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#1
Principia Discussion / Re: Questions Only
June 27, 2010, 06:30:52 PM
Hasn't fnord always been low key?
#2
Principia Discussion / Re: Questions Only
June 23, 2010, 10:35:47 PM
why is principia discussion members only?
#3
Apple Talk / Re: On the socialization of children
June 23, 2010, 10:34:27 PM
I found that my fears were unjustified.

My ex-wife showed up with the mormons that were taking my daughter to church.  They were bumming about being out of smokes, laughed about being caffeine consumers and the female was knocked up out of wedlock.  I shook their hands and told them they were the types of mormons I could appreciate.

My other daughter, much younger, still believes she sees the ghost of her grandmother and cat...who am I to tell her she's wrong.
#4
Aneristic Illusions / Re: GASLAND
June 23, 2010, 10:27:35 PM
It made John Stewart's show last night.

Movie's site is here http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

Scary, nice to learn about the Halliburton loophole that makes oil and gas companies not have to comply to the clean air and clean water acts.
#5
You too can be like Nostradamus! 

Create Your Own Quatrain Prophecy (d8 version)

1. Century 1
Sitting alone at ___A___ in secret ___B___;
it is placed on the ___C___.
A slight ___D___ comes out of the ___E___  and
makes ___F___ that which should not be ___G___.

2
The ___H___ in the hand is placed in the middle of ___I___ legs.
With ___J___ he sprinkles both the ___K___ of his ___L___.
A voice, ___M___: he trembles in his ___N___.
Divine splendor; ___O___ sits near.

3
When the ___P___ are overturned by the ___Q___
and ___R___ are covered by ___S___,
the ___T___ will be troubled by ___U___.
At this time the ___V___ will rule ___W___.

4
In the ___X___ there will be made ___Y___
___Z___ will have little ___AA___.
At this time the ___BB___ of the ___CC___ will be ___DD___,
___EE___ to its ___FF___.

5
They will be ___GG___ for a long drawn out ___HH__.
The ___II___ will be ___JJ___.
___KK___  will have ___LL___.
___MM___ will have their hearts ___NN___.

6
The ___OO___ of Ravenna will be ___PP___,
when ___QQ___ will fail at ___RR___.
The ___TT___ will have made ___TT___
for ___UU___, which the French will ___VV___

7
Arrived ___WW___, the act has been ___WWII___.
___XX___ was against them, letters ___YY___ on their way.
The ___ZZ___ were ___a___ of a party.
By ___b___ shall ___c___ be undertaken.

8
How often will you be ___d___, O ___e___ ?
Changing laws that are ___f___.
___g___ approach you. No longer will you be ___h___.
___i___ will revive your ___j___.







A.  1 - night
      2 - day
      3 - coffee
      4 - dawn
      5 - tea
      6 - home
      7 - the throne
      8 - work

B.   1 - study
       2 - bathroom
       3 - public area
       4 - automobile
       5 - garden
       6 - toaster
       7 - egg
       8 - plastic bag

C.   1 - tip of Mount Everest
       2 - brass tripod
       3 - crack of my ass
       4 - nose of a wayward pterodactyl
       5 - Principia Discordia
       6 - Pope's mitre
       7 - lost undersea world of Jaques Cousteau
       8 - sock that I found behind the couch

D.   1 - flamer
       2 - gigantic volcanic eruption
       3 - calculus exam
       4 - pixie
       5 - muffled groan
       6 - flame
       7 - noxious gas
       8 - gurgle

E.   1 - gas tank of a '66 convertable
       2 - bathroom door
       3 - void
       4 - CD player
       5 - deflating balloon
       6 - baby's diaper
       7 - Garden of Eden
       8 - Elder Sign

F.    1 - true
       2 - false
       3 - true in some sense
       4 - false in some sense
       5 - meaningless in some sense
       6 - true and false
       7 - none of the above
       8 - neither true, false nor meaningless

G.   1 - red
       2 - flying high above my head
       3 - grape flavored
       4 - hammered into the skull of that idiot
       5 - believed in vain
       6 - contrived by ordinary means
       7 - summoned
       8 - poke in the bum

