Germany ultimately got its head out of its ass. But it took ... well, we all know what it took. I'm not sure the same rules apply to America, though. If/when we go full-tilt Nazi, who is going to stop us?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 04, 2020, 02:55:23 pm
yeah that's kinda what I'm feeling at the moment, too

The left wing is ineffective by design. We were DUPED into thinking we can just make a good argument and then rational people will vote for reform

It's like two people in a duel... one side has a gun. The other guy argues that only assholes use guns, so he brought a sword. And then gets shot.



at this stage, I have no idea what effective political activism actually looks like though

just hoping that if Biden pulls this off, he chooses Warren or Sanders as his VP
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2020, 03:04:04 pm
I would most agree with that assessment, vex.

Though I don't think they're especially in the tank for the Trump Train per se, more that any kind of wealth distribution scares the shit out of them more than Trump does. Which is, you know, exactly the same mistakes the centrist and conservative parties in the Weimar Republic made with the Nazis. They were so scared of the KPD, and to an extent even the SPD, that they were willing to countenance political arrangements with Hitler in order to keep them both locked out.

Which worked out great for Germany, in the long run.

Germany ultimately got its head out of its ass. But it took ... well, we all know what it took. I'm not sure the same rules apply to America, though. If/when we go full-tilt Nazi, who is going to stop us?

Well, it's a good thing I like Chinese food and can speak some Cantonese, hey?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 04, 2020, 03:05:47 pm
yeah that's kinda what I'm feeling at the moment, too

The left wing is ineffective by design. We were DUPED into thinking we can just make a good argument and then rational people will vote for reform

It's like two people in a duel... one side has a gun. The other guy argues that only assholes use guns, so he brought a sword. And then gets shot.



at this stage, I have no idea what effective political activism actually looks like though

just hoping that if Biden pulls this off, he chooses Warren or Sanders as his VP
To be honest, I think AOC's fundraising for down-ballot progressives is currently the best thing being offered.  Top-down change isn't going to happen, it's gotta be bottom-up. 

Progressives need to run for city alderman all the way up to Senator.  But that's, you know, work and shit, and you have to learn how to compromise and negotiate and not alienate people.


TL:DR - Move to Finland.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2020, 03:08:19 pm
yeah that's kinda what I'm feeling at the moment, too

The left wing is ineffective by design. We were DUPED into thinking we can just make a good argument and then rational people will vote for reform

It's like two people in a duel... one side has a gun. The other guy argues that only assholes use guns, so he brought a sword. And then gets shot.



at this stage, I have no idea what effective political activism actually looks like though

just hoping that if Biden pulls this off, he chooses Warren or Sanders as his VP

The biggest mistake in Weimar Germany was the KPD and SPD fighting each other.

The KPD was the biggest and most successful Communist Party in Europe at the time...but it was also slavishly in thrall to the Stalinist Comintern, which considered social democrats to be "social fascists", just another variant of fascism designed to keep the People's Revolution from happening.

I'm not saying history repeats itself in every respect, but it sometimes rhymes. Ironically, the "social fascist" claim almost directly mirrors in several key respects the conservative talking points about social democrats being "the real fascists".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 03:44:13 pm
yeah that's kinda what I'm feeling at the moment, too

The left wing is ineffective by design. We were DUPED into thinking we can just make a good argument and then rational people will vote for reform

It's like two people in a duel... one side has a gun. The other guy argues that only assholes use guns, so he brought a sword. And then gets shot.



at this stage, I have no idea what effective political activism actually looks like though

just hoping that if Biden pulls this off, he chooses Warren or Sanders as his VP
To be honest, I think AOC's fundraising for down-ballot progressives is currently the best thing being offered.  Top-down change isn't going to happen, it's gotta be bottom-up. 

Progressives need to run for city alderman all the way up to Senator.  But that's, you know, work and shit, and you have to learn how to compromise and negotiate and not alienate people.


TL:DR - Move to Finland.

Remember the Romans?  Neither do I.  The problem isn't stupid people (well, not JUST stupid people), it's complexity.  The stupid people part comes along when they all believe someone who says they have simple solutions for complex problems.  Then they try to apply those simple solutions, with predictable results.

People don't like being told "no".  And when they are told "no," they blame the experts or the doctors or the DEEP STATE™, and go running off looking for someone to tell them "yes".  Then, sure as hell, they find that person...

...

...And then the democrats decide that they need to compromise with that person.  This shit all started back with Reagan's "Government IS the problem" speech, which more or less turned the democrats into subs, in the same way that the Chicago Bears are subs for the Detroit Lions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 03:47:48 pm
This is gonna go over well: I'm hearing a lot of Bernie supporters blame it on "low-information black voters".

Clearly, they'll turn out in large numbers for him now.

YEP. I just made a massive FB post about this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 03:50:56 pm
This is gonna go over well: I'm hearing a lot of Bernie supporters blame it on "low-information black voters".

Clearly, they'll turn out in large numbers for him now.

YEP. I just made a massive FB post about this.

