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They had been watching Max fumble the innvocation for over twenty minutes now. Megan got up and went to the snack table, only to discover someone had eaten all of the rice crispy squares. This was the worst satanic ritual she had ever been too.

Max was confused. "It worked last time", he assured his now restless audience. Maybe he wasn't using enough goat blood.

By the Gods did it hurt! It was even worse than the time he had gotten fulminating powder in his eye. Staring at his shriveled, smoking hand, Azathon began to consider whether alchemy was really his thing.

Perhaps. A lot of the creative process isn't necessarily intentional, so much as it's stumbling across something interesting in the subconscious/collective unconscious/whatever.

I would tend to agree. All of my best songs seem to jump out at me from the ether.

Often at really strange times too... the last song I wrote came to me whilst eating a bowl of brocolli and watching Family Guy re-runs.

Mommy... Can I go out to kill tonite? I feel, I feel like takin' a Life..

I am so in love with Ms. Kitten.

I am Jack's sense of creative accomplishment.

Well done, I really like it!

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Malcoid, did I read right that you're not in High School yet?

No sir/madam, you did not. But thats okay, I dont mind!

I had a strong interest in exploring metaphysics in high school. Im more inclinded these days blah blah blah

[ECONOMIC CRISIS]

Paradigm shift is the phrase I think I have been looking for.  Planks of the old system have been abused to the point of death, but most world leaders wish to retain that old system - because they understand, because they profit from it and because their financial backers have a vested interest in an ordered future they know how to exploit.  They want to live in the past, to how things were, and I'm not sure this is entirely possible.

If this current ECONOMIC CRISIS is not enough to spark a paradigm shift, I dread to think of what it will actually take to cause such massive change.

Also, when taking to people I cant help but say ECONOMIC CRISIS, like Im saying it in caps and bold. Im not really sure what I am trying to say by doing this, but I enjoy it none the less.

Yes I know, the tough guy doesnt always win. If that was the case, humans probably would not be the dominant species on the planet. Its more likely that higher brain function and better social cooperation allowed us to claim the top of the shit pile. So, I would suggest its possible that the concept of morality and ethics arose in conjunction with the evolution of our brain.

You think we're the dominant species   Various insects and bacteria have got us beat.

Hmmm, yeah right. I dont think being a bacteria or an insect would be terribley interesting. Desipte our problems and limitations, I consider humans to be a far superior form of life. Maybe that isnt 'dominant' in biological terms, but honestly, I dont give a shit about the insects or bacteria. Unless one with leathal poison bit me or infected me. Then multiple shits would be given.

If you don't fucking understand it, don't fucking apply it.  You don't have an understanding of evolution, so don't try and apply it.  That's what caused social darwinism.

In this case, the tide pulled me a bit deeper than I had intended to wade, however I dont see any reason why I should shy away from engaging myself with an idea I dont fully understand. Its a method of learning. Also, this method is tends to be more interesting than reading a book of someone elses thoughts.

Besides, I find your assertion that morality arises 'out of nowhere, out of Chaos' to be as unsatisfactory as those who claim it is directed by God.

I never fucking said that you motherfucking twat. 

I got you confused with another poster. Sorry, when people are being arrogant pricks they all tend to sound the same.

That is not evolution, that is a creotard strawman.  Actual evolutionary theory states that those who live long enough to fuck and have offspring will spread more of their traits into the general population.  They could do it by being the biggest badass, until a bigger predator kills and eats it.  A lot of times the pretty boy has a greater fitness, because he got laid unlike mister badass who fights every motherfucking thing he sees.  Or you have a badass lone wolf, who gets chased out of the pack by the weaker members for being a dick.  He's not getting laid, he's working too hard to sustain himself on rats.

Also, I fucking hate it that species-centric fucks always focus on animals.  Your strawman means nothing in the world of plants.  An aggressive flower is just fucking moronic and I don't care which flower is the most imposing, if bees aren't attracted to it's petals it ain't reproducing.  The REAL theory applies to these circumstances, your idiotic version where the tough guys always win fails.

Yes I know, the tough guy doesnt always win. If that was the case, humans probably would not be the dominant species on the planet. Its more likely that higher brain function and better social cooperation allowed us to claim the top of the shit pile. So, I would suggest its possible that the concept of morality and ethics arose in conjunction with the evolution of our brain.

To be honest, I dont know that much or care that much about this particular topic. I definitely do not give a shit about how evolution relates to plants. I just dont feel inclined to let you be a condescending dick towards me and not say anything.

I believe morals were invented by man to fulfill the intense need people have to tell others how they should behave.

End of story.

Heres a question for you:

Why do you think we have the intense need to tell others how they should behave?

Are we talking about the map or the territory here?  I'd agree that what people think of as moral might have something to do with sociobiology, but to say that something is objectively Wrong or objectively Good because of how animo acids happened to work out seems to be the height of stupidity.

I thought we had already cleared up that misconception. No, I certainly do not suggest we have specific morals, or any objective sense of morality because of biology.

Im simply speculating that the need for morals grew out of some combination of biological evolution and the increasingly complex social interactions that arose from higher brain functions.

Seems like a fairly reasonable idea to me...

How do you feel about metaphysics?

I had a strong interest in exploring metaphysics in high school. Im more inclinded these days to accept that much about reality is unknowable, and that our attempts to define our exsistence are all flawed to some degree.

That being said, I still enjoy reading and discussion on such matters.

Are we talking about the map or the territory here?  I'd agree that what people think of as moral might have something to do with sociobiology, but to say that something is objectively Wrong or objectively Good because of how animo acids happened to work out seems to be the height of stupidity.

I thought we had already cleared up that misconception. No, I certainly do not suggest we have specific morals, or any objective sense of morality because of biology.

Im simply speculating that the need for morals grew out of some combination of biological evolution and the increasingly complex social interactions that arose from higher brain functions.

Seems like a fairly reasonable idea to me...

Just stop, please stop.  Evolution says shit all about our morality.  Biology says shit all about morality.  Science says shit all about morality.  Not to mention you are applying evolutionary biology to an area it was never meant for.  In this case it is a useless model.  Not to mention you are oversimplifying the entire thing so much it's not even useful in a biological sense.

No, I wont stop. You have failed to even attempt to rebut my idea with anything but condescension.

Besides, I find your assertion that morality arises 'out of nowhere, out of Chaos' to be as unsatisfactory as those who claim it is directed by God.

Why is this idea so offensive too you? Does the prospect that your ideas and beliefs today could have arisen from ancient biological drives and pressures rob you of that feeling youre a special and unique snowflake?

Malcoid, why are you so concerned about the morals or ethics of others?

I wouldnt use the word concered. I find morality to be an interesting topic because it has such a wide variance and is often the cause of unresovable differences between people.

I also find that attempting to understand other peoples perceptions of reality to be a useful tool in examining and challenging my own.