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Apple Talk / Re: Running out of TP
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:54:10 am »

Literate Chaotic / Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
« on: July 17, 2018, 11:17:41 pm »
 :lulz: Glad you enjoyed.

Literate Chaotic / Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
« on: July 16, 2018, 08:27:26 pm »
Yeah even for me I think the prose gets too purple in some spots (and I’m shamelessly into the style of the earlier books, which influenced my writing for several years and gawd I can’t stand to read some of my old shit for that reason).

I think the intent is to generate a dreamlike sense, where nothing is literal. It works best when he’s setting scenes with lurid descriptions of things like smells and textures, but gets kinda hard to follow when it’s supposed to be a character’s inner thoughts.

Apple Talk / Re: Time To Spit It Out.
« on: July 13, 2018, 04:54:31 pm »
TFA was meh.

TLJ was actually good, though fuck me if it took some time to get there.  The showdown between Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker was worth the price of admission.

No doubt, TLJ’s biggest sin is its pacing, which kind of sucks.

I am constantly flabbergasted by people who think Luke’s character was mishandled or done a disservice by the film, though. What they did was so much better than anything I’d have come up with.

Apple Talk / Re: Time To Spit It Out.
« on: July 13, 2018, 09:23:40 am »
Luckily, TFA was a good movie.

But it was still a reboot.

Which is fine IMO, because The Last Jedi was very much not a reboot and it made a bunch of wieners really, really mad. This is made even better by the fact that it was actually excellent.

Currently 46% audience approval on Rotten Tomatoes vs 91% critical approval. A huge chunk of that is review-bombing by trolls, but still. Watching the total failure of some people to tolerate a deconstruction of their cultivated identity has been a joy.

(here's where I got the term "cultivated identity":

Literate Chaotic / Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
« on: July 13, 2018, 09:15:52 am »
Finally reading The Unholy Consult after almost a year of putting it off, and after the other series I've read in the intervening time I've decided this guy is garbage who thinks everything should be phrased in poem form because he spent too much time in grad school.

 :lulz: Maybe. I think TUC goes really far in that direction, I don't recall the writing style being like that in the previous books. Ultimately I think it suits the themes and events of the book, but YMMV.

Apple Talk / Re: Forum History via Photobucket
« on: July 11, 2018, 03:24:45 am »
ha ha ha this seems like a fun caper let me just click a random link from that list and

guys i don't want to play anymore

Apple Talk / Re: Harlan Ellison has died.
« on: July 10, 2018, 02:24:08 am »
I think he'd appreciate this in his memory:

Principia Discussion / Re: How Discordian are you?
« on: July 08, 2018, 01:08:38 pm »
0% discordianism is for chumps

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: July 08, 2018, 12:43:22 pm »
On Thursday, the protest/blockade of ICE offices in Philadelphia got broken up by police around noon...

Not that I would know anything about such disruptive, potentially unlawful activities, but it sure seemed to be going strong about 6 hours later. If Twitter is to be believed, they're still there.

The Lifespan of a Lie

The Stanford Prison Experiment is one of those mainstays of armchair psychology. I know it has heavily influenced the way I think about human behavior and situationism ever since I heard about it.


History has an annoying trend of being more nuanced and complicated than the version you heard when you were in high school.

The article isn't that long, but here's some out-of-context paragraphs for you to read and misinterpret:

While Zimbardo likes to begin the story of the Stanford prison experiment on Sunday, August 15th, 1971, when guards began harassing newly arrived prisoners at the “Stanford County Jail” — making it sound as if they became abusive of their own accord — a more honest telling begins a day earlier, with the orientation meeting for the guards. There, addressing the group less as experimental subjects than as collaborators, Zimbardo put a thumb on the scales, clearly indicating to the guards that their role was to help induce the desired prisoner mindset of powerlessness and fear.

In surveys conducted in 2014 and 2015, Richard Griggs and Jared Bartels each found that nearly every introductory psychology textbook on the market included Zimbardo’s narrative of the experiment, most uncritically. Curious about why the field’s appointed gatekeepers, presumably well-informed about the experiment’s dubious history, would choose to include it nonetheless, I reached out. Three told me they had originally omitted the Stanford prison experiment from their first editions because of concerns about its scientific legitimacy. But even psychology professors are not immune to the forces of social influence: two added it back in under pressure from reviewers and teachers, a third because it was so much in the news after Abu Ghraib. Other authors I spoke with expressed far more critical perspectives on the experiment than appeared in their textbooks, offering an array of reasons why it nonetheless had pedagogical value.

