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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 03:19:25 pm

Title: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 03:19:25 pm
Rock and Roll hall of Fame nominees for 2014:


http://t.today.com/entertainment/nirvana-linda-ronstadt-ll-cool-j-among-rock-roll-hall-8C11400900


Nirvana is obvious no-brainer.  They should just skip all of the nonsense and induct them now.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 03:21:56 pm
 :sotw:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 05:22:46 pm
You think Nirvana is more worthy than Cat Stevens, Deep Purple, and KISS.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2013, 05:27:12 pm
Meters, Replacements, Zombies, Chic.

In that order.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 05:42:50 pm
You think Nirvana is more worthy than Cat Stevens, Deep Purple, and KISS.


Do you honestly believe that Nirvana should not be a first ballot inductee? 


Even if you don't like them, their impact on music is undeniable.  That would be like passing on the Beatles or the Rolling Stones the first time they were up.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 05:43:51 pm
But in answer to your question.


Yes, yes, and fuck yes.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 05:44:36 pm
Nirvana > Deep Purple.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 05:48:40 pm
They induct more than one band you know.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2013, 05:49:21 pm
Honestly, even though I don't like them much, KISS had a larger impact on the music industry, in terms of concept albums, image, marketing, and cross-promotion.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 05:51:37 pm
Nirvana had a larger cultural impact.  They galvanized youth culture in a way that Gene Simmons could only dream about.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 05:52:02 pm
Honestly, even though I don't like them much, KISS had a larger impact on the music industry, in terms of concept albums, image, marketing, and cross-promotion.

KISS was crap, IMO.

But so was some strung out punk that whimpered a few albums and then became An Hero because life is so rough on a rock star. 

Rock n roll is about not taking any shit.  It's not about eating a fucking shotgun because the world is so dark that you can't risk angels seeing into your heart.  Because they'd die.

3rd rate shitbag kills self.  Story over.  No need to put him in the hall of fame for ANYTHING.  Except maybe ceiling painting.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2013, 06:00:23 pm
Nirvana had a larger cultural impact.  They galvanized youth culture in a way that Gene Simmons could only dream about.

Nothing Nirvana did lasted 20 years.  People are still doing the stuff KISS started 40 years ago.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:01:59 pm
Let's talk about the cultural influence of an habitual junkie who offed himself.   :lulz:

Such an example!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 06:04:49 pm
Let's talk about the cultural influence of an habitual junkie who offed himself.   :lulz:

Such an example!

Yeah, this is just my experience here, but I've never heard anyone gush about Nirvana's cultural impact who didn't have a bong in one hand and a crack pipe in the other.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:05:49 pm
Let's talk about the cultural influence of an habitual junkie who offed himself.   :lulz:

Such an example!

Yeah, this is just my experience here, but I've never heard anyone gush about Nirvana's cultural impact who didn't have a bong in one hand and a crack pipe in the other.

I think we should most definitely commermorate his life and cultural influence on youth.

Maybe we could name a needle exchange program after him.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:07:05 pm
Nirvana had a larger cultural impact.  They galvanized youth culture in a way that Gene Simmons could only dream about.

Nothing Nirvana did lasted 20 years.


Are you kidding?  There are all kinds of bands that broke, and are still around, because of the groundwork laid by Nirvana.


Quote
People are still doing the stuff KISS started 40 years ago.


Please elaborate on this.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 06:08:42 pm
Let's talk about the cultural influence of an habitual junkie who offed himself.   :lulz:

Such an example!

Yeah, this is just my experience here, but I've never heard anyone gush about Nirvana's cultural impact who didn't have a bong in one hand and a crack pipe in the other.

I think we should most definitely commermorate his life and cultural influence on youth.

Maybe we could name a needle exchange program after him.

A needle exchange program and a suicide prevention hotline and a new hybrid of marijuana. For medicinal purposes. To fight depression.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 16, 2013, 06:09:54 pm
I think the hopeless fangirling about Nirvana is just a troll, guys.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:11:17 pm
I think the hopeless fangirling about Nirvana is just a troll, guys.

Naw.  The insane inconsistency is actually consistent for RWHN.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:11:37 pm
Are you kidding?  There are all kinds of bands that broke, and are still around, because of the groundwork laid by Nirvana.

Such as...
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 06:12:02 pm
I think the hopeless fangirling about Nirvana is just a troll, guys.

That would be awesome.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:13:08 pm
I think the hopeless fangirling about Nirvana is just a troll, guys.

That would be awesome.

I hope not.

Because listening to RWHN gush about that dead junkie is like watching Jay & Silent Bob going off about how Morris Day and The Time was the best band ever.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:16:10 pm
Are you kidding?  There are all kinds of bands that broke, and are still around, because of the groundwork laid by Nirvana.

Such as...


Radiohead, for starters.  They got their foot in the door because of Creep which had the same soft/loud dynamic, angsty lyrics, and a buzzsaw guitar approach.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:17:16 pm
The Smashing Pumpkins were languishing as a weird alt-metal band, relegated to Headbanger's Ball and 120 Minutes until Nirvana came along. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:17:58 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:20:01 pm
Are you kidding?  There are all kinds of bands that broke, and are still around, because of the groundwork laid by Nirvana.

Such as...


Radiohead, for starters.  They got their foot in the door because of Creep which had the same soft/loud dynamic, angsty lyrics, and a buzzsaw guitar approach.

Radiohead, you say? 

Why, yes, considering how they formed 2 years before Nirvana did, and their music made it big at about the exact same time on two different sides of the Atlantic within a few months or so of each other, that has to be the case.

:lol:

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:20:35 pm
The Smashing Pumpkins were languishing as a weird alt-metal band, relegated to Headbanger's Ball and 120 Minutes until Nirvana came along.

Another crime to lay at Nirvana's feet.

And where have the Smashing Pumpkins been, recently?  Playing county fairs, perhaps?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:21:48 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 06:25:58 pm
I think the hopeless fangirling about Nirvana is just a troll, guys.

That would be awesome.

I hope not.

Because listening to RWHN gush about that dead junkie is like watching Jay & Silent Bob going off about how Morris Day and The Time was the best band ever.

A troll would be awesome in comparison to someone REALLY REALLY believing Nirvana was that earth-shattering.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:26:39 pm
I think the hopeless fangirling about Nirvana is just a troll, guys.

That would be awesome.

I hope not.

Because listening to RWHN gush about that dead junkie is like watching Jay & Silent Bob going off about how Morris Day and The Time was the best band ever.

A troll would be awesome in comparison to someone REALLY REALLY believing Nirvana was that earth-shattering.

No, it warms my cold & dead heart to think that someone like RWHN exists, exactly as advertized.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 06:27:35 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|

See, I could get behind the Offspring. But Nirvana? C'mon.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:27:52 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|


And nobody gave a shit about them until after Nirvana hit the scene. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:28:30 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|

See, I could get behind the Offspring. But Nirvana? C'mon.

I like about a third of the Offspring's stuff, because it's shouty in a good way.

Angry shouty > whiny shouty.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:29:55 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|


And nobody gave a shit about them until after Nirvana hit the scene.

Of course.   :lulz:

Come to think of it, nobody gave a shit about Miley Cyrus before Nirvana hit the scene, either.  Obviously, she owes it all to Kurt.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:30:51 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|

See, I could get behind the Offspring. But Nirvana? C'mon.

I like about a third of the Offspring's stuff, because it's shouty in a good way.

Angry shouty > whiny shouty.


Uh, "Self-Esteem" ?


It even has the same goddamn riff as Teen Spirit
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:31:40 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|

See, I could get behind the Offspring. But Nirvana? C'mon.

I like about a third of the Offspring's stuff, because it's shouty in a good way.

Angry shouty > whiny shouty.


Uh, "Self-Esteem" ?


It even has the same goddamn riff as Teen Spirit

Oh, hey, yeah, I said "a third of the Offspring's stuff".

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNG
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:31:48 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|


And nobody gave a shit about them until after Nirvana hit the scene.

Of course.   :lulz:

Come to think of it, nobody gave a shit about Miley Cyrus before Nirvana hit the scene, either.  Obviously, she owes it all to Kurt.


No, she owes it to being the daughter of Achy-Breaky Heart.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:32:31 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|


And nobody gave a shit about them until after Nirvana hit the scene.

Of course.   :lulz:

Come to think of it, nobody gave a shit about Miley Cyrus before Nirvana hit the scene, either.  Obviously, she owes it all to Kurt.


No, she owes it to being the daughter of Achy-Breaky Heart.

No, Nirvana was famous first.  This makes the influence a proven fact.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:32:53 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|

See, I could get behind the Offspring. But Nirvana? C'mon.

I like about a third of the Offspring's stuff, because it's shouty in a good way.

Angry shouty > whiny shouty.


Uh, "Self-Esteem" ?


It even has the same goddamn riff as Teen Spirit

Oh, hey, yeah, I said "a third of the Offspring's stuff".

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNG


As I gathered, you don't know what you are talking about.  Thanks for confirmation!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:33:39 pm
As I gathered, you don't know what you are talking about.  Thanks for confirmation!

ONE THIRD INCLUDES THE ENTIRE DISCOGRAPHY.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

You are a retard.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 16, 2013, 06:38:47 pm
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is such a load of bullshit I don’t even know where to start. Oh wait, I do.
Lets start with Shin Jung-Hyeon. Korea’s Grandfather of Rock.
(http://www.psychemusic.org/files/shin_jung_hyun_web.jpg)

This man was a badass. His mother died young, his father died when he was 14 and his stepmother 15. In response, he moved to Seoul, worked at a pharmacy and attended night school to educate himself, all the while teaching himself to play guitar. He got so good, he gave music lessons, and at 19, was playing at US Army bases across Korea.

He was instrumental in founding the Korean rock scene at a time when modern Korean music was struggling to find a unique identity. His psychedelic style became so popular amongst the American soldiers that he was able to support himself on their money despite the language barrier, and continued to fight for acceptance within the broader culture of his own society.
Not only was he fighting musically, he was his own representative. Unable to find someone to manage his band ‘Add 4’ (the first rock band in Korea), he became a manager and producer himself. He finally achieved mainstream success as a writer providing songs and backing guitar for many of the groups which would dominate the emerging musical landscape of Korea from 1968 to 1975.

Why did he stop in 1975, you ask? Well, because he stuck two fingers up to the President and refused to become a puppet of the political regime. When asked to write a song in praise of the South Korean president, he instead wrote about the beauty of Korea as a nation. This resulted in police harassment, the banning of many of his songs as ‘vulgar’ and ‘noisy’, and finally his arrest in 1975 for (gasp) marijuana usage, where he suffered torture and eventual confinement within a mental institution.

Eventually released, he was still banned from public performance until the death of Park Chung Hee. Although musical tastes had changed such that he ran completely counter to them ( 'Let's work hard,' and 'Let's be happy' kind of stuff. It was completely physical, with no spirit, no mentality, no humanity. That trend has carried over all the way to today..." ), he still continued to produce albums right up to 2006, when he announced his retirement. But he’s been unable to resist remaining there, emerging for several public performances and releasing his first American album (Beautiful Rivers And Mountains: The Psychedelic Rock Sound of South Korea’s Shin Joong Hyun) in 2011.

His career has spanned 59 years during which he has overseen the birth of the genre in his home nation. This is what it looks like to have an impact on a musical scene. When people speak about Rock in Korea, they speak about the man who went to prison to make the record. They talk about the man who spat in the eye of authority and refused to let his principles be dictated for him. It is impossible to talk about Korean rock music (a category which, just according to Wikipedia, contains 45 bands and 7 individual artists) without talking about the man who started it all and still, to this day, remains an active part of the music scene.
This is the sort of person whose musical impact REALLY can’t be denied. It just so happens that the place he had his impact was not the United States of America (although, amusingly, it still wouldn’t have been possible without the USA and its army bases, and all those soldiers who loved him so much in the early days). This is the sort of person that should be remembered forever, held up as an icon and example throughout the world, and really embodies what rock music is all about.

But its going to be Nirvana, because fuck you, the music industry will make more cash off a commemorative Nirvana album to celebrate the occasion than they ever would trying to bridge the cultural gap between Korean Rock and US Rock.

(For the interested, this is the song he wrote instead of the one demanded by the Junta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKS4wgCw-K4 and this is another I found whilst throwing this together on a whim that I particularly like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYTD5mFc2zU. All of the above was the result of about 20 minutes with google and the search phrase 'History of Korean Rock', as I suspected that there would be a story there far more interesting than fucking Nirvana, and wouldn't you know it, I was right. Until I typed that in, I had no idea who Shin Jung-Hyeon was, and I'm absolutely certain there's plenty more stories of similarly great artists throughout the world who will always be ignored by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because we all know only English-speaking artists really count.)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:41:14 pm
On the other hand, do you think a badass like Shin Jung-Hyeon belongs in some dusty mausoleum in Ohio, next to some whimpering An Hero like Kurt Cobain?

I don't.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 06:43:45 pm
Agreed. Shin Jung-Hyeon is the real deal. Not some plastic nobody.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:45:52 pm
You are a retard.


Stay classy
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 16, 2013, 06:46:22 pm
On the other hand, do you think a badass like Shin Jung-Hyeon belongs in some dusty mausoleum in Ohio, next to some whimpering An Hero like Kurt Cobain?

I don't.

Good point.

They've poisoned the well by even considering such small talents as compared to those who really deserve the title of Legend. It'd practically be an insult, at this stage.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 16, 2013, 06:46:27 pm
The Smashing Pumpkins were languishing as a weird alt-metal band, relegated to Headbanger's Ball and 120 Minutes until Nirvana came along.

Another crime to lay at Nirvana's feet.

And where have the Smashing Pumpkins been, recently?  Playing county fairs, perhaps?

They stopped being a thing YEARS ago, then Billy Corgin did his own thing for a while, and then he remade The Smashing Pumpkins, but without anyone else from the original bad aside from him and well, I like the orginal group to an extent, but what ever thing it was he created sucked balls. They haven't done anything since the turn of the millennium.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:51:57 pm
The worst part is, Nirvana WILL get in, and there WILL be a commemorative re-release, which means I may even have to hear Kurt's whimpering on the radio, for the amount of time it takes to thumb the stereo controls on the steering wheel.

For maybe a week.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:53:07 pm
On the other hand, do you think a badass like Shin Jung-Hyeon belongs in some dusty mausoleum in Ohio, next to some whimpering An Hero like Kurt Cobain?

I don't.

Good point.

They've poisoned the well by even considering such small talents as compared to those who really deserve the title of Legend. It'd practically be an insult, at this stage.

Yeah, I'm thinking that if Cobain gets in, they should take Kirsty MacColl out, out of respect for MacColl.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 16, 2013, 06:55:15 pm
The worst part is, Nirvana WILL get in, and there WILL be a commemorative re-release, which means I may even have to hear Kurt's whimpering on the radio, for the amount of time it takes to thumb the stereo controls on the steering wheel.

For maybe a week.



Exactly. Its a painfully shallow cash-grab, same as the engineered 'battle for number 1' we now get every fucking year at Christmas over here. This is invariably between the manufactured group of the moment from the Talent Search reality TV show with the best ratings, and a classic 'edgy' track we are told we should all buy in 'protest', which coincidentally happens to be owned by the same label.

Its not about the music, its about the money.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:56:20 pm
The worst part is, Nirvana WILL get in, and there WILL be a commemorative re-release, which means I may even have to hear Kurt's whimpering on the radio, for the amount of time it takes to thumb the stereo controls on the steering wheel.

For maybe a week.


Uh, In Utero has already been re-released because it is the 20 year anniversary.


Also, 20 year anniversary of his death is coming this April.


Better buck up bub! 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 06:57:34 pm
And of course Nirvana will get in.  Would you deny Michael Jordan entry to the NBA Hall of Fame?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:58:42 pm
The worst part is, Nirvana WILL get in, and there WILL be a commemorative re-release, which means I may even have to hear Kurt's whimpering on the radio, for the amount of time it takes to thumb the stereo controls on the steering wheel.

For maybe a week.


Uh, In Utero has already been re-released because it is the 20 year anniversary.


Also, 20 year anniversary of his death is coming this April.


Better buck up bub!

"Thumb controls on the steering wheel."
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 06:59:45 pm
The worst part is, Nirvana WILL get in, and there WILL be a commemorative re-release, which means I may even have to hear Kurt's whimpering on the radio, for the amount of time it takes to thumb the stereo controls on the steering wheel.

For maybe a week.



Exactly. Its a painfully shallow cash-grab, same as the engineered 'battle for number 1' we now get every fucking year at Christmas over here. This is invariably between the manufactured group of the moment from the Talent Search reality TV show with the best ratings, and a classic 'edgy' track we are told we should all buy in 'protest', which coincidentally happens to be owned by the same label.

Its not about the music, its about the money.

And about nostalgia for rancid music from a rancid decade, produced by a walking train-wreck of a junkie.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 16, 2013, 07:01:02 pm
It occurs to me that I've been drawn into one of RWHNs threads again.

Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:02:06 pm
It occurs to me that I've been drawn into one of RWHNs threads again.

Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

Which, of course, was his intention from the beginning.

But I have no regrets.  I get to laugh at his pretentious ass, and that's really why I'm in this thread.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2013, 07:03:46 pm
Chic has so much more of a right to get in than Nirvana.  They created music styles that are still being played around the world today. 


Can't say I really missed that last Candlebox reunion...
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:04:14 pm
it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.


DOUR is a white guy who as far as I can tell doesn't smoke marijuana.


Think For Yourself, Schmuck
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 16, 2013, 07:04:52 pm
If you think I'm talking about your reaction to DOUR, you're not paying attention.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:05:22 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:06:12 pm
If you think I'm talking about your reaction to DOUR, you're not paying attention.


I don't think YOU know what you are talking about because you aren't paying attention.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:06:28 pm
If you think I'm talking about your reaction to DOUR, you're not paying attention.

Dude, it's all about him.  All day, every fucking day.  No matter what you might have to say in the bar thread, it's suddenly about him.  No matter what.  Just go with it.

"IT'S ALL ABOUT RWHN."
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:06:44 pm
If you think I'm talking about your reaction to DOUR, you're not paying attention.


I don't think YOU know what you are talking about because you aren't paying attention.

:winner:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 07:07:46 pm
On the plus side, I'm alternating Korean Rock and Offspring and it's making for a pretty cool day.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:08:55 pm
The Offspring are awful.  The only way they get into the HOF is by paying admission.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:09:02 pm
On the plus side, I'm alternating Korean Rock and Offspring and it's making for a pretty cool day.

I'm gonna give Shin Jung-Hyeon a listen tonight.

Beats the hell out of dealing with Nirvana all over the fucking place, so mid-life crisis monkeys can get their nostalgia on.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:09:26 pm
The Offspring are awful. 

Ah, we have The Royal Sniff.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 16, 2013, 07:11:06 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:

Of course! Smack doesn't threaten the pockets of his alcohol industry masters.

If you think I'm talking about your reaction to DOUR, you're not paying attention.


I don't think YOU know what you are talking about because you aren't paying attention.

(http://www.allmystery.de/i/tcce1a2_35567217.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 16, 2013, 07:11:19 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:12:03 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:

Of course! Smack doesn't threaten the pockets of his alcohol industry masters.

An excellent point, sir.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:13:18 pm
Beats the hell out of dealing with Nirvana all over the fucking place


What, do you have people walking up to you forcing you to listen to Nirvana?  What the hell does that even mean?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2013, 07:13:24 pm
I think we're all missing the most important thing here:

The Meters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma8ABYwo1Ew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-6_0YqgeI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUTCsVAKXA
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 16, 2013, 07:13:32 pm
You think Nirvana is more worthy than Cat Stevens, Deep Purple, and KISS.


Do you honestly believe that Nirvana should not be a first ballot inductee? 


Even if you don't like them, their impact on music is undeniable.  That would be like passing on the Beatles or the Rolling Stones the first time they were up.

Nirvana gave us crud like Silverchair and Nickelback.  Indeed their impact on music was undeniable.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 07:13:51 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why? Because their lead didn't kill himself and skyrocket record sales to the point where the music penetrated the babble of your nascent self-aggrandizing?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:14:19 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:


No, I hate Godsmack too.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:14:42 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why? Because their lead didn't kill himself and skyrocket record sales to the point where the music penetrated the babble of your nascent self-aggrandizing?

 :lulz:

DANG!  TORPEDO AMIDSHIPS!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:15:16 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:


No, I hate Godsmack too.

You are a bit of an idiot, Beaker.  No, you are an enormous idiot.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:16:02 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:16:47 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:


No, I hate Godsmack too.

You are a bit of an idiot, Beaker.  No, you are an enormous idiot.


Says the guy who doesn't realize that he isn't leading.  ;)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:17:30 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?

No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.


Beaker is editing responses again.   :lulz:

You fucking loser.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 16, 2013, 07:18:02 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:18:30 pm
Its like watching a bad horror movie. You can predict pretty much what is going to happen every step of the way, and largely it is derogatory towards women, non-white folk, and people who enjoy marijuana.

But smack is okay.   :lulz:


No, I hate Godsmack too.

You are a bit of an idiot, Beaker.  No, you are an enormous idiot.


Says the guy who doesn't realize that he isn't leading.  ;)

Are you drunk again?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:19:40 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:20:17 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

But by your STATED STANDARD, that means that Nirvana sucks.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 07:20:37 pm
I think we're all missing the most important thing here:

The Meters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma8ABYwo1Ew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-6_0YqgeI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUTCsVAKXA

Good stuff!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:21:26 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

But by your STATED STANDARD, that means that Nirvana sucks.


