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Principia Discussion / Re: Oh baby I like it RAW
« on: Yesterday at 01:38:27 pm »
Wait a minute! Cram is getting married?

On one hand: congratulations!

Thanks!

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On the other hand: Are you out of your fucking mind?  50% of marriages end in divorce, the ones that don't end in death.

thanks...?

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Literate Chaotic / Re: This question is "for the brightest"
« on: May 23, 2020, 03:52:53 pm »
The phrase on the apple, "ΤΗΙ ΚΑΛΛΙΣΤΗΙ" may be derived from an epithet of the nymph Callisto:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callisto_(mythology)#Origin_of_the_myth

It sounds like the word was sometimes attached to other goddess names, like Kallisti Athena (Athena the Most Beautiful)


this page on the Apple adds a little more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_of_Discord#%22To_the_Most_Beautiful%22

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Καλλίστῃ is the dative singular of the feminine superlative of καλός, beautiful. In Latin sources, the word is formosissima.

"formosissima" is latin for "most beautiful" or "most well-formed", which seems to refer to physical qualities.


But  The Greek word καλός seems a little bit more broad than saying something is "well put together", it also has a connotation of rightness:


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καλός • (kalós) m (feminine καλή, neuter καλόν); first/second declension

1. beautiful, lovely
2. good, quality, useful
3. good, right, moral, virtuous, noble


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Aneristic Illusions / Re: OFFICIAL POLITICAL CARTOONS/PIC FREAD.
« on: May 22, 2020, 05:26:33 pm »


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Principia Discussion / Re: Oh baby I like it RAW
« on: May 22, 2020, 04:51:37 pm »
I always think it's valuable to understand the other tunnels out there.

I have libertarian friends, and used to argue them a lot.. but frankly I used to have a badly skewed notion of what they actually care about.

I took the time to really figure out what their position was and why they feel that way. I still disagree with them, but at least I'm not blasting them with strawman arguments anymore. And I admit, there's some stuff in that tunnel that I can't disagree with.

Same with cops -- my childhood best friend is a cop, and I always use our conversations as an opportunity to learn how that reality tunnel works. It takes conscious effort to disengage my mental judgment engine and just be receptive.


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Principia Discussion / Oh baby I like it RAW
« on: May 21, 2020, 03:56:18 pm »
I've been reading Prometheus Rising to my fiance. I am so refreshed by Old Bob's spirit of curiosity and open-mindedness.

He encourages us to experiment with our consciousness -- try out different beliefs, see how they feel. Don't be judgmental. He doesn't tell you how to think at all. He suggests that we try out one reality tunnel for a bit (you found the quarter via "selective attention"). Then, try out another (you found the quarter using "the powers of your mind"). Then, compare the two yourself. Old Bob encourages us to explore reality ourselves, in person, not through other people's accounts.

This first chapter of PR discusses how our part of our mind ("the Thinker") quickly leaps to conclusions (likely based on an emotional state), and then the "Prover" reacts to this by building a scaffolding of logic and reason to support that conclusion.

My man G.I. Gurdjieff warns us about this too - he says that the intellect is slave to the emotions. Emotions are fast, automatic--reason is always struggling to catch up and justify / explain those feelings. Logic is not objective - the reasoning part of your mind can go anywhere; you could reason your way into a "Flat Earth" reality tunnel if you are emotionally invested in it. Awareness of this process gives us the potential to be free from it. For a little while, at least. It's really easy to become attached to our own thoughts, and it happens in subtle ways.

Bob encourages us to observe this process dispassionately in friends and strangers. "Try to figure out what their Thinkers think, and how their Provers methodically set about proving it. SECOND, apply the same exercise to yourself."

Bob's strongest advice is in the exercises - "Avoid coming to any strong conclusions prematurely. At the end of a month, re-read this chapter, think it over again, and still postpone coming to any dogmatic conclusions. Believe it possible that you do not know everything yet, and that you might have something still to learn."

That youthful curiosity, the attitude of approaching life like an explorer, the emphasis on self-skepticism... that's the Robert Anton Wilson spirit.

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Apple Talk / Re: Fuckin do it then
« on: May 21, 2020, 02:54:45 pm »
after quarantine, do you want to go jiming?

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“I don’t say that in the physical sense, and I can already see where the videos getting edited where it says I want to go murder Democrats. No,” Griffin continued. “I say that in the political sense because the Democrat agenda and policy is anti-American right now.”

I like the idea that 50%+ of the American voting bloc is anti-American

if it were true, it would be a great north star for politicians.


VOTE FOR ME AND I WILL BE THE FINAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT
 :pax:

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Are any masks FDA approved as a food?


wait -- that's a stupid question. sorry.


are any foods approved as face masks? like cabbage or something

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Literate Chaotic / Re: THE PHILIP K DICK THREAD
« on: May 20, 2020, 10:12:18 pm »
ahhh yeah I meant to say Platonic, not Aristotelian  :punchballs:


Plato Plah-toe

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IF FIBERGLASS CAN INSULATE AN ATTIC, IT SURE AS HELL CAN INSULATE A FACE


BTW I AM NOW SELLING ASBESTOS FACE MASKS AT A ...SOMEWHAT REASONABLE RATE

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Apple Talk / Re: Quotes of the Moment II
« on: May 20, 2020, 02:11:24 pm »
Joe Rogan is the Alex Jones of Sam Harris.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: THE PHILIP K DICK THREAD
« on: May 20, 2020, 01:30:29 pm »
I read Ubik this summer. I really love books that make you put them down, rub the bridge of your nose, and say out loud "what the living FUCK did I just read??"

He has such an interesting take.. in Ubik, commercialism has joined in on the invisible spiritual battle for the universe ... there are products which are consuming the universe, causing it to decay and regress -- and a product which can save it.

There's also this weird aristotelian idea, that any given object you can see is actually this ancient form which is disguised under a layer of culture. And as the world starts to fall apart in this novel, the forms regress.. Cars slowly become older and older models cars - eventually they become the Model T, and then they vanish. It's like this conceptual archaeology is going on. Any idea you have is actually a russian nesting doll containing all the ideas that it evolved from - the current point in history is basically like a "skin" on top of concepts .. which makes us think it's actually 2020 (or whatever year it is in the novel).


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yuck - good luck - hope they get a passing grade.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: THE PHILIP K DICK THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 04:39:48 pm »
kinda reminds me of Camus' The Stranger, where the guy is put on trial for murder, but everyone is much more focused on how he didn't have the normal & expected emotional reaction to his mother's death.

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