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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: August 20, 2020, 03:46:39 pm »
LOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!

https://apnews.com/6119b50079aaf30ba54b8e40bd36033b?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&fbclid=IwAR3P4LIK6VLcF8VaDkmsKEP403xe6WGomIbUBRJtTDptDmOQGaL4dilhySY
:)

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Trump recently criticized that section of wall after it showed signs of erosion, saying it was “only done to make me look bad,” even though it was built by his supporters.
:lulz:

Is it too much to hope that Trump throws Bannon under the bus?

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Apple Talk / Re: Introductions, Part VI: Welcome to Our PD Party
« on: August 19, 2020, 09:19:29 pm »
Hello, new person.  Did you bring doughnuts?  I like people who bring doughnuts.

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Curious - How do you reconcile Empedocledian's 4 with Discordia's 5? Is the universe balanced or not??

Hello!

Empedocles described the Four Elements as the "root" states of matter that were basically banged around by the forces of Love and Strife until everything was created. So we're actually looking at 6 fundamentals instead of 4, and 6-1=5. OR we could add in an additional root of Aether/Spirit/what-have-you and get to five that way.

On cosmic scales, 4, 5 and 6 are all the same number.

I hadn't heard of Empedocles before today, so ... thanks.  I didn't know the "four elements" gimmick had a specific author.

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Apple Talk / Re: Plague Diary
« on: August 19, 2020, 03:14:53 pm »
2020 Aug. 19

When the pandemic began, they shut everything down.  Then, as the alarm subsided, they've gradually been opening things up again; restaurants, tourism, non-essential stores, etc.

But not only have the conditions which led to the initial shutdown not improved, but the numbers now appear to be worse.  Either the initial alarm was an overreaction, or the current recovery is optimistic, even delusional.

I check my stocks, and they look pretty good.  I don't understand why they look so good.  I think Mr. Market may have misread the situation.

Somebody explain to me why now isn't a good time for a frenzied selling spree.

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In general, it distinguishes the centrist/conservative Democrat from the progressive/socialist Independent (or something like that)

Like, a lot of "Karens" are liberals -- they vote blue no matter who, and also call the cops on Black people for being Black in their neighborhood.

Edit: You know the "white moderates" that MLK wrote about in the Letter From Birmingham Jail?  Them.

Thanks, I think I get it.

I usually think of liberal as meaning "left of centre, but not necessarily hard-core socialist", while it seems the American definition currently puts liberal somewhat to the right of centre, which I would call "moderate conservatism".

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Are leftist and liberal distinct terms, now?  I must have missed the memo.

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Apple Talk / Re: The Compleat Billy Chronicles (thanks to Zenpatista)
« on: August 17, 2020, 07:20:18 pm »
Me:  "Do you have any experience working in a horrible corporate environment where your dreams are crushed just because?"

Amanda:  "My last job was programming for Oracle."

She seems nice.  And since she's coming from Oracle, she shouldn't have any moral qualms about weapons manufacturing.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« on: August 17, 2020, 02:33:21 pm »
I have a rule of thumb when discussing anything with a liberal - any sentence containing the word "should" or "shouldn't" can be safely dismissed as idealistic pipe dreaming bullshit and of no conceivable relevance to any persons living or dead.

Be careful of general statements.  There's often a pedant lurking who will jump at the chance to take them out of context.

Circa 1900:  A liberal says to you, "Women should have the right to vote."

Circa 2020:  A liberal says to you, "Black people shouldn't need to fear being suffocated while being arrested."

Would you say that these statements "can be safely dismissed as idealistic pipe dreaming bullshit and of no conceivable relevance to any persons living or dead" ?

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: August 14, 2020, 04:02:33 pm »
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3zeew/gun-enthusiasts-celebrate-man-who-shot-himself-in-the-balls-as-their-king

Thoughts:

"Wow, way to stick it to THE MAN."

"For the purposes of recording video of aiming a firearm at one's own genitalia, is it strictly necessary to have said firearm loaded?"

"I bet he doesn't turn off the breaker while rewiring lighting fixtures, either.  I mean, the wall switch is good enough, right?"

"A Real Man would have used a shotgun."

