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Very cool ideas. I was gutted it was just a short outline though, i could have read that for hours.

more please.

everything

Thank you. Truly.

I fucked up. Pure and simple.

By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.

It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable.  And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.

What the fuck is psychtrance?  Is that the next generation of dubstep?

no idea.

psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....

Right.  So, dubstep.

*sighs*

would it matter if i said "no"?

By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.

It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable.  And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.

What the fuck is psychtrance?  Is that the next generation of dubstep?

no idea.

psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....

So music to pop E and twirl glow-sticks around to?

some of it, yes. some just stumble around to it, depends on what they've had.
but there are more ways to enjoy psy than just parties.

By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.

It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable.  And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.

What the fuck is psychtrance?  Is that the next generation of dubstep?

no idea.

psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....

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Why don't we just stop right now until you listen to the whole thing, ok?  It's obvious you haven't heard it, and I don't feel like talking to you about something you haven't even listened to yet.


And you can still do something if you want to.  I'm not stopping you.

dude, its obvious i havent heard it all because i told you in a PM. that is nothing you deduced. i also told you i was going to spend the next week looking into ALL of it.
posts, chunes, anything.

changed my mind now though. really not worth the bother, i get enough "alpha" rubbish from local yobs, i dont need it from a fellow musician too. sure ill listen anyway, and i know you wont be bothered by my descision not to contribute, at least not in public.

By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.

It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable.  And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.

not heard any of kais stuff yet. link me.

and as for it being genre appropriate, thats the point of that stuff, she's a classical pianist trying to capture the psytrance sound. she did a much better job than i did. nearest i got to it was "planeshifts" but im still not 100% happy with it.

we also realised that our respective sounds are nothing like the spider project, it was me that enquired about contributing to it though, not her. i thought it was a long shot, but i couldnt see any harm in asking.

so theres no room for techno with the spiders then?

For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.

assumptions again.

can you say "pi-an-o"?

can you say "gui-tar"?

can you say "vi-o-lin"???

not that we need to prove ourselves to you, but i definateley think you need to rethink assumptions. because we favour techno we cant possibly know what a haunting waltz the Danse Macabre is?

and youre using SM57s for vocals. is that deliberate?? and isnt the 52 for a kick?

You really need to re-read that post, especially to the band references, and then research the quality of production each one has.

Also: A microphone records sounds.  Each mic flavors the sound in a specific way.  Depending on what flavor you want, you use that mic.  There is no "wrong" choice.  So yes, I use a 57, a 52 (google "bass proximity effect"), the crappy condensor mic... I've even used the dictaphone function on my cellphone.  And if you recall, the other voices were recorded on the onboard mic of their computer.

That post of yours reveals volumes about how restrictive your brain is working.  

nope, no restrictions. just asking. i kind of assumed that it would be for effect, but i wasn't sure (or shure) if you had some trick or other up your sleeve that i didnt know about.

i beleive that i dont know everything. thats kinda why i use forums.

tell you what, ill stop with the sarcastic responses if youll talk to me on a level that isnt on a million foot high plinth.

and then we can talk turkey

For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.

assumptions again.

can you say "pi-an-o"?

can you say "gui-tar"?

can you say "vi-o-lin"???

not that we need to prove ourselves to you, but i definateley think you need to rethink assumptions. because we favour techno we cant possibly know what a haunting waltz the Danse Macabre is?

and youre using SM57s for vocals. is that deliberate?? and isnt the 52 for a kick?

Shub, your so called technical discussion was a bunch of nit picking about informed stylistic choices, not a simple back and forth about the various aspects of the production.  The fact that you decided to throw your weight around with your education on the subject in an attempt to add credence to your argument supports that you aren't interested in talking about it, but telling everyone else how much better you know about it than they do.  So really, if you're going to try to pull high ground on anyone, take a look at your own poor fucking choices here.

3D3N, your own criticism of the project sounds a lot less like a recommendation for improvement than it does a request to conform it to your own palate.

But hey, I don't have a fucking music degree, so feel free to self felate sitting on the bullshit thrones you've constructed for yourselves.

I'd like to also mention that this is Bring & Brag.  It's to show people what you've been working on, and without a specific request for criticism has very rarely been used as such.

so what makes you assume that when imin the studio tomorrow that i'm not going to test it out?

you guys can be so short sighted

and like i told roger, i NEVER claimed to be an expert. i said i was a n00b.

Shub doesn't care.  UR DOIN' IT WRONG IN SHUB'S EXPERT OPINION.

Everyone's a fucking producer.

thought you could read roger. obviously not.

nowhere do i state i am an expert, far from it in fact. try again

Unlimited thread time?

listen up dickhole, as much as you are entitled to your opinion, and entitled to express it, I am entitled to have a vocational discussion with people in my chosen field. If my view differs from theirs, does that make me less than human??? does that mean i waive my right to post???

