Quote from: Pergamos on July 13, 2019, 09:06:58 PMQuote from: Norman on July 12, 2019, 08:31:15 PMQuote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 12, 2019, 07:19:48 PMQuote from: Norman on July 12, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
At the same time, Congress is a numbers game. Which I think, like her or don't like her, is ultimately where Pelosi is coming from. The Dems in the House can do shit if they are in the minority. With a majority, they may not be able to do what the liberal wing of the party wants done, but they can do more than zero.
I think that is where the rub is. Pelosi and establishment want to move the ball to see if they can smash their way to a first down, AOC et al want to get a touch down on first possession.
Of course the reality is with an R Senate and White House, it's not like there's too much the D's can accomplish, but whatever possibilities there might be, it certainly isn't going to be with a red-meat liberal initiative.
So in other words, we have to accept a moderate centrist agenda to achieve the agenda we need a buck short and a day late.
Yes, because like it or not, the American electorate is, at best, center-left. AOC will get re-elected in her District all day long. Meanwhile, in Maine's northern district, we have center-Left Jared Golden. Now, he's not a Pelosi fan, he voted against her speakership in fact, but overall, much more moderate than AOC. You will never, get someone like AOC elected in that district. Golden won his election by miniscule numbers, he was lucky. It's a center-right district.
That's what you have to contend with. To have more progressive/liberals, you have to have massive changes in the electorates in those regions, or catch lightning in a bottle and nominate someone who can win over right-leaning districts with personality to distract from their policy positions. You might get lucky and do that in a few districts, but not on a scale to significantly tip the House to the progressive left.
So given that reality, those numbers, is it best to get something or nothing? That's where Pelosi is coming from. And she's right. Because the math is the math.
It's important to look at the popularity of policy in places like that. A lot of what AOC supports that Pelosi doesn't is directly beneficial to the working class and a lot of those center right, or even full right wing, working class voters support them. A progressive has a better chance than a centrist in plenty of conservative districts.
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