It is important to remember that the bro set doesn't actually want Bernie Sanders to win, for the same reason incels don't actually want to go on a date.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 04, 2020, 03:51:23 pm
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 03:54:02 pm
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

That's because they are what we Doktors refer to as "pussies."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 03:55:51 pm
Bloomberg just dropped out.

Cue the sad trombones.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 03:57:12 pm

It is important to remember that the bro set doesn't actually want Bernie Sanders to win, for the same reason incels don't actually want to go on a date.

Yep. They want to play the "Oh woe" card. Activism though pity.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 03:59:08 pm
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

That's because they are what we Doktors refer to as "pussies."

This is something that I've put thought into, should I eventually run for legislative office. Ultimately, I think my angle is going to be, "No, I don't give a fuck what you think."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 04, 2020, 04:01:40 pm
Bloomberg just dropped out.

Cue the sad trombones.

           :bankster:
*centrist consolidation intensifies*
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 04, 2020, 04:02:10 pm
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

That's because they are what we Doktors refer to as "pussies."

This is something that I've put thought into, should I eventually run for legislative office. Ultimately, I think my angle is going to be, "No, I don't give a fuck what you think."

Isn't that Bernie's exact strategy, though?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 04, 2020, 04:05:07 pm
One of the few remaining sources of hope I have (not for 2020, as we are as good as done for, this year) is my (probably wrong but it's mine and I love it) theory that the political forces that currently favor Trump do so not because they are intrinsically evil (at least not all of them), but because Trump is one of the few politicians in America who absolutely refuse to play by the rules. Everyone and their dog and their dog's dog knows that the system is hopelessly fucked, so promises to patch it or whatever don't resonate. People want people who will play outside the rules -- even if their actions are destructive or oppressive -- because saying "fuck you" to the system is more important than anything that can possibly done from inside the system.

I say this is a source of hope not because I think burning everything down is the only way out of this mess, but because it would mean that as soon as someone on the left figures out that they, too, can succeed by breaking all the rules and being a flagrant revolutionary, there might be a path to victory for them, too. And Sanders doesn't qualify because for all his bluster at the 1% he still fundamentally believes in and preaches all this "nation of laws" business that obviously isn't a big seller these days.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 04:12:18 pm
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

That's because they are what we Doktors refer to as "pussies."

This is something that I've put thought into, should I eventually run for legislative office. Ultimately, I think my angle is going to be, "No, I don't give a fuck what you think."

Isn't that Bernie's exact strategy, though?

Kinda, only he tried to get people to give fucks. Understanding that there are whole demographics that are going to walk away from what I have to say is part of the process, that, and reminding people that campaign promises are bullshit. Strip it down, tell it like it is. Cry into gallons of cheap wine, rinse, repeat in the morning.

Legislation is also different than Presidential. My angle would have to change exponentially if I went for President, and Jephph has already threatened divorce if I take it too far.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 04:46:52 pm
Bloomberg just dropped out.

Cue the sad trombones.

Warren is expected to drop out this week.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 04:47:52 pm

It is important to remember that the bro set doesn't actually want Bernie Sanders to win, for the same reason incels don't actually want to go on a date.

Yep. They want to play the "Oh woe" card. Activism though pity.

Woker than thou.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 04:48:34 pm
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

That's because they are what we Doktors refer to as "pussies."

This is something that I've put thought into, should I eventually run for legislative office. Ultimately, I think my angle is going to be, "No, I don't give a fuck what you think."

Isn't that Bernie's exact strategy, though?

Bernie is trying to win.  The bernie bros would actually rather lose.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on March 04, 2020, 05:11:25 pm
One of the few remaining sources of hope I have (not for 2020, as we are as good as done for, this year)...
I think that's pretty premature. There's well over half the country to go wrt to primaries and I reckon Sanders and Biden are gonna come out neck and neck, especially if  Sanders solidly wins California. Yesterday was worth about a third of the total delegates, it's true, but that leaves a bit less than two-thirds to go. Biden's definitely going to get a bump out of this but I'm expecting it to be neck and neck, assuming the Sanders camp pulls on its big kid pants. Which, based on what I'm seeing on the groups I'm in, it might.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on March 04, 2020, 05:15:04 pm
My main concern is that it's going to be close enough, if Bernie squeaks a majority, that the DNC will do the brokered convention thing anyway. They definitely will not if the reverse is true. Sanders would need a very solid lead - which he probably won't get - to avoid that. Biden would have to really hang himself by his own petard in a big way for Bernie to make it out with a solid enough majority. He might, bc Biden seems to be kind of falling apart ("running for Senate", anyone?) and now that it's a two horse race, he's going to get absolutely fucking pounded in the debates. Not sure how much of an impact those actually have, but I'll take some hope where I can get it at this point.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Frontside Back on March 04, 2020, 05:32:54 pm


TL:DR - Move to Finland.
We have a neo-nazi government in the barrel for 2023. Bring guns.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 06:31:27 pm
yeah that's kinda what I'm feeling at the moment, too

The left wing is ineffective by design. We were DUPED into thinking we can just make a good argument and then rational people will vote for reform

It's like two people in a duel... one side has a gun. The other guy argues that only assholes use guns, so he brought a sword. And then gets shot.


