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Move to Nevada, become a man-whore.

Hey, if I knew a good option, I wouldn't be unemployed right now.

This has never been bumped. That makes me sad.

The Terrible Things ™ kind of freak me out, and the Terrible Truth™ as well, but I'll stick around. I don't think it can be that terrible, can it? With a roof on the pool, and a basement filled with hidden goodies, things have to be pretty good. If being a "Real" Discordian is about preaching to the choir then count me out, I came here for the love.

Isn't Terrible Truth™ what we named the thing that crawled out of Dok Howl's ass?

I'm sorry to hear that. I understand that my comment may have been taken as abrasive and insensitive, and honestly I didn't think about the ramifications of such. I apologize for the brazenness that which I announced sleep-deprived rantings. I didn't mean to insinuate that there are no cases in which such programs are necessary. In fact, I feel that such programs should be available and privately commercial, but perhaps not be mandatory to pay into: i.e. insurance.

You think? Do you think that I'd be pissed off because you just said that I deserve to starve underneath a bridge? The apology isn't accepted, you don't get one just because you ask for it. Earn it, fuckhead.

Oh, and just so we're clear, the private insurance thing, not ever going to be an equivalent alternative. Just like how our private health care system sucks in comparison to universal health care programs. Speaking of, it's another thing I don't have due to the unemployment. My health care plan is "don't get sick." But, better to have somebody who is educated die from something easy to prevent than to consider that maybe, just maybe we live in a society and that you have responsibilities to that society. I want to get a job, I hate being on welfare. I want to pay taxes again, knowing that it goes towards NiceThings™ like highways and public schools and social security. We're social animals, libertarians need to get that through their fucking skulls.

Because I've been lazy.

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What part of STOP SPENDING do you NOT UNDERSTAND???? WE the PEOPLE said NO!! STOP SPENDING. STOP BAILOUTS!! Yet you "snuck" through another 200 BILLION DOLLARS in BAILOUTS!!!!!

How SLow of learners, are you, anyhow??????

Just tell me, what part of STOP SPENDING and borrowing our beloved nation into dissolution..... do you NOT UNDERSTAND??????

Throw MONEY at a PROBLEM......... N E V E R ever, EVER, helped to SOLVE a PROBLEM. It just CREATED BIGGER ONES!!!!!!

It's just like "bailing your kid out of his self-created credit card debt. It NEVER, EVER,EVER works!!!! Just "kicks the bucket down the road a bit further". ...... and UNTIL your KID accepts FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the MESS HE/SHE CREATED....... nothing will EVER, EVER be learned.
SAME WITH WASHINGTON, D.C., and with whomever!!!!!

BAILOUTS are NOT the AMERICAN WAY of doing things.
The AMERICA WAY, is to step up and be INDIVIDUALLY RESPONSIBLE for each and every CHOICE that you make!!!!! DEAL WITH IT.

DON't make or ASSUME someone ELSE is responsible for your mistakes!!
Doesn't work that way!!! WISE UP.

How on EARTH could you elected representatives be INVOLVED in CREATING BIGGER and BIGGER and BIGGER.... FINANCIAL DEFICITS??????

Maybe IF, for just ONCE, you considered the MONEY you are spending as your own, maybe, you'd be more reluctant to SPEND IT. But, since it's MY MONEY, MY TAX dollars, you just keep SPENDING, SPENDING, and BORROWING MORE.

Why have you BORROWED from COMMUNIST CHINA???
Was it your plan from the beginning?????
TO ENSLAVE all YET UNBORN AMERICANS, and all of us???
Making us SLAVES to the Chinese?
SLAVES until the debt, DEFICIT is repayed???????

Any AMERICAN, of the streets, have more COMMON SENSE than the whole DAMN BUNCH of you so called "representatives".

You have NOT been representing your CONSTITUENCY, and you KNOW THAT!!!!

Every last one of you that have voted for all these BAILOUTS, STIMULUS, OMNIBUS, BAILOUTS, and more BAILOUTS, HEALTHCARE, out to be TRIED for TREASON!!!!!

