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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Pelosi vs AOC feud
« on: July 15, 2019, 06:48:21 am »
oops, my mistake

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Pelosi vs AOC feud
« on: July 15, 2019, 05:10:04 am »

I've heard commented that AOC has some really anti-war stuff going on, and thats of the things that totally disqualifies you from presidential leadership... you can succeed as a major or governor... but i think shes peaked, shes not even gonna get to be a senator, and much less president.

Shes too soft and weak, shell either never make it nor be allowed to.

She IS a senator.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Pelosi vs AOC feud
« on: July 15, 2019, 05:06:24 am »
At the same time, Congress is a numbers game. Which I think, like her or don't like her, is ultimately where Pelosi is coming from.  The Dems in the House can do shit if they are in the minority. With a majority, they may not be able to do what the liberal wing of the party wants done, but they can do more than zero. 

I think that is where the rub is.  Pelosi and establishment want to move the ball to see if they can smash their way to a first down, AOC et al want to get a touch down on first possession. 

Of course the reality is with an R Senate and White House, it's not like there's too much the D's can accomplish, but whatever possibilities there might be, it certainly isn't going to be with a red-meat liberal initiative.

So in other words, we have to accept a moderate centrist agenda to achieve the agenda we need a buck short and a day late.

Yes, because like it or not, the American electorate is, at best, center-left.  AOC will get re-elected in her District all day long.  Meanwhile, in Maine's northern district, we have center-Left Jared Golden.  Now, he's not a Pelosi fan, he voted against her speakership in fact, but overall, much more moderate than AOC.  You will never, get someone like AOC elected in that district.  Golden won his election by miniscule numbers, he was lucky.  It's a center-right district. 

That's what you have to contend with.  To have more progressive/liberals, you have to have massive changes in the electorates in those regions, or catch lightning in a bottle and nominate someone who can win over right-leaning districts with personality to distract from their policy positions.  You might get lucky and do that in a few districts, but not on a scale to significantly tip the House to the progressive left. 

So given that reality, those numbers, is it best to get something or nothing?  That's where Pelosi is coming from.  And she's right.  Because the math is the math.

It's important to look at the popularity of policy in places like that.  A lot of what AOC supports that Pelosi doesn't is directly beneficial to the working class and a lot of those center right, or even full right wing, working class voters support them.  A progressive has a better chance than a centrist in plenty of conservative districts.

 :eek: Are you serious with that?  You're talking about tea-party conservatives right there the Fox News money demo. Hell, no way, they are going to support left wing policies, not from a left wing politician.  I mean, shit, I think they are probably nutzo enough to support left wing policies if by some miracle they were being touted by Ted Cruz or one of their own. But fuck no, are they going to line up behind a left wing candidate.

If the opponent is an establishment republican who has been screwing them and the left wing candidate speaks their language, yes they will.  You think they will vote for a Centrist Democrat?  You know that isn't going to happen.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Pelosi vs AOC feud
« on: July 13, 2019, 09:08:18 pm »
RWHN: with all due respect, you have lost your fucking mind.

The neoliberal half of the Dem Party has no spine and kowtows to the merest whim of people who would gun them down in public if they thought they could get away with it, all so they can look like the good guys and appeal to the centrists. “I want to get something done!” They scream, while ignoring that the only things they’ll be allowed to do is continuing the inexorable painting of a swastika on the American Flag.

Newsflash, fuckface, Pelosi’s geriatric, weak-sister groupies aren’t going to get shit done either. The pushback is too strong and the opposition is playing the pigeon strategy. Schumer isn’t going to throw the fuck down over basic human rights considering WE HAVE CHILDREN BEING SENT TO DIE IN CAGES and he has the skeletal strength of a deep sea fish after soaking in a vat of hydrazine for a fucking decade, STILL. What’s he going to do when it turns to black people, or LGBT groups? “But that’s illegal, mister supreme leader!”

If we don’t get some steel-boned motherfuckers up there we’ll continue to watch our “left wing” make weak gestures of opposition and mumbling statements of gratitude to goosestepping fascists until the day the camps open for political opposition.