H.   1 - mug of root beer
       2 - first of two cups
       3 - Sacred Chao
       4 - phallus
       5 - vaginal substitute
       6 - leftover spooge
       7 - Empire State Building
       8 - wand

I.   1 - the tripod's
     2 - the chained up orangatuang's
     3 - Cthulu's
     4 - your momma's
     5 - my own
     6 - your
     7 - the Sunday School teacher's
     8 - Brittany Spear's

J.   1 - great care
     2 - no help
     3 - water
     4 - MC Hammer
     5 - Alsister Crowley
     6 - a thick mayonaise like substance
     7 - bacon
     8 - the government's approval

K.   1 - hem
       2 - stem
       3 - hams
       4 - gems
       5 - top and bottom
       6 - outside and inside
       7 - overturned wharf rats
       8 - hovercraft

L.   1 - inner child
      2-  own personal Jesus
      3 - long curly hair
      4 - vaginal area
      5 - mistaken identity
      6 - runaway bride
      7 - free yogurt sample
      8 - garment and his foot
       
M.  1 - a screaming virgin
       2 - from beyond
       3 - out of nowhere
       4 - telling him to wash his hands
       5 - that he can't hear
       6 - drowned in ketchup
       7 - fear
       8 - harsh and unloving, yet somehow attractive

N.   1 - sheets
       2 - robes
       3 - magic underwear
       4 - mothers afterglow
       5 - stolen unwashed bra
       6 - getaway car
       7 - pastor's rectum
       8 - unaligned perversion

O.   1 - the God
       2 - Otter from Animal House
       3 - An elephant in the living room
       4 - Your father
       5 - My father
       6 - Our father, who farts in heaven
       7 - Utter failure
       8 - A lucky dolphin

P.  1 - litters
     2 - little tiny agnsts
     3 - epochs of disco
     4 - used diapers
     5 - twin towers
     6 - oily wastes
     7 - fanatical gamers
     8 - transparent arguments

Q.  1 - tide of unrest
      2 - sane
      3 - combined might of Count Chocula, Captain Crunch and the Argonaughts
      4 - whirlwind
      5 - ghost of Chris Farley
      6 - Exon Valdez
      7 - , Holy Fuck!  Pterodactyls
      8 - gold changers on Mount Siani

R.   1 - screaming monkeys
       2 - faces
       3 - feces
       4 - orange jumpsuits
       5 - bound hands and legs
       6 - holy tomes
       7 - arachnid like eyeballs
       8 - unwashed undies

S.   1 - clocks
      2 - monkey dung
      3 - large amorphous geletain
      4 - the yellowpages
      5 - state law
      6 - your AAA membership
      7 - a yellow submarine
      8 - cloaks

T.  1 - entirety of the universe
     2 - Machine (TM)
     3 - polyp on your ass
     4 - new republic
     5 - spiders of mars
     6 - house of He Who Must Not Be Named
     7 - sponge-like appendages
     8 - unwashed masses

U.  1 - a urinary tract infection
      2 - the PD.com crew
      3 - its people
      4 - oblivious rulers
      5 - metric rulers
      6 - Holy Fuck! Pterodactyls
      7 - mysoginistic feminists
      8 - assholes

V.  1 - lava lamps
      2 - aristocrats
      3 - reds and whites
      4 - flying monkeys
      5 - youth culture that killed my dog
      6 - hippies
      7 - prophets
      8 - inbred

W.  1 - over everything
       2 - pop media
       3 - nothing really
       4 - the willing
       5 - wrongly
       6 - rightly
       7 - in tight blue jeans
       8 - in soiled robes

X.   1 - world
       2 - tiny Kingdom of Lilliputt
       3 - galactic empire
       4 - secret garden behind my house
       5 - eternal spring of life
       6 - left earlobe
       7 - back seat of my '60 chevy
       8 - mind of the Minolta

Y.   1 - an image of a UFO
      2 - the 23 Apples of Eris
      3 - huge apelike creatures
      4 - green M&M's
      5 - a king
      6 - an image of an impression of something that used to be but arguable doesn't exist in any pertinent form
      7 - Charlie and the Choclate Factory
      8 - the new continent

