Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I just found this, and there is a critical point missing.
The temptation to give a different answer is a paradox; and it even has a name. It is known as Bertrand's Box Paradox. The need to get the same answer, when the question is about symmetric options like heads or tails, forces the answer to be the same as when nothing was revealed.
Bertrand's Box Paradox doesn't apply, because the possible answers to your question aren't symmetric. The probability of two of the same result must be 100% if I can't reveal a heads.
So the question is ambiguous. But if you had to pick one of those answers as "best," which would you pick? Can you apply Bertrand's Box Paradox?
The Florida question is essentially the same. The question is ambiguous, but maybe a "best" answer is possible. And it isn't the one usually given.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 03, 2013, 05:49:14 PMLet's try it a different way:
So, if we real-timed this..
I happen to have a coin. Before I flip it, what's the probability it will turn up heads twice? 25%.
I flip the coin once, and don't tell you what it was. Before I flip the second one, what's the probability it will turn up heads twice? 25%.
I flip the coin a second time, and don't tell you what either coin is. What's the probability it will turn up heads twice? 25%.
I turn over one of the coins. It's heads. What's the probability it will turn up heads twice?
...oh.
OH.
I turn over one of the coins. It's heads. What's the probability the other one is heads? 50%
And if I ask you what were the chances both of them would have come up heads... would you say 25%?
- I happen to have two coins. Before I flip either, what's the probability they will turn up the same way? 50%.
- I flip one coin and keep it hidden under a cup. Before I flip the second one, what's the probability it will turn up the same way as they first? 50%.
- I flip the second coin, keeping it hidden as well. What's the probability they turned up the same way? 50%.
- I let you pick a cup, and I reveal its coin. It's heads. What's the probability the other is heads?
The temptation to give a different answer is a paradox; and it even has a name. It is known as Bertrand's Box Paradox. The need to get the same answer, when the question is about symmetric options like heads or tails, forces the answer to be the same as when nothing was revealed.
- Suppose, instead if you picking a cup, you ask me if either is heads. I look at both, and reveal one, showing that it is heads. What's the probability the other came up the same way?
Bertrand's Box Paradox doesn't apply, because the possible answers to your question aren't symmetric. The probability of two of the same result must be 100% if I can't reveal a heads.
- Suppose, instead of letting you pick anything, I look under both cups and show that one is a heads. What's the probability the other is heads?
So the question is ambiguous. But if you had to pick one of those answers as "best," which would you pick? Can you apply Bertrand's Box Paradox?
The Florida question is essentially the same. The question is ambiguous, but maybe a "best" answer is possible. And it isn't the one usually given.