No it doesn't.  The Offspring sucks without the obvious "Teen Spirit" clone song.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 16, 2013, 07:21:45 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

Every song Nirvana did was basically the same thing.  Even when they covered Lead Belly.  Derivative is as derivative does.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:22:29 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

Every song Nirvana did was basically the same thing.  Even when they covered Lead Belly.  Derivative is as derivative does.


I disagree. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2013, 07:22:34 pm
I think we're all missing the most important thing here:

The Meters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma8ABYwo1Ew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-6_0YqgeI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUTCsVAKXA

Good stuff!

See, the way it works is this:  You can hate Nirvana, or you can love Nirvana.  Either way it goes, you still have an opinion in the matter.

But if you don't like the Meters, you don't like music.  That's all there is to it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 07:22:40 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

But by your STATED STANDARD, that means that Nirvana sucks.

O.o So you were complaining that someone else ripped off Teen Spirit, up-thread, which is Heinous Crime. But someone points out Teen Spirit ripped off Pixies and that's cool? Right-o.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:22:44 pm
Every song Nirvana did was basically the same thing.

Thread is essentially over at this point, because Hoopla has nailed it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 16, 2013, 07:23:18 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

But by your STATED STANDARD, that means that Nirvana sucks.


No it doesn't.  The Offspring sucks without the obvious "Teen Spirit" clone song.


But basically what you are admitting is that, if anything, the Pixies are responsible for the groundbreaking music, and influencing the last 25 years.  Not Nirvana.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:23:42 pm
O.o So you were complaining that someone else ripped off Teen Spirit, up-thread, which is Heinous Crime. But someone points out Teen Spirit ripped off Pixies and that's cool? Right-o.

You were expecting some form of consistency, I gather?  :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:24:08 pm
But basically what you are admitting is that, if anything, the Pixies are responsible for the groundbreaking music, and influencing the last 25 years.  Not Nirvana.

See, I could agree with that.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 16, 2013, 07:25:53 pm
I think we're all missing the most important thing here:

The Meters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma8ABYwo1Ew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-6_0YqgeI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUTCsVAKXA

Good stuff!

See, the way it works is this:  You can hate Nirvana, or you can love Nirvana.  Either way it goes, you still have an opinion in the matter.

But if you don't like the Meters, you don't like music.  That's all there is to it.

Thanks for this. :) I gotta go to work and I'm gonna have this in my head all day. It will be awesome.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:26:36 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

But by your STATED STANDARD, that means that Nirvana sucks.

O.o So you were complaining that someone else ripped off Teen Spirit, up-thread, which is Heinous Crime. But someone points out Teen Spirit ripped off Pixies and that's cool? Right-o.


No, the "crime" was doing an awful rip-off (Offspring) compared to an awesome rip-off (Nirvana)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:27:53 pm
The Offspring are awful.

Why?


No, because their music is awful.  One of their biggest hits was a Nirvana rip-off.

You do realize that Nirvana is really just a Pixies rip off, right?  Right?


Teen Spirit was, yes.  But it was a good rip-off at least.

But by your STATED STANDARD, that means that Nirvana sucks.


No it doesn't.  The Offspring sucks without the obvious "Teen Spirit" clone song.


But basically what you are admitting is that, if anything, the Pixies are responsible for the groundbreaking music, and influencing the last 25 years.  Not Nirvana.


Why does it have to be one or the other?





Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 16, 2013, 07:28:28 pm
And yes, The Pixies definitely should be in the HOF, as well as Sonic Youth. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 16, 2013, 07:31:00 pm
I think we're all missing the most important thing here:

The Meters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma8ABYwo1Ew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-6_0YqgeI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUTCsVAKXA

Good stuff!

See, the way it works is this:  You can hate Nirvana, or you can love Nirvana.  Either way it goes, you still have an opinion in the matter.

But if you don't like the Meters, you don't like music.  That's all there is to it.

Thanks for this. :) I gotta go to work and I'm gonna have this in my head all day. It will be awesome.

I have to wait until I get home.  The nannywall is being a pain in the ass today.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 16, 2013, 08:58:36 pm
You think Nirvana is more worthy than Cat Stevens, Deep Purple, and KISS.

The morning dump full of half-chewed spinach that I just left in my toilet is more worthy than KISS. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 16, 2013, 09:22:26 pm
And of course Nirvana will get in.  Would you deny Michael Jordan entry to the NBA Hall of Fame?

:lulz:

you're such a shitsipper.

I actually like a fair amount of Nirvana's songs. But if they were an NBA player, they sure as hell wouldn't be Michael Jordan. They'd be Len Bias.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Suu on October 16, 2013, 09:32:57 pm
I'm just going to inject myself here for the obligatory homage to Yes, the greatest progressive rock group of the genre. Even when LMNO  bitches about Chris Squire's use of the pick on a bass, it doesn't matter, because South Side of the Sky will fucking anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC-FrJ8W0Yc

You may now return to your bickering.

-Suu
Honestly thought they were in like eleventy hundred years ago.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 17, 2013, 07:41:43 am
You think Nirvana is more worthy than Cat Stevens, Deep Purple, and KISS.

The morning dump full of half-chewed spinach that I just left in my toilet is more worthy than KISS. Just sayin'.

And that's okay. I just think Nirvana is worse. :P
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 17, 2013, 08:18:49 pm
It is literally not possible to be worse than KISS.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 17, 2013, 08:20:37 pm
You think Nirvana is more worthy than Cat Stevens, Deep Purple, and KISS.

The morning dump full of half-chewed spinach that I just left in my toilet is more worthy than KISS. Just sayin'.

And that's okay. I just think Nirvana is worse. :P

They are two completely different animals from different genres.  That statement doesn't make a lick of sense. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 17, 2013, 08:22:01 pm
It is literally not possible to be worse than KISS.

They are gigantic tools but they have had some talented musicians in the band.  Everyone besides Stanley and Simmons that is.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 17, 2013, 09:33:20 pm
Unfortunately, having musical talent doesn't necessarily translate into writing songs that aren't completely fucking awful.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 18, 2013, 02:03:16 am
What I want to know is what is the CRITERIA for getting into the hall of fame?

A bunch of us have been trying to get Doug Sahm in forever, and their excuse is that "He blended genres of music, but he didn't INVENT any."

So does that mean KISS did? Fucking arena rock predates those guys.

Or Nirvana? Garage rock blended with whiney lyrics isn't blending, it's "innovating"?

Isn't rock & roll ITSELF a blend?

I call bullshit.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 02:14:30 am
Bands are nominated, are put on ballots, and then people vote.


That's the critera.


Nirvana created a seismic shift in the music scene that paved the way for tons of alternative bands.  Fuck, they even allowed greater exposure for their influences.  Sonic Youth, Meat Puppets, Vaselines, etc., etc.,



Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 18, 2013, 02:59:43 am
So stuff like inviting the Pupps to be on Unplugged or covering a Vaselines song is "creating a seismic shift" and qualifies them for the hall of fame?  :lol:

"Hey guys, we're getting some totally undeserved media attention, more than we want - you want some?"
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 18, 2013, 09:36:04 am
Yeah, the idea that Nirvana was some sort of sea change in the music scene is completely laughable. Especially given that nobody's talking about the other bands that were their contemporaries and without whom nobody would ever have heard of Nirvana. By RWHN's criteria, Green River and Skin Yard deserve all of the credit he's giving to Nirvana. Not to mention Mother Love Bone, Mudhoney, etc.

The only significant difference, as far as I can tell, is that none of those other bands got an album produced by Butch Vig. Who also produced several of the bands that RWHN is giving Nirvana credit for exposing and/or influencing. So maybe Butch Vig should be inducted in Nirvana's place?

Anyway, the "people" who "vote" on the RRHOF inductees are just a bunch of lackeys. It's not like there's an actual popular vote or anything remotely resembling that. Bands are voted in the same way Nigerian presidents are "voted in".
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 18, 2013, 09:37:31 am
(cue RWHN showing up to tell me what I do and don't actually know about a music scene that I was physically present for and socially involved in)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 11:10:35 am
 :lulz:  Talk about delusions of grandeur.

What, did Kim Thayil have you hold his beer once while he hit the head?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 18, 2013, 11:31:12 am
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 11:35:28 am
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 18, 2013, 12:10:59 pm
(cue RWHN showing up to tell me what I do and don't actually know about a music scene that I was physically present for and socially involved in)

I knew I called it when I called it, I just didn't know he'd be waking up at the crack of dawn and doing it quite so urgently and immediately.

RWHN, do you have things set so that your phone sends you a loud alert any time somebody posts to a thread you're following? Or are you just in the habit of waking up at 5am to jump on PD? :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 18, 2013, 12:13:07 pm
Also, dipshit, by "socially involved in" I don't mean I was rubbing elbows with rock stars, I mean I was going to shows and learning things about these guys that were making this neat noise in my town. Which is probably what any normal person would have thought I meant. Once again your assumptions speak volumes about your character.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2013, 01:41:58 pm

The only significant difference, as far as I can tell, is that none of those other bands got an album produced by Butch Vig. Who also produced several of the bands that RWHN is giving Nirvana credit for exposing and/or influencing. So maybe Butch Vig should be inducted in Nirvana's place?

I think I had a post about this in one of the unlimited threads.  Pretty sure it got buried, fast.  I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2013, 01:44:00 pm
Well, that was easy enough.

Ok, I have to weigh in here... The real driving force behind the impact of Nevermind was... Butch Vig.

He grabbed a Pixies wanna-be band, and reworked the sound until it became commercially acceptable.  He double-tracked the vocals, used click tracks for the drums, tightened up arrangements, dozens of guitar overdubs, and then calling in Andy Wallace to run all the tracks through as many effects as they could to smooth the rough edges.

Yeah, I said that Nevermind had no rough edges.  Listen to Jesus Lizard's Liar or Goat released around the same time, and you'll know what I'm talking about.  Kurt even said later that Nevermind "Looking back on the production of Nevermind, I'm embarrassed by it now. It's closer to a Mötley Crüe record than it is a punk rock record."

If Nirvana hadn't brought in Butch, Nevermind would have sounded like Bleach 2.  And gone nowhere.  Vig, who later went on to produce Smashing Pumpkins, L7, Sonic Youth (Dirty, if you couldn't guess), Soul Asylum, AFI, Jimmy Eat World, Green Day, and Foo Fighters, and of course, Garbage, found a key piece of the puzzle:  If you want to make a band mainstream, make them sound mainstream.  He showed you could take literally any band and give them commercial appeal if you took away the sharp, buzzy, uncomfortable noises, and made them smooth and palatable.

Again, if anyone wants to argue that Nevermind isn't a soothing album, I can give examples of plenty of albums released in 1991-92 that tear the pants off of that record and grinds it a new asshole.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 02:55:47 pm
None of those other Vig-produced bands blew up as big or created as much word-of-mouth, street level buzz across a broad swath of youth culture as Nirvana did.

Why?

Because it was the songs.  Nevermind without Vig would not have been Bleach 2, if you think that then you have only heard the songs on Nevermind and haven't actually paid attention and listened to them. 

The other big difference between Bleach and Nevermind were the hooks.  For Nevermind, Kurt hit his stride writing a song that was raw but also had melody and hooks to reel you in.  Bleach, outside About A Girl, didn't have that.  It was way more Melvins-esque where as Nevermind was more channeling Kurt's Beatles influences.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 03:12:09 pm
Bands are nominated, are put on ballots, and then people vote.


That's the critera.


Nirvana The Pixies created a seismic shift in the music scene that paved the way for tons of alternative bands.  Fuck, they even allowed greater exposure for their influences.  Sonic Youth, Meat Puppets, Vaselines, etc., etc.,
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 03:14:11 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 03:15:09 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 03:16:42 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.

Hoops, you have to understand...If you don't think Miley Cyrus is a LOUDMOUTHED SLUT WHORE then you are obviously a great fan of hers, musically.

RWHN is a little fixated on her, on account of LOUDMOUTH SLUT WHORE WOMAN WHO SPEAKS BEFORE SHE'S SPOKEN TO.

He gets that way.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 03:18:10 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.

Hoops, you have to understand...If you don't think Miley Cyrus is a LOUDMOUTHED SLUT WHORE then you are obviously a great fan of hers, musically.

RWHN is a little fixated on her, on account of LOUDMOUTH SLUT WHORE WOMAN WHO SPEAKS BEFORE SHE'S SPOKEN TO.

He gets that way.

Yeah, I've been noticing.  So, Nirvana good... Miley bad.  Got it.  I wonder what his thoughts on Courtney are.  I bet he thinks she murdered Kurt.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 03:20:46 pm
Bands are nominated, are put on ballots, and then people vote.


That's the critera.


Nirvana The Pixies created a seismic shift in the music scene that paved the way for tons of alternative bands.  Fuck, they even allowed greater exposure for their influences.  Sonic Youth, Meat Puppets, Vaselines, etc., etc.,


You can't be serious. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 03:21:41 pm
Bands are nominated, are put on ballots, and then people vote.


That's the critera.


Nirvana The Pixies created a seismic shift in the music scene that paved the way for tons of alternative bands.  Fuck, they even allowed greater exposure for their influences.  Sonic Youth, Meat Puppets, Vaselines, etc., etc.,


You can't be serious.

It sure as hell wasn't Nirvana.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2013, 03:23:44 pm
Bands are nominated, are put on ballots, and then people vote.


That's the critera.


Nirvana Hoobastank created a seismic shift in the music scene that paved the way for tons of alternative bands.  Fuck, they even allowed greater exposure for their influences.  Sonic Youth, Meat Puppets, Vaselines, etc., etc.,
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 03:25:00 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.


So every other music critic or expert who have written about the massive impact of Nirvana on music also have bogus opinions?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 03:27:43 pm
Were you all in comas during the 90s? 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 03:32:24 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.

Hoops, you have to understand...If you don't think Miley Cyrus is a LOUDMOUTHED SLUT WHORE then you are obviously a great fan of hers, musically.

RWHN is a little fixated on her, on account of LOUDMOUTH SLUT WHORE WOMAN WHO SPEAKS BEFORE SHE'S SPOKEN TO.

He gets that way.

Yeah, I've been noticing.  So, Nirvana good... Miley bad.  Got it.  I wonder what his thoughts on Courtney are.  I bet he thinks she murdered Kurt.


Obvious suicide is obvious.


Courtney is awful and obviously has ridden his/Nirvana's coattails.  Please don't tell me you think they would have had success without Nirvana.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 03:34:58 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.


So every other music critic or expert who have written about the massive impact of Nirvana on music also have bogus opinions?

I would suggest they have subjective opinions.  I don't think anyone is denying that grunge as a movement had a massive impact on the 90s as a whole, or that Nirvana was one of its leading forces... but you seem to be claiming Nirvana was solely responsible for the 90s.  I wish I could blame Kurt Cobain for Reality Bites, but I can't.  I can, however, blame him for Silverchair.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 03:38:02 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.

Hoops, you have to understand...If you don't think Miley Cyrus is a LOUDMOUTHED SLUT WHORE then you are obviously a great fan of hers, musically.

RWHN is a little fixated on her, on account of LOUDMOUTH SLUT WHORE WOMAN WHO SPEAKS BEFORE SHE'S SPOKEN TO.

He gets that way.

Yeah, I've been noticing.  So, Nirvana good... Miley bad.  Got it.  I wonder what his thoughts on Courtney are.  I bet he thinks she murdered Kurt.


Obvious suicide is obvious.


Courtney is awful and obviously has ridden his/Nirvana's coattails.  Please don't tell me you think they would have had success without Nirvana.

The amount of success? No.  But she was arguably somewhat successful long before she knew Kurt... she's in Sid and Nancy, which came out in 1986, long before anyone heard of Nirvana.  But, being his Yoko certainly helped a lot.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 03:46:20 pm
I would argue the other bands would not have been as big without Nirvana.  Nirvana was the band that had, for better or worse, every other record label looking for "similar" bands.  And it worked backwards too.  Sure, Nirvana were influenced by The Pixies, but let's not kid ourselves.  How many Pixies videos did you see during the day on MTV before Nirvana broke?  That's right, none.  They were, and still are, a cult band.  But after Nirvana broke, their fans started checking out all of the name-dropped influences.  The Pixies benefitted from that, Sonic Youth, etc.


I guarantee you far fewer copies of Sonic Youth's tour movie "The Year Punk Broke" would have been sold had Nirvana not been on that tour and had several performances recorded for that film.


Pearl Jam would've been just another classic-rock infused hard rock band, AIC just another hard rock band, Soundgarden, just another hard rock band.  Without Nirvana, the "Seattle Scene" would have been a blip, no bigger than the San Francisco thrash scene or the Georgia folk college-rock scene. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 03:50:40 pm
Of course I recognize that I'm (foolishly) expecting people who fawn over and worship at the feet of Ms. Wrecking Ball to have at least a modicum of musical cultural awareness. 


i also sense some bitterness from punk purists, coloring opinions.

Dude, I have never heard a Miley Cyrus song, and can barely stand punk.  Your opinion is bogus on this matter.

Hoops, you have to understand...If you don't think Miley Cyrus is a LOUDMOUTHED SLUT WHORE then you are obviously a great fan of hers, musically.

RWHN is a little fixated on her, on account of LOUDMOUTH SLUT WHORE WOMAN WHO SPEAKS BEFORE SHE'S SPOKEN TO.

He gets that way.

Yeah, I've been noticing.  So, Nirvana good... Miley bad.  Got it.  I wonder what his thoughts on Courtney are.  I bet he thinks she murdered Kurt.


Obvious suicide is obvious.


Courtney is awful and obviously has ridden his/Nirvana's coattails.  Please don't tell me you think they would have had success without Nirvana.

The amount of success? No.  But she was arguably somewhat successful long before she knew Kurt... she's in Sid and Nancy, which came out in 1986, long before anyone heard of Nirvana.  But, being his Yoko certainly helped a lot.


Yeah, I remember that movie being a huge box office draw that vaulted her to household-name status.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2013, 03:52:07 pm
I would like to take a moment to point out that RWHN was still literally a child in some Maine backwoods when Nirvana emerged. I was here and into the music scene in Olympia and Portland... FFS, Nirvana opened for my boyfriend's band at Satyricon, and I worked with guys from Sweaty Nipples and Hitting Birth. Nervous Xtians were still popular, you could see 3 bands for 3 bucks Tuesday nights at Pine Street/La Luna, and I was writing and doing photography for the local music paper in Portland. The reality was, A BAND was going to get tapped to be repackaged for popular consumption because alt rock was skyrocketing in popularity, and everybody was a little baffled that it was Nirvana, but like I said before, Cobain was photogenic. Nirvana's popularity was an effect of the rising popularity and marketability of alt rock, not a cause. This is obvious to anyone who was actually THERE. Which RWHN wasn't, and is clearly piecing together his notions about how it went from magazine retrospectives. Cobain's suicide sealed the deal; without it they would have been just another 90's alt band, and not THE 90's alt band in so many people's minds.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 04:02:00 pm
Cobain's suicide sealed the deal; without it they would have been just another 90's alt band, and not THE 90's alt band in so many people's minds.

Bingo. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 04:05:20 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 04:08:29 pm
And this is how fanboys are born.   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 04:27:46 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 04:30:25 pm
You think the alternative music scene would have been as big without Nirvana?  If so, who had the capacity to draw in as many different segments of youth culture as Nirvana did?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 18, 2013, 04:33:01 pm
Were you all in comas during the 90s?

no I was listening to the smashing pumpkins.  I have always disliked nirvana's sound
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 04:35:10 pm
You think the alternative music scene would have been as big without Nirvana?  If so, who had the capacity to draw in as many different segments of youth culture as Nirvana did?

Yes.  Hard music had been moving in that direction for years.  Look at Jane's Addiction, they were putting out "alternative" music five years earlier, it was only a matter of time.  You seem to be under the impression that Pearl Jam existed in obscurity.  By my recollection, before Cobain ate both barrels of a shotgun, they were basically even in popularity... then Kurt decided to rip off Neil Young too, and his longevity was sealed.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 04:35:53 pm
This thread has been in a loop since page 2.

Which reminds me of something.  But what?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 04:36:25 pm
This thread has been in a loop since page 2.

Which reminds me of something.  But what?

Good point.  I've stated my five cents.  I'm out.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: trippinprincezz13 on October 18, 2013, 05:07:23 pm
I think Blink 182 should be in the Hall of Fame because they invented GreenDay and then Sum 41. Changed my life forever, man!

Besides, if Nirvana was so popular, that can only mean they were sellouts and thus inauthentic and undeserving of the Hall of Fame.

I nominate the band that smashes away every so often in one of the apartment buildings near me, because no-one has heard of them, so they are the most authentic of all.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 18, 2013, 05:09:30 pm
I think Blink 182 should be in the Hall of Fame because they invented GreenDay and then Sum 41. Changed my life forever, man!

Besides, if Nirvana was so popular, that can only mean they were sellouts and thus inauthentic and undeserving of the Hall of Fame.

I nominate the band that smashes away every so often in one of the apartment buildings near me, because no-one has heard of them, so they are the most authentic of all.
:lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 05:10:18 pm
I think Blink 182 should be in the Hall of Fame because they invented GreenDay and then Sum 41.

 :trolling:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2013, 05:13:23 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

I think a lot of people forget just how insanely popular Pearl Jam was. By the time Cobain died, Pearl Jam was far more popular than Nirvana. Unfortunately.

