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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Indecision 08 Wingnut thread
« on: August 26, 2008, 04:46:03 pm »
The reason we have 3783 laws is that clever, greedy assholes always find a loophole, which then takes an additional law to plug it up.

Law is a formal system and thus suseptible to Godel's Incompleteness theorem.  You -can't- plug the holes. you can only move them around.  so you simply accept the inherent incompleteness or inconsitency, are rely on human intellect to deal with their abuse on a case by case basis.  Trying to 'fix' the system will simply cause it to grow unbounded.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Indecision 08 Wingnut thread
« on: August 26, 2008, 02:50:23 pm »
Hold on, there!
There's a big difference between knowing what the Machine™ will do, and having faith in it.
To understand that The Free Market only works in a universe without Greed or Duplicity isn't the same as having "faith" in Greed and Duplicity.

The Free Market does work, and although Greed and Duplicity seek to undermine it, that does not mean we should seek an inflexible centralized planning that will also be subject to the same, no?
I didn't say anything about having faith in Greed and Duplicity.

How is what I am saying advocating faith in "the machine"?
Or is this a case of "you don't like my candidate, therefore you must be against freedom" a la...well, pretty much every American candidate?  If you're going to engage in childish ad hominem attacks against me instead of debate my points, then I simply wont bother with doing detailed and researched articles, and instead will just cut straight to the slanging match.
Oh, and for the record, I've also criticized Obama (DLC "centrist" like Clinton), Clinton ("Bush but for abortions"), Edwards (voted for the wrong war, probably did something else wrong), Guiliani (annointed son of the Neocon foreign policy), McCain (unstable shameless whore), Huckabee (religious nutcase), Tancredo (hates Mexicans with a passion), Romney (bad taste in fiction) etc etc ad nauseum.  But never mind that, eh?

Ok, ok i apologize, i was rather dismissive and didn't mean to hurt feelings.  I certainly didn't mean to ad hominize you.  The articles that you linked to were rather inflammatory, though, and i feel made poorly substantiated claims. 
I'll shut up about it and just enjoin you in the bashing of the other puppets now....  :D

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Indecision 08 Wingnut thread
« on: August 26, 2008, 01:34:23 pm »
Ah.  I see clearly now.   :D
Thank you for sacrificing your breakfast.  I should at least let you know that i read it thoroughly.
I can't believe that i didn't see all this stuff from my vantage point!   :wink:
I'll try to have more faith in the machine, since that's how it operates in the real world.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Indecision 08 Wingnut thread
« on: August 26, 2008, 03:10:30 am »
Fair enough.
It seems that the largest sticking point is his rowdy band of supporters.  This is the primary reason i figured he would be popular in the Discordian circles.  They are diverse in their backgrounds and only loosely held together by a common interest in the reduction of the size and scope of centralized federal power.  This, of course, attracts 'strange bedfellows' and i view that as a wonderful trip.  I've never met such a fantastic crowd of the beautiful fringe held together with zealousness born from pent up frustration at the seemingly unstoppable descent into bureaucratic demise.

Of the voting record, i can't seem to find anything that should ring sour here.  The page you linked to misrepresents the aim of his legislation in my view.  I believe this is due to a complete denial of the ability for things of any import to be delegated to the several states rather than decided and handed down from the top.  In that context, all his 'no's seem to be pretty strange, but why shouldn't these things be left to the states? And why would our ilk support their inflexibly being determined at the federal level?  The flag burning thing does seem stupid, though..... Oh, and i disagree with him on the use of the death penalty at the federal level (we just need to administer it wisely)

Regarding his links..... What is 'proto-fascist'? and which militias of that sort is he linked to?  Please define 'far-right'.  It seems currently used as a euphemism for 'uber-hawkish', which is certainly not in keeping with RP's philosophy.  The Orcanus link you gave seems to give an explanation that his support was a conspiracy of conspiracy theorists, or some such nonsense, and tries to pin him with racism... that's a pretty good stretch there.

on your fourth point, i'm not quite sure what your angle is.  If one shares a view with someone else regarding a specific issue, are you saying that you should not cooperate to its' end unless you agree with all else they hold to?  Or are you saying that his conviction against foreign interventionism is a clever ruse carried out for decades?

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Indecision 08 Wingnut thread
« on: August 26, 2008, 12:13:45 am »
Ok. So i'm gonna out myself and paint a Ron Paul bumper sticker on my ass for you guys to kick.  Doing a quick search for his name on this board seems to indicate that he doesn't get a lotta respec.  (at least, the only things i saw were denouncements of his admittedly rabid and, to a certain extent, kooky following)
On a Discordian website, i didn't expect this.... i figured he would appeal more?

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Propaganda Depository / Re: Two Quick Mindfucks
« on: August 24, 2008, 03:49:11 am »
Excellent.  Love the Hornet one.
The MF is definitely there, but i thought it could use a little gag to it as well.  I summoned some OMgeneering skills and whipped together this 'hornet' to hide behind the poster.
a washer, rubberband, paperclip, 3x5 card, duct tape, pliers.
assemble as common sense would dictate, or delegate to someone cooler than yourself.
'wind up' washer and carefully tape up poster tautly, making sure not to allow 'hornet' to unwind.
It actually worked better than i had anticipated, plus it adds the 'bulge' mentioned in the poster itself.
Have fun!  :D

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