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I hate robots.  :crankey:

Okay so no aliens no robots... No humans kind of goes without saying.

Is there anything that might potentially bear Consciousness that you don't hate? Like would you be cool if we discovered a terrestrial animal other than humans was conscious?

IF IT'S POLAR BEARS, OUT THEY GO!

 :lulz: :lulz:

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I hate robots.  :crankey:

Okay so no aliens no robots... No humans kind of goes without saying.

Is there anything that might potentially bear Consciousness that you don't hate? Like would you be cool if we discovered a terrestrial animal other than humans was conscious?

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High Weirdness / Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« on: July 09, 2019, 09:07:59 pm »
Just for posterity
The Mandela Effect is just false memories + the sleeper effect.


The mechanism is that when you imagine something that happened in the past, at first, your brain can easily tell the difference between the real memory and the imagined scenario. But that imagined scenario gets stored much like a real memory does.

Over time, the "metadata" decays--it becomes harder to distinguish the real memory from the imagined one. The weaker a memory, the more vulnerable you are to being misled by false memories.



like


Do you remember how it rained during your prom?

imagine that

imagine it really hard, visualize it, tell me some details about it




10 years from now, you won't be so sure it didn't rain.

Sounds like a nice, tidy, and perfectly sensible explanation. But is it correct in being "just" that? Surely some of the reported differences are just this or even full blown psychosis in action, but in your guts and expanded awareness you're working on are you certain?

Folks are willing to fight over this stuff. The bible stuff alone is enough to cause some serious Strife indeed.

The reason the False Memory effect is so pervasive about events that happened 10+ years ago is because the mind is so suggestible. All it takes to generate a false memory is a leading question.

This is the reason that there was a whole "Satanic Ritual Abuse" scare in the 90s.. therapists at the time were big into "recovered memories", and would ask children leading questions at what they suspected happened. "Did you ever see satanists in the woods?" -- "Did the satanists do anything to you?"  Kids think about it, and gosh, they do remember something now that you mention it! Lots of people went to jail over this, the head of the american psychological association (Elizabeth Loftus) proved that these forms of testimony (based on children's memory recovery) are unreliable at best, and basically had to flee to Australia because she got a lot of innocent people (assumed to be satanic child abusers) out of jail. And you know how we hate that.

This is why leading questions are not allowed in court. If you ask somebody "Was there a big red stop sign at the intersection?" they will say yes, like, 30-40% of the time, even if there was no stop sign.  If you don't lead with that image, and just ask them to describe the intersection, very few people report a stop sign.

Every article I've seen about the Mandella effect asks leading questions. They will say "Remember the Berenstein bears? Turns out it's always been spelled Berenstain." They lead with the false information first, and suddenly, you can't distinguish the weak memory of how that word is spelled and the image you just visualized.



In my gut, do I think this explains all of the Mandella effect phenomenon? Yes, actually. I haven't seen a single instance of the Mandella effect that can't be explained via false memory, misinformation, or the simple conflation of two elements you barely remember. Not to mention, lots of trolls have generated images that make it more confusing.


Honestly, what do you think is more likely? That people have trouble remembering forgettable media and news items from 20 years ago, or that we're in a bizarro universe where history changes, but only about super minor things like Sinbad's acting career?

I think it's much more likely that memory is fallible and is not an exact record.


The most likely answer is not always the truth. I do not have an infallible memory. I am not impervious to suggestion. I do remember a great many familiar things differently than they are now.

Were I alone in this I would chalk it up to something not unlike what you described Cramulus. Thing is I'm not alone in this. I had never even heard of the Mandela effect until it was brought to my attention buy some friends, but I did notice certain changes Before they did.

One that stands out particularly clearly in my mind is Froot Loops. I always knew it as Fruit Loops. I remember thinking to myself that it was a little odd but perhaps they had changed it for marketing purposes. I found out later that this was one of the better known Mandela effects. When I was last hospitalized in 2018 the breakfast menu said Fruit Loops on it instead of the proper name that it has always had...  Apparently.

 Whoever put the menu together spelled all the other cereal names correctly,  but not this one. were it not for my personal experiences and the notoriety of that particular Mandela effect I would have written it off as a simple typo, but I believe it wasn't. I believe whoever put the menu together spelled correctly something that they remember, but the name is no longer spelled that way and never has been spelled any other way than Froot Loops.

I don't expect my personal testimony to sway your opinion. I give it to highlight the fact that at least for me the 'most likely reason' that you proposed does not jive with my personal experience and the experiences of very large numbers of other people.

