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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Comments on The Devil's Discordian Dictionary

« on: June 21, 2011, 12:18:33 am »

11.  The Truth: (Noun)  This is possibly the most important concept in this list.  Truth is often mistaken for religioun, philosophy, or principles.  This, of course, is incorrect.

Truth is, in the plainest terms, the way things really are, as opposed to the way we'd like things to be.  The truth can change with conditions (ie, it's true that the sky is clear here today, but that may not be true tomorrow), or even with perspective (a simple lesson in relativity will demonstrate that), but it is not subject to opinion or wishful thinking or even the strident demands of those in authority.

Needless to say, telling the truth will not make you popular at parties, because most peoples' most closely held beliefs are not based on truth.  In fact, there isn't a single political philosophy that is based on truth, nor any religions (at least, not that can be proven).  Communism doesn't work, no matter how badly you want it to.  Neither does laissez faire capitalism, anarchy, or anything else that deviates from the primate pack mentality (Constitutional monarchy does just fine, as does a democracy/republic so long as there is a president/prime minister/whatever to represent the alpha of the pack).  The reason for this is that the truth is that we are primates, and we act like primates, so - at least in a group of any size - we need alphas, and the rules that they enforce.

Sometimes it's not always desirable to TELL the truth ("My, what an ugly bride"), but it is always desirable to see and understand it, unless you're the kind of person who likes walking around cacti with a blindfold on.

In short, the truth is the way things are, whether or not you like it or care to see it.  You can often get away with ignoring it, but eventually, you're gonna get bit.

The truth is a horrible thing.  It isn't always noble, it's rarely pleasing, and it can sometimes even drive you mad.  But it is the only thing worth having.

I wholeheartedly agree and have often tried to illustrate this principal in rants.  I like to find utility in the "softer" truths.  A principal I call "True Enough"  If you find yourself on top of a jungle temple about to have your heart cut out to feed the gods it no longer matters if those gods are real.  The temple is real. The sun glinting off that obsidian dagger is real.  The theology enthusiast holding it is real and so are his crazy-dance thoughts about you.  He thinks the gods are real and that he's their go-to guy. Then gods become pointedly real seeming to you thanks to him.  They're real enough to cause change in human behavior that makes it real.

Early protohumans really got to banging rocks for a long time. At some point the truth of the environment started getting through to their minds and they realized not all rocks are equally useful.  The banging got more serious when the truth that some rocks can break others into far more useful rocks was discovered.  This also got us the FIRE!  This basic rock alchemy got us through a lot but I think the tendency may have turned on us with our newfangled toys.  It is the truth that banging rocks is a time-honored human skill.  I think it may become true that the subatomic rocks we keep banging burn us in the end.  Truth is a horrible taste that never goes away.

The common ground between the gods and our rock habit is another truth.  It is true that humans can manifest their imaginations of the world into the world and change it and other humans in functionally irreversible ways.  This is what is most godlike to me about us.  This terrible responsibility used to keep me awake when I was much younger and full of more theological pretensions than I hold now.  I think that is was no real lie (in the Big Story) when the serpent allegedly said "You won't surely die.  The Gster's holding out on you.  When you eat it your eyes will become open like God, knowing good and evil" in two senses.  1. I think we already were Godlike monkey stuff.  2. Whatever really happened we sure did learn a lot and may yet find the means to life. It is true enough that our species faces godlike choices.

Gonna hang out in the real now.  Peace and be happy for it's own sake!

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Apple Talk / Re: Oh my lord.

« on: June 20, 2011, 08:29:25 pm »

We ache to show each other how much fun we're having,
how authentic we are.

Rather than being satisfied by the experience itself,
we have become collectors of experiences.

A butterfly, mounted on a pin, kept under glass
A label underneath it reads "23 people Like this".



Another link suggests that we "share" this experience.




I'm guilty of it too. I feel like I need to distinguish myself from this sea of people in order to maintain a sense of self & identity. And facebook is a theater designed for that. These days, if you don't have a facebook account, you may miss the party invitation altogether. I won't disagree that facebook has helped me connect and stay in contact with a lot of wonderful human beings who would otherwise be outside my peripheral vision. But it's also a trap, it is meant to confuse the experience with the image of the experience.