This, but instead of a sword, the DNC is waving around a floppy wet noodle. Sloppy Joe is going to get torn to pieces in a debate against Drumpf the very second he starts his stumbling gibberish. Drumpf is going to openly mock him, and Drumpfs base will just go rabid.


at this stage, I have no idea what effective political activism actually looks like though

I have been pondering this myself a lot lately. We might need to get some OMF threads going to spitball some ideas.

just hoping that if Biden pulls this off, he chooses Warren or Sanders as his VP

THIS. You'll never get Bernie supporters to jump on any moderate ticket. You can't have 5-plus people dogpile on one dude and then say that you won fair and square, it's gonna be sour grapes all the way down. The only way you get a portion of those people to get out and vote is if they still feel represented in some way. I don't think Warren is the right choice, though; her campaign's sole purpose for the past month or two was to spend super pac money to just split the progressive vote. As far as Bernie bois are concerned, she's signed a pact with the establishment. However, the DNC is using their asshole as an echo chamber and I don't have any faith that they'll start making reasonable strategic decisions now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 07:00:28 pm
There is absolutely no fucking evidence that Warren was in it to split the progressive vote, especially when Bros were dragging he and anybody else who could possibly support her, calling it a "vagina vote" and other such shit. She was doing well early on, but it's not working in her favor. I think after yesterday, it's time for her to drop out.

But, far be it that a competent woman dare propose similar issues to a man, we can't have that. The man must always come out on top, or otherwise she's trying to ruin things.

Story of my fucking life, right there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 07:14:02 pm
There is absolutely no fucking evidence that Warren was in it to split the progressive vote, especially when Bros were dragging he and anybody else who could possibly support her, calling it a "vagina vote" and other such shit. She was doing well early on, but it's not working in her favor. I think after yesterday, it's time for her to drop out.

But, far be it that a competent woman dare propose similar issues to a man, we can't have that. The man must always come out on top, or otherwise she's trying to ruin things.

Story of my fucking life, right there.

Look, I didn't have any problems with Warren up until she backpedaled on the whole super pac thing. I also think the timing is a little suspicious. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 04, 2020, 07:26:28 pm
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You can't have 5-plus people dogpile on one dude and then say that you won fair and square

This is quite literally the primary process. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 04, 2020, 07:33:11 pm
I am more in warren camp, but I gave money to both warren and sanders

the other day, a sanders-supporting friend (distinct from 'bernie bro') was talking to me about that - said she revealed herself as a huge hypocrite by taking Super Pac money

Here's the thing about that.... I don't give a shit. Not one shit! Not even a tiny little M&M sized pip. There are children in cages, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is holding onto life by a fingernail, there are climate change deniers and white supremicists writing gov policy.... I am not getting hung up on trivial shit like being choosy over donors. The real question is, is Liz Warren in anybody's pocket? And I honestly don't think she's suddenly gonna go all libertarian because a few corporations want to throw in with her and she said "fine, I'll take your not-coordinated-with-my-campaign money".

This is that exact thing where Progressives love losing Strategic battles in order to retain the Moral highground. It's bringing a knife to a gun fight.

I think that you can be against Super PACs in principle, but still use them in elections where they are allowed. Because that's how the game is played right now. If you don't take super pac money, you are giving your opponent a huge advantage. Look, Trump has raised $150 million so far, and that doesn't count whatever personal assets he may contribute.

I will merit that Bernie has figured out how to get that cash without a super pac (he's raised $134 million), which is impressive. But it is a rare candidate who can raise super-pac-size money without a super-pac.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 07:49:15 pm
Quote
You can't have 5-plus people dogpile on one dude and then say that you won fair and square

This is quite literally the primary process.

In this case, yeah. Though I would argue that there's a significant difference between 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 and 1 vs. 4.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 07:54:38 pm

Here's the thing about that.... I don't give a shit. Not one shit! Not even a tiny little M&M sized pip. There are children in cages, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is holding onto life by a fingernail, there are climate change deniers and white supremicists writing gov policy.... I am not getting hung up on trivial shit like being choosy over donors. The real question is, is Liz Warren in anybody's pocket? And I honestly don't think she's suddenly gonna go all libertarian because a few corporations want to throw in with her and she said "fine, I'll take your not-coordinated-with-my-campaign money".


Y'know, you're right. No rebuttal, no buts.

The question is at this point, what can we do about this? Sure, voting and participating in the democratic process is something, but I can't help but think that there is more we can do on a kind of clandestine, underground level. I don't feel like we have the time to let bureaucracy run its course to even things out. I say this with no solid ideas, but it is something that is constantly churning  in the back of my mind.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 04, 2020, 07:57:48 pm
Quote
You can't have 5-plus people dogpile on one dude and then say that you won fair and square

This is quite literally the primary process.

