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I can say that I don't mind the ACLU, the bavarian illuminati, the federal reserve bank, the bilderberg group, the council on foreign relations, microsoft, the bush administration, earth coincidence control center, the NSA, the project MK-ULTRA, MK-NAOMI, COINTELPRO, and Paperclip members, and the dog damn venusians while still not agreeing with a number of things they do publically and fearing a number of the things they might do nefariously, because I figure that even if they are shitting on people, their intention probably isn't to shit on everyone for the hell of it.

Its the lizard people from the lower fifth dimention and NASA's project blue beam you have to worry about not all that.

When space babies rupture from your eyelids and rape your nose, don't say I did not warn you. repeatedly. with mumbles. on a street corner. with gestures and wild rantings.

don't ever say that. that's what my teeth say ...

This is why i love you guys.  In that Uncle that hugs too long kinda way. 

[human]

He can be whatever he wants, doesn't really matter as he is a bloody stinkin politician human.  So yeah, my mistake, labels do not apply aside from Politician. 

Fixed.

Are you sure politicians are human?  I was of the mind that they were spawned from some strange fungus that grew under under the seat cushions of the house of Representatives.

Sometimes, being innocent isn't that safe

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/04/01/heads-i-win-tails-you-lose-another-way-to-do-the-time-even-if-you-didn-t-do-the-crime.aspx

Not only have many defendants been sentenced for stuff the jury said they didn't do (or at least wasn't proven), but yesterday the Supreme Court refused to do anything about it. The cert denial came in the case of Mark Hurn of my hometown, Madison, Wis. Hurn ate 15 years extra years in prison for possessing crack cocaine, even though a jury acquitted him of the charge. It's true. Though he was convicted of having powder cocaine in his house, (for which he was looking at two or three years in prison), he was sentenced to almost 18 years. Why? Because even though the jury acquitted him of the crack charge, the judge kind of figured he'd done it and therefore found, by a preponderance of the evidence that he'd done it, and sent him to prison as if the jury had actually said "Guilty" rather than "Not Guilty."

See, halfbaked?  You were right about the ACLU.  They'd try to do something about this shit on 5th and 6th amendment grounds, and we can't have that, can we?

I oft times find myself agreeing with the ACLU when it comes to civil liberties.  But i do not trust them because they seem to be slanted to an overly liberal side of things and that is corrupt as it gives the appearance of having personal interest in one side or another.  I want all religion out of schools for instance, but I seldom see the ACLU go to bat when anyone other than the Christian types do something.  Not saying that I see everything the ACLU does though, I am no watchdog, but the ones where they go after Christians seem to get noticed more.

Their work in the Civil Rights of minorities is laudable, but that is only one aspect.  I expect them to be impartial to all parties because Civil Liberties are not just for some, but for all.  However, since civil liberties only exist in reality due to society then I wonder what they use as a measuring stick for their activities.  The Constitution has been stepped on for years IMO, so if they are using that document then they are seemingly one of very, very few.

Nightwish-Amaranth...well I was before I had to go to work 

I don't trust any bureaucracy, I feel they are all inherently corrupt, but that is simply my opinion and since they are in charge then there is not much I can do aside from my little acts of mindfuck to try and make the sheep become not sheep. 

But I was wrong about my Anarchistic delusions.  And it's thanks to you lot that I realized it.  It bothers me that I am still so hung up on labels, but I think I am smart enough to realize that I am nowhere near done in rewriting the way I think.  My apologies if I was unneccessarily confrontational in my replies.

Yup!  I am a moron.
But luckily i am a genius compared to the morons that I live around, so i don't fuckin care dude.  Sooner or later we are all morons and most of us don't care.  I do wish I were more of a moron so that I wouldn't see the world going to hell sans hand basket, but I do.  So all I can say is get over it TGRR, but you did give me a smile so thanks, now I can go all sleepy time.

Yes, the ACLU is your enemy, the cops only arrest innocent people, and Rush Limbaugh will explain it all to you later.

I don't truts the ACLU, nor the cops, can't stand Limbaugh.  I hate having to look at several different news sources just to get a look at the truth between the lines.  But you have a point, I have called myself an Anarchist simply because I really didn't know where I fit in...but I have taken up Discord as my way of looking at things so really that trumps Anarchism and in a better way.  That answers my question from my first post, thanks for helping me with that guys.

He can be whatever he wants, doesn't really matter as he is a bloody stinkin politician.  So yeah, my mistake, labels do not apply aside from Politician. 

Yup!  I am a moron.
But luckily i am a genius compared to the morons that I live around, so i don't fuckin care dude.  Sooner or later we are all morons and most of us don't care.  I do wish I were more of a moron so that I wouldn't see the world going to hell sans hand basket, but I do.  So all I can say is get over it TGRR, but you did give me a smile so thanks, now I can go all sleepy time.

Okay, I am guessing that what I said has been misunderstood and that I have epic failed at trying to convey my sentiments.  Let me try to explain without my characteristic snarkiness and sarcasm.