You know who was a big fucking deal in the music scene? THE band? You already know this; it was the Pixies.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2013, 05:14:28 pm
I think Blink 182 should be in the Hall of Fame because they invented GreenDay and then Sum 41. Changed my life forever, man!

Besides, if Nirvana was so popular, that can only mean they were sellouts and thus inauthentic and undeserving of the Hall of Fame.

I nominate the band that smashes away every so often in one of the apartment buildings near me, because no-one has heard of them, so they are the most authentic of all.

:mittens:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: trippinprincezz13 on October 18, 2013, 05:17:31 pm
I think Blink 182 should be in the Hall of Fame because they invented GreenDay and then Sum 41.

 :trolling:

What!? Green Day is on Broadway now, the most authentic of all. And they never would have made it there if not for Blink 182 streaking in a music video singing about how mature they were.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 18, 2013, 05:17:57 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

I think a lot of people forget just how insanely popular Pearl Jam was. By the time Cobain died, Pearl Jam was far more popular than Nirvana. Unfortunately.

You know who was a big fucking deal in the music scene? THE band? You already know this; it was the Pixies.

I tried to tell him that... this is what I got for my effort:

You can't be serious.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2013, 05:20:12 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

I think a lot of people forget just how insanely popular Pearl Jam was. By the time Cobain died, Pearl Jam was far more popular than Nirvana. Unfortunately.

You know who was a big fucking deal in the music scene? THE band? You already know this; it was the Pixies.

I tried to tell him that... this is what I got for my effort:

You can't be serious.

Yeah, well, what can you expect from someone whose opinions are formed purely from thirdhand exposure?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2013, 05:31:42 pm
I was living in the DC area when Nevermind came out. I was, in fact, playing in a few punk bands and crashing in various apartments with what can only be described as Nirvana's "target audience". We gave the album a listen, and thought "Spirit" had a good hook.

You know what we listened to, though? The Pixies. In DC, the land that Fugazi built.

We also listened to PJ Harvey and the Beasties. But not Nirvana.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 05:40:35 pm
RWHN is very tight with his opinion.  It makes him tight in the ass.  I imagine he spends much of his time in the men's room, trying to take a shit, moaning and groaning.  All that he ever produces, I'm guessing, are pathetic little high-pitched farts.  Every time one of his co-workers goes to take a piss he's in a stall..."ARGH!", "Pahleeeze!", "Oh for the love of GAAAAAAAAAWD!"
 
It's the same everywhere in America.  The asses are so tight that they squeak.  Everyone has big thick cushions on their chairs to ease the pain.  They walk with short choppy steps, buttocks tense.  It's comical once you notice it.  After you notice it you can't ignore it and keep a straight face.  It's like being in one of those old time movies, a Charlie Chaplin movie.

RWHN-nation (pun incidental & unavoidable, so shut up).  A nation of people obsessed with what other people do or like, who insist that their opinion is so superior to yours that they will bludgeon you with it until you give up in disgust.  Who can't take a proper shit to save their lives, because the stress of being the Smartest Guy in the Room has given them terminal buttlock.

Friends, has your asshole shrunk down?  Does eating vegetables make you sound like a referee's whistle?  Can your farts lance a hole in your jeans, on account of them being one fart-molecule thick?  Have you screamed your pain at an unused roll of toilet paper and an uncaring universe?

Sounds like YOU need to relax.  Take some Slack™, the laxative of the Gods.  SHIT THAT HATE, OR YOU WILL DIE.  Leave being terminally right to people who obsess over that sort of thing (RWHN, for example...It's long past being too late for HIS bunghole, which by now is a geometric point).

Shit your pants.  It's the only hope you have.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 05:50:14 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

I think a lot of people forget just how insanely popular Pearl Jam was. By the time Cobain died, Pearl Jam was far more popular than Nirvana. Unfortunately.

You know who was a big fucking deal in the music scene? THE band? You already know this; it was the Pixies.

I tried to tell him that... this is what I got for my effort:

You can't be serious.

The Pixies were a cult, college band with a very niche audience.  They were never huge on the level of Nirvana, and like Sonic Youth, got a bump because Nirvana name-dropped them.  I say this as someone who is a huge fan of both of those bands. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 05:53:24 pm
People are conflating and arbitrarily using critical and commercial success ITT, which is part of the disconnect.  And again, to be clear, both Pixies and SY should be in the HOF, and clearly were big influences.  However, they just did not transcend to the level that Nirvana did as far as speaking to a broad audience.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 05:54:59 pm
The Pixies were a cult, college band with a very niche audience. 

At this point, the attempt to shit is making a "phweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" noise.  If RWHN had a colostomy bag, it would pop like a balloon at this point, showering him and his computer with all the horrible bound up poop that he's been compressing all these years.

It's possible that the separation of mass would fling him out of his cubicle, like an Atlas rocket full of shit, a mobile fire hose of scat that whipsaws back and forth, killing half of his fellow preventionists and forever scarring the rest.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 18, 2013, 05:58:41 pm
Were you all in comas during the 90s?

Were you going to shows, or reading fanboi rags?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 18, 2013, 06:06:13 pm
I would like to take a moment to point out that RWHN was still literally a child in some Maine backwoods when Nirvana emerged. I was here and into the music scene in Olympia and Portland... FFS, Nirvana opened for my boyfriend's band at Satyricon, and I worked with guys from Sweaty Nipples and Hitting Birth. Nervous Xtians were still popular, you could see 3 bands for 3 bucks Tuesday nights at Pine Street/La Luna, and I was writing and doing photography for the local music paper in Portland. The reality was, A BAND was going to get tapped to be repackaged for popular consumption because alt rock was skyrocketing in popularity, and everybody was a little baffled that it was Nirvana, but like I said before, Cobain was photogenic. Nirvana's popularity was an effect of the rising popularity and marketability of alt rock, not a cause. This is obvious to anyone who was actually THERE. Which RWHN wasn't, and is clearly piecing together his notions about how it went from magazine retrospectives. Cobain's suicide sealed the deal; without it they would have been just another 90's alt band, and not THE 90's alt band in so many people's minds.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

RWHN was playing POGS.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 06:11:53 pm
You know, those Aum Shinrynko death cultists in Japan probably wouldn't have bothered with the whole nerve gas thing in the subway, if they hadn't been constipated by Sushi and the need to be RIGHT about religion.  Likewise, if Osama Bin Ladin could have taken a healthy shit, history would be very different.

Which gives me an idea concerning airport security.  Just watch the way people walk.  If they walk like their buttcheeks are sewn together, yank 'em out of line and give them the treatment.  This would save countless man hours at the airport, and make the nation more secure.  Once they're in the back room, they can be checked to see if they have a terminally-impacted bowel, or if they merely have some sort of birth defect.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 18, 2013, 06:14:22 pm
The Pixies were a cult, college band with a very niche audience. 

At this point, the attempt to shit is making a "phweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" noise.  If RWHN had a colostomy bag, it would pop like a balloon at this point, showering him and his computer with all the horrible bound up poop that he's been compressing all these years.

It's possible that the separation of mass would fling him out of his cubicle, like an Atlas rocket full of shit, a mobile fire hose of scat that whipsaws back and forth, killing half of his fellow preventionists and forever scarring the rest.

WHY DOES HE WEAR THAT HUGE SUIT? WHAT IS HE HIDING? MEGACOLON? OR THE REMNANTS OF A THOUSAND PUNCTURED COLOSTOMY BAGS?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 06:18:58 pm
The Pixies were a cult, college band with a very niche audience. 

At this point, the attempt to shit is making a "phweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" noise.  If RWHN had a colostomy bag, it would pop like a balloon at this point, showering him and his computer with all the horrible bound up poop that he's been compressing all these years.

It's possible that the separation of mass would fling him out of his cubicle, like an Atlas rocket full of shit, a mobile fire hose of scat that whipsaws back and forth, killing half of his fellow preventionists and forever scarring the rest.

WHY DOES HE WEAR THAT HUGE SUIT? WHAT IS HE HIDING? MEGACOLON? OR THE REMNANTS OF A THOUSAND PUNCTURED COLOSTOMY BAGS?

When the bags all fill up, he looks like Luca Brasi from The Godfather, straining the suit beyond anything any clothes manufacturer could have reasonably been expected to anticipate.

What we saw was RWHN with the bags offloaded prior to testimony.  It's a reasonable precaution, he wouldn't want one of the bags to rupture on local television...And certainly not in the sheriff's office, right next to a cop.  Can you even imagine?  They'd STILL be doing the nightstick rhumba on him, down in the "special" cell in the basement.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 18, 2013, 06:26:53 pm
Is there some cure for this horrible malady?

One accessible to the average WHN, i mean.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 06:32:43 pm
Is there some cure for this horrible malady?

One accessible to the average WHN, i mean.

No, for them it is too late.  The most that can be done is to KEEP YOUR DISTANCE.  At some unguessable point, he will go off like fucking Mount Krakatoa.  The shock wave will certainly reach Boston, possible even as far as parts of Florida.

In Maine, the devastation will be spectacular.  Imagine the surface of the moon, but with poop instead of regolith.  People will speculate and compare it to Taguska or the Barringer Crater, but they will all be wrong.  It will be one of those horrible anomolies that only We here at The Church will understand, and we will keep that knowledge secret for the good of society, just as we have with the Judge Crater disappearance, the assassination of JFK, and what Nixon REALLY said to Agnew that night they were drunkenly prostrating themselves in front of Abe Lincoln's portrait in the White House.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 18, 2013, 06:33:10 pm
I'm going to use some RWHN-esque reasoning to prove that Pearl Jam is greater than Nirvana.

I don't ever remember hearing Clarissa ask for tickets to Nirvana, but there was an entire episode devoted to her trying to get tickets to Pearl Jam.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 06:53:43 pm
Nah, that only proves that Pearl Jam were safer, probably because they were the blandest of the Seattle bands.  They had some good moments on Ten, but it was all downhill from there. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 06:55:11 pm
Also, http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5_DZ8vf8Io
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 18, 2013, 07:01:11 pm
But, because I love you,

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ySsbkLVuYOs
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 07:01:15 pm
One significant risk is that the high frequency of the farts will create an oscillation in the ass cheeks, causing them to ripple like those guys' faces in old NASA footage of G-force testing.  Nothing good can come from this...The danger to nearby personnel is pretty obvious, and who wants THAT in their obituary?  "Killed by wildly flapping ass cheeks.  Closed casket funeral.  Please send donations in leiu of flowers, etc".

The only real hope when this happens is that he'll fart again, thus interrupting the forming wave.  Of course this has its own risks, as it may in fact cause the very rupture discussed upthread, resulting in the destruction of Maine and rendering Quebec uninhabitable for hundreds of years.  Sort of a poop-Fukishima.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 18, 2013, 07:07:38 pm
One significant risk is that the high frequency of the farts will create an oscillation in the ass cheeks, causing them to ripple like those guys' faces in old NASA footage of G-force testing.  Nothing good can come from this...The danger to nearby personnel is pretty obvious, and who wants THAT in their obituary?  "Killed by wildly flapping ass cheeks.  Closed casket funeral.  Please send donations in leiu of flowers, etc".

The only real hope when this happens is that he'll fart again, thus interrupting the forming wave.  Of course this has its own risks, as it may in fact cause the very rupture discussed upthread, resulting in the destruction of Maine and rendering Quebec uninhabitable for hundreds of years.  Sort of a poop-Fukishima.

This entire argument is predicated on the idea that he is in possession of an ass in the first place. If he is incapable of filling a suit, it must surely follow that he is not in possession of a "booty"
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 07:08:06 pm
This entire argument is predicated on the idea that he is in possession of an ass in the first place. If he is incapable of filling a suit, it must surely follow that he is not in possession of a "booty"

See upthread.  This has been explained.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 07:28:33 pm
I'd like to propose a radical new treatment.

As preparation, you'll want to ingest a good quantity of iron filings along with your food.  A good double handfull of pistachios will help smooth out the consistancy variations.

1. Carefully wrap your commode in about a dozen layers of large gauge copper wire.

2. run a circuit to the largest industrial grade generator you can find.

Now, when attempting to take a shit, switch on the power. You should feel the induction force pulling on the stool, unless you reversed your polarity, in which case you just had one HELL of a belch.  Clean the wall.

Good luck.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 18, 2013, 08:47:44 pm
I endorse this as a qualified professional.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 18, 2013, 08:49:53 pm
I just wanted to add that Roger's posts ITT have been awesome.

I don't exactly have sympathy for RWHN now, but I can at least see where it all went so horribly, horribly wrong for him.  :sad:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 09:00:16 pm
I just wanted to add that Roger's posts ITT have been awesome.

 :lulz:  Thanks.

I was bored stupid by the same old rehashed crap that's essentially no different than a drug thread, and my inner jackass got out.  Seriously, it's the same old shit.  People say things, RWHN says "NUH HUH", and then people say things and RWHN says "NUH HUH" again, rinse, repeat.  Look at the OP...This was intentional (hence the pot o' beans response I posted in the first reply).  It's the SAME OLD SHIT AS ALWAYS.  RWHN is here to be RIGHT and to tell you WHAT.

The only funny bit is that he still can't get it through his bitty little head that he's an annoying twerp that has managed to alienate everyone, rather than being a victim of the Roger/Nigel CIA Mind Control Machine.

Because his poop has backed right up his spinal column and into his brain.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 18, 2013, 09:08:45 pm
Yeah.

I promised myself I was going to stop giving RWHN the time of day, but he's good at what he does. It pissed me off so much I actually put some effort into that response (which got entirely ignored, of course, as dealing with any criticism which demands more than 'nope' is too much for fecal-matter clogged braincells).

On the plus side, though, I discovered a cool artist I hadn't heard before, so I'm going to take this one as a victory.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 18, 2013, 09:18:06 pm
Fuck that! The monkey wants to dance for peanuts and a new collar by God almighty I'm going to deliver. Dance jackass dance I tucked in your kids early read to them how awesome their dad is for putting kids their age in jail.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 18, 2013, 09:24:51 pm
I would like to take a moment to point out that RWHN was still literally a child in some Maine backwoods when Nirvana emerged. I was here and into the music scene in Olympia and Portland... FFS, Nirvana opened for my boyfriend's band at Satyricon, and I worked with guys from Sweaty Nipples and Hitting Birth. Nervous Xtians were still popular, you could see 3 bands for 3 bucks Tuesday nights at Pine Street/La Luna, and I was writing and doing photography for the local music paper in Portland. The reality was, A BAND was going to get tapped to be repackaged for popular consumption because alt rock was skyrocketing in popularity, and everybody was a little baffled that it was Nirvana, but like I said before, Cobain was photogenic. Nirvana's popularity was an effect of the rising popularity and marketability of alt rock, not a cause. This is obvious to anyone who was actually THERE. Which RWHN wasn't, and is clearly piecing together his notions about how it went from magazine retrospectives. Cobain's suicide sealed the deal; without it they would have been just another 90's alt band, and not THE 90's alt band in so many people's minds.

So much this. Soundgarden was already signed to a major deal BEFORE Nirvana broke. Mother Love Bone was already slated to be "that band" but then Andrew Wood OD'd so another photogenic singer with junkie eyes and a catchy backing band had to be found. And the music industry and media had already been present in the PNW. Nirvana didn't draw attention to the PNW, they were just the largest beneficiaries of the attention that was already there.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 18, 2013, 09:28:18 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

Nevermind broke during my freshman year. Most of the kids were listening to shitty hip-hop (Vanilla Ice was HUGE) and the kids who were actually into the local rock scene were mostly into Mudhoney, Sweaty Nipples, Rhino Humpers, and Gruntruck. Nirvana was for the weird kids who watched 120 Minutes and liked Siouxsie and the Banshees.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2013, 09:35:34 pm
Hey, don't bring Siouxie into this...
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 09:35:51 pm
Hey, don't bring Siouxie into this...

No way.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2013, 09:37:32 pm
Well, could we at least not correlate her with Nirvana?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2013, 09:38:00 pm
Well, could we at least not correlate her with Nirvana?

She deserves many, many bad things.

But, yeah, that ain't one of 'em.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 18, 2013, 09:51:51 pm
It's just an example, but the point is that Nirvana was more the province of the alt-rock crowd. All the kids in school who already knew about them because they had Bleach were the weird kids with dirty fingernails and black hoodies with too-long sleeves with thumbholes cut in them and the only girl in 9th grade who had an eyebrow ring.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2013, 09:57:10 pm
Damn.

Nailed it, son.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 18, 2013, 10:09:34 pm
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 18, 2013, 10:54:45 pm
And of course Nirvana will get in.  Would you deny Michael Jordan entry to the NBA Hall of Fame?


(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x151/rattlesnakeroot/blogger%202/6fabcbd4e236968b0704509acefb6d56.gif)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 18, 2013, 11:30:46 pm
I think we need to recognize Nirvana's huge cultural impact, specifically for influencing this man:




(http://sigg3.net/users/blog/explore/getimg.php?image=/arseface.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Aucoq on October 19, 2013, 12:21:17 am
And of course Nirvana will get in.  Would you deny Michael Jordan entry to the NBA Hall of Fame?


(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x151/rattlesnakeroot/blogger%202/6fabcbd4e236968b0704509acefb6d56.gif)

This.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 01:38:59 am
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 01:42:10 am
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

Nevermind broke during my freshman year. Most of the kids were listening to shitty hip-hop (Vanilla Ice was HUGE) and the kids who were actually into the local rock scene were mostly into Mudhoney, Sweaty Nipples, Rhino Humpers, and Gruntruck. Nirvana was for the weird kids who watched 120 Minutes and liked Siouxsie and the Banshees.

Yes, initially, when you could only see their videos on 120 Minutes and Headbanger's Ball.  But then they broke it open, and then everyone was into them.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 19, 2013, 02:14:30 am
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 19, 2013, 02:35:05 am
I think we need to recognize Nirvana's huge cultural impact, specifically for influencing this man:




(http://sigg3.net/users/blog/explore/getimg.php?image=/arseface.jpg)

That's the cultural impact of RWHN's ass.

The guy in the picture is a wannabe. He's TRYING, but he can't do THIS:

RWHN is very tight with his opinion.  It makes him tight in the ass.  I imagine he spends much of his time in the men's room, trying to take a shit, moaning and groaning.  All that he ever produces, I'm guessing, are pathetic little high-pitched farts.  Every time one of his co-workers goes to take a piss he's in a stall..."ARGH!", "Pahleeeze!", "Oh for the love of GAAAAAAAAAWD!"
 
It's the same everywhere in America.  The asses are so tight that they squeak.  Everyone has big thick cushions on their chairs to ease the pain.  They walk with short choppy steps, buttocks tense.  It's comical once you notice it.  After you notice it you can't ignore it and keep a straight face.  It's like being in one of those old time movies, a Charlie Chaplin movie.

RWHN-nation (pun incidental & unavoidable, so shut up).  A nation of people obsessed with what other people do or like, who insist that their opinion is so superior to yours that they will bludgeon you with it until you give up in disgust.  Who can't take a proper shit to save their lives, because the stress of being the Smartest Guy in the Room has given them terminal buttlock.

Friends, has your asshole shrunk down?  Does eating vegetables make you sound like a referee's whistle?  Can your farts lance a hole in your jeans, on account of them being one fart-molecule thick?  Have you screamed your pain at an unused roll of toilet paper and an uncaring universe?

Sounds like YOU need to relax.  Take some Slack™, the laxative of the Gods.  SHIT THAT HATE, OR YOU WILL DIE.  Leave being terminally right to people who obsess over that sort of thing (RWHN, for example...It's long past being too late for HIS bunghole, which by now is a geometric point).

Shit your pants.  It's the only hope you have.

The Pixies were a cult, college band with a very niche audience. 

At this point, the attempt to shit is making a "phweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" noise.  If RWHN had a colostomy bag, it would pop like a balloon at this point, showering him and his computer with all the horrible bound up poop that he's been compressing all these years.

It's possible that the separation of mass would fling him out of his cubicle, like an Atlas rocket full of shit, a mobile fire hose of scat that whipsaws back and forth, killing half of his fellow preventionists and forever scarring the rest.

The Pixies were a cult, college band with a very niche audience. 

At this point, the attempt to shit is making a "phweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" noise.  If RWHN had a colostomy bag, it would pop like a balloon at this point, showering him and his computer with all the horrible bound up poop that he's been compressing all these years.

It's possible that the separation of mass would fling him out of his cubicle, like an Atlas rocket full of shit, a mobile fire hose of scat that whipsaws back and forth, killing half of his fellow preventionists and forever scarring the rest.

WHY DOES HE WEAR THAT HUGE SUIT? WHAT IS HE HIDING? MEGACOLON? OR THE REMNANTS OF A THOUSAND PUNCTURED COLOSTOMY BAGS?

When the bags all fill up, he looks like Luca Brasi from The Godfather, straining the suit beyond anything any clothes manufacturer could have reasonably been expected to anticipate.

What we saw was RWHN with the bags offloaded prior to testimony.  It's a reasonable precaution, he wouldn't want one of the bags to rupture on local television...And certainly not in the sheriff's office, right next to a cop.  Can you even imagine?  They'd STILL be doing the nightstick rhumba on him, down in the "special" cell in the basement.

Is there some cure for this horrible malady?

One accessible to the average WHN, i mean.

No, for them it is too late.  The most that can be done is to KEEP YOUR DISTANCE.  At some unguessable point, he will go off like fucking Mount Krakatoa.  The shock wave will certainly reach Boston, possible even as far as parts of Florida.