In this case, yeah. Though I would argue that there's a significant difference between 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 and 1 vs. 4.
In this case, it just sped up.

It was 100% clear that the first Centrist to get a lot of delegates would be the one to go up against Sanders.  That was Biden.  All the other centrists saw they didn't have a path to the majority, and threw in with Biden.

Whether it was now, or if it was a few weeks from now, it was always going to be Centrist vs Progressive.  If Bernie had tanked in Nevada and Warren was able to get more delegates, the pile on would be against her.

I'm still not seeing what's not fair about this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 08:04:30 pm

This, but instead of a sword, the DNC is waving around a floppy wet noodle. Sloppy Joe is going to get torn to pieces in a debate against Drumpf the very second he starts his stumbling gibberish. Drumpf is going to openly mock him, and Drumpfs base will just go rabid.



Actually, the only good thing about Biden is that he isn't intimidated by anyone, least of all Trump.  There's a reason he was Obama's attack dog for 8 years.

Biden's problem is that his mouth just sort of wanders away without him. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 08:06:07 pm
Quote
You can't have 5-plus people dogpile on one dude and then say that you won fair and square

This is quite literally the primary process.

In this case, yeah. Though I would argue that there's a significant difference between 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 and 1 vs. 4.
In this case, it just sped up.

It was 100% clear that the first Centrist to get a lot of delegates would be the one to go up against Sanders.  That was Biden.  All the other centrists saw they didn't have a path to the majority, and threw in with Biden.

Whether it was now, or if it was a few weeks from now, it was always going to be Centrist vs Progressive.  If Bernie had tanked in Nevada and Warren was able to get more delegates, the pile on would be against her.

I'm still not seeing what's not fair about this.

There is no "fair" in politics.  Just as the dems can't seem to understand that the GOP changed the rules ages ago, the left never seems to process that politics is by definition unfair.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 08:07:28 pm
Here's the thing about that.... I don't give a shit. Not one shit! Not even a tiny little M&M sized pip. There are children in cages, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is holding onto life by a fingernail, there are climate change deniers and white supremicists writing gov policy.... I am not getting hung up on trivial shit like being choosy over donors.

BOOM
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 08:09:13 pm

Here's the thing about that.... I don't give a shit. Not one shit! Not even a tiny little M&M sized pip. There are children in cages, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is holding onto life by a fingernail, there are climate change deniers and white supremicists writing gov policy.... I am not getting hung up on trivial shit like being choosy over donors. The real question is, is Liz Warren in anybody's pocket? And I honestly don't think she's suddenly gonna go all libertarian because a few corporations want to throw in with her and she said "fine, I'll take your not-coordinated-with-my-campaign money".


Y'know, you're right. No rebuttal, no buts.

The question is at this point, what can we do about this? Sure, voting and participating in the democratic process is something, but I can't help but think that there is more we can do on a kind of clandestine, underground level. I don't feel like we have the time to let bureaucracy run its course to even things out. I say this with no solid ideas, but it is something that is constantly churning  in the back of my mind.

I am sure that there would be something that could be done.

But I am focused on getting Trump out of office.  I don't actually give a damn who it is (my favorite has been out of the race for months), just so long as he goes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 08:10:53 pm
Quote
You can't have 5-plus people dogpile on one dude and then say that you won fair and square

This is quite literally the primary process.

In this case, yeah. Though I would argue that there's a significant difference between 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1 and 1 vs. 4.
In this case, it just sped up.

It was 100% clear that the first Centrist to get a lot of delegates would be the one to go up against Sanders.  That was Biden.  All the other centrists saw they didn't have a path to the majority, and threw in with Biden.

Whether it was now, or if it was a few weeks from now, it was always going to be Centrist vs Progressive.  If Bernie had tanked in Nevada and Warren was able to get more delegates, the pile on would be against her.

I'm still not seeing what's not fair about this.

It's not really about fairness. It's about perception, which I know is a kind of an ambiguous weird abstraction, but it's what people are basing decisions on. I don't think (m)any of the candidates thought too critically about how a lot of this was going to be perceived.

Side note: LMNO, I don't want to battle with you. It's clear we have some differing opinions, but I also believe that we have far more in common, and I'd rather spend our time identifying and discussing those areas and and how to make those kinds of changes than spinning our wheels.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 08:12:22 pm

This, but instead of a sword, the DNC is waving around a floppy wet noodle. Sloppy Joe is going to get torn to pieces in a debate against Drumpf the very second he starts his stumbling gibberish. Drumpf is going to openly mock him, and Drumpfs base will just go rabid.



Biden's problem is that his mouth just sort of wanders away without him.

Agreed, but that's the perfect target for Drumpfs low-blow, insult tactics.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 08:13:23 pm

Here's the thing about that.... I don't give a shit. Not one shit! Not even a tiny little M&M sized pip. There are children in cages, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is holding onto life by a fingernail, there are climate change deniers and white supremicists writing gov policy.... I am not getting hung up on trivial shit like being choosy over donors. The real question is, is Liz Warren in anybody's pocket? And I honestly don't think she's suddenly gonna go all libertarian because a few corporations want to throw in with her and she said "fine, I'll take your not-coordinated-with-my-campaign money".


