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I think I've made a mistake coming here.

I meant no ill will to anyone, but I looked this place up because I thought, perhaps weirdos would tolerate a discussion of any topic, but I don't think that's possible anywhere these days.

I think ideas, no matter what they may be can be discussed without a bunch of name-calling.

What I like to do, is throw out a controversial idea, one that is emotionally evocative and one that people often avoid addressing intellectually and then try looking at it from a lot of different vantage points. I liken it to putting an argument into a particle accelerator and letting it collide with another argument. You get a lot out of looking at the pieces.

Now you'll review the thread, you'll see how quickly the name-calling began.

I'm pretty thick-skinned, but I won't just play the name-calling game because it's boring. (not that I haven't in the past, but I'm pretty saturated with that nonsense and I'm ready to move on to other nonsense)

I can see that a lot of you are creative intelligent and no doubt well-meaning people, but only within certain borders. (Yes I have borders too and I'm not better than anyone else here...but I don't think I'm any worse either)

So anyway I'm not an important person for anyone to be concerned with, but I was PM'ed so I thought I'd reply in some way before I "flounced".


You see, though, you are not a political opponent, and all we have to judge you on is the content of your posts and what you offer in support of your assertions, which so far have been racist as fuck.

So there's that.

There is little point in reading or responding to you further, as the evidence so far indicates that you have nothing of intellectual value to offer.

So you feel completely justified.

Good for you.

It strikes me as rather lazy to just engage in name-calling every time someone disagrees with someone.

How do we know the person who just called someone a name isn't the embodiment of the epithet themselves?

We don't.

It reminds me of a story...

The year was 1948, as I recall, and Lyndon was running about 10 points behind, with only nine days to go…. He was sunk in despair. He was desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday, they say, when he called his equally depressed campaign manager and instructed him to call a press conference at two or two-thirty (just after lunch on a slow news day) and accuse his high-riding opponent (the pig farmer) of having routine carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children….

His campaign manager was shocked. “We can’t say that, Lyndon,” he said. “It’s not true.”

“Of course it’s not,” Johnson barked at him, “but let’s make the bastard deny it.”

Forcing everyone to read xerosaburu's posts would be socially unjust.

That's undoubtedly true.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Ancient Astronomy
« on: February 01, 2017, 03:25:37 am »
I knew I should have left the window on my time machine closed when I went back to tour the Parthenon.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: Collective Narcissism
« on: February 01, 2017, 03:24:00 am »
It sounds like a bunch of Hollywood actors or privileged rich university students.

I wouldn't choose to live in Hungary, however that's they way they decided to live.

It's up to them to choose to live differently insofar as they are able if they wish to.

V tb qbja ba fgenl qbtf va cnexvat ybgf sbe orre zbarl.

Really? Odd.

I wouldn't choose to live in Hungary, however that's they way they decided to live.

It's up to them to choose to live differently insofar as they are able if they wish to.

Why are you talking about me in the third person, mate? :)

I choose to live in Hungary, and this is most certainly not the way Hungarians chose to live. Government is infested with high-functioning sociopathic criminals. Seeing as the first thing they did after coming into power on the back of a successful populist campaign but most of all solid, nationwide dissatisfaction with the previous government (who were a bunch of corrupt losers, but nothing like the present cunts) was rewrite electoral law to ensure they get elected the next time, bought out or pushed out most of the media and spend massive amounts on lies and propaganda, I think it is fair to say that this is no longer a place where the majority decides the rules: unbridled greed for money and for power is the motivating force here.

Sorry about that. I didn't know that's where you lived?

What do people there think of Orban? (not saying you're not  a "people")

I wouldn't choose to live in Hungary, however that's they way they decided to live.

It's up to them to choose to live differently insofar as they are able if they wish to.

It's not racist to show that certain cultures have increased the crime rate in certain countries.

Racism is about race, not culture.

The misogyny, homophobia and whole-scale restriction of the rights women and LGBT's in these countries with these cultures presents a real threat which has to be acknowledged.

That's not racism.

But then again, I rather suspected this sort of reaction from some.

It makes me wonder how anyone would be able to argue successfully for not being something.

I'm thinking to myself here...How would someone prove that they weren't a racist?

He is just a racist. I point a country with one of the lowest crime rates in the world, with the best figures on recidivism, and he links to say that all the foreigners are infesting the country to commit rapes.

Literally a single crime made them slide from being in the top ten safest countries in the world, and that was committed by a man who killed 77 people because of Immigrants were ruining the country.

It's racist to make accusations about people when you disagree with them on some point.

But then again, that's the knee-jerk reaction of some.

False Dichotomy: you asked about socially unjust laws. The crime rate can fall through an unfair mechanism, and still be unjust.

Example: Jailing all the homeless people would result in homelessness being "solved".

That's totally true.

That's the problem. How to get the one without doing the other (and without all the emotional hand-wringing).

Feed forward control:
Root cause analysis as opposed to treating the symptoms. Certain crimes correlate to disenfranchised environments, and things like access to quality education, basic standards of living  etc reduce them.

Some crimes don't show any reduction regardless of enforcement policy: Heroin and drug use has never been as rampant, in every class and level of society: people want drugs, the only way to tackle that is reduce demand which means social change not legal.

Feed back control:
Encourage schemes that reduce recidivism. The American model is one of the worst in the world for recidivism, reduction of that is not a goal of for profit prison. In comparison the Norway model has a tenth of that. The core differences (apart from investment) are one acts as punitive, the other encourages responsibility of the individual and building them a trade to break an obvious repeating pattern.

I agree with all this except the business of Norway. Norway's having problems with cultural issues now and certain kinds of crimes because of the cultures which have been imported.

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