1.  I didn't say the coffee was undrinkable, just that they want too much for coffee.  As though it were extracted from the teet of a god/goddess.  The pretentiousness of the names they give coffee was another point, but who is really the crazy one?  Starbucks for selling coffee for $5 a pop, or the people who pay $5 for a cup joe?

2.  I am very aware of the plight of actual third world countries, I am saying that the States are headed there if they don't do something.  The fact that I am tired of waiting is why I am an Anarchist of some sort because I think that we need a radical restructuring to accomplish anything.

3.  As I live in a place where any non accepted political practices are considered very UNCOOL, I have had NO exposure to other people of truly anarchistic tendencies.  Thus I have had to piece together my own ideals and concepts. 

My beliefs are essentially Discordian and I agree with most things that are said here, but I also have my own mind about things and I truly do not care if you lot disapprove.  But I felt that what I had said was not represented well so I have taken this time to clarify.  Perhaps I am not truly an Anarchist, I don't know, I haven't had the opportunity to find out until now.  Perhaps being a Discordian is enough.  I don't know, but I am trying to find out and I appreciate the...critiques of what I thought.

I have identified myself as an Anarchist of late. 

Well, this thread is good for one thing.  Flushes out the Starbucks crowd.

I didn't realize that I fit the descriptor until recently either mate.  Just like I didn't realize that I was best suited to Discordianism until I found the Principia and started to grasp the tenets.  Like I said, I have not read as much on the subject as I would like, and I intend to deal with that.  The point of my inquiry is not to make myself seem like I am something or somebody, but rather to get a better understanding of the term since I have people like you guys who have already delved into it.  I am a n00b, I realize that and I want to wrap my pitiful little chunk of gray matter around the concpts that I am now becoming aware of. 

And just for reference, I can't stand Starbucks.  When I want coffee I want COFFEE not this Vente Drip bullshit they talk about and I don't wanna spend five bucks for the crap that the peddle.  The fuck is that stuff, caffeine from the teet of Eris herself or what?

Obama is a politician, he is a Liberal, and he may very well have socialistic leanings, but he is a capitalistic, power grubbing politician to be certain.  Anything he says is to get the sheep to vote for him and has no basis in what he actually believes that he can do.  No politician would be better at it, some could have been worse.  I just keep watching as civilization slides inexorably toward collapse and continue to hope that the asteroid/comet/solar flare would just happen so that it can all be said and done with.

HA!  We have people breaking into houses all the time now doing all the stuff that you mention Jenne.  And most of the time they either get away or get slaps on the wrist, depending on whether the ACLU decides to step in on the behalf of some lame ass git that they think has lived an underpriveleged life.  Roads?  Have you seen some of the roads these days?  They are disintegrating, as are the bridges and the power grids.  If this is the result of a governments kindly intervention then complete Anarchy might be a step up as then everyone will at least be slitting each others throats honestly.  While the government whines about people being uncivil at Town Hall meetings and and who should be covered by a public option insurance, where is the money to repair and maintain the infrastructure of America, a so-called Super Power?  We are only a few major storms or earthquakes away from being a third world style nation, if not in whole then in regions.  Of course I can only speak for the United States as far as this goes.

Fomenter, I appreciate what you said, I suppose I am one of the Rational Anarchists as I do actually have a vision of a form of decentralized governmental system.  I would not think that the masses could find their own assholes without some form of government to create a PSA about it.

I have identified myself as an Anarchist of late.  I had trepidations about doing so because peopel around here are very politically conscious and religiously conscious as well.  I use the term conscious loosely, but they pay attention to these things here.  But I must say that my coming to the conclusion that I am an Anarchist was born of revelations in how I viewed the existing governments of the world, those revelations being that I do not feel that the government of any nation has the right, morally or otherwise, to tell me how to live.  I am guided by the rational ideas that killing someone for insufficient reasons is simply wasteful of materiel, that stealing is a weak persons way of attaining things that they could do with a suitable application of work.  Various other moral concepts I have are based on my own thoughts on why things are unwise to do.  Does this mean that I am an Anarchist?  I have not read many of the sociological treatises and essays that you folks have so I am hoping you may illuminate me in this matter.

Unfortunately, Enki has a point.

I don't have to like it.

If mainstream society is behaving in a more Discordian fashion than they used to, what does it matter if they read a stupid pamphlet written by a bunch of acid freaks or not? Our principles remain valid.

Since when does "valid" matter?  I just want to see shit fall over.  Because I hate monkeys.  I hate everything about them, but mostly I hate how they will take anything nice, and fuck it up with their monkeyness (for proof of which I need only point at the bill of rights).  I want to see Fat City tear itself into pieces, catch fire, fall over, and sink into the swamp.  I have been stockpiling smores for this very occasion.

I am the Halfbaked1, and I approve of this message.  Not that TGRR gives a flying rip, but I do.

And if you don't pay it the IRS will be all over you like the paper boy from One Crazy Summer.