Y'know, you're right. No rebuttal, no buts.

The question is at this point, what can we do about this? Sure, voting and participating in the democratic process is something, but I can't help but think that there is more we can do on a kind of clandestine, underground level. I don't feel like we have the time to let bureaucracy run its course to even things out. I say this with no solid ideas, but it is something that is constantly churning  in the back of my mind.

I am sure that there would be something that could be done.


This is what I'm here to talk about.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 08:14:37 pm
And this is the critical problem with Sanders' campaign.

Quote
“What this campaign I think is increasingly about is, Which side are you on?” Sanders said. “There has never been a campaign in recent history which has taken on the entire political establishment. That is an establishment that is working frantically to try to defeat us.”

https://apnews.com/7e64410893844bcaf438e11b194c35ce

He is framing himself as the opponent of the democratic party (among others, obviously).  The reason he did so well up until now is that he was seen as being an opponent of those other motherfuckers (read: the Trump regime).  But he just took his eye off the ball, or at least gave the impression that he took his eye off the ball.

Now his opponents will use his own words to frame him as attacking the dems as a priority.  This is, in fact, the moment I am sure Biden's people were just waiting for.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 08:17:03 pm

This, but instead of a sword, the DNC is waving around a floppy wet noodle. Sloppy Joe is going to get torn to pieces in a debate against Drumpf the very second he starts his stumbling gibberish. Drumpf is going to openly mock him, and Drumpfs base will just go rabid.



Biden's problem is that his mouth just sort of wanders away without him.

Agreed, but that's the perfect target for Drumpfs low-blow, insult tactics.

Thing is, Biden has always handled that with a smug grin and a definite implied promise of future tragic misunderstandings.  He has never actually paid attention to what people say about him, beyond having a staffer mark that person down on the revenge list.

Biden is like a hot rod car that has no wheels.  He's powerful as hell, but never seems to actually get anywhere.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 08:20:47 pm
This is what I'm here to talk about.

Thing is, you can do some things, even great things, and it won't matter.  The republic failed, and even Sanders' policies would only be a band aid on a bullet wound.

To put it another way, Trump isn't the problem.  He's just a symptom. 63,000,000 Americans  who thought he was a good idea are the problem.

So now you have the voters saying "the contest isn't left vs right, it's establishment against anti-establishment."  People now view "political outsiders" as "Trump," even though Sanders is literally as far away from Trump as you are ever likely to get.

I don't like this any more than you do, but that's the way it is. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on March 04, 2020, 08:35:09 pm
The question is at this point, what can we do about this? Sure, voting and participating in the democratic process is something, but I can't help but think that there is more we can do on a kind of clandestine, underground level. I don't feel like we have the time to let bureaucracy run its course to even things out. I say this with no solid ideas, but it is something that is constantly churning  in the back of my mind.
Figure out who the current successor to Cambridge Analytica is, and hire them.

It won't be cheap, and redirecting the culture of an entire country is going to take a long time, if it's possible at all.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2020, 08:54:33 pm
Cambridge Analytica aren't going to work for a movement that threatens their own profit margins.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 09:22:17 pm
Everything Cramulus said.

1: We don't have time to play fair, lives and SCOTUS seats are literally at stake, here.
2: We don't have time to overhaul the "establishment". That can be done once someone less of a shitburger is in office. You're talking years of grassroots work, something that the now-now-now generation of Amazon Prime doesn't understand, or want.
3: Holy fuck, this is one amazing distraction to get us all disenfranchised about flipping the Senate.

The problem is BernieBros and such is exactly this. They want immediate change, knowing damn well it isn't going to happen, and then act all woke and sanctimonious when it doesn't fucking happen, blaming everything but themselves or other, more reasoned factors for failure.

The DNC did not launch all of these candidates against Sanders. Pretty sure that a lot of them were talking about runs 2 goddamn years ago, including Biden and Bloomberg for that matter. That's plenty of time to prepare. Maybe once, just fucking once, you'd think they could think critically and not defer everything to a conspiracy theory as an excuse of not getting what they want like a spoiled toddler? We already have one of those in charge.

Also, Bernie is not, currently failing. Most of the states haven't even primaried yet, and this level of whining over heavily corrupted and disenfranchised southern states picking Biden shows a cognitive dissonance beyond words.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 04, 2020, 09:33:46 pm
As for meaningful political participation -- I still believe what was said over at Chaos Marxism ---

as an individual, we are too small to meaningfully affect the Big Picture (unless you're the individual leading a crowd)

So the best we can do is find a GROUP that we think could and should change the world, and help push


To that end, I think it's also useful 'political activism' to help steer (in the small way we can) the party away from eating itself. In the next few weeks, we're going to need the alchemy of coalition and learning to be in the tent together. Like, I am already seeing people online say "I will never vote for Biden, full stop". I don't think this is really the moment to work on those people, but I do think it's helpful to point out that RBG isn't gonna make it another 4 years. We either come together (for a change) or we get used to having cheeto-stained hands.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 04, 2020, 09:55:39 pm
I feel like I might not have been clear where I stand on all of this.