I wonder if it's a matter of "giving people what they want" that made it so popular.  I mean there are plenty of dirty head tricks in the experience such as the "like" effect/Icon being you symbolically also liking FB.  I get some stuff like that, but think it's just (ruthlessly) capitalizing on an instinct people already have for connecting to other people.  It can be abused of course,and I can see such things accelerating and strengthening the social walls we already put up with a new layer of technical costs and knowledge.  What really disturbed me about the video was getting younglings to get used to being tracked while having meaningless fun. They'll over time associate checking in with at least a mild pleasantness.  May also lead to a social world context where dropping off the map or not having a good time are a fast way to get snubbed.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Okay, So You Found Us, and We're Not What You Expected.

« on: June 20, 2011, 07:46:54 pm »

My money is on "he's trying to be funny/clever" or he's schizophrenic.

Yeah guess that could've come off as kind of asinine, but I was in a mood.  Do not be alarmed.  There may be other times that I don't hit the mark as well.

You're not alarming, you're kind of tedious.

Well, I'm not schizophrenic either.  I came here to share art and play at the games you all set up for yourselves.  I hope to keep doing that until I run out of time or interest. I'm pretty serious about a lot of things in life, but want to have fun here. I've been enjoying MUCH more reading than posting and think some of you are very talented and others are jerks.  Some of you are truly gifted jerks and it scares me a little.  If you tolerate my posts and non-witty moments maybe I'll happen to provoke and entertain you some day.

Dadaism isn't entertaining.  Neither is word salad...Especially since we've seen it about once a month for 9 years.  Be yourself...You don't have to wow us on your first day.

Fair Enough good Doktor.  I'm still a little new to forums generally.  I'll slowly post more audio links in the audioautoerotica thread I set up.  Those probably reflect my thoughts and desire to entertain better anyway.  In the mean time I'll try to tuck it back in my posts a bit, but I set up a thread in OR KILL ME expressly to characterize from parts of a story I've been putting together.

Are there any Nessies in it?

I think I read elsewhere on the forum that some folks hunt these down in power armor, but I don't know what they are other than perhaps hungry.  Got any photos?

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Apple Talk / Re: Son of Unbridled Punnery. Bastard!

« on: June 20, 2011, 04:35:58 pm »

If you receive an unwelcome proposal from a lover hand then a melon and say "I'm sorry but I can't elope."

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Propaganda Depository / Re: Audioautoerotica

« on: June 20, 2011, 03:15:18 pm »

This is another one in the same Open Mike series.  Sound qual is lower than the rest cuz I left the recorder in a poor spot, but it went pretty well.  I also put it up on the original post for convenience.


I, Us, Them: Fear




Edited to redirect link to Kiwi6.com  You may need to refresh the screen if Kiwi6 lags and says it's buffering for too long.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Okay, So You Found Us, and We're Not What You Expected.

« on: June 20, 2011, 02:44:43 pm »

My money is on "he's trying to be funny/clever" or he's schizophrenic.

Yeah guess that could've come off as kind of asinine, but I was in a mood.  Do not be alarmed.  There may be other times that I don't hit the mark as well.

You're not alarming, you're kind of tedious.

Well, I'm not schizophrenic either.  I came here to share art and play at the games you all set up for yourselves.  I hope to keep doing that until I run out of time or interest. I'm pretty serious about a lot of things in life, but want to have fun here. I've been enjoying MUCH more reading than posting and think some of you are very talented and others are jerks.  Some of you are truly gifted jerks and it scares me a little.  If you tolerate my posts and non-witty moments maybe I'll happen to provoke and entertain you some day.

Dadaism isn't entertaining.  Neither is word salad...Especially since we've seen it about once a month for 9 years.  Be yourself...You don't have to wow us on your first day.

Fair Enough good Doktor.  I'm still a little new to forums generally.  I'll slowly post more audio links in the audioautoerotica thread I set up.  Those probably reflect my thoughts and desire to entertain better anyway.  In the mean time I'll try to tuck it back in my posts a bit, but I set up a thread in OR KILL ME expressly to characterize from parts of a story I've been putting together.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Okay, So You Found Us, and We're Not What You Expected.