In Maine, the devastation will be spectacular.  Imagine the surface of the moon, but with poop instead of regolith.  People will speculate and compare it to Taguska or the Barringer Crater, but they will all be wrong.  It will be one of those horrible anomolies that only We here at The Church will understand, and we will keep that knowledge secret for the good of society, just as we have with the Judge Crater disappearance, the assassination of JFK, and what Nixon REALLY said to Agnew that night they were drunkenly prostrating themselves in front of Abe Lincoln's portrait in the White House.

One significant risk is that the high frequency of the farts will create an oscillation in the ass cheeks, causing them to ripple like those guys' faces in old NASA footage of G-force testing.  Nothing good can come from this...The danger to nearby personnel is pretty obvious, and who wants THAT in their obituary?  "Killed by wildly flapping ass cheeks.  Closed casket funeral.  Please send donations in leiu of flowers, etc".

The only real hope when this happens is that he'll fart again, thus interrupting the forming wave.  Of course this has its own risks, as it may in fact cause the very rupture discussed upthread, resulting in the destruction of Maine and rendering Quebec uninhabitable for hundreds of years.  Sort of a poop-Fukishima.

:potd: x 5

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 19, 2013, 02:49:16 am

Arsch Gesicht.

Arsch Gesicht.

Arsch Gesicht.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 05:50:57 am
Wow, does he seriously think that the Pixies were a "college band with a niche audience"?  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I won't say disconnected, because that implies that he was ever connected in the first place. Wonder if he's ever even heard Joy Division or PIL?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 19, 2013, 05:51:46 am
Wow, does he seriously think that the Pixies were a "college band with a niche audience"?  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I won't say disconnected, because that implies that he was ever connected in the first place. Wonder if he's ever even heard Joy Division or PIL?

I don't know.  They were pretty underground.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 05:52:34 am
It's just an example, but the point is that Nirvana was more the province of the alt-rock crowd. All the kids in school who already knew about them because they had Bleach were the weird kids with dirty fingernails and black hoodies with too-long sleeves with thumbholes cut in them and the only girl in 9th grade who had an eyebrow ring.

Yup.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 19, 2013, 05:56:04 am
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 05:58:27 am
Wow, does he seriously think that the Pixies were a "college band with a niche audience"?  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I won't say disconnected, because that implies that he was ever connected in the first place. Wonder if he's ever even heard Joy Division or PIL?

I don't know.  They were pretty underground.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Does that mean they're "authentic"?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 19, 2013, 05:58:38 am
I do hope you low-brows understand that Wolfgang Mozart didn't have NEARLY the influence on music that Cobain had.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 05:58:46 am
Hi guys, I listen to this new artist called Robin Thicke.  He's pretty underground, you probably haven't heard of him.

That's so alt.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 19, 2013, 05:59:00 am
Wow, does he seriously think that the Pixies were a "college band with a niche audience"?  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I won't say disconnected, because that implies that he was ever connected in the first place. Wonder if he's ever even heard Joy Division or PIL?

I don't know.  They were pretty underground.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Does that mean they're "authentic"?

Depends.  Did they get paid?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 05:59:37 am
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

(http://www.lemec.net/billeder/garbageband.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 19, 2013, 06:06:49 am
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

(http://www.lemec.net/billeder/garbageband.jpg)

 :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 19, 2013, 10:37:05 am
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

Nevermind broke during my freshman year. Most of the kids were listening to shitty hip-hop (Vanilla Ice was HUGE) and the kids who were actually into the local rock scene were mostly into Mudhoney, Sweaty Nipples, Rhino Humpers, and Gruntruck. Nirvana was for the weird kids who watched 120 Minutes and liked Siouxsie and the Banshees.

Yes, initially, when you could only see their videos on 120 Minutes and Headbanger's Ball.  But then they broke it open, and then everyone was into them.

And by "everyone" you mean "angsty junior high school kids with no friends". Which, now that I think about it, makes perfect sense. :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 02:08:48 pm
Wow, does he seriously think that the Pixies were a "college band with a niche audience"?  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: I won't say disconnected, because that implies that he was ever connected in the first place. Wonder if he's ever even heard Joy Division or PIL?

None of those bands amassed the fan base, nor had the same level of impact that Nirvana had.  The Pixies were an influence on Nirvana and others, but never enjoyed their success, and indeed, received a posthumous bump after Nirvana hit it big.  This is pretty common knowledge.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 03:06:50 pm
This guy gets it:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2014-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-nirvana-kiss-deep-purple-yes-zombies-linda-ronstadt.331799/page-13

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They [Pixies] were almost unknown outside of alt / indie circles when they were actually releasing albums. But the subsequent popularity of bands whom they influenced - Nirvana mostly - made them popular years after they broke up. Hence their reformation and multiple tours (still smaller venues - but as headliners) in the last decade.

I always view their history as similar to the Velvet Underground - who are in the Hall I believe, so I do think the Pixies have a chance.

However...without the explosion of Nirvana, the Pixies would probably be a footnote. Even more reason why Nirvana deserve first-ballot election. Not only were they hugely influential but their impact extended backwards to one of their main influences who reaped the benefits.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 19, 2013, 03:13:46 pm
So, the R&R HoF is all about...influence? O.o

Sounds like a shitty way to celebrate music. You know, rather than by what is actually /good/.

Jurassic Park influenced my childhood, but that doesn't mean I think either the book or the film should be celebrated in a hall of great literature.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 03:22:48 pm


To be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.

We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 19, 2013, 03:23:49 pm
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

(http://www.lemec.net/billeder/garbageband.jpg)

 :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uDiGAr_WKs

"When I grow up, I'll be famous.
When I grow up, I'll be stable."
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 03:27:10 pm
Nirvana were huge when Cobain killed himself.  What sealed the deal was the fact that they engaged so many through their music.  One of the things Kurt struggled with was the fact that they were drawing not just the weirdos into left-of-center music.  They were drawing the jocks, the preppies, the rich kids, the middle class kids, the poor kids, boys and girls, the smart kids, everyone.  "Come As You Are".

It wasn't just going to be any band.  Yes, there was a generation of kids waiting for a band or music movement to come along that would speak to them and include them.  Hair metal wasn't doing it, the pop mainstream of the day wasn't doing it.  Nirvana rumbled in with "Teen Spirit" and youth culture responded with a "Fuck Yes". 

Pearl Jam couldn't have done that, Soundgarden couldn't, AIC couldn't. Nirvana was the only band set up to do that.  And there hasn't been a band that has done that since.

Period.

You and I are close to the same age... what sort of high school did you go to?  At my school Nirvana was certainly very popular (to my dismay) but equally so, at that time, was Pearl Jam and a plethora of other "alternative" bands I loathed.  You know what else was extremely popular with the youth?  Probably more so?  Hip fucking hop.  The 90s were not the niche market you seem to recall.

Nevermind broke during my freshman year. Most of the kids were listening to shitty hip-hop (Vanilla Ice was HUGE) and the kids who were actually into the local rock scene were mostly into Mudhoney, Sweaty Nipples, Rhino Humpers, and Gruntruck. Nirvana was for the weird kids who watched 120 Minutes and liked Siouxsie and the Banshees.

Yes, initially, when you could only see their videos on 120 Minutes and Headbanger's Ball.  But then they broke it open, and then everyone was into them.

And by "everyone" you mean "angsty junior high school kids with no friends". Which, now that I think about it, makes perfect sense. :lol:

Oh, if "popular with the young people" = "groundbreaking", I guess Miley Cyrus is right up there with Nirvana for deserving induction.  :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 19, 2013, 03:33:31 pm
When she's eligible I will lead a goddamn movement dedicated to her induction.

Not because I think she deserves it, but because the singularity of butthurt RWHN would become could solve the energy crisis.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 03:38:42 pm
To repeat:

To be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.

We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 03:40:23 pm
Miley doesn't fit that bill, pretty much any of the past and present pop princesses are disqualified.  I can see a case for Madonna, but that's about it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 03:47:18 pm
When she's eligible I will lead a goddamn movement dedicated to her induction.

Not because I think she deserves it, but because the singularity of butthurt RWHN would become could solve the energy crisis.

I can't imagine he'll still be alive by then.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 05:34:10 pm
Hell will hath frozen over.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 19, 2013, 05:48:21 pm


To be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.

We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction.

RWHN's ass just ratcheted totally SHUT. I think he's gonna explode soon.  :lulz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame#Criticism

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A former member of the nominations board once commented that "At one point Suzan Evans lamented the choices being made because there weren't enough big names that would sell tickets to the dinner. That was quickly remedied by dropping one of the doo-wop groups being considered in favor of a 'name' artist...I saw how certain pioneering artists of the '50s and early '60s were shunned because there needed to be more name power on the list, resulting in '70s superstars getting in before the people who made it possible for them. Some of those pioneers still aren't in today.

&c., &c...
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 19, 2013, 05:50:22 pm
Miley doesn't fit that bill, pretty much any of the past and present pop princesses are disqualified.  I can see a case for Madonna, but that's about it.

Madonna's in there, a bunch of actual rockers and musicians aren't.

PWN
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 05:55:05 pm
Yes, I know she's there, as I said, I can see the case for her, she definitely had a huge influence on pop music.  I think it's a bit of a stretch to have her in a ROCK and Roll Hall of Fame.  But if a Pop diva is to be inducted, she is the most appropriate choice.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 19, 2013, 06:07:04 pm
And as the Hall is all about popularity and has fuck all to do with its original missoon statement, I am confident we'll get Miley in sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 06:13:15 pm
Heh, will it be 25 years after the first Hannah Montanna album?

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 06:15:07 pm
I'm pretty confident she will get in soon though, I'm sure she is well set enough to afford the price of admission.   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 19, 2013, 08:06:42 pm
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 19, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
To repeat:

To be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.

We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction.

"Unquestionable musical excellence"? Well, I guess Nirvana is out. And that's not even going by my opinions. If it can be questioned, as it has in this thread, how can it be unquestionable?  :lol: Bunch of commercial wankery, is what it is.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 08:44:10 pm
How many people ITT are voters for the HOF? 

That's right.  Zero
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 19, 2013, 08:44:42 pm
How many people ITT are voters for the HOF? 

That's right.  Zero

I don't see how that's stopped your opinions.  :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 08:47:34 pm
It doesn't, but in regard to the criteria I posted, whether or not a band fits that mold ultimately is up to those empowered to vote in the inductees.  So whether or not it is questioned on PD.COM is irrelevant.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 19, 2013, 08:49:03 pm
It doesn't, but in regard to the criteria I posted, whether or not a band fits that mold ultimately is up to those empowered to vote in the inductees.  So whether or not it is questioned on PD.COM is irrelevant.

So then your opinion is irrelevant, on all of it. ESPECIALLY so on Nirvana.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 09:16:02 pm
As far as a discussion on a discussion board, of course it is relevant.  But when it comes to the actual process of inducting, utilizing the aforementioned criteria, it is of course irrelevant what any of us think.

But, seriously, anyone who thinks Nirvana should not be inducted first ballot, whether you like them or not, you're just not rational.  I hate the fucking Beatles but completely agree with them being in the HOF.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 19, 2013, 09:22:29 pm
Third-rate junkie mope rock. And in the end, the "movement" it "inspired" was about as inspiring as the movement I just had. In my toilet. And lasted about as long.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 19, 2013, 09:23:28 pm
I am, however, reveling in the irony of you championing a band that mostly sang about being dopesick because of their lasting influence on society.

That part, friends and neighbors, is pretty friggin' hilarious.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 09:30:54 pm
We're talking about Nirvana, not Alice In Chains.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2013, 09:32:10 pm
Although, AIC and Pearl Jam (as much as I really don't like PJ ) should both get inducted as well. 

Also, unrelated, it's a crime that Faith No More haven't made it in yet.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 19, 2013, 09:33:24 pm
It would be an insult to Faith No More.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 19, 2013, 09:36:51 pm
Thread merger with all of the previous RWHN threads, since they are all the same? It's like he's had explosive diarrhea all over the board. Maybe he should get that checked out, because he's been pissing out of his ass for months now, and we're forced to wallow in it.

Or

 :?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 19, 2013, 11:27:34 pm
As far as a discussion on a discussion board, of course it is relevant.  But when it comes to the actual process of inducting, utilizing the aforementioned criteria, it is of course irrelevant what any of us think.

But, seriously, anyone who thinks Nirvana should not be inducted first ballot, whether you like them or not, you're just not rational.  I hate the fucking Beatles but completely agree with them being in the HOF.

All it really says to me is that the HoF has nothing relevant to say about music worth listening to.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 11:39:15 pm
I am, however, reveling in the irony of you championing a band that mostly sang about being dopesick because of their lasting influence on society.

That part, friends and neighbors, is pretty friggin' hilarious.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2013, 11:40:00 pm
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

 :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 19, 2013, 11:59:16 pm
I want to put something in context, Reverend WHN.

In 1995, I was ten. I didn't know what the hell Nirvana was, much less that Kurt Cobain had died the year before. I do remember a darn good Bill Nye parody of "Smells like Teen Spirit" called "Air Pressure", but I didn't even understand the connection till I was out of High School. I was listening to music my parents listened to, classic rock and the like. By the time I had gotten to an age where I might have cared about Nirvana, their time was long since passed. The early 2000s were full of shitty music on the radio, but I was by that point deeply into classical guitar and didn't listen to the radio anyway.

In other words, I really don't have any opinions about Nirvana. And it seems like the people who really do, who really like them, all are of a certain age, where they were in their late teens or early twenties during the early 90's, of a certain high school or college scene, and certain image. The only other people who seem to care about that band are the ones who make money off of it, or are critics trying to buy their way into that crowd. From my (limited) standpoint, it seems to be a whole lot of hype that didn't stand the test of time. But YMMV; come ask me again in 20 years.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 20, 2013, 12:05:39 am
Thread merger with all of the previous RWHN threads, since they are all the same? It's like he's had explosive diarrhea all over the board. Maybe he should get that checked out, because he's been pissing out of his ass for months now, and we're forced to wallow in it.

Or

 :?






Seconded.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 20, 2013, 12:41:59 am
I want to put something in context, Reverend WHN.

In 1995, I was ten. I didn't know what the hell Nirvana was, much less that Kurt Cobain had died the year before. I do remember a darn good Bill Nye parody of "Smells like Teen Spirit" called "Air Pressure", but I didn't even understand the connection till I was out of High School. I was listening to music my parents listened to, classic rock and the like. By the time I had gotten to an age where I might have cared about Nirvana, their time was long since passed. The early 2000s were full of shitty music on the radio, but I was by that point deeply into classical guitar and didn't listen to the radio anyway.

In other words, I really don't have any opinions about Nirvana. And it seems like the people who really do, who really like them, all are of a certain age, where they were in their late teens or early twenties during the early 90's, of a certain high school or college scene, and certain image. The only other people who seem to care about that band are the ones who make money off of it, or are critics trying to buy their way into that crowd. From my (limited) standpoint, it seems to be a whole lot of hype that didn't stand the test of time. But YMMV; come ask me again in 20 years.


I have a brother about the same age who DID get into Nirvana when he got older despite them not being around anymore.  He had posters, the entire discography, t-shirts, and a lot of his friends were into them too.  Kind of how when I was in college there were a ton of kids into bands like Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Doors, Queen, Floyd, etc.  Nirvana had a very short career, only 3 studio albums, but they had an impact larger than bands who've been around twice that amount of time.  They were a powderkeg right when music needed it. 


There was a whole generation of kids who weren't resonating with the bloated excesses of the dying 80s scenes.  Nirvana got right to the point.  They reflected this sort of listless angst, and honestly anger, that was amongst this generation.  I know this because I was part of that generation and knew many who really got into Nirvana who were in the same place,  And it wasn't just is weirdos, it cut across cliques. 


And they are still an influence.  Fuck, I loathe what she stands for, but even Ms. Cyrus has covered Teen Spirit as demonstrated in the YouTube video I posted earlier.  No one has done what Nirvana did since.  But, then again, the music scene really isn't set up for that kind of movement anymore anyway.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 20, 2013, 12:47:24 am

http://www.musicroom.com/blog/music-news/10-marks-left-by-kurt-cobain-and-nirvana-on-modern-music-makers

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Vernon Reid of Living Colour sees the front man (http://www.musicroom.com/blog/music-news/said%20Jonathan%20Poneman,%20co-founder%20of%20Sub%20Pop,) as a lightning rod: “Cobain changed the course of where the music went […] There are certain people where you can see the axis of musical history twisting on them: Hendrix was pivotal, Prince was pivotal, Cobain was pivotal.”
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 20, 2013, 12:53:10 am
Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.

You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you. I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them. On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 20, 2013, 01:22:01 am
Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.


That's a very easy judgement for you to make.  How do you know he didn't care?  Drug addiction is a disease of the brain, it isn't so cut and dry to just say that someone doesn't care.  Same with suicide.  He was a person who certainly had some mental health issues that were not being addressed. 

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You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you.


That's okay.  But there are many, many who do agree with me, including many professionals in the music industry, and they will be inducted first ballot. 


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I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. [size=78%]And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them[/size][/size]



I wasn't part of any "pseudo-rebellious" scene and it was plain as day to me.  I was a bit of a weirdo, but I was the straight-A, college prep kid.  I was a hair metal fan, and still am a fan of that music.  But hair metal is party music, it is very surface-level.  For kids with a bit more of an EQ, a band like Nirvana hit all of the right marks.  it was a bit deeper than, "Hey let's get drunk and fuck!".  Not that there is anything wrong with that ( KISS ), but it isn't very deep.


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On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.


Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things. 



Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2013, 03:14:08 am

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 20, 2013, 03:46:26 am
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 20, 2013, 06:37:58 am

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

And the "common enemy" is pot, but he's enamored with the (false) idea that a junkie is GOD TO A WHOLE GENERATION.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2013, 06:58:24 am
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

He produces pop music. It's his job.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2013, 06:58:46 am

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

And the "common enemy" is pot, but he's enamored with the (false) idea that a junkie is GOD TO A WHOLE GENERATION.

Oh, irony.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 20, 2013, 07:06:29 am

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

And the "common enemy" is pot, but he's enamored with the (false) idea that a junkie is GOD TO A WHOLE GENERATION.


:lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 20, 2013, 01:37:03 pm
Thread split please, you can put the drug posts into the current drug thread.


Thanks.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 20, 2013, 04:16:51 pm
Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.


That's a very easy judgement for you to make.  How do you know he didn't care?  Drug addiction is a disease of the brain, it isn't so cut and dry to just say that someone doesn't care.  Same with suicide.  He was a person who certainly had some mental health issues that were not being addressed.


You seem to be operating under the assumption of Cartesian duality; whether he was ill or depressed, he still didn't care. Which is irrelevant; I sure know /you/ don't care (the point). You've said as much before, that your moral community doesn't include anyone over the age of 18.

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You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you.


That's okay.  But there are many, many who do agree with me, including many professionals in the music industry, and they will be inducted first ballot. 

The HoF is irrelevant to deciding what is worth listening to.


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I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. [size=78%]And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them[/size][/size]



I wasn't part of any "pseudo-rebellious" scene and it was plain as day to me. I was a bit of a weirdo, but I was the straight-A, college prep kid.  I was a hair metal fan, and still am a fan of that music.  But hair metal is party music, it is very surface-level.  For kids with a bit more of an EQ, a band like Nirvana hit all of the right marks.  it was a bit deeper than, "Hey let's get drunk and fuck!".  Not that there is anything wrong with that ( KISS ), but it isn't very deep.

Thus the pseudo-rebellion. Pseudo being a common prefix meaning "false". You.../do/ know that, right?

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On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.
Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

Sure they are. And at 10:52 PM on October 8th, 2013, you said, and I quote, "So I took a public jab at the folks at MPP and gained an interesting new ally.  The liquor industry. " Your words. Now, I couldn't care less who your "bedfellows" are. To me, it's just another layer of hypocrisy, just another reason to dislike you. Phox left because of your nonsense, and I doubt she is coming back. So what I want is for you to leave, and to not come back.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: hirley0 on October 20, 2013, 06:00:37 pm
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

He produces pop music. It's his job.

nopE
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 20, 2013, 06:40:32 pm
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 20, 2013, 08:24:13 pm
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

He produces pop music. It's his job.

nopE

:potd:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 20, 2013, 09:24:52 pm
Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.


That's a very easy judgement for you to make.  How do you know he didn't care?  Drug addiction is a disease of the brain, it isn't so cut and dry to just say that someone doesn't care.  Same with suicide.  He was a person who certainly had some mental health issues that were not being addressed.


You seem to be operating under the assumption of Cartesian duality; whether he was ill or depressed, he still didn't care. Which is irrelevant; I sure know /you/ don't care (the point). You've said as much before, that your moral community doesn't include anyone over the age of 18.

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You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you.


That's okay.  But there are many, many who do agree with me, including many professionals in the music industry, and they will be inducted first ballot. 

The HoF is irrelevant to deciding what is worth listening to.


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I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. [size=78%]And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them[/size][/size]



I wasn't part of any "pseudo-rebellious" scene and it was plain as day to me. I was a bit of a weirdo, but I was the straight-A, college prep kid.  I was a hair metal fan, and still am a fan of that music.  But hair metal is party music, it is very surface-level.  For kids with a bit more of an EQ, a band like Nirvana hit all of the right marks.  it was a bit deeper than, "Hey let's get drunk and fuck!".  Not that there is anything wrong with that ( KISS ), but it isn't very deep.

Thus the pseudo-rebellion. Pseudo being a common prefix meaning "false". You.../do/ know that, right?