The racial dynamics of the Stanford prison experiment, which have never been adequately explored, should probably have given reformers pause. Carlo Prescott, who had just suffered sixteen years of imprisonment as an African American, played a pivotal role in shaping the architecture of the experiment. Frustrated in part by the lack of black experimental subjects, he intervened repeatedly in the action, seeking to bring, as he put it to me, “an air of authenticity to boys who were getting $15 a day to pretend to be prisoners — all Caucasian, as you recall. [Ed. note: one prisoner was Asian American.] Some of the genuine things that shock you as a result of having your liberty taken and your ass being controlled by people who hate you before you even get there.” Yet Zimbardo’s account of the “situation” that engendered abuse left race out of the equation. He often used the word “normal” to describe the participants in his study despite the fact that they were hardly a normal representation of the American inmate population at that time. Analyzing American prisoner abuse as a product of race-blind “situational forces” erased its deep roots in racial oppression.

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: May 25, 2018, 02:04:50 pm »
We're having the referendum on abortion today. We have a clause in our constitution saying Mother and child have equal rights to life. This blocked abortion completely in Ireland, and had a side effect that a woman has to literally be approaching death before doctors will intervene to end a pregnancy (they let a woman get septicemia rather then perform the abortion to save her life and she died which sort of triggered today's vote).
I've voted yes to remove this clause, because I trust women to know when they need an abortion (for whatever reason, not just health). But I suspect this is probably the last time they could call this referendum and have a high chance it wont go through.

Good luck. Somehow I have a surprising amount of Irish or Irish-adjacent content on my Twitter feed, so I woke up to a ton of posts about this.

Or Kill Me / Re: The left and the right
« on: May 12, 2018, 07:09:53 pm »
FWIW, I think casting off or disregarding all factors that unify people and trying to make decisions based on pure individualism is not casting off ideology or rising above it.

An ideology is, to borrow a definition I learned from PhilosophyTube ("What Was Liberalism"), simply a framework that defines two main things:

1) What facts are relevant
2) Who are the acceptable targets of violence

Even the most nihilistic, norm-rejecting stance has SOME kind of answer to these questions, and therefore has an ideology.

I'ma go with one that I think sucks the least and has the least separation from testable, empirical experience. Sometimes I'll fuck that up. But I'm pretty much over the "both sides are bad lol" mode of coping with bullshit.

Or Kill Me / Re: The left and the right
« on: May 12, 2018, 06:15:48 pm »
For all distinctions between races, cultures, and ethnicities to be cast down and forgotten. For all gender expression to be eliminated due to all gender specificity of anything (clothing, bathrooms, sports teams, etc.) being eliminated. For the institution of marriage to be eliminated. For all cultures and peoples of the world to be merged into a single superculture.

you don't want norms
but you want to eliminate differences

you want individuality
but don't like how a lot of people have chosen to individuate

you don't want diveristy or difference
you prefer to imagine a harmonious monoculture

I think your vision is in self conflict.

You can't have a unifying culture with no norms. What is there to unify around?
You can't have maximum individuality while eliminating individual racial, sexuality, culture.

(culture, by the way, usually grows from the bottom up... somebody starts using slang, the people around them adopt it, fast forward, you've got a new language... people naturally separate and individuate, culture is a fractal and when you lean in real close, there is always a rough edge containing infinite complexity and diversity)

It reminds me of the libertarians that want freedom from government authority
and therefore support corporate tyranny

the bathwater and the baby fly into the wild blue yonder

First: This post rules.

Second: "I'm above it all" is the wankiest and most worthless response to ideological conflict.
Because unless you've got a spaceship, you're not above it all. You're in this mess with us.

The emperor may have no clothes, but neither do you, peasant.

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: March 18, 2018, 07:44:19 pm »
Whoever linked to that Shaun guy on Youtube - thank you.

I have been on a serious binge.

I think I may have at some point recently? I'll take credit and say you're welcome.

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