Z.   1 -  who
       2 - what
       3 - where
       4 - when
       5 - why
       6 - how
       7 - Sneezy dwarf
       8 - Millions of Screaming Yahoos

AA.  1 - brutal foot fungi
        2 - peace and short life
        3 - penuses
        4 - children
        5 - green tentacles
        6 - global warming fetishes
        7 - plumes of non-detectable oil
        8 - infighting contrarians

BB.  1 - underbelly of the Beast
        2 - Erisian Liberation Front
        3 - Army of Darkness
        4 - fans of Star Trek
        5 - ship
        6 - marketing division
        7 - submarine
        8 - UFO

CC.  1 - anti-christ
        2 - damned
        3 - first season
        4 - elephantitis sufferers
        5 - bunless hotdog eating ZOOMFG crowd
        6 - Regis and Kelly fans
        7 - Papacy
        8 - South Korean Navy

DD.  1 - found
         2 - morphed
         3 - WOMPed
         4 - lost
         5 - Lost
         6 - made to sing the Hokey Pokey
         7 - won
         8 - made by outsourced Chinese laborers

EE.  5 - ran into the ground
        3 - eaten by Millions of Screaming Yahoos
        8 - torn into giant slabs
        4 - ingnored completely
        2 - swayed by mass media
        6 - governed
        1 - argued into oblivion
        7 - shriveled up by cold water

FF.  1 - zenith
       2 - far horizon
       3 - greatest detriment
       4 - tastiest
       5 - 50th date with Adam Sandberg
       6 - best high of the week
       8 - highest score ever
       7 - smallest size

GG.  1 - flung like monkey poo
         2 - hung like horses
         3 - called nasty names
         4 - drawn toward
         5 - driven away
         6 - sexed up like never before
         7 - driven over
         8 - taken by the Evil Queens of Discordia
       
HH.  4 - smoke session
         3 - talking to
         7 - fight
         1 - fright
         8 - boiling in oil
         2 - mediocre posting
         6 - unemployment line
         5 - labia

II.     1 - Insane Clown Posse
        4 - Nation of Islam
        5 - people on soapboxes
        8 - countryside
        7 - poker players
        3 - heartbroken assholes
        2 - slayers of dragons
        6 - mathematicians and scientists

JJ.   5 - entertained at last
      6 - ignored
      4 - most greviously troubled
      1 - made to dance
      3 - subjected to talk radio
      8 - jerked off
      2 - never heard from again
      7 - lied to like always

KK.  8 - Everybody and their brother
        7 - Nobody inparticular
        6 - Town and country
        5 - Eris
        4 - My left shoe
        2 - ATT call centers
        3 - Bush who is W
        1 - Arrogant bastards

LL.  4 - no patience
        8 - third testicles
        3 - dangling earings
        5 - greater ease of use
        7 - greater struggle
        2 - male enhancements
        1 - lost her keys
        6 - a misplaced sense of order

MM. 1 - The Raiders and the Saints
         4 - Josie and the Pussycats
         5 - Jason and the Argonaughts
         7 - Pork byproducts
         2 - Spastic cephalopods
         8 - Carcassonne and Narbonne
         3 - Catan and the Seafarers Expansion
         6 - Monty Python fans

NN.  1 - eaten by maggots
         2 - sharpened to a fine point
         6 - engorged for more than 4 hours and have to call their doctor
         4 - altered into the form of water
         8 - twisted away
         7 - tried
         5 - fried
         3 - baconized

OO.  2 - boobs
         1 - gangreenous member
         4 - eye
         3 - dirty sanchezed ear
         6 - spastic colon
         5 - coke filled nose
         8 - CD player
         7 - DEV2.0 album

PP.  7 - peed upon
        5 - PD upon
        2 - forsaken
        4 - showered in gold
        3 - sprayed down
        8 - hosed off
        1 - wet and slimy
        6 - placed in two cups

QQ.  6 - his wings
         8 - her wings
         4 - his vagina
         1 - her testes
         2 - the earlobes of droopiness
         5 - his dog's droppings
         3 - all the money in the world
         7 - The Heaven's Gate Cult