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On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.
Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

Sure they are. And at 10:52 PM on October 8th, 2013, you said, and I quote, "So I took a public jab at the folks at MPP and gained an interesting new ally.  The liquor industry. " Your words. Now, I couldn't care less who your "bedfellows" are. To me, it's just another layer of hypocrisy, just another reason to dislike you. Phox left because of your nonsense, and I doubt she is coming back. So what I want is for you to leave, and to not come back.

There is no hypocrisy.  All I was saying was that we are allies in the sense that we have a common enemy.  I'm not allowed to receive any financial support from them, and they REALLY want to fund the opposition.  And I wouldn't formally align with them because they'd turn around and try to sabatoge our efforts to change policies to reduce access to alcohol.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2013, 10:58:01 pm
I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

He produces pop music. It's his job.

nopE

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2013, 10:58:43 pm
Sure they are. And at 10:52 PM on October 8th, 2013, you said, and I quote, "So I took a public jab at the folks at MPP and gained an interesting new ally.  The liquor industry. " Your words. Now, I couldn't care less who your "bedfellows" are. To me, it's just another layer of hypocrisy, just another reason to dislike you. Phox left because of your nonsense, and I doubt she is coming back. So what I want is for you to leave, and to not come back.

I wish she would come back, I miss Phox.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 20, 2013, 11:09:12 pm
Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.


That's a very easy judgement for you to make.  How do you know he didn't care?  Drug addiction is a disease of the brain, it isn't so cut and dry to just say that someone doesn't care.  Same with suicide.  He was a person who certainly had some mental health issues that were not being addressed.


You seem to be operating under the assumption of Cartesian duality; whether he was ill or depressed, he still didn't care. Which is irrelevant; I sure know /you/ don't care (the point). You've said as much before, that your moral community doesn't include anyone over the age of 18.

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You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you.


That's okay.  But there are many, many who do agree with me, including many professionals in the music industry, and they will be inducted first ballot. 

The HoF is irrelevant to deciding what is worth listening to.


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I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. [size=78%]And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them[/size][/size]



I wasn't part of any "pseudo-rebellious" scene and it was plain as day to me. I was a bit of a weirdo, but I was the straight-A, college prep kid.  I was a hair metal fan, and still am a fan of that music.  But hair metal is party music, it is very surface-level.  For kids with a bit more of an EQ, a band like Nirvana hit all of the right marks.  it was a bit deeper than, "Hey let's get drunk and fuck!".  Not that there is anything wrong with that ( KISS ), but it isn't very deep.

Thus the pseudo-rebellion. Pseudo being a common prefix meaning "false". You.../do/ know that, right?

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On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.
Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

Sure they are. And at 10:52 PM on October 8th, 2013, you said, and I quote, "So I took a public jab at the folks at MPP and gained an interesting new ally.  The liquor industry. " Your words. Now, I couldn't care less who your "bedfellows" are. To me, it's just another layer of hypocrisy, just another reason to dislike you. Phox left because of your nonsense, and I doubt she is coming back. So what I want is for you to leave, and to not come back.

Phox left because of THAT asswipe?
That sucks. Because Phoxy could net-stomp RWHN with both hands tied behind her back.

I know, I know, not even worth the effort.

FUCK.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 12:05:58 am
net-stomp?

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Almost as pathetic as net-sex. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 12:17:38 am
I mean, Jesus Christ, how old are you? 


Net-Stomp.


I mean, I'm glad you have a jolly time here in Teh Wonderful World of Make-Believe, but for chrissakes wake up. 


All this huff and puff on this site about how broken and fucked everything is here and you guys get your panties in a twist over a random stranger spag who thinks a little differently thant you.  obsessing over "net-stomping" that spag.


C'mon, don't you see how fucked that is?  How about some IRL stomping of some actual problems in the world.


Stop being so fucking pathetic.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 21, 2013, 12:21:25 am
I don't suppose there's even the slightest chance you'd take your own advice?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 12:52:17 am
How does that saying go?


I'm not the kind of person i'm preaching to.





Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 21, 2013, 01:59:20 am

There is no hypocrisy.  All I was saying was that we are allies in the sense that we have a common enemy.  I'm not allowed to receive any financial support from them, and they REALLY want to fund the opposition.  And I wouldn't formally align with them because they'd turn around and try to sabatoge our efforts to change policies to reduce access to alcohol.

You are allies, you aren't allies, you are allies. Sounds like an onion to me. Leave.


Phox left because of THAT asswipe?
That sucks. Because Phoxy could net-stomp RWHN with both hands tied behind her back.

I know, I know, not even worth the effort.

FUCK.

It was the main contributing factor. I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I'm just so sick of this, it's turning the place nasty.

I mean, Jesus Christ, how old are you? 
Net-Stomp.
I mean, I'm glad you have a jolly time here in Teh Wonderful World of Make-Believe, but for chrissakes wake up. 
All this huff and puff on this site about how broken and fucked everything is here and you guys get your panties in a twist over a random stranger spag who thinks a little differently thant you.  obsessing over "net-stomping" that spag.
C'mon, don't you see how fucked that is?  How about some IRL stomping of some actual problems in the world.
Stop being so fucking pathetic.

That's the problem, though, isn't it? May 19th, 2005. That's more than 8 years I've known you. And yet you play yourself off as a random stranger. Miserable excuse for a friend, is what it is. Pathetic, yes, is what it is. Miserable fake. I became an adult here. I learned how to write and think critically here. I worked through some of the toughest, stupidest shit in my life with these folks, which is admittedly little shits compared to others, but it's my shit, and I /owned/ it. And I met the love of my life here. And as many times as I've been ticked off at Roger, or Cain, or Nigel, or the inverse, I still hold the deepest respect for them, value them as people, think only the best of them, which is probably why it hurts so much when we don't get along.

But you? You were apparently never even a person, for all I thought I knew you. Leave.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 21, 2013, 02:38:11 am

There is no hypocrisy.  All I was saying was that we are allies in the sense that we have a common enemy.  I'm not allowed to receive any financial support from them, and they REALLY want to fund the opposition.  And I wouldn't formally align with them because they'd turn around and try to sabatoge our efforts to change policies to reduce access to alcohol.

You are allies, you aren't allies, you are allies. Sounds like an onion to me. Leave.


Phox left because of THAT asswipe?
That sucks. Because Phoxy could net-stomp RWHN with both hands tied behind her back.

I know, I know, not even worth the effort.

FUCK.

It was the main contributing factor. I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I'm just so sick of this, it's turning the place nasty.

I mean, Jesus Christ, how old are you? 
Net-Stomp.
I mean, I'm glad you have a jolly time here in Teh Wonderful World of Make-Believe, but for chrissakes wake up. 
All this huff and puff on this site about how broken and fucked everything is here and you guys get your panties in a twist over a random stranger spag who thinks a little differently thant you.  obsessing over "net-stomping" that spag.
C'mon, don't you see how fucked that is?  How about some IRL stomping of some actual problems in the world.
Stop being so fucking pathetic.

That's the problem, though, isn't it? May 19th, 2005. That's more than 8 years I've known you. And yet you play yourself off as a random stranger. Miserable excuse for a friend, is what it is. Pathetic, yes, is what it is. Miserable fake. I became an adult here. I learned how to write and think critically here. I worked through some of the toughest, stupidest shit in my life with these folks, which is admittedly little shits compared to others, but it's my shit, and I /owned/ it. And I met the love of my life here. And as many times as I've been ticked off at Roger, or Cain, or Nigel, or the inverse, I still hold the deepest respect for them, value them as people, think only the best of them, which is probably why it hurts so much when we don't get along.

But you? You were apparently never even a person, for all I thought I knew you. Leave.

You expect him to be a decent biped? Give the monkey his peanuts make him dance til his feet rot off. This is the discordia I demanded. Only a few more months til he's a officially married, and also around the same time he finally burns the bridge and leaves. He doesn't want his wife knowing how much of a prick he's been on here.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2013, 02:51:01 am
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Aucoq on October 21, 2013, 03:12:56 am
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:lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 03:37:54 am

There is no hypocrisy.  All I was saying was that we are allies in the sense that we have a common enemy.  I'm not allowed to receive any financial support from them, and they REALLY want to fund the opposition.  And I wouldn't formally align with them because they'd turn around and try to sabatoge our efforts to change policies to reduce access to alcohol.

You also said "bedfellows", which implies a political alliance of shady means.

Fact:  An informal alliance is still an alliance.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 03:39:30 am
Thread split please, you can put the drug posts into the current drug thread.


Thanks.

Which posts (by reply number, if you don't mind), do you want split?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 21, 2013, 03:59:48 am

There is no hypocrisy.  All I was saying was that we are allies in the sense that we have a common enemy.  I'm not allowed to receive any financial support from them, and they REALLY want to fund the opposition.  And I wouldn't formally align with them because they'd turn around and try to sabatoge our efforts to change policies to reduce access to alcohol.

You are allies, you aren't allies, you are allies. Sounds like an onion to me. Leave.


Phox left because of THAT asswipe?
That sucks. Because Phoxy could net-stomp RWHN with both hands tied behind her back.

I know, I know, not even worth the effort.

FUCK.

It was the main contributing factor. I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I'm just so sick of this, it's turning the place nasty.

I mean, Jesus Christ, how old are you? 
Net-Stomp.
I mean, I'm glad you have a jolly time here in Teh Wonderful World of Make-Believe, but for chrissakes wake up. 
All this huff and puff on this site about how broken and fucked everything is here and you guys get your panties in a twist over a random stranger spag who thinks a little differently thant you.  obsessing over "net-stomping" that spag.
C'mon, don't you see how fucked that is?  How about some IRL stomping of some actual problems in the world.
Stop being so fucking pathetic.

That's the problem, though, isn't it? May 19th, 2005. That's more than 8 years I've known you. And yet you play yourself off as a random stranger. Miserable excuse for a friend, is what it is. Pathetic, yes, is what it is. Miserable fake. I became an adult here. I learned how to write and think critically here. I worked through some of the toughest, stupidest shit in my life with these folks, which is admittedly little shits compared to others, but it's my shit, and I /owned/ it. And I met the love of my life here. And as many times as I've been ticked off at Roger, or Cain, or Nigel, or the inverse, I still hold the deepest respect for them, value them as people, think only the best of them, which is probably why it hurts so much when we don't get along.

But you? You were apparently never even a person, for all I thought I knew you. Leave.

Ok, this. Kai is one of the smartest, kindest, most open to feedback people I know. That I've never met.

That you've pissed Ki off is horrible.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 21, 2013, 10:48:51 am

There is no hypocrisy.  All I was saying was that we are allies in the sense that we have a common enemy.  I'm not allowed to receive any financial support from them, and they REALLY want to fund the opposition.  And I wouldn't formally align with them because they'd turn around and try to sabatoge our efforts to change policies to reduce access to alcohol.

You are allies, you aren't allies, you are allies. Sounds like an onion to me. Leave.


Phox left because of THAT asswipe?
That sucks. Because Phoxy could net-stomp RWHN with both hands tied behind her back.

I know, I know, not even worth the effort.

FUCK.

It was the main contributing factor. I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I'm just so sick of this, it's turning the place nasty.

I mean, Jesus Christ, how old are you? 
Net-Stomp.
I mean, I'm glad you have a jolly time here in Teh Wonderful World of Make-Believe, but for chrissakes wake up. 
All this huff and puff on this site about how broken and fucked everything is here and you guys get your panties in a twist over a random stranger spag who thinks a little differently thant you.  obsessing over "net-stomping" that spag.
C'mon, don't you see how fucked that is?  How about some IRL stomping of some actual problems in the world.
Stop being so fucking pathetic.

That's the problem, though, isn't it? May 19th, 2005. That's more than 8 years I've known you. And yet you play yourself off as a random stranger. Miserable excuse for a friend, is what it is. Pathetic, yes, is what it is. Miserable fake. I became an adult here. I learned how to write and think critically here. I worked through some of the toughest, stupidest shit in my life with these folks, which is admittedly little shits compared to others, but it's my shit, and I /owned/ it. And I met the love of my life here. And as many times as I've been ticked off at Roger, or Cain, or Nigel, or the inverse, I still hold the deepest respect for them, value them as people, think only the best of them, which is probably why it hurts so much when we don't get along.

But you? You were apparently never even a person, for all I thought I knew you. Leave.

Ok, this. Kai is one of the smartest, kindest, most open to feedback people I know. That I've never met.

That you've pissed Ki off is horrible.

Addicts hurt everyone around them, and often don't even realize it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 11:07:58 am


Ok, this. Kai is one of the smartest, kindest, most open to feedback people I know. That I've never met.

That you've pissed Ki off is horrible.


It would've been nice if, as a supposed friend, you had shown even a modicum of this concern back when people were dragging my personal life (my divorce especially) into drug debates.  Nope.  You sat on your thumbs out of fear of publicly disagreeing with the rank and file, either that or you agreed with my personal laundry being fair game, either way, given this, you are free to go and poind sand LMNO.  Your words are hollow.


Now, I am perfectly willing to leave, there is only one condition that must be met.  My account is completely deleted.  If that can happen, I will leave.  There are certain developments that have occurred where not having a digital trail here might be helpful.  So if admin can delete my account, I will happliy head off into the sunset.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 21, 2013, 01:05:11 pm
"Kick me out because I haven't got the balls to just leave"
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 21, 2013, 01:08:14 pm
Note - LMNO and many others have tried to "reach out" to you before. For a while.

You are confusing "reach out" and "Reach around".

One happened, you seem to want the other.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 21, 2013, 01:32:09 pm
"Kick me out because I haven't got the balls to just leave"

QFT. Because there isn't a flounce thread big enough
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 21, 2013, 01:36:56 pm
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 02:59:01 pm


Ok, this. Kai is one of the smartest, kindest, most open to feedback people I know. That I've never met.

That you've pissed Ki off is horrible.


It would've been nice if, as a supposed friend, you had shown even a modicum of this concern back when people were dragging my personal life (my divorce especially) into drug debates.  Nope.  You sat on your thumbs out of fear of publicly disagreeing with the rank and file, either that or you agreed with my personal laundry being fair game, either way, given this, you are free to go and poind sand LMNO.  Your words are hollow.


Now, I am perfectly willing to leave, there is only one condition that must be met.  My account is completely deleted.  If that can happen, I will leave.  There are certain developments that have occurred where not having a digital trail here might be helpful.  So if admin can delete my account, I will happliy head off into the sunset.

Actually, he DID say some shit.  Until you alienated him, too.

You have a very selective memory.

And no, we don't delete accounts.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 21, 2013, 03:20:12 pm
Surely this one time you could make an exception? Every rule ... and all that  :?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 03:26:11 pm
Surely this one time you could make an exception? Every rule ... and all that  :?

Nope.  Exceptions are a group thing.  If he really wants his account deleted, then there's two things that have to be understood.

1.  He has to ask ECH via PM, who will then throw the question to the mod team via PM, or just deny it outright.

2.  All IP addresses he has posted from will be banned.  If he's leaving, he's leaving.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 03:55:35 pm
I'm fine with that.  I think Rod Stewart is rotting in a gutter somewhere and the dreadful hours hasn't been feeling very poetic lately. 


So yeah, admin team, consider this my request for account deletion. 


I mean, if i really am the monkeywrench everyone claims, it seems like it is a pretty easy decison to make.



Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 03:56:16 pm
I'm fine with that.  I think Rod Stewart is rotting in a gutter somewhere and the dreadful hours hasn't been feeling very poetic lately. 


So yeah, admin team, consider this my request for account deletion. 


I mean, if i really am the monkeywrench everyone claims, it seems like it is a pretty easy decison to make.

PM ECH.  No public request will be considered.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 21, 2013, 04:03:49 pm
I'm fine with that.  I think Rod Stewart is rotting in a gutter somewhere and the dreadful hours hasn't been feeling very poetic lately. 


So yeah, admin team, consider this my request for account deletion. 


I mean, if i really am the monkeywrench everyone claims, it seems like it is a pretty easy decison to make.

You're not a monkey wrench, you're just a fucking tool.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 04:04:45 pm
One might consider merely "walking away", but unfortunately, PD.com is a form of Tucson.  People leave, sometimes for years, but they always, always come back.  Except Iason, but he's just a few radioactive particles in the stratosphere, along with half the "city" he lived in.

No, here we know that the busses are on time, even if you don't want to know where they go or who is driving.  Here we know that the cops are always around when you need them, it's just that they don't DO anything when you scream for help.  They just grin past the powdered sugar on their faces and munch happily on their donuts while they watch. 

Here we know the ambulance will always come, no matter what, but they will be too late because of the rubber-necking snowbirds blocking the road. 

It's not a DOUR thing or a Nigel thing or even an ECH thing.  It's a Tucson thing.

And there really isn't a way out, because the Tucson thing is in your own head.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 04:12:37 pm
I'm fine with that.  I think Rod Stewart is rotting in a gutter somewhere and the dreadful hours hasn't been feeling very poetic lately. 


So yeah, admin team, consider this my request for account deletion. 


I mean, if i really am the monkeywrench everyone claims, it seems like it is a pretty easy decison to make.

PM ECH.  No public request will be considered.


Why not?  I'm all about transparency.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 04:14:35 pm
I'm fine with that.  I think Rod Stewart is rotting in a gutter somewhere and the dreadful hours hasn't been feeling very poetic lately. 


So yeah, admin team, consider this my request for account deletion. 


I mean, if i really am the monkeywrench everyone claims, it seems like it is a pretty easy decison to make.

You're not a monkey wrench, you're just a fucking tool.


I wasn't speaking to you.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 04:16:27 pm
I'm fine with that.  I think Rod Stewart is rotting in a gutter somewhere and the dreadful hours hasn't been feeling very poetic lately. 


So yeah, admin team, consider this my request for account deletion. 


I mean, if i really am the monkeywrench everyone claims, it seems like it is a pretty easy decison to make.

PM ECH.  No public request will be considered.


Why not?  I'm all about transparency.

Because I fucking told you how it works, that's why.  Either do it or don't, just stop your fucking whining.  You aren't getting an exception to policy, though it was OBVIOUS you'd expect one because you're a special special snowflake or some shit. 

Well, you're not.  You're just another Wade.  You want a special case made, then you want a special case of the special case.  Jesus H Christ, you're like having a Wade inside of our Wade so we can hamster while we hamster.

Shit or get off the pot.  Just stop your incessant puling.  You sound pathetic.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 21, 2013, 04:28:54 pm
I'm fine with that.  I think Rod Stewart is rotting in a gutter somewhere and the dreadful hours hasn't been feeling very poetic lately. 


So yeah, admin team, consider this my request for account deletion. 


I mean, if i really am the monkeywrench everyone claims, it seems like it is a pretty easy decison to make.

You're not a monkey wrench, you're just a fucking tool.


I wasn't speaking to you.

There's a shit I could give, let me know if you find it.

Carry on with your flounce though.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 21, 2013, 04:31:28 pm


Ok, this. Kai is one of the smartest, kindest, most open to feedback people I know. That I've never met.

That you've pissed Ki off is horrible.


It would've been nice if, as a supposed friend, you had shown even a modicum of this concern back when people were dragging my personal life (my divorce especially) into drug debates.  Nope.  You sat on your thumbs out of fear of publicly disagreeing with the rank and file, either that or you agreed with my personal laundry being fair game, either way, given this, you are free to go and poind sand LMNO.  Your words are hollow.


Now, I am perfectly willing to leave, there is only one condition that must be met.  My account is completely deleted.  If that can happen, I will leave.  There are certain developments that have occurred where not having a digital trail here might be helpful.  So if admin can delete my account, I will happliy head off into the sunset.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAA LET THE GAMES BEGIN! WHY WAIT 4 MONTHS!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2013, 05:40:24 pm
Or we could all just stop feeding into his ongoing meltdown. He's only disruptive because we all, apparently, love to be disrupted. He's just fucking trolling.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 06:23:15 pm
Or we could all just stop feeding into his ongoing meltdown. He's only disruptive because we all, apparently, love to be disrupted. He's just fucking trolling.

And everyone says they'll ignore it, and nobody will.  Just like Wade, come to think of it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 21, 2013, 08:44:18 pm
CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP TIL THE COWS COME HOME! 4 MORE MONTHS 4 MORE MONTHS! Then he crosses the line and starts posting people's personal information as a cop out to getting banned forever!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 21, 2013, 11:24:54 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 21, 2013, 11:25:16 pm
Yeah, you can fill out the proper forms like everyone else.

Probably won't do any good, because I'm inclined to want your stupidity and hypocrisy on record forever.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 21, 2013, 11:26:16 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.

Actually, no. At least, not under the current regime. I can't speak for what may have happened when Lauren ran the place.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2013, 11:27:09 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.

Yeah?  Which account did you hear about?  We've banned accounts, but I can't think of any we've erased.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 21, 2013, 11:29:18 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.

Actually, no. At least, not under the current regime. I can't speak for what may have happened when Lauren ran the place.

Lauren ran the place from, let's say, 2008-2012? SRS question just wondering
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 21, 2013, 11:33:05 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.

Actually, no. At least, not under the current regime. I can't speak for what may have happened when Lauren ran the place.

Lauren ran the place from, let's say, 2008-2012? SRS question just wondering

Pre-2006? My memory get's fuzzy near the beginning. When did the Discordian Network get started? That was about the time that Lauren gave up. Hustle has been running the place for a long time, with essentially the same mod team.