Tiptoeing toward a better future doesn’t work when you’re faced with people who have no empathy, big boots, and a gun in hand. You fucking sprint for it and hope you make it to cover before you get a hole blown out of you. Same goddamn principle here.

Pay the fuck attention to what’s going on. You don’t placate a fucking genocidal sociopath! You don’t make incremental moves when you’re on a treadmill set to high speed, either. Pelosi doesn’t have the goddamn RABIES necessary to make the right decisions here and if you can’t see that, I have no fucking clue what the hell you learned from your time in these parts.

Of course you don't placate Trump.  You get him out of office and deny him a second term.  That's the quickest way to deal with and get rid of the atrocities he's imposing across our country.  But a circular firing squad is not going to get that job done.

Very true.  Pelosi and the centrists are doing a LOT of damage when they attack the left wing of the party.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Pelosi vs AOC feud
« on: July 13, 2019, 09:06:58 pm »
At the same time, Congress is a numbers game. Which I think, like her or don't like her, is ultimately where Pelosi is coming from.  The Dems in the House can do shit if they are in the minority. With a majority, they may not be able to do what the liberal wing of the party wants done, but they can do more than zero. 

I think that is where the rub is.  Pelosi and establishment want to move the ball to see if they can smash their way to a first down, AOC et al want to get a touch down on first possession. 

Of course the reality is with an R Senate and White House, it's not like there's too much the D's can accomplish, but whatever possibilities there might be, it certainly isn't going to be with a red-meat liberal initiative.

So in other words, we have to accept a moderate centrist agenda to achieve the agenda we need a buck short and a day late.

Yes, because like it or not, the American electorate is, at best, center-left.  AOC will get re-elected in her District all day long.  Meanwhile, in Maine's northern district, we have center-Left Jared Golden.  Now, he's not a Pelosi fan, he voted against her speakership in fact, but overall, much more moderate than AOC.  You will never, get someone like AOC elected in that district.  Golden won his election by miniscule numbers, he was lucky.  It's a center-right district. 

That's what you have to contend with.  To have more progressive/liberals, you have to have massive changes in the electorates in those regions, or catch lightning in a bottle and nominate someone who can win over right-leaning districts with personality to distract from their policy positions.  You might get lucky and do that in a few districts, but not on a scale to significantly tip the House to the progressive left. 

So given that reality, those numbers, is it best to get something or nothing?  That's where Pelosi is coming from.  And she's right.  Because the math is the math.

It's important to look at the popularity of policy in places like that.  A lot of what AOC supports that Pelosi doesn't is directly beneficial to the working class and a lot of those center right, or even full right wing, working class voters support them.  A progressive has a better chance than a centrist in plenty of conservative districts.

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Apple Talk / Re: DRUGS 2: REVENGE OF THE DRUGS. PS: DRUGS
« on: July 09, 2019, 06:46:03 am »
I dunno man. I literally listened to my extremely hippie godmother talk to my garden variety hippie mother today about how puking your empty stomach out on ayahuasca will "expel all the bad thoughts and experiences out of you, getting rid of all those blockages"

I love the idea of having the freedom to shove whatever fermented foodstuff down your gullet that you choose, but methinks I'll be happy to not expand my mind regardless of what suits may or may not be denying me that sweet trippy plant.

That is what puking on Ayahuasca is traditionally said to do.  And it matches my experience. 

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Or Kill Me / Re: Am I Still a Discordian?
« on: July 06, 2019, 07:53:40 pm »
So, I guess now, my Discordianism is more about self-preservation than trying to address The Machine and The System. 
I just want to make it out alive with a smile on my face!

Hasn't Discordia always been just a way to save face towards yourself, to pretend you've been something more than a shill for the War on Drugs? It doesn't seem you've ever been worried about "the machine" nor "the system", and youve always been an opportunistic slime bag, a dog dancing to get his bacon.

If im recalling things wrongly, everyone and anyone feel free to correct me, for I really envy Roger's vindictive memory that burns like a thousand suns, and personally lack that capacity.