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only
« on: August 13, 2020, 04:50:40 am »
There's always katagelasticism.

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I was trying to be funny

They wanted him to Lock Her Up, but she could Lock Him Up instead

Such a reversal would appeal to my sense of the perverse

It would show them Trumpers what's what

But you people have made everything horrible again

...seriously, anybody can serve in the federal cabinet?   :|

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Does Hillary Clinton have the necessary qualifications to be Attorney General?

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« on: August 12, 2020, 06:39:13 pm »
My claim is that it should be possible to vote for Biden, while still recognizing his problems.  I find it entirely absurd that the better candidate should be declared immune to criticism because of fears that this will contribute to the victory of Trump.


Honestly though, do you really think it's "absurd" that a groundswell of left-wing disgust towards the Biden/Harris ticket could affect their chances in November?
No, I get what's happening.  I understand that people don't want to vote for someone they have problems with; they think voting for someone is tantamount to supporting them.  I understand the pragmatic necessity of downplaying Biden's issues.

I consider it absurd that things have come to a point where less communication and less information about one of the alternatives seems to be the best approach.  It seems that I am naively idealistic in this respect.


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I understand why, though.  Humans are horribly black-and-white creatures, and nuance is entirely lacking in American politics.  I have no idea how to convey the message of "this guy is a poor candidate, and you must vote for him anyway".  My brain simply isn't wired to look past negatives.

You and many, many others

which is exactly why it's so troubling
Unfortunately, while they won't look past Biden's negatives, they appear to be ignoring the consequences of not voting at all.  It's necessary to look at all the negatives.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« on: August 12, 2020, 04:41:25 pm »
It's possible to vote for Biden, and rip the Democratic party a fresh asshole.


Look, if you believe that posting things on the internet influences people's behavior,

then you've gotta recognize that loudly ripping on the democratic candidate advances specific political outcomes. Amongst them is people's likelihood to vote for that candidate.

If you do not want those specific outcomes to happen, then it follows that you should not engage in speech which contributes to them.

You don't have to attack the Democratic party and vote for Biden concurrently.  You can delay your attack until after the election.

But I wasn't really thinking in specific terms of attacking the Democratic party via speech on the internet.  I'm not even sure exactly what I was thinking.  Fixing your Democratic party political system is a difficult problem, and I don't have any answers.  As a Canadian, I get to deal with the economic and political fallout of your decisions, without getting any say in the matter, but I also have the luxury of not having to take responsibility.  (At least, if I pretend that the border is a Real Construct.  As a human being, allowing Trump to happen is my fault, too).

My claim is that it should be possible to vote for Biden, while still recognizing his problems.  I find it entirely absurd that the better candidate should be declared immune to criticism because of fears that this will contribute to the victory of Trump.

I understand why, though.  Humans are horribly black-and-white creatures, and nuance is entirely lacking in American politics.  I have no idea how to convey the message of "this guy is a poor candidate, and you must vote for him anyway".  My brain simply isn't wired to look past negatives.

As you might expect, my sole attempt to convince someone to vote for Biden failed.  He hates Trump more, but refused to vote for a candidate he didn't like.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD
« on: August 12, 2020, 03:23:37 pm »
When given a choice between two unpalatable alternatives, it is one's moral duty to address a hearty "FUCK YOU" to the entity which presented you with those alternatives. However, this does not preclude picking one of the alternatives.  It's possible to vote for Biden, and rip the Democratic party a fresh asshole.

But I'm preaching to the choir.

Part of me is hoping that sending a senile geriatric out to do battle with another senile geriatric is just crazy enough to work.

By the way, if Trump gets a second season, I'm holding all Americans responsible.  All of them.  I don't care who you voted for.  If you let this happen, you're going to take responsibility, dammit.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only
« on: August 11, 2020, 11:00:28 pm »
Some tree trimming service was working its way down the back alley, and it seems they snagged an overhead fiber optic line.  It's broken at the utility pole where my house is connected.

Since my internet hasn't gone out, I'm guessing that:

The connection to the head-end is somewhere to the west.
Several of the neighbors to the east will soon be very pissed, if they aren't already.
I'm likely to have a brief outage sometime in the next few days, when the repair guys show up.

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