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Drawing after said CG

Dude, that's GOOD work.  Well done.

Just to put my $0.02 into the mix, Measles.

Deadly, fatal a century ago.  Minor nusience now.

Polio:  Deadly a century ago, vaccine now.
Smallpox:  Fatal a century ago, eradicated (except for a few scattered frozen samples) now.
Chicken Pox:  Fatal
Mumps:  Fatal (and a cause of sterility)

The so called "Child hood diseases" aren't called that because you get them in childhood, it's called that because you have a massive chance of survival IF you get them during childhood.  Those same diseases are fatal in adults.

Now, to argue the other side:  I had heard of ONE girl who lived through ebola, small child who had an active immune system.  I THOUGHT I had heard a rumor of another child surviving AIDS, the full blown no T-cell count thing.  I could very well be wrong since I don't pay attention.

To the original poster, you did a good job.  Feels nice don't it?  Had that happen a few times to me.

Andre Norton was a chick?

Yes, she was.  Just like CJ Cheryh is.  No one thought she would sell under her real name, so the publishers forced her to have a pen name and it sold.  Same thing with Cheryh.

pardon the ignorance but what is a fluffy?

a wicca kinda type of person?

the people that sacrifice apples instead of virgins?

Wiccan = one whose religion is Wicca.

Fluffy = An unrepentant idiot who espouses only the good side of everything and refuses to learn from experience.

ok we don't bashj fluffy wiccans either. i mean you don't see us bashign you do ya?  

Ah, horab.  Nice to see someone who is consistant.

You can post em if you want to. And a few people here might decide Wade would be fun to tease a bit. Seriously, though, we really don't go in much for fluffy bashing because it makes the resident rabbit upset. And because we tend to think that the fluffies have the right to believe what they want to. As far as I'm concerned they serve a purpose by drawing the attention of the world away from the serious practitioners and provide a great smoke screen for my evil purposes. Mwahahahaaaaa

Ah.  Okay, I was just complaining.  Thanks for setting me straight.

We were safe from him until you gave us this link

Sorry.  Didn't mean to infect this forum with him via a link to his livejournal.  Oops.

Want background?  I have links to those too.

Well considering that I couldn't care less about him being gay, but I do care about him calling the Morrighan a "loving mother earth goddess" and calling Laurie Cabott the pinicle of Wiccan Authors, I thought it would be appropriate.

He's an idiot, a fluffy wiccan, an idiot and an idiot.  No place is safe from him.

< weary sigh >

Wiccan Wade has found LiveJournal.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/macmorrighan/

Abandon hope all ye who enter there.  

Damnit.  I thought I was FINALLY safe....

I guess the reason they wrote the laws that way is because they assume that in order to GET ordaned in the first place you have to leap through all kinds of hoops.  I don't think that there is a group like the ULC who will simply go "bling" and ordain you.

Normally it takes YEARS of study to become ordained, and you HAVE to have the paper.  Like the Catholic Church and most other seminarys.  I don't think that the lawyers counted on the ULC doing this.

Are you sure about that?  That is one hell of a giant loophole.  And it would be worth it for that alone.  Because I am always giving people advice, if I could preface everything I say with, you can't sue me, I'm a minister, that would rock.

Yeah, I'm sure.  

It's written like this:  If you are a minister giving advice, you are counseling and it's a religious act.  You can't charge money for it, but you can do a donation which can be a defacto fee.

If you just give advice like a tarot reader, it's a private transaction and you can be libel for their shitty life if they take your advice.

At least that was the way it was about 13 years ago, they may have changed the law.

If you do decide to do it, you don't have to use it.  It's one of those things that it can't hurt to have just in case.

I take my ordination very seriously.  The only reason I can't officiate at the many functions you have listed is because I can never get down to the Clerk of Courts when there's someone there who will let me file my registration with the state.  Either they're out to lunch or busy at the moment or gone for the day or sick.

I bet they have a picture of me behind the desk that says, "Extremely unstable.  Call security."

'Course, last time I went to the courthouse they searched me after I kept setting the metal detector off.

The only reason I haven't done that is because there has been no reason for me to.  I got the ordination to protect me legally when I was working for < sit down and put your drinks down >  Kibrina's Psychic Answer.  Yeah, I did the telephone psychic stuff.

Legally, if you are an ordained minister, you can't be sued for giving bad advice.  They can sue psychics, so this was a dodge to cover our asses.  

But it's all good now.

So you can all do weddings and shizzle?

Yep.  All legal in every state, and they fought many battles to make sure.  All the individual has to do is register with the state and make sure that they are obeying the law in the local area.  

Marry, bury, baptise and preach.  Do it all.  Plus, I can incorporate as a church, and get tax exemption and take up collections.  Have to report it all to the mother church (in Modesto CA), but that's not a big deal.  

Hell, I can even pronounce you all Reverends too.

Their basic philosophy is that there are only three things that everyone needs:  Freedom, Food and Sex.  All else is window dressing.  They also believe that since you feel a call to the Ministry, that you are already ordained by God.  This is JUST the legal recognition so you can perform holy ordinences in the eyes of Ceasar.

Personally, while I take it seriously, there are many who think the ordination is about as valid and "special" as finding a prize in the Cracker Jack Box, or getting a pink colored piece of gum in Double Bubble wrapper.  Or as special as an Earl Scheib paint job.

Yes, completely serious.

ULC = Universal Life Church.  A christian church that, frankly, doesn't care what you believe.

I'm an ordained minister, both with the Mormons and the ULC.