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I grew up on a farm, kid, and you don't harvest by the calendar, nor by esoteric knowledge, grudgingly granted by the clerical class.

Okay old feeble-minded geezer, maybe you're just bitter because you grew up dirt poor on some struggling rural farm with parents who had nothing and no real education or modern thinking. They got handed chemicals, equipment, and easy calendars later with zero actual threat of famine or invasion like real history had.

So now you sit there with your simpleton logic acting like ancient people were exactly like you?
They didn't even have calendars without the churches and the literate class running the town centers. Your whole "I just checked the field" story only works when you're in a safe modern society, not starving, and not living under real authoritarian power structures.

Eh, that's not a terribly big deal. I had an uncle who was a Shriner.

Your uncle was probably some nobody in a backwoods chapter who never had real status outside of that, nor the money or guts to actually stand for anything real. Not all chapters are the same, and sorry your family was so small-time and insignificant that they never got close to anything that mattered. Doesn't mean the rest of us come from the same nothing background as you.

The peasants were stuck under monarchies that worked hand-in-glove with the church since ancient times. State and religion ran everything together back then, like they still do in different forms now. Your insulting, simple take is just wrong and shows how little you actually know from your kid farm life. Is it your goal to demotivate people into being as bitter, closed-minded, and stuck in the past as some washed-up old farm boy who never had anything real? So the rest of us have to settle for your boring, simple version of history too?

Conspiracy theories are a defining feature of our Discordian mythology. It's one of the things that drew me to this religion, as I find many popular conspiracy theories to be highly amusing.

In that case, I will divulge that my great grandfather quit from high ranks in the actual freemasons/illuminati. The rumor was that we were cursed for three generations as a result. Tragic deaths and misfortune disabled and killed all of my relatives one by one, purely coincidental of course. There has never existed powerful conspirators or organized revenge, that has obviously absolutely never happened before, ever. Even suspecting that those long chain of unfortunate events could have been the result of poison and sabotage would be an absurd paranoia.

I submit that describing how our various previous civilizations operated, and how our current one operates, is more difficult than that. And, believing in conspiracy theories can lead to paranoia.

The very term, "Conspiracy Theory" is a loaded term that was propagated by corrupt intelligence agencies. A 1967 CIA internal dispatch, document 1035-960, titled "Countering Criticism of the Warren Report" instructed agency assets and media contacts to challenge skeptics of the official lone-gunman conclusion on President Kennedy's assassination via labeling them into the category of "Conspiracy Theorists" in the minds of the unsuspecting public.

And they likely got the idea from an 1863 New York Times editor, Charles Astor Bristed, who was discrediting the notion that British aristocrats were manipulating the US civil war for profits. Pure yellow journalist slander and mass manipulation, if you ask this random internet loon.

I perceive that you are full of shit.

That... seems to be the overused crutch of an emotionally stunted arguer who cannot stomach ideas that challenge their own assumptions.

Old timey farmers needed an accurate system for timing planting and harvest because harvesting by hand took a long time and required the whole community working together, often for weeks on end, while crops only stayed perfectly ripe for a brief period before rain, wind, birds, or the plants themselves caused losses; in the past, with no good ways to preserve extra food for long periods or bring in supplies from far away, even losing 10 or 20 percent of the crop could leave the village short on calories during the winter or dry season when nothing new was growing and people already lived close to the edge.

Upon reading a discussion about Ancient Astronomy, I noticed a pattern that seems to corelate with Aneristic Illusions, which seems to be a disillusionment the status quo's narrative of steady historical progress and limited early capabilities.

The progression from cave people to modern people was not linear as we have all been brought up to believe. Real history shows repeated cycles of building knowledge, losing it, rediscovering it, and developing in different directions at different times and places. This seems to vibe super well with the concept of Aneristic Illusion.


Timeline:

Prehistoric (~10,000 – 3000 BCE)
>Stone Henge

Ancient (~3000 – 500 BCE)
>Antikythera Mechanism
>Mesopotamian and Egyptian

Global Empires (~300 BCE – 500 CE)
>Alexander the Great
>The Roman Empire

Islamic Golden Age (~800 – 1500 CE)
>Dark Ages

Renaissance (1500 – 1800 CE)
>Rediscovery of Greek and Roman knowledge

Modern Era (1800 – Today)
>Mass literacy
>Cumulative scientific methods


Within this chaos, seems to be a pattern of order that was not purely accidental. The entire time, the farming, agricultural class, was forced to adhere to the religiously aligned scholarly class which would tell them when to plant and when to harvest, else they would plant too early and wait too late to harvest.

I speculate that the systems and methods of such, at some point, went from a benevolent anarchistic collaboration to flat out being a mass global control and enslavement scheme between the ancient era and the era of mass conquest.

It seems like we are still enslaved to such a system today, as the trade secrets are the number one top priority of federal and international law enforcement. We commoners may know outlandishly more than the feudal peasants of the past, but our academic resources are still locked behind massive pay walls, and access to such material is highly controlled and monitored.

The novel concept that I will take the social risk of arguing here is that has never changed in the last 10,000 years, and much of the class structures from then still remain in one form or another. The more our elite scholars learn, the more they allow to trickle down on the lower class.

Currently, Islam censors any history contradictory to their religious beliefs, and that has been occurring since Mohammed himself most likely caused the dark ages.

Before the dark ages, empires controlled the flow of knowledge, until the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. These non-interesting parts of History between the well documented established orders contained unbroken lineages of familial bloodlines and religious orders which absolutely kept secrets from the rest of us.

   Valid, thanks.
Focusing more on the Ancient Astronomy.

I'm dumbfounded by the Antikythera Mechanism. The mathematics and raw data collection involved in that must have been quite a feat.

I was recently in a long format debate with 'Turning Point USA' staff on the topic of transgenderism to see where they were at these days.

It seems like their hill to die on is "protect female spaces" on the premise that Men can never be Women genetically, and to contradict the natural order would traumatize young Women and inherently be harmful. They present the narrative that they are based and cemented in concrete facts of "science" and irrefutable three rules of logic.

Their entire political platform is based on the irrefutability of their "science". Even though they want to ignore sociology, psychology, masses of firsthand testimony, and endless literature on the topic. They completely disregard the promising potential of gene alteration with is about to make major breakthroughs, and fundamentally misunderstand the scientific process.

Literally, they want to be the party supported by Bible thumpers, and they want to appear to be aligned with the scientific "authorities". Sadly, they can't have both.

I think the religion and greed motivates their deceits, it formed their bias very early in life, and the conservative men seem to separate their thoughts into different boxes that they do not dare cross contaminate.

All this to say that my personal experience seems to match your study's claims.

  Would I be considered one of the crazies if I were to point out that the ye old super geniuses would make discoveries while being funded by patrons, who would then use their status and authority to monopolize information to reinforce their control schema over the peasantry? 

  Wouldn't this topic not only show the sophistication of people back then, but also the potential of foresight that they would understand their position over the illiterate masses, and naturally, they would want to guarantee and maintain their lineage's position of security and power over time.

Isn't that ultimately the motivation behind an interest in such antiquity, to connect the dots on how it may be relevant today?