RR.  1 - his feet
        2 - her feet
        4 - the break of day
        6 - tonight's top ten listings
        5 - tying shoes
        3 - driving and chewing gum
        7 - nothing in particular
        8 - creating a funny post

SS.  6 - nazi skinheads
       4 - two of Bresse
       5 - two of these
       7 - Magnum of Opus
       3 - idiots in charge
       2 - misled masses
       1 - Cherry Poppin Daddies
       8 - followers of prophecy

TT.  1 - an Orange Julius
       2 - a large defication
       3 - a constitution
       4 - an epic fail
       5 - a broken down jalopy
       6 - time for a smoke break
       7 - Depeche Mode
       8 - incarnations of Elvis

UU.  4 - Turin and Vercelli
          5 - Millie and Vanillie
          2 - Ike and Tina
          7 - Donny and Marie
          6 - Babylon and Bagdad
          1 - Ancient Aliens
          8 - the East and the West
          3 - Millions of Screaming Yahoos

VV.  8 - run away from
        7 - surrender to
        6 - hide away from
        5 - not be party to
        4 - party to
        3 - turn into crepes
        2 - trample underfoot
        1 - rudely serve

WW.  7 - just in the nick of time
           6 - after the party started but still fashionably late
           5 - with bells and whistles
           4 - dressed in drag
           3 - on the backs of the poor
           2 - too late
           1 - in the back of my grandad's pick-up
           8 - on Holy Fuck! Pterodactyls

WWII.  5 - enigmatized
             4 - consumated
             8 - invaded
             3 - watched a hundred times
             6 - done to death
             7 - drawn and quartered
             1 - bombed by HIMEOBS
             2 - done

XX.  1 - The wind
        2 - The whole of PD.com
        3 - The first Mother against Drunk Driving
        4 - Archie Bunker
        5 - My invisible friend
        6 - Ron Jeremy
        7 - The Knight Who Says Ni
        8 - Jenna Jameson

YY.  1 - written
        3 - organized
        5 - disorganized
        7 - spat upon
        2 - sat upon
        4 - shat upon
        8 - intercepted
        6 - lost by the USPS

ZZ.  2 - Top
        8 - lost boys
        5 - Jesus freaks
        3 - armed hostages
        6 - fanatical few
        1 - Sunshine Band
        7 - Men Who Stare At Goats
        4 - conspirators

a.   8 - sixteen
      7 - underage but appreciative
      6 - fourteen
      5 - eighteen
      4 - millions
      3 - really in need
      2 - afraid
      1 - not going

b.  1 - Clouseau
     2 - Rousseau
     3 - Cousteau
     4 - Bledsoe
     5 - Belushi
     7 - the other Belushi
     6 - John Stuart Mill
     8 - Gum

c.   4 - underage drinking
      3 - preverted altruistsms
      2 - these enterprises
      1 - great creations
      8 - long car rides
      7 - ridiculous posts
      6 - month long quests
      5 - diaper changing

d.   5 - smoked
      4 - injected
      3 - freed
      2 - peed upon
      6 - eaten
      7 - misled
      8 - ground into powder
      1 - captured

e.   7 - children of the sun
      8 - offspring of the Old Ones
      1 - city of the sun
      3 - Los Angeles Lakers
      5 - pussy whipped significant others
      2 - eaters of cheese
      4 - mothers of invention
      6 - demon spawn

f.  1 - fair and just
    2 - enforced upon all
    3 - arbitrarily rolled up
    4 - barbaric and vain
    5 - incomprehensible
    6 - physical in nature
    7 - mostly fluff
    8 - not

g.  3 - Good Times
     2 - Bad times
     4 - Millions of Screaming Yahoos
     7 - The Goonies
     5 - Fabricated Gods
     8 - A sample collector
     1 - Your boss and her boss
     6 - A forgotten doughnut and day old coffee

h.  1 - hungry
     2 - free
     3 - enslaved
     4 - engorged
     5 - overweight
     6 - intelligent
     7 - stupid
     8 - hairless

i.  8 - Great Hadrie
    7 - Heroin
    6 - Crushed up Hershey Bars
    5 - Bacon Bits
    4 - A meteorite
    2 - Purple Rain
    3 - Nothing
    1 - Me, Bender

