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LOL, agreed

Ah, good job. Nice find!

Rat, have you read the 'Dreadlock Recollections'? JohnnyBrainwash and I actually found a definition for 'Catma' in there. Might be a good contrast to TP&TC. I haven't read it all the way through myself.

http://www.ovo127.com/zines/ovo017.html

Thanks for the link, looks to be a very interesting book. I had not known of it's existence.

Although I could find no reference to any opinion or incident of sex with an under-age people in this book. Also the only reference to "catma" I found was this -

"In 1964, living in Shirlington, Virginia, and corresponding with Greg Hill, I suggested that our satirical religion, the Discordian Society, which Greg and I had originated in California before going to New Orleans, needed a dogma – or , as we called it, a catma. Brother-in-law's comment was in the back of my mind when I therefore determined that it should be the Law of Fives: Everything happens in fives – or can in some other way be connected with the number five.  Slim Brooks was our fourth convert to the Discordian Society and, as might be anticipated, Brother-in-law was the fifth person to join that facetious cult devoted to the Greek goddess of confusion, Eris – known to the Romans as Discordia. "

This quote also suggests more involvement in the creation on Discordianism than those above (including myself) had thought (hoped?). He was responsible for the rule of fives theory by his claim anyway.

Although it still seems that Mal-2 is responsible for putting together the PD along with most of it's content.

Well according to the interview with Mal-2 in the Steve Jackson edition, Kerry would read then rewrite some of Mal-2's work and then Mal-2 would re-write it again before he was happy with it. And Kerry contributed the parts attributed to him of course.

While that does not seem "minimal". It is clearly a great deal less than Mal-2, who should be considered the main writer/creator/inspiration of PD. At least that is how Mal-2 sees it. Or claims to see it in the alleged interview :-D

I don't know if "crazy" cuts it in this situation.  The fact that he closed and locked the door indicates to me that he very much knew what he was doing was considered wrong by most people.

Well you can be aware that what you are ding is wrong but still not of your right mind. That is to say, quite possibly this was no longer the same man that contributed to PD.

But maybe that is wishful thinking.

Well, neither of them were the main creator, as the PD is a collection of many different people... Thornley and Hill were the ones first inspired to start it and were very vocal in promoting it, but the book itself has many different authors (later editions have even more).

However, your personal judgments are yours to make. Since the PD has nothing to do with Child Molestation, and since Thornley's incident didn't happen until years after the PD had been written, I'm not sure that I agree with your position...

but hey, "To each their own" said the old lady as she kissed the cow.... 

I think you misunderstand my position. Which to be clear is thus -

I was shocked and disturbed to discover this revelation. I was very disappointed and saddened to discover this about someone I admired. However due to his physiological decline in these later years I am happy to be able to consider the man that did this, not the same great man that is responsible for the work I admire.

However I am relieved that the Principia's existence is not owed only to this man because of this event, as it would interfere with my enjoyment of the work.

Your posts makes it sound like you believe my position is that I have chosen to abandon my love of Principia due to this. Which is not the case at all. It is also not the case that I have chosen to judge Kerry's entire life and work due to this one event. I do not understand why you are of the opinion that this is my opinion

That you know of...

Most humans do something utterly horrific in their life at some point. The question is, do you use their worst moment to be that which defines them?

True, and I try not to use the worst moment of anyone's life to define them. I usually draw the line at child molestation though.

But I think had he been the main writer and creator of Principia Discordia as opposed to Mal-2. I would find it very difficult to enjoy such a wonderful peice of work because of this revelation. A shame to be sure.

The number of authors that have serious psychological issues appear to be quite high. Why would that necessarily stop you from enjoying their work?

It's not his possible madness that would prevent me from enjoying his work. His mental problems in fact help make it easier to enjoy his work in light of the very disturbing account of his attempt to sexually molest an 8 year old girl.

Crowley was most likely insane and at the end of his life so was Nietzsche. Both writers I greatly admire. But they also didn't try to get it on with a child.

The VERY disturbing incident can be read here -

http://books.google.com/books?id=tCxmamU5ZuUC&dq=Kerry+Thornley&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=y-7CPlROP5&sig=wIJ-qzhUHT99t2S3sRWRJe6LX1o&hl=en&ei=EazsSfmvApzItgeZwu2cBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA157,M1

Page 157

I could not find a second occasion? Care to point me to it?

I think if Kerry was the main writer of Principia and not by all accounts (at least later in life) a madman. This would prevent me from enjoying Pricipia Discordia in any way.

Yes that's him. And of course that comic does not display his Discordianism 

Thanks for the respectful feedback (besides "meh").

I hear you on the gamer comic thing, wasn't our intention when we started. But being a gamer myself I tended to write what I was thinking about at the time. We realised we were being tagged as a "gamer comic" rather than the "geek culture" comic we wanted to be (entirely our fault I know) so we made a concerted effort to stop doing gamer gags after the first year. The very last comic that was a video game gag, was Jan 7th 2006 (the comic started Jan 2005).

Since then we haven't done any gaming based strips (only a few passing references to video games at all), and have gone back to what our initial intention was, to write funny stories tat reference geek culture in a nod and a wink kinda way. With the hopes that the reader will get enough of the in-jokes to enjoy what we were trying to do. The RAW T-shirt is just one of those small references.

On the having there cocks out gags, well I have to admit that I find that funny. Infantile as it is :-D

Thanks for the kind words P3nT4gR4m!

Hi folks, I'm new here but have been a Discordian to some degree for many years since I discovered RAW.

I have a webcomic that while I am doubtful it will appeal to anyone here due it's infantile humour, it does feature a character that while he is not very expressive of his beliefs, he is a Discordian (and wears a RAW shirt at all times).

If anyone is interested at all, head over to - www.flat-life.com

peace