I think people tend to hyperfocus on his beliefs about drugs.  RWHN has a diverse array of opinions, I am sure his beliefs about drugs aren't the only areas where he's a bit of an authoritarian dickbag but that doesn't mean he isn't a friend of liberty, fun, and chaos in all sorts of other areas.

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Apple Talk / Re: DRUGS
« on: July 05, 2019, 02:21:37 am »
I'm thinking less about the addiction part, and just purely the consumption part.  Pareto principle applies to licit and illicit.  Most of your consumption is from 20% of consumers, who tend to be daily users of [insert drug], so that is where these companies make most of their money.  Of course, that's markets as a whole.  I would expect in, say, the craft beer industry, Pareto probably doesn't apply, and is more likely the inverse, just because of price, etc. 

Interesting topic.

The legal weed market is pretty similar to the craft beer industry, at least in WA where I live.  It's also dominated by small businesses because of the restrictive federal laws.

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Apple Talk / Re: DRUGS
« on: July 04, 2019, 05:51:45 pm »
Modest Proposal: Drugs are a tool of The Machine, and ergo, Rich White Guys in Suits(tm), to scam money from the poor.

Convince me that I’m wrong.

To address the original post.  Yep, absolutely (assuming we are talking about recreational drugs). However I would restrict that to illegal drugs.  Alcohol is a crafted product, there is a rich history and art attached to it.  Although people can certainly have problems with it and companies sell garbage to people that problem exists with any product.  Weed is now legal enough that a respectable quality business community has grown up around it.  The same is true of tobacco, although that industry is dominated by garbage, in high tax states like Washington quality brands like American Spirit control a significant portion of the market.  The black market is, of course, controlled by organized crime and corrupt government agencies, but that's easy to fix.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: July 03, 2019, 09:41:09 pm »
I've seen people shitpost in facebook. They are not fun at all.
So, how are things? (you, yes you reading this)
I decided that university is for nerds, mainly because they didn't let me in. So now I'm gonna get a real job from trade school. How does one convince to itself and ones around it that it's actually unhealthy to be intellectual. Do I need  become an unronical Pol Pot fangirl or something to save my ego?

You could always cultivate an attitude of disdain toward the institutions of indoctrination, while still pursuing your own intellectual improvement independently.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: June 19, 2019, 06:05:09 pm »
Look, ok, in my view, the bible IS truth... in the way an elder educates a toddler. That leaves a lot of room for interpretation. The toddler is now grown, to believe in Santa Claus is fucking foolish, well, except there's the whole regiment of Santa's Little Inquisition, which will nail you for heresy if you believe that Santa exists more in the symbolic sense to encourage us to be more generous with eachother.

I got in this discussion in a bar last night with an atheist, and I'm like, "Look, dude, think about the target audience, how do you think society would be different if the angel of the lord just started rambling about dinosaurs and explosions to begin with?"

I am pretty sure most religion is basically a very primitive attempt at science, in which crude observations of natural laws are attributed to an invisible hand. It's a lot like Libertarian economic logic.

Common mistake by Atheists.

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I think modern Nazis are more the result of

"Everyone I don't like is a racist.
Hitler, a known Nazi, was a racist. 
Racists are like Hitler. 
Racists are Nazis. 
Everyone I don't like is a Nazi."

Try talking with some self described nazis, they aren't all that hard to find.

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Possibly relevant.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/3/18624687/conservatism-liberals-internet-activism-jen-schradie

She mentions, at the end of the article, that we need an open source social media network.  That already exists and it seems a shame to me that she's unaware of it.  It's still coalescing from a plethora of options, but they, mostly, share with each other.  It's called the federation, or the fediverse, depending on how you center it.

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As kept being observed it was probably leftovers. 

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: May 06, 2019, 02:07:21 am »
Well, the "blood of Jesus" is meant to be taken more symbolically than literally, like, communion is following the tradition set during the Last Supper, and not USUALLY an attempt by the ritual's facilitator to turn the congregation into vampires.

That said, this crowd definitely looks a few tires short of a monster truck rally. I think this woman is cool for finding a peaceful and classy way to prove them wrong.

That's a matter of serious dispute among Christians.  Catholics and Orthodox are actually drinking blood, according the the local Catholic priest, who preached about it a lot.

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