Edit: I'd prefer he just leave anyway. No need to start a precedent.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 11:35:00 pm
I started The Discordian Network before we did the BIP.  Don't remember the exact date or anything but I think it was sometime in 2006
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 21, 2013, 11:38:20 pm
I started The Discordian Network before we did the BIP.  Don't remember the exact date or anything but I think it was sometime in 2006

Funny that. And yet you're a random stranger. Shows just how little this community means to you. So leave already.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 11:39:53 pm
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 21, 2013, 11:41:54 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.

Yeah?  Which account did you hear about?  We've banned accounts, but I can't think of any we've erased.

Not sure of the account. Awhile back I ran into some guy over at stucknut.com bragging about all of the accounts of his that had been erased because of his incessant trolling. But it's probably not even true anyway.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 21, 2013, 11:46:55 pm
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 11:49:11 pm
Put it to a vote.  Democracy!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 21, 2013, 11:50:58 pm
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted. 

So you can be the special snowflake who got deleted from PD? :lulz:

I think not. You can just leave, like everyone else who isn't here.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 21, 2013, 11:51:18 pm
I vote that we give RWHN several more accounts and don't let him leave until he smokes the whole pack.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 11:51:57 pm
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 21, 2013, 11:52:12 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.

Actually, no. At least, not under the current regime. I can't speak for what may have happened when Lauren ran the place.

Lauren ran the place from, let's say, 2008-2012? SRS question just wondering

She rant it from its inception in 2002 to late 2005/early 2006ish.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 21, 2013, 11:52:45 pm
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to. 

Adding a dash of "wounded martyr" to the butthurt stew? :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 11:52:56 pm
I vote that we give RWHN several more accounts and don't let him leave until he smokes the whole pack.

I can handle that, but I'd give the smokes to the monkey.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2013, 11:54:41 pm

And no, we don't delete accounts.

HMMMM. From what I've heard, It can and has been done in the past.

Yeah?  Which account did you hear about?  We've banned accounts, but I can't think of any we've erased.

Not sure of the account. Awhile back I ran into some guy over at stucknut.com bragging about all of the accounts of his that had been erased because of his incessant trolling. But it's probably not even true anyway.

Had to have been Poptart. :lol: No, not erased, just banned.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2013, 11:55:12 pm
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to. 

Adding a dash of "wounded martyr" to the butthurt stew? :lol:

Anyone who objectively reviews those threads will see a drastic difference in how one side treated the other.  I didn't take it personal.  You guys did, which made it clear you wanted me to be a bad guy, so I've just been giving you what you want.  Why is everyone complaining?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2013, 11:55:44 pm
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted. 

So you can be the special snowflake who got deleted from PD? :lulz:

I think not. You can just leave, like everyone else who isn't here.

 :lulz: That's quite the ultimatum. "I'll stop embarrassing myself IF AND ONLY IF you remove the evidence of me embarrassing myself".
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 21, 2013, 11:59:17 pm
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

Let's be honest here: you became a /nuisance/. If you weren't one always. The drug threads were simply the place where your hypocrisy shone the brightest. They dragged the personal in when /you/ did, because you seemed to think that tactic was acceptable, which bit you in the ass.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2013, 12:09:48 am
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:10:36 am
Kai, You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.  But if you can link up that claim, that I started the dragging of people's personal lives into drug threads, I will leave.

Show me where I dragged people's kids, wives, or ex-wives into the debate. 

And then explain to me why you think that is justifiable. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 12:14:44 am
Kai, You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.  But if you can link up that claim, that I started the dragging of people's personal lives into drug threads, I will leave.

Show me where I dragged people's kids, wives, or ex-wives into the debate. 

And then explain to me why you think that is justifiable.

I see, people's fathers don't count. Beautiful. Just get out.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:15:48 am
I haven't said shit about anyone's father.

You buy in blindly to the strawmen built by your heroes.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:16:41 am
I'm not one who is to keen about taking orders.  My terms remain as they were laid out. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2013, 12:19:57 am
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:21:03 am
Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 12:23:29 am
I haven't said shit about anyone's father.

You buy in blindly to the strawmen built by your heroes.

No, I believe what a friend tells me. But what would you know about the friendships of people in this community? You're just a /random stranger/.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:24:19 am
And therein lies the problem.  Blind allegiance.

Whatever happened to Think For Yourself, Schmuck?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 12:24:57 am
Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:

It's a waste of her time to even talk to you, much less call you out.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:25:21 am
Can everyone hear CPD furiously digging through my old posts?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:27:13 am
Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:

It's a waste of her time to even talk to you, much less call you out.

I got a "net-sassin" once, and barely survived it, I suppose a "net-stomping" might be a little more serious.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 12:28:30 am
And therein lies the problem.  Blind allegiance.

Whatever happened to Think For Yourself, Schmuck?

A man who I still argue with, who called me nearly every week for /years/, who has forgiven me plenty of bullshit. That's called friendship, but what would you know of it?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 22, 2013, 12:28:43 am
I HOPE THIS KEEPS PLAYING OUT 4EVAR!


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 12:30:13 am
Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:

It's a waste of her time to even talk to you, much less call you out.

I got a "net-sassin" once, and barely survived it, I suppose a "net-stomping" might be a little more serious.

 :lulz:

You were an asshole who got personal, and received personal in return.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:33:04 am
And therein lies the problem.  Blind allegiance.

Whatever happened to Think For Yourself, Schmuck?

A man who I still argue with, who called me nearly every week for /years/, who has forgiven me plenty of bullshit. That's called friendship, but what would you know of it?

Plenty, with people who observe the whole "treat how you want to be treated" idea.  If someone wants to treat me like an enemy because of my viewpoints, then that is what they'll get from me.

Especially people who make shit up and perpetuate it without anyone questioning.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:34:16 am
Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:

It's a waste of her time to even talk to you, much less call you out.

I got a "net-sassin" once, and barely survived it, I suppose a "net-stomping" might be a little more serious.

 :lulz:

You were an asshole who got personal, and received personal in return.

Prove it. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 12:40:02 am
And therein lies the problem.  Blind allegiance.

Whatever happened to Think For Yourself, Schmuck?

A man who I still argue with, who called me nearly every week for /years/, who has forgiven me plenty of bullshit. That's called friendship, but what would you know of it?

Plenty, with people who observe the whole "treat how you want to be treated" idea.  If someone wants to treat me like an enemy because of my viewpoints, then that is what they'll get from me.

Especially people who make shit up and perpetuate it without anyone questioning.

You're a douchebag. Thus your treatment.

Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:

It's a waste of her time to even talk to you, much less call you out.

I got a "net-sassin" once, and barely survived it, I suppose a "net-stomping" might be a little more serious.

 :lulz:

You were an asshole who got personal, and received personal in return.

Prove it. 

No. I don't negotiate with trolls, especially random stranger trolls.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 22, 2013, 12:41:26 am
Can everyone hear CPD furiously digging through my old posts?

Totes.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2013, 12:42:44 am
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 12:45:47 am
Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:

You get your stupid shit stomped every time you post here.

That's why you want everything deleted.  :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 12:46:40 am
I'm not one who is to keen about taking orders.  My terms remain as they were laid out.

:spittake:

RWHN's "terms".  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 12:50:10 am
Who are you worried is going to see it, RWHN? Did all those people at your job that you lied about find out your SN?  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 12:52:15 am
"Net-Stomping". 

 :lulz:

Do you hold little army guys and make "pew pew" sounds when you are "net-stomping" ?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 01:01:04 am
"Net-Stomping". 

 :lulz:

Do you hold little army guys and make "pew pew" sounds when you are "net-stomping" ?

No, I just do what I've done in this thread. With the ultimate goal for you to leave.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 01:04:03 am
Not going to happen. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2013, 01:05:21 am
I'm not one who is to keen about taking orders.  My terms remain as they were laid out.

:spittake:

RWHN's "terms".  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

He is not to keen about taking orders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knWpLdlPD88
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 22, 2013, 01:08:39 am
Not going to happen.

I wasn't asking.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 01:46:43 am
Maybe someone should "net-stomp" me, teach me a lesson.

 :lulz:


Teehee I will I just have to wait those 4 months.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 01:49:59 am
Does anyone else find it a little, off, that he pays such close attention to details of my personal life?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 03:38:27 am
I'm not one who is to keen about taking orders.  My terms remain as they were laid out.

Um...let's see...

NOPE.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 03:40:51 am
Does anyone else find it a little, off, that he pays such close attention to details of my personal life?

NOPE.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 03:42:33 am
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

Well, here's the disconnect, RWHN.  You're not a villain because of your opinions and views.  You're a shitneck, because you are a basically unpleasant person.  You're not a "villain", you're a jerk.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 03:43:35 am
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted.

What, and wreck the trail?   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 22, 2013, 03:50:01 am
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted.

What, and wreck the trail?   :lulz:
it would be terrible if his adoring public found out he was sleeping with beer.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 03:50:50 am
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted.

What, and wreck the trail?   :lulz:
it would be terrible if his adoring public found out he was sleeping with beer.

I don't care what else happens, my sig stays.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 04:06:27 am
4 more months 4 more months.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Telarus on October 22, 2013, 05:10:47 am
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

I never did this once. I went into those threads with avoiding that specifically in mind (actually part of my meditation training at the time), and only tried to bring up things I could link to sources. I always argued from a position of respect, as you do influence your community, and any genuine, new information I could shoot your way would only benefit said community.

When you started spinning in circles, and ignoring corrections-made-by-the-authors-of-studies-you-had-cited-from-DEA-websites, and refused to pay attention to anyone who said "[citation needed]", well then the sarcasm-laced-knives came out and I SHUT THE HELL UP AND MOVED TO THE BACK.

I seriously disagreed with some of the things that were said, but I ain't nobody's internet white knight and you dug that hole yourself.

In short: You and your over-generalizations can Fuck Off.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Pæs on October 22, 2013, 06:31:23 am
Also get a suit that fits.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2013, 07:40:47 am
Also get a suit that fits.

Oh now you're going too far.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 07:56:38 am
Also get a suit that fits.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 22, 2013, 08:20:26 am
How RWHN sees himself:

(http://www.independent.co.uk/migration_catalog/article5111398.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/pg-52-batman.jpeg)

What's actually going on:

(http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/01/GothamCityImpostors-610x317.jpg)

Seriously.

'I'm the user PD.com deserves'

It'd be funny if it wasn't so goddamn tragic.

Wait, no, still pretty funny.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 22, 2013, 08:22:32 am
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

I never did this once. I went into those threads with avoiding that specifically in mind (actually part of my meditation training at the time), and only tried to bring up things I could link to sources. I always argued from a position of respect, as you do influence your community, and any genuine, new information I could shoot your way would only benefit said community.

When you started spinning in circles, and ignoring corrections-made-by-the-authors-of-studies-you-had-cited-from-DEA-websites, and refused to pay attention to anyone who said "[citation needed]", well then the sarcasm-laced-knives came out and I SHUT THE HELL UP AND MOVED TO THE BACK.

I seriously disagreed with some of the things that were said, but I ain't nobody's internet white knight and you dug that hole yourself.

In short: You and your over-generalizations can Fuck Off.

Nail. Head. Hitting.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 22, 2013, 09:03:10 am
So, in a nutshell, rwhn demand account deleted so his boss wont find his posts and realise he's an imbecile.

He goes about this by spamming the board with more and more, increasingly idiotic posts.

 :?

 :banana:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 22, 2013, 09:43:32 am
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted.

It is policy not to delete accounts. There are a number of reasons for this, in some cases it is for my legal protection (we might delete the account but every post will stay as will the user name associated with it).

In others its because old threads look really confusing if you have removed a load of messages from them.

I'm sorry if that's not the answer you were hoping for but you must appreciate an adherence to policy.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 22, 2013, 10:05:34 am
You've got the cart before the horse. 

And I laid out my terms.  I'll leave if my account is deleted.

It is policy not to delete accounts. There are a number of reasons for this, in some cases it is for my legal protection (we might delete the account but every post will stay as will the user name associated with it).

In others its because old threads look really confusing if you have removed a load of messages from them.

I'm sorry if that's not the answer you were hoping for but you must appreciate an adherence to policy.

:spittake:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 11:11:57 am
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

Well, here's the disconnect, RWHN.  You're not a villain because of your opinions and views.


Bullshit. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2013, 11:12:39 am
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 22, 2013, 11:27:37 am
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/kQFKtI6gn9Y/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 22, 2013, 02:35:52 pm
Man, I've been pretty hands off through this whole thing, but when you manage to piss off Telarus that's pretty fucking impressive.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 02:41:43 pm
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

Well, here's the disconnect, RWHN.  You're not a villain because of your opinions and views.


Bullshit.

Cry some more.

Your response editing has now made me decide that I don't wish to be helpful in this matter any further.  As far as I'm concerned, your shit stays.  Period.  And if you want a thread split (you never did respond to that), maybe good fairies will come along and do it for you.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 05:01:53 pm
So, in a nutshell, rwhn demand account deleted so his boss wont find his posts and realise he's an imbecile.

He goes about this by spamming the board with more and more, increasingly idiotic posts.

 :?

 :banana:

Where is that post from awhile back where he said the other people where he works with would be LOST WITHOUT HIS SUPERIOR RWHN BRAINZ(TM)? That needs to be linked in ALL THE RWHN THREADS.  :lulz:

Oh, and the stuff about the Black lady at work who allegedly had the hots for him.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:06:34 pm
So, in a nutshell, rwhn demand account deleted so his boss wont find his posts and realise he's an imbecile.

He goes about this by spamming the board with more and more, increasingly idiotic posts.

 :?

 :banana:

Where is that post from awhile back where he said the other people where he works with would be LOST WITHOUT HIS SUPERIOR RWHN BRAINZ(TM)? That needs to be linked in ALL THE RWHN THREADS.  :lulz:

Oh, and the stuff about the Black lady at work who allegedly had the hots for him.

Getting a little close to IRLing the argument, here.  I disagree - and won't allow - deliberate attempts to fuck him or anyone else over in any IRL sense.  What comes out of HIS mouth is his own problem.  He doesn't seem to need any help in that department.

This isn't to say you can't quote him.  But I don't want to see any attempts to google bomb him.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 05:15:46 pm
How are you going to "not allow" anything?  You have no control over what a dip-shit does IRL, and you even aid and abet them by

A) posting my real name and
B) making up bullshit that they gladly eat up.

Like the whole "black lady" at work thing.  Complete fabrication, but people believe it because you perpetuated it.  If you REALLY are concerned about people taking this IRL, you could help by not posting my name and making up shit.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:22:59 pm
How are you going to "not allow" anything?  You have no control over what a dip-shit does IRL, and you even aid and abet them by

I am, of course, referring to this board.

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A) posting my real name and

Yes, there is only one Gone in Maine.  Bad Admin, no e-porn.

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B) making up bullshit that they gladly eat up.

:lulz:  That would be kinda redundant, wouldn't it?

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Like the whole "black lady" at work thing.  Complete fabrication, but people believe it because you perpetuated it.

I did?

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  If you REALLY are concerned about people taking this IRL, you could help by not posting my name and making up shit.

I'm not really concerned at all.  I just won't allow it to be arranged here.  Not because I have any concern over your fate, but because it's bad practice.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 05:24:28 pm
But you are A-OK with greasing the wheels apparently.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:25:25 pm
But you are A-OK with greasing the wheels apparently.

Nothing I have ever posted on this board was done without your full cooperation.

It's just unfortunate that you have a really rare first name.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 05:26:47 pm
You didn't ask permission to post my real name.

There was no cooperation.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2013, 05:26:55 pm
So, in a nutshell, rwhn demand account deleted so his boss wont find his posts and realise he's an imbecile.

He goes about this by spamming the board with more and more, increasingly idiotic posts.

 :?

 :banana:

Where is that post from awhile back where he said the other people where he works with would be LOST WITHOUT HIS SUPERIOR RWHN BRAINZ(TM)? That needs to be linked in ALL THE RWHN THREADS.  :lulz:

Oh, and the stuff about the Black lady at work who allegedly had the hots for him.

Getting a little close to IRLing the argument, here.  I disagree - and won't allow - deliberate attempts to fuck him or anyone else over in any IRL sense.  What comes out of HIS mouth is his own problem.  He doesn't seem to need any help in that department.

This isn't to say you can't quote him.  But I don't want to see any attempts to google bomb him.

I agree with you.

Of course, just like all the other times either of us stuck up for him, that will somehow be turned around in his head to us either condoning it, or standing idly by while people threaten to google bomb his reputation.

ETA: Never mind, I see that in the time it took me to post that, it had already happened.  :roll:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 05:29:07 pm
You've perpetuated the made up bullshit too, including the "black lady" at work fairy tale.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:29:46 pm
Of course, just like all the other times either of us stuck up for him, that will somehow be turned around in his head to us either condoning it, or standing idly by while people threaten to google bomb his reputation.

This is why I'm not sticking up for him.  He is, IMO, beyond the pale.  I don't agree with IRLing shit, though, for the same reason I don't support torturing accused terrorists.  It harms the perpetrator as well as the victim, and it's effectively pointless, anyway.

For real, he's just a self-aggrandizing, self-admittedly arrogant retard on the internet.  If you wanted to crusade against that sort of thing, you'd never get to stop.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:30:28 pm
You've perpetuated the made up bullshit too, including the "black lady" at work fairy tale.

You said I did that, but I don't remember it.  You of course didn't provide a link.  Of course.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 05:34:43 pm
You've perpetuated the made up bullshit too, including the "black lady" at work fairy tale.

You said I did that, but I don't remember it.  You of course didn't provide a link.  Of course.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:36:25 pm
You've perpetuated the made up bullshit too, including the "black lady" at work fairy tale.

You said I did that, but I don't remember it.  You of course didn't provide a link.  Of course.

I was referring to your earlier accusation.

Like the whole "black lady" at work thing.  Complete fabrication, but people believe it because you perpetuated it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:39:35 pm
Because the way I remember it, the woman at work crushing on you was different than the Black lady you met on some dating site, IIRC.

And as I recall, it was Stella who said she was at your job, not Nigel.  At least initially.

But I really don't care, because I dislike you.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 22, 2013, 05:42:01 pm
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

I never did this once. I went into those threads with avoiding that specifically in mind (actually part of my meditation training at the time), and only tried to bring up things I could link to sources. I always argued from a position of respect, as you do influence your community, and any genuine, new information I could shoot your way would only benefit said community.

When you started spinning in circles, and ignoring corrections-made-by-the-authors-of-studies-you-had-cited-from-DEA-websites, and refused to pay attention to anyone who said "[citation needed]", well then the sarcasm-laced-knives came out and I SHUT THE HELL UP AND MOVED TO THE BACK.

I seriously disagreed with some of the things that were said, but I ain't nobody's internet white knight and you dug that hole yourself.

In short: You and your over-generalizations can Fuck Off.

That fact that RWHN has nothing to say to this says everything you need to know about him. All the rest of this talking with him is a waste of time. This is about character, when it comes down to it. And this illustrates his perfectly.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 05:45:26 pm
I've never said anything about anyone at work having a crush on me because no such thing has ever occurred.  There aren't even any black people in my office. 

I dated a black woman for awhile, but broke it off when it was clear we didn't work. 

This is what I'm talking about, this endless game of Chinese whispers with little bits of my personal life that get all mixed up and Frankensteined until you have fables that are completely false.

The thing with your father is another example.  There was a thread about putting personal information on the internet and I simply said a good rule of thumb is less = better.  I had no idea that the thread was predicated on something that happened to your father and I cleared that up as soon as I figured it out.  But that hasn't stopped you from perpetuating this myth that I KNOWINGLY was taking a poke at your father.

Stop making shit up.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Demolition Squid on October 22, 2013, 05:45:40 pm
I felt much the same way after the way he responded to Coyote a couple weeks back.

The man is an empty suit, and as has been pointed out many times, it isn't even a particularly nice suit.

I'm going to go back to ignoring him, acknowledging his existence is too depressing.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:51:03 pm
The thing with your father is another example.  There was a thread about putting personal information on the internet and I simply said a good rule of thumb is less = better.  I had no idea that the thread was predicated on something that happened to your father and I cleared that up as soon as I figured it out.  But that hasn't stopped you from perpetuating this myth that I KNOWINGLY was taking a poke at your father.

That, right there, is a bunch of shit.  You gloated.

So, you know, I am surprisingly low on sympathy for your cause, here.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:51:30 pm
I also notice a distinct lack of link.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 05:51:57 pm
The thing with your father is another example.  There was a thread about putting personal information on the internet and I simply said a good rule of thumb is less = better.  I had no idea that the thread was predicated on something that happened to your father and I cleared that up as soon as I figured it out.  But that hasn't stopped you from perpetuating this myth that I KNOWINGLY was taking a poke at your father.

That, right there, is a bunch of shit.  You gloated.

So, you know, I am surprisingly low on sympathy for your cause, here.

You've never been able to prove that.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 05:53:29 pm
The thing with your father is another example.  There was a thread about putting personal information on the internet and I simply said a good rule of thumb is less = better.  I had no idea that the thread was predicated on something that happened to your father and I cleared that up as soon as I figured it out.  But that hasn't stopped you from perpetuating this myth that I KNOWINGLY was taking a poke at your father.

That, right there, is a bunch of shit.  You gloated.

So, you know, I am surprisingly low on sympathy for your cause, here.

You've never been able to prove that.

This isn't a court of law.  I know you gloated, you know you gloated.  Now you're getting bit yourself, and you're whining at an olympic level.

So, you know, watch me not care.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 06:23:43 pm
How are you going to "not allow" anything?  You have no control over what a dip-shit does IRL, and you even aid and abet them by

A) posting my real name and
B) making up bullshit that they gladly eat up.