I find it quite hypocritical that you outwardly profess a needfor "thinking for ones self", but as soon as someone with an opinion differing from an "alpha" on here you all get all hyper-shit-pelt-action.

But then you already know you are hypocrites,I've seen you all discussing it for years.

and you just get worse.

Yes roger, that is all you have to add to a technical discussion. Well done you angry muggle, i knew it wouldn't be long before you jumped in to save your "war-buddy" a-la grecque.

Just save the hatred for those that care, and next time you might want to find out a little about what "gas bags" are talking about before you steal someone elses insult to use at people using terms you might not understand.

Did you just say "muggle"?

   

you can read?????? awesome. teach me master.

It's ok.  I'm surprised it lasted this long.  Not gonna stop, though.

Shub, I do have a degree in music production and engineering, and while what you say is true about giving yourself a saftey net as far as dynamic range goes, a competent engineer will get the levels right the first time.  You're not adding anything to the mix, you're simply covering your own ass.  And, much like playing a Rickenbacker through a Big Muff and a Marshall stack, the kind of clarity they're referring to cannot be discerned in the majority of modern music.

And, for 3D3N's, and others' sake, I will endevour to provide a short essay about my philosophy of what The Spider Project "is", from its creation to its completion.

the essay is actually a good idea, for many reasons, clarity of your mission being one.

a competant engineer may get the levels right the first time, but a competant engineer should also consider that they are not infallible, and use all the tools at their disposal for the best possible result. not leaving yourself a safety net is how you end up on the floor with a broken spine. And no offence mate, but you didnt get them right first time. Im not telling you what to do, i am presenting you with what i have learned and been taught hopefully to expand BOTH our experiences (but im not so vain as to think that the way i know is the only way). I mean, is that not how you learn, through questioning discussing and practice???

This thread is no longer a fun exercise that LMNO is doing for the shit of it.

It is now a thread full of self-appointed fucking gasbags that should all drink drano and fucking die.  Each and every one of you wannabe expert shit-knockers.  Seriously.  Did you think you were going to IMPRESS anyone with your Goddamn bullshit?  Are we to stand in awe of your superior knowledge?  Are you expecting LMNO to redo everything to make YOU happy?

I fucking hate you all.  Die in a burning car wreck.  That is all.

Yes roger, that is all you have to add to a technical discussion. Well done you angry muggle, i knew it wouldn't be long before you jumped in to save your "war-buddy" a-la grecque.

Just save the hatred for those that care, and next time you might want to find out a little about what "gas bags" are talking about before you steal someone elses insult to use at people using terms you might not understand.

[A sensible headroom margin is essential when tracking, to avoid the risk of clipping and allow you to concentrate on capturing a great performance without panicking about the risk of 'overs'. A similar margin is also required when mixing, to avoid overloading the mix bus and plug-ins (yes, I know floating-point maths is supposed to make that irrelevant, but there are compromises involved that can be easily avoided by maintaining some headroom!).Once the mix is finished, the now redundant headroom can be removed, and that is a standard part of the mastering process for digital media like CD and MP3]

However, recording at 24 bit and then reducing to 16 bit is really fucking stupid.  Why record with a 144dB dynamic range and then crush it down to 96dB?  It's like completing an oil painting and then taking a black-and-white picture of it.

You don't "keep" the subtleties of 24 bit recording when you bounce down to 16; and unless you're releasing it as a DVD, you're never going to hear it, because no other commercial format supports it.

This is contrary to everything i have learned, in personal research, practice and at college doing a music tech diploma.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep10/articles/qa0910-1.htm

For the record:

A sensible headroom margin is essential when tracking, to avoid the risk of clipping and allow you to concentrate on capturing a great performance without panicking about the risk of 'overs'. A similar margin is also required when mixing, to avoid overloading the mix bus and plug-ins (yes, I know floating-point maths is supposed to make that irrelevant, but there are compromises involved that can be easily avoided by maintaining some headroom!).
Once the mix is finished, the now redundant headroom can be removed, and that is a standard part of the mastering process for digital media like CD and MP3[/i]

when you design a digital image (or "picture") you do it at the greatest possible manageable DPI, so that you lose less quality when you reduce its resolution. The same is true of audio. More room for maneuvering is always preferable to the perfectionist, or just someone who is serious about their art.


http://www.homerecordingconnection.com/forum.php?action=view_thread&id=2417&frm=1

Just to oversimplify - if you are recording at 24 bit then you can afford to run the signal far less "hot", and as a result you can bypass the need for a compressor "limiting" the signal to ensure you used all the available bitdepth ('cos 16bit isn't a lot).

Once the signal is in the PC, you can apply software compression to get things more under control.

Now, i don't profess to be an authority on Audio (yet, a degree in acoustics is going to sort that right out though ) but this error seems obvious to an academic audio n00b like myself.........