Why? Because you've SPENT monies and BAILED out folks and companies that SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BAILED out.

It's NOT in our United STATES CONSTITUTION.~!!!!!!!!!!
You USURPTED powers that were NOT YOURS!!!!!
You acted like "LITTLE DICTATORS" doing whatever you felt like doing.
YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY!!!

READ the CONSTITUTION and the POWERS of CONGRESS.
If the POWER is not specifically given to CONGRESS, it REMAINS with the STATES or with the PEOPLE!!!!! READ!!!

YOU are GUILTY of doing things that are NOT within your REALM of AUTHORTY. USURPTING POWERS that ARE not given to you in the United States CONSTITUTION!!!!!

You folks with DEAF EARS, and NO COMMON SENSE, are going to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the THINGS you have done!!!

AMERICA and AMERICANS WILL SURVIVE, both with NO THANKS TO anything you've done, but INSPITE OF YOU!!!!!!!

The BIG TSUNAMI has not hit yet!!!!

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What I find interesting is how, whenever I hear DnD players talk about playing DnD, they seem to have this unspoken assumption that once 4th ed came out, they weren't allowed (somehow) to play 3.5,

Is that normal?

Well, with a different tabletop game, Warhammer 40k, that's kind of how it is when there's a new edition or army codex released. Because, you know, newer is always better.

That sounds like an awesome good time (coming from the guy in a poly relationship with a married transsexual couple).

Ah, I must've misread the Denmark thing, I thought you were Danish for a moment. I'm kinda along the same lines as you are as far as voting age. I'm just remembering when I was 16 or so. I would have cheerfully voted but I don't think that my politics were fully formed (certainly not fully informed) at that time.

Nah, not Danish, but have looked at the place as a possibility for expatriation. Doesn't hurt that I have a few friends from the country.

Don't know if it's not viable, just not viable here yet. People are still very wary of things on that list, though a lot of it just seems very reactionary. And McCain opened up Pandora's Box in a poorly thought attempt intrying to win over a perceived swath of angry Hillary supporters. That's just my opinion though.

From what I can tell, the platform is viable, mostly because the Scandinavian countries follow that mindset (or something similar) and they have a very high standard of living. I should have clarified to mean that I didn't think it was a viable option in the US.

Most of the so-called Libertarians though, fail to provide any evidence that they can take on the responsibility if the government relinquishes it.

The problem is that they can't take on the responsibility, the problem is that it would require everybody to take on the responsibility. Unless you can create a society where your actions don't affect other people and where their actions don't affect you, there has to be some sort of social order.

Anything left of the Democrats is considered socialism here. Depending on who you ask these days anything left of Republicans is socialism here. The word is used like a boogie man. Socialism is thrown around here in such a vague way that it doesn't really mean anything other than, "we can't have this 'radical' try to provide us with health-care" But the things you list here would be considered part of a socialist platform. Out of curiousity, what do they recommend lowering the voting age to? It's 18 in the US.

Edit: Realizing though, that Ratatosk isn't using the word in the vague sort of fnord way.

Heh, I'm from "here," I know this is way too far left to be viable (hell, it's is a form of socialism). I'm not exactly sure what age is considered good enough for voting rights. I'm actually okay with 18, mostly because it means there's a good chance the voters are high school graduates. I do know that the voting age in the US wasn't always 18, but I don't think I could support a voting age of 21.

And Rat, it does sound like I read too much into it, and that chart is, at the least, a different way of thinking about things. But, I'm not sure if works because there's no interdependence model. Well, maybe friendly strength could be interpreted that way, I'm not sure.

Socialism could be accomplished without the sacrifice of rights and freedoms, but only with a government that works from the service paradigm.

That sounds a bit like social democracy, at least, to me. I could be reading things into it that aren't there.