Like the whole "black lady" at work thing.  Complete fabrication, but people believe it because you perpetuated it.  If you REALLY are concerned about people taking this IRL, you could help by not posting my name and making up shit.
How are you going to "not allow" anything?  You have no control over what a dip-shit does IRL, and you even aid and abet them by

A) posting my real name and
B) making up bullshit that they gladly eat up.

Like the whole "black lady" at work thing.  Complete fabrication, but people believe it because you perpetuated it.  If you REALLY are concerned about people taking this IRL, you could help by not posting my name and making up shit.

I'm the one who's going to ruin your IRL, but only and only if you post people's IRL info here. You've got 4 months before you leave for good, and my hand will be on the trigger at all times.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 06:30:39 pm
Here's the score dipshit.


Between DOUR and RWHN, only one person has posted any personal information of another user on this website.


Here's your hint: it wasn't me.


As much as I dislike DOUR, I would never post any of his IRL information, nor anyone else's.  That's just low.


But to date you and Stella have threatned it, and DOUR has actually done it. 


But I'm glad you've finally admitted that you are a cyberstalker. 

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 06:32:32 pm
So, in a nutshell, rwhn demand account deleted so his boss wont find his posts and realise he's an imbecile.

He goes about this by spamming the board with more and more, increasingly idiotic posts.

 :?

 :banana:

Where is that post from awhile back where he said the other people where he works with would be LOST WITHOUT HIS SUPERIOR RWHN BRAINZ(TM)? That needs to be linked in ALL THE RWHN THREADS.  :lulz:

Oh, and the stuff about the Black lady at work who allegedly had the hots for him.

Getting a little close to IRLing the argument, here.  I disagree - and won't allow - deliberate attempts to fuck him or anyone else over in any IRL sense.  What comes out of HIS mouth is his own problem.  He doesn't seem to need any help in that department.

This isn't to say you can't quote him.  But I don't want to see any attempts to google bomb him.

No worries.

All I was going to do was quote him. A LOT.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 06:37:06 pm
Here's the score dipshit.


Between DOUR and RWHN, only one person has posted any personal information of another user on this website.


Here's your hint: it wasn't me.


As much as I dislike DOUR, I would never post any of his IRL information, nor anyone else's.  That's just low.


But to date you and Stella have threatned it, and DOUR has actually done it. 


But I'm glad you've finally admitted that you are a cyberstalker. 




It wasn't hard finding out everything I know with the video of you in that horrible suit. How are you surprised by this? Remember I have a man crush on you.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 06:42:25 pm
Whoops, double posted. Oh well.

Here's the score dipshit.


Between DOUR and RWHN, only one person has posted any personal information of another user on this website.


Here's your hint: it wasn't me.


As much as I dislike DOUR, I would never post any of his IRL information, nor anyone else's.  That's just low.


But to date you and Stella have threatned it, and DOUR has actually done it. 


But I'm glad you've finally admitted that you are a cyberstalker.

What was that about fairy tales?  :lol:

And true, I may have your Casperinas confused. Imaginary girlfriends can be a bitch to keep track of.

I'll know when I dig up the posts.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
It wasn't hard finding out everything I know with the video of you in that horrible suit. How are you surprised by this? Remember I have a man crush on you.


Like I said, cyberstalker. 



Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 06:49:24 pm
It wasn't hard finding out everything I know with the video of you in that horrible suit. How are you surprised by this? Remember I have a man crush on you.


Like I said, cyberstalker. 





I'm just a bear boo in love don't be that way. We can get past the salt in our wounds.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 06:50:02 pm
And by the way, a video that I didn't post here.  Someone else found it and linked it here. 


Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 22, 2013, 06:51:34 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 06:52:39 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Hush Nigel.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 22, 2013, 06:52:43 pm
Ugh, guys, I'll make cookies already, just let me clean the kitchen and stop posting at Fuckity McCookiehater
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 06:53:55 pm
And by the way, a video that I didn't post here.  Someone else found it and linked it here. 




And love said no.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 06:55:59 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"


Incorrect.  I've never linked to anything with my real name in it. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 06:56:30 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Actually, he just mentioned the article.  By "mentioned", I mean "crowed".  He didn't actually link to it.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 22, 2013, 06:58:50 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Actually, he just mentioned the article.  By "mentioned", I mean "crowed".  He didn't actually link to it.

Well then I recind that minor bit of derision towards him.

He is still a world class piece of shit.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:01:44 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Actually, he just mentioned the article.  By "mentioned", I mean "crowed".  He didn't actually link to it.

Well then I recind that minor bit of derision towards him.

He is still a world class piece of shit.


See, this is a perfect example of how this Chinese Whispers nonsense works around here.  But none of you actually stop to consider that do you?  You unquestioningly accept what someone else says even though it is complete horseshit.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2013, 07:02:18 pm
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:05:41 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Actually, he just mentioned the article.  By "mentioned", I mean "crowed".  He didn't actually link to it.


I don't need to, you apparently have some cyberstalkers here who are more than happy to do the digging, even though you said you weren't ever going to allow that here. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 07:06:03 pm
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You unquestioningly accept what someone else says even though it is complete horseshit.

...said RWHN

 :lulz:

:lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:07:22 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Actually, he just mentioned the article.  By "mentioned", I mean "crowed".  He didn't actually link to it.


I don't need to, you apparently have some cyberstalkers here who are more than happy to do the digging, even though you said you weren't ever going to allow that here.

And I gotta ask you at this point:  You brag about a column, someone googles said column, this to you is cyberstalking?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 07:07:54 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Actually, he just mentioned the article.  By "mentioned", I mean "crowed".  He didn't actually link to it.


I don't need to, you apparently have some cyberstalkers here who are more than happy to do the digging, even though you said you weren't ever going to allow that here. 


I haven't posted your info yet. Waiting for you to go full retard in 4 months, and burn this place down. You know for the children.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:08:48 pm
^ cyberstalker
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:09:55 pm
"Haven't posted it yet" which implies he has gathered it. 


You going to do something about this or not?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2013, 07:12:21 pm
says that asshole who posted a link to a newspaper article the he wrote and was published with his name in it.

"People know who I am"
"STOP THEM FROM FINDING OUT ABOUT ME!!!"

Actually, he just mentioned the article.  By "mentioned", I mean "crowed".  He didn't actually link to it.


I don't need to, you apparently have some cyberstalkers here who are more than happy to do the digging, even though you said you weren't ever going to allow that here.

And I gotta ask you at this point:  You brag about a column, someone googles said column, this to you is cyberstalking?

Googling a newspaper article is a little different from googling a home address. It is, after all, a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:13:32 pm
Googling, and then linking, providing my PI without my permission. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:15:13 pm
Googling, and then linking, providing my PI without my permission.

Linking to a newspaper article breaks no rule that exists, or has ever existed, on PD.com.

Sorry about that. 

"You should be more careful as to what gets put out there"...Or words to that effect.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:15:57 pm
"Haven't posted it yet" which implies he has gathered it. 


You going to do something about this or not?

Bear, don't post that shit that you may or may not have, that was posted via Youtube 3 months ago.

There.  Problem solved.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:19:59 pm
And I would like you to no longer post my real name. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:23:45 pm
And I would like you to no longer post my real name.

I'd like a lot of things that I won't get, either.  If I post your entire name, then it's my bad.

But "He" isn't a giveaway as to your IRL identity.  And you hate it.  Which means I like it.  Because "You should be more careful what gets put out there."

Because what's good for the ailing 70 year old is good for the 38 year old with a full head of hair.

In short, you know, "fuck you".
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:25:26 pm
The thing with your father never happened. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:28:03 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:29:35 pm
The thing with your father never happened.

 :lulz:

Reading your posts is like reading Pravda, circa 1975.  Or Fox News, circa 20 minutes ago.

I was fucking THERE.  I read what you wrote with MY OWN EYES.

And don't give me any of your fucking BULLSHIT about not understanding the fucking situation, because when it was spelled out to you, YOU DUG YOUR FUCKING HEELS IN.

So you'll understand if I don't give a shit for what you like and what you don't like.  Using your first name isn't actionable, given the public nature of the sources of that first name.  Hell, I could LEGALLY get away with your LAST name, but I don't see the need to.

So at this point, I again refer you to our complaints department.  Given your gregarious nature and near-impeccable social habits, I am sure he will drop a bowel-liquifying censure on my pale and pasty ass.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:32:00 pm
He might even use sarcasm on me.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 07:34:36 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:35:18 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.

You are a bad person.   :lulz:

But you have the best avatar ever.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 07:37:21 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.

You are a bad person.   :lulz:

But you have the best avatar ever.

It's your old friend John Paul ready for the revolution.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:38:29 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.

You are a bad person.   :lulz:

But you have the best avatar ever.

It's your old friend John Paul ready for the revolution.

For real?  With those stupid fucking mini-Rambo weapons?

Amateurs.  Jesus H Christ.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 07:38:36 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

He's gone full blown batshit, hasn't he?  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 07:40:59 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.

You are a bad person.   :lulz:

But you have the best avatar ever.

It's your old friend John Paul ready for the revolution.

For real?  With those stupid fucking mini-Rambo weapons?

Amateurs.  Jesus H Christ.

Dude looks like a washed up hobo.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 07:41:36 pm
^ cyberstalker

Just one look into your eyes
One look and I'm crying
'Cause you're so beautiful

Just one kiss and I'm alive
One kiss and I'm ready to die
'Cause you're so beautiful

Just one touch and I'm on fire
One touch and I'm crying
'Cause you're so beautiful

Just one smile and I'm wild
One smile and I'm ready to die
'Cause you're so beautiful

Oh and you're so beautiful
My darling
Oh you're so beautiful
You're so beautiful
Oh my baby
You're so beautiful
And you're so beautiful
Oh my darling
Oh my baby
And you're so beautiful
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 07:43:20 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.

You are a bad person.   :lulz:

But you have the best avatar ever.

It's your old friend John Paul ready for the revolution.

For real?  With those stupid fucking mini-Rambo weapons?

Amateurs.  Jesus H Christ.

Dude looks like a washed up hobo.

I thought it was James Hetfield at first.  :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:45:01 pm
The thing with your father is another example.  There was a thread about putting personal information on the internet and I simply said a good rule of thumb is less = better.  I had no idea that the thread was predicated on something that happened to your father and I cleared that up as soon as I figured it out.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2013, 07:50:44 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.

He does make a valid point here, googling firstname drug prevention Maine brings him up as the first result. FWIW.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:51:41 pm
Also, I am the only person with that name that does what I do in this state.  So it kinda does give it away to someone like Bear who has publicly admitted he is cyberstalking me.

Just one look into your eyes, one touch and I'm ready to die. Because you're so beautiful.

He does make a valid point here, googling firstname drug prevention Maine brings him up as the first result. FWIW.

Being the pessimistic cynic I am when it comes to the internet, my guess is that the only true way to protect your information from stalkers on the internet is to not post it on the internet.

HEY...

Fuck off.


Not trying to be difficult, but the reality is, if someone REALLY wants to find stuff, and has even a reasonable amount of internet skills, they will find it.  I could care less about what switches get turned on or off here, but if the goal is to keep a committed stalker (read: completely obsessive) at bay, it's not going to stop them. 


All they have to do is make an account and lurk, or not act as an obvious jackass. 


It's why I am VERY protective of information.  There's a reason only two people on this site know my real name, it's why I don't post pics anymore, it's why I've not posted info about my education.


The fewer crumbs we leave the less likely someone we don't want finding us, will find us.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 07:53:41 pm
I didn't post my first name here jackass.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:57:02 pm
I didn't post my first name here jackass.

No, but you posted about a column the day it was run.  Someone googled that (Can't remember precisely who), and there you were, goofy fucking haircut and all.

Then, AFTER that, you bragged about testimony.  I was curious as to what you are capable of as a public speaker, so I searched it on Youtube.  There you were. And there was the organization's name. On whose website, you have your KIDS names (are you high?), and all manner of information about them.  I DO trust you've corrected that, on account of:

Being the pessimistic cynic I am when it comes to the internet, my guess is that the only true way to protect your information from stalkers on the internet is to not post it on the internet.

HEY...

Fuck off.


Not trying to be difficult, but the reality is, if someone REALLY wants to find stuff, and has even a reasonable amount of internet skills, they will find it.  I could care less about what switches get turned on or off here, but if the goal is to keep a committed stalker (read: completely obsessive) at bay, it's not going to stop them. 


All they have to do is make an account and lurk, or not act as an obvious jackass. 


It's why I am VERY protective of information.  There's a reason only two people on this site know my real name, it's why I don't post pics anymore, it's why I've not posted info about my education.


The fewer crumbs we leave the less likely someone we don't want finding us, will find us.

Which is, of course, why I had no moral quandry in looking at your youtube clip.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 07:58:41 pm
Short and skinny of it:  You saw my complaints about being harrassed, and without bothering to figure out what was going on, you lectured.  To score a point or two.  Just like when you made that comment when I referred to my birthday, you passive-aggressive little wimp.

And then it came around and bit you on your manky ass.  Boo hoo hoo.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 22, 2013, 08:03:44 pm
Here's the facts, as I see them:

-RWHN is an asshole, or very, very good at pretending to be one. So good he convinces himself.

Oh, that's the only fact. So there's just the one then.

That ignore feature, while changing the substance of his posts, does not alter the style.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 08:04:27 pm
There was no mention of your father until about the third page, after I made my posts which were responding to the OP.  It is as clear as day.  And no matter what I have said or haven't said about myself on this website, at no point did I grant permission for people to post things which reveal my PI. 


You have nothing to stand on.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:05:41 pm
There was no mention of your father until about the third page, after I made my posts which were responding to the OP.  It is as clear as day.  And no matter what I have said or haven't said about myself on this website, at no point did I grant permission for people to post things which reveal my PI. 


You have nothing to stand on.

Do you even read the posts you respond to?  Serious question.

And your permission to post 3rd party youtube and/or newspaper links is NOT REQUIRED.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 08:08:24 pm
Which was found using my first name which was discovered when someone linked my article, revealing PI, without my permission.



Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:11:49 pm
Which was found using my first name which was discovered when someone linked my article, revealing PI, without my permission.

You have a point, here?  Linking to a newspaper article does not require your fucking permission.

Which part of this concept is escaping you?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 08:13:08 pm
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:20:32 pm
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?

By all means. 

Let's see the big reveal.  Oh, my, yes.  You as of this moment have a captive audience of one.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 08:23:33 pm
Reread my post. 


Let me try again, are you condoning the revealing of MY personal information without MY consent as long as it is within the letter of the law? 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 08:26:43 pm
See, the difference between you and me is that I actually have some scruples.  I'm not into this vendetta, "net-stomping" stuff.  I would never stoop as low as you as to reveal even a fraction of someone's IRL info, fuck, even if they said it was okay I wouldn't. 

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:29:03 pm
Reread my post. 


Let me try again, are you condoning the revealing of MY personal information without MY consent as long as it is within the letter of the law?

Yes, given the circumstances.  I am absolutely doing that.  No question.  Because it fucking fits the SPIRIT of the law, as well.  Your regret about boasting does not impose any additional moral imperatives on anyone else.

Now, quit being a sissy.  You're DYING to do something here, or at least convince me that you are. 

DO IT. 

Stop prancing around and GET TO IT.

Because, you know, you've known me here for 7+ years.  What part of my personality or lack thereof makes you think that I would be in ANY way averse to you doing whatever the fuck it is you have (or want me to believe you have up your sleeve)?  Because I'm totally NOT into unreasonable escalation, just to watch shit burn.

QUIT BEING A PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE LITTLE TURD AND SHOW YOUR HAND.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:29:19 pm
See, the difference between you and me is that I actually have some scruples.

:spittake:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 22, 2013, 08:31:15 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

I don't. I'll admit, I had no hope about peace with this man and this forum. Not since the day Twid earnestly tried to reach out and the fucker pissed all over him. He WANTS everybody to be against him because it fits his worldview.

We can't call out every asshole we don't like for not being a Discordian, right? Even a drug prevention and prohibitionist. Surely, the RWNH is a Discordian. I want to state that clearly. I'm not saying anyone ELSE is saying he's not, I'm just saying.

But not all Spags have their own happy place here at the PD.com

And that's a damn shame.

I think a large part of the struggle here comes from the fact that he was one of those spags. And many of us loved him for it. That special PD love that isn't full of slobber and tears. That deep respect that we can't properly explain to others, ourselves, or each other, right here.

So, nobody quite wants to give up all the way, and then when any of us do we get really nasty because it's such a blow. I mean, trolls are trolls. And holist is as holist does. But to have one of us go out like that...like this.

Maybe we're just worried, it could happen to any of us. I sure was mad when Charley blocked me on FB because I said Khara was not a very nice person, or because he blocked every one of Roger's Cronies or which he must of thought I was one (I keep sending in the applications, but all I get back is coyote poop).

Every now an again, because none of us really force anything on anyone, comes along of their own accord and figures out what this former tribe member is doing (hooting and hollering and shitting in the fucking sweat lodge, and acting a fool) and tries, and figures out that's all an act. Except for the shitting, the shitting is very real.

And they get super mad. Which often make me more made for some reason.

Anyway, I had a point. Oh yeah, that ignore function works killer. It's all SSDD anyway.



Please forgive me egregious use of general "you" and "we". I recognize there's a lot of stuff going on and many opinions and reactions...
...
...
UNLIKE SOME OTHER PEOPLE I COULD MENTION.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:33:16 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:33:36 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

I don't. I'll admit, I had no hope about peace with this man and this forum. Not since the day Twid earnestly tried to reach out and the fucker pissed all over him. He WANTS everybody to be against him because it fits his worldview.

We can't call out every asshole we don't like for not being a Discordian, right? Even a drug prevention and prohibitionist. Surely, the RWNH is a Discordian. I want to state that clearly. I'm not saying anyone ELSE is saying he's not, I'm just saying.

But not all Spags have their own happy place here at the PD.com

And that's a damn shame.

I think a large part of the struggle here comes from the fact that he was one of those spags. And many of us loved him for it. That special PD love that isn't full of slobber and tears. That deep respect that we can't properly explain to others, ourselves, or each other, right here.

So, nobody quite wants to give up all the way, and then when any of us do we get really nasty because it's such a blow. I mean, trolls are trolls. And holist is as holist does. But to have one of us go out like that...like this.

Maybe we're just worried, it could happen to any of us. I sure was mad when Charley blocked me on FB because I said Khara was not a very nice person, or because he blocked every one of Roger's Cronies or which he must of thought I was one (I keep sending in the applications, but all I get back is coyote poop).

Every now an again, because none of us really force anything on anyone, comes along of their own accord and figures out what this former tribe member is doing (hooting and hollering and shitting in the fucking sweat lodge, and acting a fool) and tries, and figures out that's all an act. Except for the shitting, the shitting is very real.

And they get super mad. Which often make me more made for some reason.

Anyway, I had a point. Oh yeah, that ignore function works killer. It's all SSDD anyway.



Please forgive me egregious use of general "you" and "we". I recognize there's a lot of stuff going on and many opinions and reactions...
...
...
UNLIKE SOME OTHER PEOPLE I COULD MENTION.

"nope"
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:38:24 pm
Maybe we're just worried, it could happen to any of us. I sure was mad when Charley blocked me on FB because I said Khara was not a very nice person, or because he blocked every one of Roger's Cronies or which he must of thought I was one (I keep sending in the applications, but all I get back is coyote poop).

Um, that poop was your first PAYCHECK.  Then you never show up for work.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 08:47:34 pm
See, the difference between you and me is that I actually have some scruples.

:spittake:

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/1020728/glozell-lmao-o.gif)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 22, 2013, 08:49:53 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 08:52:01 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

As can I.
I've loathed the creep since he defended arresting little kids.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 08:55:16 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

As can I.
I've loathed the creep since he defended arresting little kids.

This also never happened. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:55:25 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

I'm just bored by the whole thing now, and my general reaction to boredom is to poke and poke until the wheels come off.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 22, 2013, 08:55:47 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

I don't. I'll admit, I had no hope about peace with this man and this forum. Not since the day Twid earnestly tried to reach out and the fucker pissed all over him. He WANTS everybody to be against him because it fits his worldview.

We can't call out every asshole we don't like for not being a Discordian, right? Even a drug prevention and prohibitionist. Surely, the RWNH is a Discordian. I want to state that clearly. I'm not saying anyone ELSE is saying he's not, I'm just saying.

But not all Spags have their own happy place here at the PD.com

And that's a damn shame.

I think a large part of the struggle here comes from the fact that he was one of those spags. And many of us loved him for it. That special PD love that isn't full of slobber and tears. That deep respect that we can't properly explain to others, ourselves, or each other, right here.

So, nobody quite wants to give up all the way, and then when any of us do we get really nasty because it's such a blow. I mean, trolls are trolls. And holist is as holist does. But to have one of us go out like that...like this.

Maybe we're just worried, it could happen to any of us. I sure was mad when Charley blocked me on FB because I said Khara was not a very nice person, or because he blocked every one of Roger's Cronies or which he must of thought I was one (I keep sending in the applications, but all I get back is coyote poop).

Every now an again, because none of us really force anything on anyone, comes along of their own accord and figures out what this former tribe member is doing (hooting and hollering and shitting in the fucking sweat lodge, and acting a fool) and tries, and figures out that's all an act. Except for the shitting, the shitting is very real.

And they get super mad. Which often make me more made for some reason.

Anyway, I had a point. Oh yeah, that ignore function works killer. It's all SSDD anyway.