Perhaps I'm not being rational, not using Occam's razor properly or something. But what if, and I'm just saying what if, the cosmos is in fact irrational and full of mysterious things and events? It certainly seems that way to me. The Mandela effect isn't even the weirdest thing I've experienced... Incidentally I don't care to talk about the weirdest thing I've experienced, but in my world rational reductionism is folly. There's too much that is not understood About the cosmos and the world that we live in.

There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophies, or whatever.

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High Weirdness / Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« on: July 09, 2019, 04:26:00 am »
Just a note on a more recently noticed Mandela effect.

Ed McMahon never worked for Publishers Clearing House. I had to do some research on this one cuz I just couldn't believe it, but it's true. I have distinctive and very clear memories of the old commercials featuring him and Publishers Clearing House. There are more recent Mandela effects but this one was the most noteworthy and to my mind least able to be construed as a simple slip of the memory. LOTS of people remember him as an icon of the 80s and 90s.

And I find more really weird ones I'll post them here, but this one was so visceral it actually gave me a bit of a headache. It's worse than Hitler's blue eyes.

At least that one makes sense. There was a competing company that nobody remembers the name of, and none of us were emotionally invested enough in the magazine subscription wars to notice the ads weren't for the same company.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/11/21/the-curious-case-of-ed-mcmahon-and-the-publishers-clearing-house/#5d47d9d21b70

The company that he did work for was called American Family publishers. But he never left the studio to Ambush families with giant checks.

Thing is I have very clear memories of him doing exactly that. The memories are quite anomalous when compared to the current evidence before my senses. When I was a child I remember asking my dad if something like that could happen to us. I remember him explaining to me that you had to buy magazines for there to be a chance of it happening.

I will not abandon the solidity of these memories for some ethereal notion that they didn't happen and that I must have made them up. As far as I'm personally concerned the world changed. Why I don't know. How I don't know. I only know that there is discontinuity from a great many things collectively known as the Mandela effect, and that I'm not the only one experiencing this By far.

As do I.  I feel as the current narrative is the incorrect one.

And it's retroactive back in time quite a ways considering the biblical ones go back to at least the translation of the King James version of the Bible. I really wish I could read Isaiah in the original Hebrew just to confirm some things.. 

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High Weirdness / Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« on: July 09, 2019, 04:23:34 am »
https://www.nme.com/blogs/music-mandela-effects-question-everything-2460038

Since the thread is apparently now taking a musical turn I'll just leave this here. I'm not much of a musical aficionado, but I distinctly at least remember the one from Queen. We Are the Champions now ends just a bit early.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: July 09, 2019, 04:17:53 am »
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead. X2

He was a skinhead
And nobody sorry
No political platform for
The fascist scum
Think they want some
So here it comes

La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding

My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2

I can see you're angry
Well I can show thee
Milkshakes that kill proud boys
They're not store bought
Just don't get caught
Mask up if you're smart

La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding

My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2
Damnit, I can tell when Dok parodies Mairzy Doats, but you put this shit in front of me and suddenly I can't figure out the tune.

Good song though, me like. :lol:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i4YutyVP7ig

There's a third verse to the song but It was late and I ran out of Creative Juice.

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High Weirdness / Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« on: July 09, 2019, 12:36:43 am »
In False Memory research, they call it the "sleeper effect"

Misinformation can create a false memory. Like if I said "Remember when the default forum theme was all pastels, titled 'Closet Homo in Key West'?" I've mislead you into imagining that totally fictional event.

At first, it's easy to distinguish the imaginary experience from your actual memory.

But over time, the mental little label decays. You stop being able to distinguish the imaginary experience from the memory. You assume the imaginary experience really happened. But that never happened.

MY ENTIRE LIFE IS A LIE!  :cry:

Don't feel bad. It may just be that everyone's entire life is a lie.

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High Weirdness / Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« on: July 09, 2019, 12:35:41 am »
In False Memory research, they call it the "sleeper effect"

Misinformation can create a false memory. Like if I said "Remember when the default forum theme was all pastels, titled 'Closet Homo in Key West'?" I've mislead you into imagining that totally fictional event.

At first, it's easy to distinguish the imaginary experience from your actual memory.

But over time, the mental little label decays. You stop being able to distinguish the imaginary experience from the memory. You assume the imaginary experience really happened. But that never happened.

I'm sure that what you described does happen of course. My only argument is a matter of scale as relates to the Mandela effect. There are probably millions of people that have experienced this discontinuity of memory. How could they all remember the same difference? How is it that they could all have been exposed to and adopted the same false memory ? I don't think that this sleeper effect you speak of accounts for the sheer scale of the phenomenon. I would like to believe it. That would be more comfortable To just chalk it up to my own fallibility.