Biden is a fucking low blow to have as the nominee. If Chicago gives me the chance to vote in time for the general, he’s got it, but you couldn’t give me someone who wasn’t having his brains ooze out live on TeeVee? Fuck me.

But I wasn’t like all in for Bernie. Warren wasn’t bad aside from a couple really dumb strategic missteps. Steyer, of all people, was not even that bad. The only ones who could have completely made me say no are Gabbard and Bloomberg, and after Bernie’s dipshits undermined the fuck out of Bloomberg, I knew I didn’t need to worry about either of them short of a brokered convention. And I can’t see even the Dems shooting themselves in the foot that badly.

And furthermore, the conspiracy theories he apparently has bought into are something I avoided precisely because I wasn’t all in for him. Only Iowa was an unarguable fucking disaster that never had to happen that way, everything else was expected politics, “working” as our clanky 18th century political machinery can be expected to do in the era of Go Fast And Burn Your House Down.

I have seen a lot of the actually left wing people doing the whole “Bernie or fuck you” thing, so I hope Biden brings the man on for a VP for the votes alone. Either way, I hope these ass gremlins don’t fucking ruin this for everyone. If Trump gets four more years I don’t know if we’ll see him leave before he dies.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2020, 10:04:31 pm

I have seen a lot of the actually left wing people doing the whole “Bernie or fuck you” thing, so I hope Biden brings the man on for a VP for the votes alone. Either way, I hope these ass gremlins don’t fucking ruin this for everyone. If Trump gets four more years I don’t know if we’ll see him leave before he dies.

If Biden picked Sanders as his VP, the berners would literally shit.  Right there on the floor.  It would be like God getting a shaving cut, to steal a very old trope.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 04, 2020, 10:06:27 pm
I’d pay to see it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 10:27:10 pm
As for meaningful political participation -- I still believe what was said over at Chaos Marxism ---

as an individual, we are too small to meaningfully affect the Big Picture (unless you're the individual leading a crowd)

So the best we can do is find a GROUP that we think could and should change the world, and help push


To that end, I think it's also useful 'political activism' to help steer (in the small way we can) the party away from eating itself. In the next few weeks, we're going to need the alchemy of coalition and learning to be in the tent together. Like, I am already seeing people online say "I will never vote for Biden, full stop". I don't think this is really the moment to work on those people, but I do think it's helpful to point out that RBG isn't gonna make it another 4 years. We either come together (for a change) or we get used to having cheeto-stained hands.

I've actually started using RBG as a lever in the same manner. Checks and balances are a thing, we need to use them in our favor.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2020, 10:28:32 pm
As an aside, did you see Jill Biden linebacker the fuck out of those PETA terrorists at the rally last night? I'm 100% here for Jill fucking shit up.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 05, 2020, 02:21:49 am
Protip: every political campaign runs "ride to the polls" efforts. You don't have to vote sober.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 05, 2020, 04:53:54 pm
Warren is out. *sigh*

Yeah, I knew it was coming, but GODDAMMIT AMERICA.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 05, 2020, 05:14:13 pm
Warren is out. *sigh*

Yeah, I knew it was coming, but GODDAMMIT AMERICA.

Well, my mail in ballot died before it arrived.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 05, 2020, 05:33:33 pm
The Bernie Bro’s TOLD YOU DOK!!! They INFORMED YOU!!!!! Now look! You wasted your vote!!!! It’s all garbage and poop!!!! What have you done!!!!!! YOU will be the reason Trump gets re-elected!!!!!







 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 05, 2020, 05:57:50 pm
The Bernie Bro’s TOLD YOU DOK!!! They INFORMED YOU!!!!! Now look! You wasted your vote!!!! It’s all garbage and poop!!!! What have you done!!!!!! YOU will be the reason Trump gets re-elected!!!!!

I am as bad as those "low-information black voters" the bros talk about.  :cry:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Juana on March 05, 2020, 06:47:15 pm
Looks like they'll come out of Super Tuesday about neck and neck. California's delegates still haven't been allotted but Sanders looks like he's coming out of this with 135 of them. Still hoping this is recoverable, if the Sanders camp stops being dicks.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 06, 2020, 02:50:43 pm
The Root just dragged the BernieBros who were on about "low information black voters" to the dry cleaners.

https://www.theroot.com/an-open-letter-to-white-liberals-blaming-low-informatio-1842100419?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=_facebook&fbclid=IwAR2LggjtCVD6Ft9xBkvY30njZ_EJJACSyww8eHhOsIhW-Pi-dL8T8jCVVPE
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 06, 2020, 03:27:29 pm
Am I right in thinking that responding to the twitter attacks at Warren from Sanders supporters by saying, "what about the nazi flag at Bernie's rally" is a categorical error?