« on: June 20, 2011, 01:44:11 pm »

My money is on "he's trying to be funny/clever" or he's schizophrenic.

Yeah guess that could've come off as kind of asinine, but I was in a mood.  Do not be alarmed.  There may be other times that I don't hit the mark as well.

You're not alarming, you're kind of tedious.

Well, I'm not schizophrenic either.  I came here to share art and play at the games you all set up for yourselves.  I hope to keep doing that until I run out of time or interest. I'm pretty serious about a lot of things in life, but want to have fun here. I've been enjoying MUCH more reading than posting and think some of you are very talented and others are jerks.  Some of you are truly gifted jerks and it scares me a little.  If you tolerate my posts and non-witty moments maybe I'll happen to provoke and entertain you some day.

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Apple Talk / Re: How to pass the time?

« on: June 20, 2011, 01:04:10 am »

Well you could start start playing roleplaying games.  Maybe work up to a full scale live action group.  Then you may put together a small caravan of gypsy wagons to sell various Renaissance-fair like trinkets in the local city square just to support your gaming habit and buy snacks.  Perhaps you could dress like Amish people and pass out nicely made fliers that make the lifestyle look posh compared to the apocalyptic death sure to befall them if they keep "Livin' English."  Could go to a Unitarian church that's having a "Bakesale for Haiti" day and offer a 50 dollar bill wrapped up in crazy dada in exchange for the leftovers that don't sell.  Find out how many folks are still suckers for snake oil, then sell them bottom dollar snake oil cut with whatever oil is cheapest at the local grocery store.  Run out of steam, literally.

WAYSA?

Uh, I don't know what that means so I'm going with maybe.

"Why Are You Still Alive?"

Personal choice and good fortune.  You?

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Or Kill Me / Re: Okay, So You Found Us, and We're Not What You Expected.

« on: June 20, 2011, 12:39:23 am »

My money is on "he's trying to be funny/clever" or he's schizophrenic.

Yeah guess that could've come off as kind of asinine, but I was in a mood.  Do not be alarmed.  There may be other times that I don't hit the mark as well.

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Apple Talk / Re: How to pass the time?

« on: June 20, 2011, 12:20:30 am »

Well you could start start playing roleplaying games.  Maybe work up to a full scale live action group.  Then you may put together a small caravan of gypsy wagons to sell various Renaissance-fair like trinkets in the local city square just to support your gaming habit and buy snacks.  Perhaps you could dress like Amish people and pass out nicely made fliers that make the lifestyle look posh compared to the apocalyptic death sure to befall them if they keep "Livin' English."  Could go to a Unitarian church that's having a "Bakesale for Haiti" day and offer a 50 dollar bill wrapped up in crazy dada in exchange for the leftovers that don't sell.  Find out how many folks are still suckers for snake oil, then sell them bottom dollar snake oil cut with whatever oil is cheapest at the local grocery store.  Run out of steam, literally.

WAYSA?

Uh, I don't know what that means so I'm going with maybe.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Okay, So You Found Us, and We're Not What You Expected.

« on: June 18, 2011, 07:11:35 pm »

I don't really know you all at all yet, but I think it's kind of neat that you've got such a cohesive group here.  I don't really understand the whole thing about "sticking together/sticking apart" except as an old funny joke bit in the PD.  I do get the idea of decentralization as a strategy to keep an idea alive though.  To me it's the utility of a thing that makes it worth even considering.  If it's not handy, or at least preferable, to be apart at a certain moment why do it?  The same thing goes for getting together, but most of us human types just love at least being in communication with others if not in their presence.  This is not just healthy, it's also useful in a practical sense. You get to exchange with folks.  These exchanges may not always be useful or enjoyable, but you (all of you not in a self-contained isolation pod yet anyway) do it every day just getting along.  Why fuck eishathi lguahl Elisgah nit inselegon nit'eh?  It's just not good for you!

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Or Kill Me / Re: Rhythms.