But It's Not Just Me

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High Weirdness / Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« on: July 09, 2019, 12:26:37 am »
Just a note on a more recently noticed Mandela effect.

Ed McMahon never worked for Publishers Clearing House. I had to do some research on this one cuz I just couldn't believe it, but it's true. I have distinctive and very clear memories of the old commercials featuring him and Publishers Clearing House. There are more recent Mandela effects but this one was the most noteworthy and to my mind least able to be construed as a simple slip of the memory. LOTS of people remember him as an icon of the 80s and 90s.

And I find more really weird ones I'll post them here, but this one was so visceral it actually gave me a bit of a headache. It's worse than Hitler's blue eyes.

At least that one makes sense. There was a competing company that nobody remembers the name of, and none of us were emotionally invested enough in the magazine subscription wars to notice the ads weren't for the same company.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/11/21/the-curious-case-of-ed-mcmahon-and-the-publishers-clearing-house/#5d47d9d21b70

The company that he did work for was called American Family publishers. But he never left the studio to Ambush families with giant checks.

Thing is I have very clear memories of him doing exactly that. The memories are quite anomalous when compared to the current evidence before my senses. When I was a child I remember asking my dad if something like that could happen to us. I remember him explaining to me that you had to buy magazines for there to be a chance of it happening.

I will not abandon the solidity of these memories for some ethereal notion that they didn't happen and that I must have made them up. As far as I'm personally concerned the world changed. Why I don't know. How I don't know. I only know that there is discontinuity from a great many things collectively known as the Mandela effect, and that I'm not the only one experiencing this By far.

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High Weirdness / Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« on: July 08, 2019, 09:36:44 am »
Just a note on a more recently noticed Mandela effect.

Ed McMahon never worked for Publishers Clearing House. I had to do some research on this one cuz I just couldn't believe it, but it's true. I have distinctive and very clear memories of the old commercials featuring him and Publishers Clearing House. There are more recent Mandela effects but this one was the most noteworthy and to my mind least able to be construed as a simple slip of the memory. LOTS of people remember him as an icon of the 80s and 90s.

And I find more really weird ones I'll post them here, but this one was so visceral it actually gave me a bit of a headache. It's worse than Hitler's blue eyes.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: July 08, 2019, 09:28:49 am »
As to how I'm doing recently... Mix of good and bad. I lost my girlfriend. We're still friends but the relationship part of things is over. I also couldn't hold down the job I was working. The work was simple. The people were professional, even friendly. I just kept getting these massive anxiety attacks and even got physically ill on the line.

To make things more complicated by the end of July I'm leaving lacrosse and heading back to my hometown, there to live under my father's roof until I can get a job and an apartment of my own Once again.

There's more but I don't know that I'm ready to talk about it. Suffice it to say that I have a deep and Grievous difference of opinion with my family on a great many things. But we do love each other and I must depend upon them now more than ever as I attempt to pull my life together.

I hope all the rib injuries heal quickly. I've been quietly lurking for a while, but I hope to start posting more frequently in the future.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: July 08, 2019, 09:19:03 am »
My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead. X2

He was a skinhead
And nobody sorry
No political platform for
The fascist scum
Think they want some
So here it comes

La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding

My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2

I can see you're angry
Well I can show thee
Milkshakes that kill proud boys
They're not store bought
Just don't get caught
Mask up if you're smart

La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding
La la, la la, la
Mix one up
La la, la la, la
Proud boys are bleeding

My milkshake hit a proud boy in the head
It was concrete, and it cracked his Dome
Damn right, it cracked his Dome.
Nobody sorry that he wound up dead X2

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: May 18, 2019, 07:56:54 am »
Well hello again Nigel! Welcome back to PD.  :)





Went to the gym for the first time since my back injury last year.

I am sore, but it's good to be somewhat active again.



Glad to hear that you're on the mend. I didn't know you'd hurt your back. I've been taking atrocious amounts of Naproxen getting used to the job I'm doing. I highly recommended for muscle aches of all kinds. It's also an anti-inflammatory. But if you drink on it your insides will melt or something.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: OK YOU FUCKS LET'S GET SOME SHIT STRAIGHT
« on: May 10, 2019, 01:44:25 am »
Interacting with content on the facebook page will help more people see it, if you don't mind? I'll be trying to get at least one relevant post up a day, but we'll see where I actually land on that front.

Send me an invite to the page.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: OK YOU FUCKS LET'S GET SOME SHIT STRAIGHT
« on: May 09, 2019, 09:12:09 pm »
More power to you QG!  :mittens:

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