j.  4 - veins
    3 - lungs
    5 - sense of humor
    6 - dead wife
    1 - interwebs
    8 - outerwebs
    2 - vericose veins
    7 - numbering system
#6
Apple Talk / Re: On the socialization of children
June 13, 2010, 02:40:14 AM
Didn't mean to bend anyone out of shape, received many things to think about and really appreciate the angles.  Back to the shadows before my lack of ability to convey my sense of humor..., bah, see ya and thanks again.
#7
Apple Talk / Re: On the socialization of children
June 12, 2010, 11:04:27 PM
Great, so Nephew Tid is apparently right, as Cram's Gram is a thought within Cramulus and we can weigh him.

Quote
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 10, 2010, 07:38:15 AM
Quote from: Unkl Dad on June 10, 2010, 07:10:38 AM
Atheism is too much of a commitment.

This isn't a cult?  Do I get my money back?

Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 10, 2010, 03:49:04 AM


There is however, this board. As long as this board exists, or the Discordian wiki exists, Cramulus will continue to exist. There could also be writings about Cramulus in the future, for all we know. We know a bit about Julius Caesar, Socrates, Khufu and Sargon, etc. By this definition, they still exist.

You could go a step even further and say that the way things are have been subtly influenced by everyone. I can account for the major events of my life over the past 11 years as largely stemming from one seemingly small decision I made in the Arboretum. This includes other junctures I have come across in the process, people I've met and interacted with along the way. I have influenced these people, and they have influenced me. So whether I am remembered in 200 years other than a weathered tombstone, I have still contributed to those 200 years of history, obscure or not.

By that definition the easter bunny, santa claus, unicorns and the perfect glass of wine exist.  OK, but I don't think it would be wise to wait for rabbits to start laying colored eggs.

Not my point at all. If you live on in others, then you continue to live on well after you are forgotten because of the the direct and indirect impacts that you have on everything. I'm talking about things that once actually existed. This is an extension of the Cram's Gram posts.
#8
Apple Talk / Re: DEVO Song Study
June 12, 2010, 05:05:59 AM
The kids?  Never listened to it though.

From DEVO's e-mailings:

Dear Spuds,

We have a lot of engagements coming up this month. On release day (June 15th) we will not only be at the Billboard Music & Advertising conference, but we'll be performing on the Late Show with David Letterman the same night. June 16th you can catch us on the amazing Colbert Report and June 18th we'll be partying with Regis and Kelly. Be sure to tune in!! Duty now for the future.

Also - you can now stream our ENTIRE new album on the Colbert website! Listen.

DEVO
#9
Apple Talk / Re: On the socialization of children
June 12, 2010, 05:04:10 AM
Appreciate all the things to consider!  Thanks yous!
#10
Techmology and Scientism / Re: Security Thread
June 11, 2010, 03:46:19 AM
CNBC's production Big Brother, Big Business 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6061213358499552766#


Goes a bit into what information is kept by which corporations, names a few large data brokers and information security companies and gives a few case studies in which identities or information was stolen.

I just brought it up because I found it ironic that the show made allusions to Big Brother getting a hold of the data held by private entities for political uses or free speech suppression yet appears to suggest the solution is more government regulation and monitoring, which seems to default the information to the people it sees as the possible problem.

#11
Apple Talk / Re: On the socialization of children
June 10, 2010, 07:10:38 AM
Atheism is too much of a commitment.

This isn't a cult?  Do I get my money back?

Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 10, 2010, 03:49:04 AM


There is however, this board. As long as this board exists, or the Discordian wiki exists, Cramulus will continue to exist. There could also be writings about Cramulus in the future, for all we know. We know a bit about Julius Caesar, Socrates, Khufu and Sargon, etc. By this definition, they still exist.

You could go a step even further and say that the way things are have been subtly influenced by everyone. I can account for the major events of my life over the past 11 years as largely stemming from one seemingly small decision I made in the Arboretum. This includes other junctures I have come across in the process, people I've met and interacted with along the way. I have influenced these people, and they have influenced me. So whether I am remembered in 200 years other than a weathered tombstone, I have still contributed to those 200 years of history, obscure or not.