« on: June 18, 2011, 05:10:52 pm »

  Hell Yeah! I expected this place to have creative content, but damn. I could practically feel the boot falls and fraudulent electronic handshakes.  I got a feeling rather like acceleration and a ghostly idea about weaponizing happiness.  Thanks!

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Or Kill Me / Re: R is for Rant...

« on: June 18, 2011, 04:29:26 pm »

ChaoPoop Notice:The following response may contain statements of belief or speculative particles based upon such.  They are not to be ingested or absorbed without proper PPE.  If you begin to feel dizziness, dry mouth, or anointment please seek help from a professional Ontologist.

A fun way to divert from mainstream Christianity.


Presume that the whole 10-12,000 year universe is as false as it would seem.  There's nowhere in the bible that says this.  It's just a dogma based on what may be called "very thorough" but perhaps not entirely accurate genealogies back to Adam.  It's not the truth based in the text of Genesis Ch.1 either.  All those "ands" at the front of the verses are conjunctions to the action of the subject, God. 

In the beginning God created the yadda yadda yadda(doesn't even kind of say how long ago)
AND the earth was "with out form and void" (means destroyed or made desolate. According to the subject of the AND God did this!)
AND God said let there be light, (And shit got all wild from there.)

So in short perhaps the mudball really HAS biblishly been spinning around for quite some time longer than your Sunday school teacher could have conceived of without a Lovecraftian breakdown. It would seem to me that without such folly God gets much cooler because now It's not about just humanity but a whole fuckin super titanic cosmos of who knows what.  In a purely natural environment I think that humanity could be seen as a super badass monkey revision since the last time God wiped the chalkboard.  We have developed into something orders of magnitude more dangerous than the T-Rex!(One of his best reptiles, Other win critters include, the botfly, habanero peppers, and syphilis)

This one change in perspective alone can open a christbot(Oh, and not all Christians are christbots) up some. Just enough to make said bot doubt for a moment their unfortunate mistaken understanding.  It's much more effective on ministers though.  Particularly evangelical types.  I consider it important to confront folks with this paradox in their "This is the only truth" approach to the bible, but where there is good stuff in there I encourage them to keep reading.

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Or Kill Me / Re: The Honest Politician

« on: June 18, 2011, 03:18:31 pm »

"There's been a fire and explosion at Fukishima reactor #4" or "Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant may be overheating right now" would have been better.

But, uh, media.  Complaining about the media being childish, shallow and divorced from the issues is like complaining at the sun for shining.  And all of you here should know that by now.

We do. I didn't think about it as complaining so much as thinking about it. It's good to remind oneself from time to time.

I think I begin to understand why the classic Evil Badass Overlord types tend to punish failure with death.  At the end of the day the difference between malice and incompetence is difficult to distinguish.  We live in a social structure that has prettymuch always been built on the idea that at least MOST people can't read minds and so a person may pass off criminality as ignorance, folly, or chance.  I'm not saying this is what's happening, but you can never know if Mr. Weiner dropped the ball or "took one for the team" and dropped his privacy(or had it done for/to him).  The end result has been a lot of pointless and banal attention grabbing by a media that I imagine has folks that know full well what plutonium poisoning does to people.  It is much easier (if you're just a killa like that) to punish treason and incompetence equally with death ancient Bushido style. But then there are people that (allegedly) operate this way now and I'm sure they know how to arrange for a media distraction, but you never do know.

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Apple Talk / Re: How to pass the time?

« on: June 18, 2011, 12:42:33 am »

Well you could start start playing roleplaying games.  Maybe work up to a full scale live action group.  Then you may put together a small caravan of gypsy wagons to sell various Renaissance-fair like trinkets in the local city square just to support your gaming habit and buy snacks.  Perhaps you could dress like Amish people and pass out nicely made fliers that make the lifestyle look posh compared to the apocalyptic death sure to befall them if they keep "Livin' English."  Could go to a Unitarian church that's having a "Bakesale for Haiti" day and offer a 50 dollar bill wrapped up in crazy dada in exchange for the leftovers that don't sell.  Find out how many folks are still suckers for snake oil, then sell them bottom dollar snake oil cut with whatever oil is cheapest at the local grocery store.  Run out of steam, literally.