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I dunno.  This talk about Jesus at a discordian site, it just kinda put me off my breakfast.  WWED?

Elezar the Apostate

Triple Zero, everything you say is true, at least I won't be picky.  This illustrates most superbly the uselessness of logic in philosophical discussion.  It invariably requires the discussion be restricted to the parameters of approved logical forms, and those forms are, often, incapable of taking any discussion anywhere beyond the statement of fact.  If you wish to understand what I'm saying, I can go into more detail on the first point.  You can also look up the article by Bran th' Blessed at Witchvox (he only submitted one thus far).  If you are a skilled sophist, you may always be able to argue against any conclusion, or for it as may please you, but if it becomes more important to find fault than to find truth, you will find only what you seek.

I'm a mystic and a poet.  I tell you only what I believe.  It's up to you to accept or reject it.  I've done my part by putting it out there.  If you feel there may be something of value to you in what I've written, ask me to clarify certasin points and I will.

Thanks for reading and responding to my post.
Elezar the Apostate

How the hell did I get in here?  Where's the toilet?  Oh!  Sorry!

What do I really believe?  I believe that everything in the space-time universe must have an explanation for its existence, so there must be at least one explanation, for the existence of the whole shebang, somewhere outside of the space-time continuum.  Out there, it can have no size, shape, location, or motion, no outside or inside, no number (nix the multiplicity)--'cause its "outside" of space.  It can have no beginning or end, no change, no events, no action, no transition--'cause it's "outside" of time.  Whatever explains the universe is closer to the Brahman than to any of the Hindu deities.  We may call it "the Grand Mystery" or "spirit", but I don't think it'll match up well with any deity from any holy book or mythology.

But since everything including we ourselves come from that source of all being, isn't it to be expected that we all would seek to know that thing, and share it with each other when we think we've found it?  Isn't it just like us to make a bunch of religions based on different visions of the one Grand Mystery and then kill each other off for not believing the same way?  I mean, ain't that why we're Erisians?  It's like God says in that Randy Newman song, he says, "...that's why I love mankind!"

Elezar the Apostate

I find that Illuminatus is best understood by not reading it at all.  Instead, one should tear out each page of the book and order them alphabetically by the first word(s) on each odd page, excluding titles and such.  Then flip it all over as a bundle and write down the first letter of the first word on each even page one by one.  Next, develop a simple letter-for-letter exchange decryption to translate the chaotic jumble of letters from even pages into actual words.  This is the part that tests you for at least some modicum of intelligence.  Follow the directions to the designated location and make the indicated inquiry at the service counter.  This works with the fifth printed edition of the paperback version, although I can't say I have tried any others.

Once you hear it all from someone who really understands it, it's all just so clear, so obvious, so frightening.

Elezar the Apostate

We had a cat named Stupid, and he was better named at that than any RPG character I ever had.  Well, you can imagine how bad by noting my Discordian name (my user name on this forum).    Given these examples, you see why I make no fun of others in this regard.

Never use a rhyme
If you want to sound sublime.
...works most of the time.



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