By that definition the easter bunny, santa claus, unicorns and the perfect glass of wine exist.  OK, but I don't think it would be wise to wait for rabbits to start laying colored eggs.
#12
Apple Talk / Re: On the socialization of children
June 10, 2010, 03:02:19 AM
Quote from: Hawk on June 09, 2010, 11:12:57 PM
So I fucked up and had kids.

I love them dearly and realize that I can't send them back, mercykill them, sell or give them away without serious social, mental and physical freedom incursions so I must do my best to raise them as decent, free-thinking individuals. 


You and I are off to a rocky start.

When I was younger and smarter I swore I'd never inflict this world on children, sorry if you didn't like the joke.

Quote from: Telarus on June 09, 2010, 11:19:27 PM
Kinda. Integrity means Oneness, Unity, or "Such-ness". The idea being that the person still has those aspects, "independent of the medium by virtue of which you have received the information that it exists".

Let's clarify that last bit. You receive info that a "a Cramulus" exists, via the medium of the internet. Even if you've never met him flesh-to-flesh, the Pattern of Cramulus has become part of your (personal and partial) experience of the universe. Cramulus will continue to exists as a metaphysical entity long after his physical shell is no longer part of the Cramulus pattern. The pattern has changed(evolved), but it's still Cramulus.

OK, but then Cramulus is limited to being an impression and can only exist as long as there is an observer or prior observer of the medium.  I'll spend some time in the FAQ tonight and see if I have anything to offer.
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Apple Talk / Re: On the socialization of children
June 09, 2010, 11:02:39 PM
So each iteration of the pattern would be a derivative of the original pattern yet a unique pattern in its own right. Go it, off to tell the kids.

Thanks for the insight.

I think my principle worry with the kids is tolerating the intolerant and them getting into some situation where I become the enemy.  But we keep close so the chance of that is minimal and I was questioning the catholic church at around the same age.

I'll have to take them to churches, sounds like a plan.
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Apple Talk / On the socialization of children
June 09, 2010, 08:54:57 PM
So I fucked up and had kids.

I love them dearly and realize that I can't send them back, mercykill them, sell or give them away without serious social, mental and physical freedom incursions so I must do my best to raise them as decent, free-thinking individuals. 

The problems begin with having nothing to substitute for religion and the inclusiveness that religion offers.  Honesty and the uncertainty that it brings does not replace the community and warmth offered by believers and their institutions. 

My ex-wife joined the mormons about a year ago, mostly to get them to pay her rent and utility bills, and agreed that my 10 year-old daughter should have to wait to attend or be baptized into the church.  This has not stopped the missionaries from propogating their ideals in her presence nor their continuing invitations for her to attend services.  Alone, the missionaries would probably not get far, but their children offer friendship and community through the church and at 10, these are strong offerings. 

I have tried to keep my childrens' minds open and have talked with them at length and answered their religious questions as well as I have been able.    I have shown the 10 year-old the South Park episode featuring the mormons and explained that no matter which religion she chooses, if any, she will be in the minority belief and that there are probably as many ways to worship as there are people.  Undetered, she asks week after week to attend the mormon church and week after week I have denied her, telling her that I want her to be able to understand what church is about before I let her go.  This last week I relented to her crying and desire to join her friends and allowed her to go.  She explained that she wanted to go for the fun and friends and I figured that too much resistance from myself might push her to want to join even more.  She attended with her host family, fell asleep during the service (because it was boring) and was sent home early.  Score one for freedom.  I feel that this will not be the end, however, and have tried to get her to talk about the experience to little avail.

The other large problem with raising the kids in a spiritual vacuum is explaining death.  I have given in to the social ideals that surround them and allowed them to believe that the spirits of their loved ones who have passed exist in heaven.  There is too much social support for the idea to fight it, from their peers and everywhere else and trying to introduce the idea that there may be nothing after life seems to depressing for them to relate to at their ages.  Generally, I try to pass on my lack of faith in organizations I find farcical, be they social, religious or political, but I have learned to  live without believing and I'm finding that difficult to pass on.

Insight?