Of COURSE it's unacceptable to fly a nazi flag at his rally.  But it wasn't done by a Warren supporter, and it doesn't absolve anyone else's behavior.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 06, 2020, 05:05:00 pm
Am I right in thinking that responding to the twitter attacks at Warren from Sanders supporters by saying, "what about the nazi flag at Bernie's rally" is a categorical error?

Of COURSE it's unacceptable to fly a nazi flag at his rally.  But it wasn't done by a Warren supporter, and it doesn't absolve anyone else's behavior.

It's totally not even related and not worth injecting into an argument between Sanders-Warren, it's a scapegoat to stop dealing with actual issues at hand. Bernie supporters need to be reaching out to Warren supporters with open arms, and they are not.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 06, 2020, 05:56:36 pm
At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 06, 2020, 06:07:18 pm
If you want to know about the Neo-Nazi in question, there's a decent thread here https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1235988697851387906
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on March 06, 2020, 06:40:47 pm
At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?
Biden is impossible, he may even do worse then clinton. Bernie is improbable but possible, a lot of trump's anti establishment soft supporters would agree with a lot of what bernie is saying. That said Id put his chances as remote.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 06, 2020, 06:50:26 pm
obviously no democrat is going to defeat trump as long as they keep blaming the candidates for the ways their crackpot supporters behave.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 06, 2020, 07:01:49 pm
Yeah.

But it's really hard when you see them behave like the alt-right online towards one of their own.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 06, 2020, 07:30:03 pm
That's true, but I'm not sure where to point my finger about that. Americans are trained to hate and to feel superior, and to blame somebody for everything that bugs them. You're definitely going to encounter short-sighted ignorant bigoted pieces of shit under just about any rock. Hate and ignorance are like the background radiation of the USA. That doesn't excuse it, but if you're holding your support out for the candidate whose camp is comprised entirely of saints, you're going to be holding it out a long time. Bernie Bros (of which this particular Nazi at this particular crowd may or may not be one) engage in despicable behavior, but Bernie or Bust accelerationism isn't really that much more destructive than sneering at the children and threatening to withhold your own vote until they grow up or leave the room. If you genuinely disagree with Sanders on the issues and have no intention of voting for him at all, then that's one thing. But if you'd be cool with casting your vote for him but only when his supporters get in whatever line you've drawn out for them, that's different. And making that a great big bone of contention in the meantime only adds fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 06, 2020, 07:43:22 pm
I already voted in the primary, and I'm gonna vote in the general.

I guess I'm saying that when it gets to the general, I don't see a lot of centrists going to the polls for Bernie, and I don't see a lot of leftists go to the polls for Biden.  Not that they'd vote for Trump, but beating the electoral college will take a massive Democratic plurality (more than +3,000,000) to win it.

But the bad blood (perceived or real) is gonna suppress at least one side of the Democratic party's votes due to each side's asshats.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 06, 2020, 09:25:38 pm
LMNO, get behind the Markey campaign. There's also Progressive Mass which is trying (albeit feebly) to unseat the entrenched assholes on Beacon Hill. It's less sexy than the Federal shit, but we desperately need to clean house.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2020, 12:23:31 am
At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?

I would say that would be at the point where we have a crystal ball or a time machine.

There is literally no way to tell.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on March 07, 2020, 01:07:50 am
At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?

I would say that would be at the point where we have a crystal ball or a time machine.

There is literally no way to tell.
It seemed unthinkable that Trump was going to win the last election, and then he did.  Surprises happen in politics.

Even if it seems unlikely that he'll lose the next one, a lot can happen in eight months.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Suu on March 07, 2020, 01:28:05 am
At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?

I've been continuously mentioning it, but everybody is too busy howling in "I didn't pay attention in high school civics".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 07, 2020, 03:43:05 pm
LMNO, get behind the Markey campaign. There's also Progressive Mass which is trying (albeit feebly) to unseat the entrenched assholes on Beacon Hill. It's less sexy than the Federal shit, but we desperately need to clean house.

Thanks, QG. I’ll direct my energies there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 09, 2020, 04:20:03 pm
As God is my witness, I did not alter this.

https://apnews.com/8ced60306a04eef53418f2ce6f262115

Quote
Veteran Michigan pollster Bernie Porn said the president remains unpopular with independents and Republican women, especially in the suburbs — though he said Trump’s standing has recovered some in the wake of impeachment.

“I think Trump is in trouble,” Porn said.

When Porn turns against you, you're doomed.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 09, 2020, 04:37:01 pm
I just winced on behalf of his entire childhood.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 10, 2020, 04:11:13 am
I just winced on behalf of his entire childhood.