In general, contemporary social democrats support:

    * A mixed economy consisting of both private enterprise and publicly owned or subsidized programs of education, universal health care, child care and related social services for all citizens.
    * An extensive system of social security (although usually not to the extent advocated by socialists), with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, unemployment or retirement.
    * Government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the interests of workers and consumers by ensuring labor rights (i.e. supporting worker access to trade unions), consumer protections, and fair market competition.
    * Environmentalism and environmental protection laws; for example, funding for alternative energy resources and laws designed to combat global warming.
    * A value-added/progressive taxation system to fund government expenditures.
    * A secular and a socially progressive policy.
    * Immigration and multiculturalism.
    * Youth rights and lowering the voting age.
    * Fair trade over free trade.
    * A foreign policy supporting the promotion of democracy, the protection of human rights and where possible, effective multilateralism.
    * Advocacy of social justice, human rights, social rights, civil rights and civil liberties.

-Stronger multi-party system. The Democrat-Republican thing isn't enough, and it seems like the average person will pick their party depending on how they feel about abortion, guns, and occasionally the death penalty. People need to see that there is a wider spectrum and its not just a this-or-that sort of thing. I'm not a Democrat but I'll generally vote for one over a Republican if I only have two choices, since they are closer (but not by much) to my politics. Anyway, there are sub-parties in both the Democratic and Republican Parties. Politics shouldn't be dumbed down. If you dumb down shit, people will get used to dumbed down shit and not think about it.

This is why I like how Denmark does it.

For their parliament, the citizens vote for a candidate depending on their constituency, but not all seats are selected this way. Of the 179 seats, there is only direct representation for 139 of them. The remaining 40 are selected according to the proportion of the vote that went to the various parties (as long as the party got a minimum of 2% of the vote). So, like, if we're going to use our system, if the green party got 10% of the national vote, but no seats, they get 18 of those seats. The reason I like this is it makes it so that parties other than the big two matter and minorities that normally get no say in things have at least some representation, not lesser of two evils, actual representation.

There was no racism involved, I assure you. Ethnicity wasn't even in my thoughts, in fact, I thought I was describing typical "White Trash." Perhaps you should look at whatever prejudices made you jump to that conclusion, hmm?

And my ass is full of other things I'm crammed there. Like witty sayings, poop, and occasionally remotes after I got really annoyed at World of Warcraft.

Incidentally, I do also care about my fellow human beings. I just don't think that giving people money for doing nothing encourages people to acquire and hold down jobs.

- DeadLucky

Yeah, fuck off.

I'm a college graduate who has been looking for work in the past year, living with the girlfriend in Minnesota who is on disability. We eat only because I got on food stamps. Is her completely unpredictable sleep cycle is a result of her being lazy? As in, one day she could be asleep from 10p to 8a the next it could be from 4a to 4p. Kind of hard to keep a job when you can't schedule anything. Or, wait, I'm the lazy one, right? Despite applying for jobs every day, despite looking for jobs outside of my field and looking for local, part time work. Right? You just said that I should roll over and die. You just said that she should roll over and die.

Oh, by the way, that whole thing with social security, do you know the average amount of time somebody is on disability? 5 years. That's it, then they go back to work. Unless you're also trying to say that retirees should also go back to work or starve? You do know history, right? You do realize that's a big part of why it was implemented, right? It was because the elderly were unable to work anymore, but without any means of income, they died horrible deaths. Social security prevents this from happening.

Christ, I heard enough about death panels during the health care debate, but, seriously, it's the attitude like this that actually did sentence grandma to death.

Oh, and before I forget, the whole "Sue anyone who you possibly can" thing needs to go away. Fuck that. Suck it up. Its just a little bit of coffee in your lap, of course the fucking coffee is hot. You're obviously just greedy and lazy, and therefore looking for any excuse to make your problems someone elses' and capitalize on it.

Actually, that case was a pretty good example of when you're supposed to sue.

"Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin as she sat in the puddle of hot liquid for over 90 seconds, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin. Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent. She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her down to 83 pounds. Two years of medical treatment followed."

Frivolous lawsuits may exist, but that ain't one of them.

A really determined suicider is going to climb a fence.

Interestingly, it's been shown that even putting up an easily climable fence lowers the amount of suicides pretty dramatically.

They have to put more effort into it, they have to be even more sure that they want to kill themselves.