Yeah, but then one magical day, you turn 21 and level up dramatically with the shit-talking skill maxed out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Pergamos on March 10, 2020, 07:25:22 am
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

Personally I would love to see some Democrats who admit and understand that government is the problem.  Cutting the military would be lovely, eliminating the prison industrial complex, ending the drug war, opening the borders.  I'm sure there are more bad things the government is doing.  Unfortunately Republicans only seem to be interested in attacking the good things government does, while Democrats very weakly defend those parts.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 10, 2020, 07:27:27 am
The Dems sure like to attack those same parts, they just want the Republicans to use more polite language about it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Faust on March 10, 2020, 09:23:04 am
What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

Personally I would love to see some Democrats who admit and understand that government is the problem.  Cutting the military would be lovely, eliminating the prison industrial complex, ending the drug war, opening the borders.  I'm sure there are more bad things the government is doing.  Unfortunately Republicans only seem to be interested in attacking the good things government does, while Democrats very weakly defend those parts.

They have a vested interest in keeping everything you described. You wont get reform from government, and they couldn't even attempt it unless the rigged system was removed
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: altered on March 11, 2020, 10:25:21 am
i don’t know why there’s this theory going around that Biden is going to pick a Republican VP.

The Democratic Party is going to go down in a sea of its own rancid diarrhea if he does. I can’t imagine any single move that would more universally destroy support for the Dems.

And while I can witness this shit that’s happened so far, and say “yeah okay this is in keeping with the Dems,” I can’t imagine them cutting their own limbs off and injecting themselves full of bleach.

I guess what I’m saying is: Who’s piloting this plane? Please don’t let it be Joe Biden.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 11, 2020, 02:15:08 pm
This is a good time to practice that "form a coalition" thing that we progressives frankly suck at


if Trump wins, gonna be a lot of finger pointing within the left wing

my finger will be pointing at the people who made it harder for Biden to win by framing him as the ENEMY, equivalent to Trump. The people who are basically spitting out the right-wing talking points about Biden.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 11, 2020, 02:28:53 pm
i don’t know why there’s this theory going around that Biden is going to pick a Republican VP.

He previously said he would be open to picking one.

FWIW, I absolutely don't believe that he would, even for a second. But it sends the right kind of signals to another kind of crowd, the Republican surbanites put off by Trump. "Ah, he's reasonable, he can reach across the aisle, he's a moderate." I don't believe that sentence was uttered without at least three different focus groups and a high-powered Manhattan PR firm being involved, because that's how politics is done.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 11, 2020, 03:26:22 pm
This is a good time to practice that "form a coalition" thing that we progressives frankly suck at


if Trump wins, gonna be a lot of finger pointing within the left wing

my finger will be pointing at the people who made it harder for Biden to win by framing him as the ENEMY, equivalent to Trump. The people who are basically spitting out the right-wing talking points about Biden.

If Trump wins due to left butthurt, then fuck the left, I give up, and good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 11, 2020, 03:26:55 pm
i don’t know why there’s this theory going around that Biden is going to pick a Republican VP.

He previously said he would be open to picking one.

FWIW, I absolutely don't believe that he would, even for a second. But it sends the right kind of signals to another kind of crowd, the Republican surbanites put off by Trump. "Ah, he's reasonable, he can reach across the aisle, he's a moderate." I don't believe that sentence was uttered without at least three different focus groups and a high-powered Manhattan PR firm being involved, because that's how politics is done.

I also believe the "You're full of shit" thing was staged.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 11, 2020, 03:53:04 pm
Could be. I honestly didn't even bother to watch the video because it seemed like such a non-event, but given the way the chattering classes are lapping the whole thing up, it's obviously red meat for some of them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on March 11, 2020, 05:52:48 pm
i don’t know why there’s this theory going around that Biden is going to pick a Republican VP.

He previously said he would be open to picking one.

FWIW, I absolutely don't believe that he would, even for a second. But it sends the right kind of signals to another kind of crowd, the Republican surbanites put off by Trump. "Ah, he's reasonable, he can reach across the aisle, he's a moderate." I don't believe that sentence was uttered without at least three different focus groups and a high-powered Manhattan PR firm being involved, because that's how politics is done.

I also believe the "You're full of shit" thing was staged.

re: "you're full of shit"

I saw a random friend-of-a-friend (so take this with a bigass grain of salt) commenting on it - said they worked in a foundry and that kind of language is "how we talk" -- that Biden probably came off real well to the audience present

:shrug:

I'd like to believe it
Title: Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 11, 2020, 07:05:02 pm
i don’t know why there’s this theory going around that Biden is going to pick a Republican VP.

He previously said he would be open to picking one.

FWIW, I absolutely don't believe that he would, even for a second. But it sends the right kind of signals to another kind of crowd, the Republican surbanites put off by Trump. "Ah, he's reasonable, he can reach across the aisle, he's a moderate." I don't believe that sentence was uttered without at least three different focus groups and a high-powered Manhattan PR firm being involved, because that's how politics is done.

I also believe the "You're full of shit" thing was staged.

re: "you're full of shit"

I saw a random friend-of-a-friend (so take this with a bigass grain of salt) commenting on it - said they worked in a foundry and that kind of language is "how we talk" -- that Biden probably came off real well to the audience present

:shrug:

I'd like to believe it

I started in the trades, and I am still around that environment, and dude is correct.