Please forgive me egregious use of general "you" and "we". I recognize there's a lot of stuff going on and many opinions and reactions...
...
...
UNLIKE SOME OTHER PEOPLE I COULD MENTION.

"nope"

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 08:56:27 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

There is no big reveal.  RWHN doesn't play dirty. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:56:42 pm
Figured the gutless wonder would scurry past that.

 :lulz:

BOY, I BET HE WAS THE CRAZY ONE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:58:29 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

There is no big reveal.  RWHN doesn't play dirty.

A whole lot of nothing in that hand, eh?

Pity.  I was HOPING things would get interesting.  But you're just a spineless sadsack. 

Which means you really aren't worth any attention at all.

Worm.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:59:04 pm
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 22, 2013, 09:01:26 pm
Maybe we're just worried, it could happen to any of us. I sure was mad when Charley blocked me on FB because I said Khara was not a very nice person, or because he blocked every one of Roger's Cronies or which he must of thought I was one (I keep sending in the applications, but all I get back is coyote poop).

Um, that poop was your first PAYCHECK.  Then you never show up for work.

Whoops. I figure I'll just self-crony, better hours.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 09:09:30 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

There is no big reveal.  RWHN doesn't play dirty.

A whole lot of nothing in that hand, eh?

Pity.  I was HOPING things would get interesting.  But you're just a spineless sadsack. 

Which means you really aren't worth any attention at all.

Worm.

I'm a worm because I won't be a jackass and reveal someone's PI? 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 09:12:56 pm
That's pretty fucked thinking.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 09:17:31 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

As can I.
I've loathed the creep since he defended arresting little kids.

This also never happened.

Because ZERO TOLRUNCE and drug sniffing dogs are there to play patty-cake.

Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

All I want is for the jackass to make his big reveal.  Because then shit stops being BORING and becomes my kind of INTERESTING.

So yes.  Yes.  At the moment, I really DO want things to not just CONTINUE, but ratchet up a notch.

I am having trouble articulating just how much I want this.

I can certainly respect that.

There is no big reveal.  RWHN doesn't play dirty.

A whole lot of nothing in that hand, eh?

Pity.  I was HOPING things would get interesting.  But you're just a spineless sadsack. 

Which means you really aren't worth any attention at all.

Worm.

"Nope" is ALL HE'S GOT.  :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 22, 2013, 09:24:58 pm
Seriously, folks. What can be done here?

Do we want this to just keep going?

I don't. I'll admit, I had no hope about peace with this man and this forum. Not since the day Twid earnestly tried to reach out and the fucker pissed all over him. He WANTS everybody to be against him because it fits his worldview.

We can't call out every asshole we don't like for not being a Discordian, right? Even a drug prevention and prohibitionist. Surely, the RWNH is a Discordian. I want to state that clearly. I'm not saying anyone ELSE is saying he's not, I'm just saying.

But not all Spags have their own happy place here at the PD.com

And that's a damn shame.

I think a large part of the struggle here comes from the fact that he was one of those spags. And many of us loved him for it. That special PD love that isn't full of slobber and tears. That deep respect that we can't properly explain to others, ourselves, or each other, right here.

So, nobody quite wants to give up all the way, and then when any of us do we get really nasty because it's such a blow. I mean, trolls are trolls. And holist is as holist does. But to have one of us go out like that...like this.

Maybe we're just worried, it could happen to any of us. I sure was mad when Charley blocked me on FB because I said Khara was not a very nice person, or because he blocked every one of Roger's Cronies or which he must of thought I was one (I keep sending in the applications, but all I get back is coyote poop).

Every now an again, because none of us really force anything on anyone, comes along of their own accord and figures out what this former tribe member is doing (hooting and hollering and shitting in the fucking sweat lodge, and acting a fool) and tries, and figures out that's all an act. Except for the shitting, the shitting is very real.

And they get super mad. Which often make me more made for some reason.

Anyway, I had a point. Oh yeah, that ignore function works killer. It's all SSDD anyway.



Please forgive me egregious use of general "you" and "we". I recognize there's a lot of stuff going on and many opinions and reactions...
...
...
UNLIKE SOME OTHER PEOPLE I COULD MENTION.

It could've stopped long ago if people could have had the ability to disagree with someone without being disagreeable.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 22, 2013, 09:29:42 pm
Figured the gutless wonder would scurry past that.

 :lulz:

BOY, I BET HE WAS THE CRAZY ONE IN HIGH SCHOOL.

He did listen to  Nirvana.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Telarus on October 22, 2013, 10:06:32 pm

I'm a worm because I won't be a jackass and reveal someone's PI? 

No, because you have had no coherent (or even incoherent) response to anything I've posted in months.

It could've stopped long ago if people could have had the ability to disagree with someone without being disagreeable.

Please, you don't respond to that either.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 22, 2013, 11:18:58 pm
Figured the gutless wonder would scurry past that.

 :lulz:

BOY, I BET HE WAS THE CRAZY ONE IN HIGH SCHOOL.

He did listen to  Nirvana.

In those days he wore a giant hoodie with thumb holes.

Maybe that horrible suit reminds him of the hoodie.

Or he has man boobs.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 23, 2013, 12:11:18 am
"Haven't posted it yet" which implies he has gathered it. 


You going to do something about this or not?

I think I'll go with "not".

Partly because what exactly would I (or anyone) do to stop someone from thinking about doing something?

Oh, and partly because you're a taintknuckle and nobody likes you. Especially me.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 23, 2013, 12:15:17 am
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?

I'm gonna go with "Yes. Absolutely the fuck yes."

But, y'know, only because I hate you. :D
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 23, 2013, 12:18:35 am
I've known people with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE always seemed to like them.
RWHN is the exception.  :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 12:20:26 am
I've known people with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE always seemed to like them.
RWHN is the exception.  :lol:

He brings the board together.  We may violently disagree on many, many things.  But we all hate RWHN.

It's like Everyone Loves Raymond, only backwards.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 23, 2013, 12:32:00 am
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?

I'm gonna go with "Yes. Absolutely the fuck yes."

But, y'know, only because I hate you. :D

Now some bears might take that as some kind of permission. If this shit wasn't easily searchable anyway making the matter moot by now. Anyone who really wants you PI already has it.

Suggestion - Henceforth refer to RWHN as until he deals with the butthurt of his name being used (And therefore, possibly (ha) a wide range of other butthurt) or flounces.

Seriously, this thread is 32 pages. This is a ridiculous flounce. It's gone on for about a year over a dozen threads. Drop the martyr act, display testicular fortitude and grow the fuck up.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 23, 2013, 01:03:43 am

He does make a valid point here, googling firstname drug prevention Maine brings him up as the first result. FWIW.



(http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p475/thosewholeft7/chilicon.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 02:53:42 am
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?

I'm gonna go with "Yes. Absolutely the fuck yes."

But, y'know, only because I hate you. :D

Now some bears might take that as some kind of permission. If this shit wasn't easily searchable anyway making the matter moot by now. Anyone who really wants you PI already has it GONE.

Suggestion - Henceforth refer to RWHN as GONE until he deals with the butthurt of his name being used (And therefore, possibly (ha) a wide range of other butthurt) or flounces.

Seriously, this thread is 32 pages. This is a ridiculous flounce. It's gone on for about a year over a dozen threads. Drop the martyr act, display testicular fortitude and grow the fuck up.

I kind of prefer "Scooter". Reminds me of a puppy.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 02:54:42 am
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?

I'm gonna go with "Yes. Absolutely the fuck yes."

But, y'know, only because I hate you. :D

Now some bears might take that as some kind of permission. If this shit wasn't easily searchable anyway making the matter moot by now. Anyone who really wants you PI already has it.

Suggestion - Henceforth refer to RWHN as GONE until he deals with the butthurt of his name being used (And therefore, possibly (ha) a wide range of other butthurt) or flounces.

Seriously, this thread is 32 pages. This is a ridiculous flounce. It's gone on for about a year over a dozen threads. Drop the martyr act, display testicular fortitude and grow the fuck up.

I kind of prefer "Scooter". Reminds me of a puppy.

Or a muppet, IIRC.  I have changed my mind.  Scooter it is.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 03:08:52 am
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?

I'm gonna go with "Yes. Absolutely the fuck yes."

But, y'know, only because I hate you. :D

Now some bears might take that as some kind of permission. If this shit wasn't easily searchable anyway making the matter moot by now. Anyone who really wants you PI already has it.

Suggestion - Henceforth refer to RWHN as GONE until he deals with the butthurt of his name being used (And therefore, possibly (ha) a wide range of other butthurt) or flounces.

Seriously, this thread is 32 pages. This is a ridiculous flounce. It's gone on for about a year over a dozen threads. Drop the martyr act, display testicular fortitude and grow the fuck up.

I kind of prefer "Scooter". Reminds me of a puppy.

Or a muppet, IIRC.  I have changed my mind.  Scooter it is.

Scooting his ass across the board like a dog on a carpet.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 23, 2013, 03:23:55 am
So you obviously condone maliciously providing my PI without my consent as long as it is within the letter of the law, yes?

I'm gonna go with "Yes. Absolutely the fuck yes."

But, y'know, only because I hate you. :D

Now some bears might take that as some kind of permission. If this shit wasn't easily searchable anyway making the matter moot by now. Anyone who really wants you PI already has it.

Suggestion - Henceforth refer to RWHN as GONE until he deals with the butthurt of his name being used (And therefore, possibly (ha) a wide range of other butthurt) or flounces.

Seriously, this thread is 32 pages. This is a ridiculous flounce. It's gone on for about a year over a dozen threads. Drop the martyr act, display testicular fortitude and grow the fuck up.

I kind of prefer "Scooter". Reminds me of a puppy.

Or a muppet, IIRC.  I have changed my mind.  Scooter it is.

Scooting his ass across the board like a dog on a carpet.

I found him an avvie:

(http://cdn.landthieves.com/board/customavatars/avatar2287_2.gif)

Of course, the dog is actually likable, but otherwise, yeah...accurate.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Upstream Prone Palisade on October 23, 2013, 06:35:03 am
On second thought, I'm okay with him being erased. That way I don't have to be reminded of my gullibility. Reverend who? I've already forgotten. Not like he was anything substantive anyway. This was all a great big game of pretend life.

The community got exactly what it wanted.  After it decided that I was a villain because of my views and opinions, I became a villain.  Go back and look at those drug threads, look at how everyone froths at the mouth to get personal digs in, dragging in some very personal aspects of my personnel life.  And tell me this isn't what they wanted, including the people you look up to.

I never did this once. I went into those threads with avoiding that specifically in mind (actually part of my meditation training at the time), and only tried to bring up things I could link to sources. I always argued from a position of respect, as you do influence your community, and any genuine, new information I could shoot your way would only benefit said community.

When you started spinning in circles, and ignoring corrections-made-by-the-authors-of-studies-you-had-cited-from-DEA-websites, and refused to pay attention to anyone who said "[citation needed]", well then the sarcasm-laced-knives came out and I SHUT THE HELL UP AND MOVED TO THE BACK.

I seriously disagreed with some of the things that were said, but I ain't nobody's internet white knight and you dug that hole yourself.

In short: You and your over-generalizations can Fuck Off.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ohn3OB5.gif)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 04:15:12 pm
I just dropped in to gloat a little.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/22/21081289-clear-majority-favors-legal-marijuana-new-gallup-poll-shows?lite

Quote
For the first time ever in a Gallup poll, a clear majority of the country – 58 percent – say that pot should be legalized. That figure represents an increase of 10 percentage points since last year, according to Gallup. The poll surveyed 1,028 Americans by phone Oct. 3-6.

Those in favor of legalization skew young and liberal, though the biggest increase of support came among people identified as independents. Sixty-two percent of independents favored legalization in 2013, up 12 percentage points from last year, according to the poll. Sixty-five percent of Democrats favored legalization, vs. just 35 percent of Republicans.

The poll broke Americans down into five general age groups: 18 to 29, 30 to 49, 50 to 64, and 65 or older. The only age group not in favor of legalization was those 65 years or older – 53 percent of those polled still opposed legalization.

“Americans are increasingly recognizing that marijuana is less harmful than they’ve been led to believe,” said Mason Tvert, a spokesperson for Marijuana Policy Project.  “I think it’s time to regulate marijuana like alcohol and most Americans appear to agree. We’re seeing support for ending prohibition in states across the country and efforts are being made to change state laws.”

Twenty states, plus the District of Columbia, permit marijuana for medical use. Washington state and Colorado have passed legislation permitting use of the drug recreationally. Marijuana is still considered an illegal drug by the federal government and is categorized as a hallucinogen by the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Gallup first started tracking the question of legalization in 1969, when just 12 percent of the country favored legal use of marijuana. That figure doubled in the 1970s, reaching 28 percent. Support rose steadily and reached 50 percent in 2011, according to Gallup research. A Gallup poll released in early August said that 38 percent of Americans have tried marijuana.

Still, there is opposition.

“I’m concerned that these people that are saying that they are favoring legalization are really not aware or knowledgeable about the marijuana that’s out there today,” said Carla Lowe, the founder of Citizens Against Legalizing Marijuana.

A poll conducted by Pew Research, released in April, said that 52 percent of the country favored legalization.

Carla Lowe, of course, is hilarious.  She's the darling of the Heritage Foundation and Take Back America.

Which is the only place the prohibitionists have any remaining support to speak of.

So good luck "marshalling voices for the big fight", RWHN.  It will be interesting to see who your "allies and bedfellows" are, this time next year.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 04:37:20 pm
Ah yes, the old "the marijuana that's out there today" saw. :lol: Harkening back to some mythical low-THC ditchweed of yesteryear that we all base our perceptions on rather than the marijuana that we grew up with and smoke or see our friends smoking. It's a funny argument; it's basically the argument that those who favor marijuana legalization have less exposure to marijuana than those who oppose it, whereas in reality the opposite is likely true.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 04:47:55 pm
Actually, that is completely true.  The potency has more than doubled since 1983.


Sources:


Mehmedic Z, et al (2010) Potency Trends of r9‐THC and Other Cannabinoids in Confiscated Cannabis Preparations from
1993 to 2008. Journal of Forensic Science, 55(5):120917.


University of Mississippi, National Center for Natural Products Research, Potency Monitoring Project Quarterly Report 107 (January 2010)


Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 04:59:56 pm
And then Scooter is all BAAAAWWWWW It's not fair that people think I'm an obnoxious prat and poke at me for fun BAAAAAWWWWW
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 23, 2013, 05:03:34 pm
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute (even though Scooter is pushing total bullshit, as always) let's suppose that contemporary weed is s00peR d00p3R POTENT compared to 1980's weed.

So fucking what? It's WEED, not China White. FFS.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 05:04:49 pm
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute (even though Scooter is pushing total bullshit, as always) let's suppose that contemporary weed is s00peR d00p3R POTENT compared to 1980's weed.

So fucking what? It's WEED, not China White. FFS.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter.  What matters is that RWHN is on the wrong side of history, and I'm going to enjoy watching his efforts fail.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:07:06 pm
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute (even though Scooter is pushing stuff I can't begin to understand) let's suppose that contemporary weed is s00peR d00p3R POTENT compared to 1980's weed.

So fucking what? It's WEED, not China White. FFS.


ftfy
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 05:09:34 pm
I am a muppet.

ftfy
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 05:10:32 pm
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute (even though Scooter is pushing total bullshit, as always) let's suppose that contemporary weed is s00peR d00p3R POTENT compared to 1980's weed.

So fucking what? It's WEED, not China White. FFS.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter.  What matters is that RWHN is on the wrong side of history, and I'm going to enjoy watching his efforts fail.

He's like that one guy staunchly holding the line against suffrage.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:11:51 pm
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute (even though Scooter is pushing total bullshit, as always) let's suppose that contemporary weed is s00peR d00p3R POTENT compared to 1980's weed.

So fucking what? It's WEED, not China White. FFS.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter.  What matters is that RWHN is on the wrong side of history, and I'm going to enjoy watching his efforts fail.


Oh, I know it is coming.  And you will find it is not the bill of goods you've been sold by the legalization people.  They could give a fuck about your personal freedom, they are after one thing and one thing only, Green.  And so we'll have another legalized vice, alcohol and tobacco will be just as strong as ever, and you'll have more addiction, which will require more treatment, it will require MORE enforcement to keep it from kids (which will ultimately never be enough). 


Add all of those "mores" up and you have something that is going to cost, not save, and all of the money is going to go to the industry, because they will fight tooth and nail all of these taxes they supposedly support,


You are being completely fooled but you are too stupid and blind to recognize it. 


Way to go America!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:13:19 pm
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute (even though Scooter is pushing total bullshit, as always) let's suppose that contemporary weed is s00peR d00p3R POTENT compared to 1980's weed.

So fucking what? It's WEED, not China White. FFS.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter.  What matters is that RWHN is on the wrong side of history, and I'm going to enjoy watching his efforts fail.

He's like that one guy staunchly holding the line against suffrage.


Oh, there's more than one.  Google Project SAM.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 05:14:22 pm
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute (even though Scooter is pushing total bullshit, as always) let's suppose that contemporary weed is s00peR d00p3R POTENT compared to 1980's weed.

So fucking what? It's WEED, not China White. FFS.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter.  What matters is that RWHN is on the wrong side of history, and I'm going to enjoy watching his efforts fail.


Oh, I know it is coming. 

Good.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 05:15:11 pm
You are being completely fooled but you are too stupid and blind to recognize it. 


Way to go America!

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I GIVE YOU...RUSH LIMBAUGH!

Give him a big hand folks, isn't he great?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 05:16:38 pm
Scooter is all "BAWWWWWW it's not fair that people are mean to me just because I've been condescending and insulting and spewing a bunch of baseless propaganda for the last two or three years!"
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:17:24 pm
Pretty sure Rush favors legalization. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 05:18:01 pm
Pretty sure Rush favors legalization.

I was talking about your rhetoric, not your outmoded and valueless opinion, Scooter.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 05:19:41 pm
There's no way  that 40-somethings who grew up around weed and have friends and colleagues who smoke or eat weed and have seen firsthand over decades how not-especially-destructive it is, especially compared to alcohol, could possibly have formed accurate impressions based on their own observations. No, we've all been FOOLED by Big Marijuana!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 05:20:45 pm
After it's legalized it will all be DOOOOOM and civilization falling apart and kids will turn into weed addicts in DROVES and there will be no societal benefits.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:22:14 pm
There's no way  that 40-somethings who grew up around weed and have friends and colleagues who smoke or eat weed and have seen firsthand over decades how not-especially-destructive it is, especially compared to alcohol, could possibly have formed accurate impressions based on their own observations. No, we've all been FOOLED by Big Marijuana!


As it turns out, most of my colleagues are 40-somethings, so in that respect you are correct, they/we haven't been fooled.


You and DOUR on the other hand, completely and utterly clueless, as you have demonstrated time and time again. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 05:24:05 pm
Of course we all know how much Big Marijuana wants pot legalized! http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/big-marijuana-lobby-fights-legalization-efforts-94816.html
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 05:24:21 pm
There's no way  that 40-somethings who grew up around weed and have friends and colleagues who smoke or eat weed and have seen firsthand over decades how not-especially-destructive it is, especially compared to alcohol, could possibly have formed accurate impressions based on their own observations. No, we've all been FOOLED by Big Marijuana!


As it turns out, most of my colleagues are 40-somethings, so in that respect you are correct, they/we haven't been fooled.


You and DOUR on the other hand, completely and utterly clueless, as you have demonstrated time and time again.

:lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:26:05 pm
After it's legalized it will all be DOOOOOM and civilization falling apart and kids will turn into weed addicts in DROVES and there will be no societal benefits.


There will be no societal benefits, just the same social costs we see with the other legal vices.



Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:27:44 pm
Of course we all know how much Big Marijuana wants pot legalized! http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/big-marijuana-lobby-fights-legalization-efforts-94816.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/big-marijuana-lobby-fights-legalization-efforts-94816.html)


That's the medical marijuana industry genius, which will be dwarfed and squashed by the recreational marijuana industry.  Once it is legalized, there will no longer be any need for medical marijuana laws. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 05:28:31 pm
Just got hit by a random drug screen, so I'll be gone for a bit.

 :lulz:

That's one good thing about prohibition, I guess.  Sitting in a clinic's waiting room for NO REASON for HOURS.

Fuck you and everyone like you, RWHN.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
Dumbass, that isn't going to go away when it is legal.  You think your employer is going to want to have a bunch of stoned goons running heavy equipment?  Are you allowed to show up to work drunk?


C'mon, use your brain.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Don Coyote on October 23, 2013, 05:33:41 pm
they don't do random alcohol screenings jackass.  and it's totally Ok to work while hopped up on caffeine and nicotine. or antihistamines.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:38:15 pm
You honestly think employers are going to treat marijuana the same as caffeine and tobacco?  Really?  You are incredibly naive.


As it is now, being certified to use medical marijuana doesn't get you out of a random drug test.  Because employers still view it as impairment.  Great, use your medical marijuana at home, but the stuff still is going to make you high, and no employer is going to risk somebody on marijuana running a forklift.



Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 05:43:06 pm
Really? A piss test determines if you're CURRENTLY high?

Because if not, that's like saying if you drank a beer in the weekend or after work, you should be fired for drinking on the job.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:44:16 pm
Here is some reading material regarding the new MMJ law in Massachusetts which may help shed some light.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 05:45:51 pm
Here is some reading material regarding the new MMJ law in Massachusetts which may help shed some light.

I'm sure this is an accident, but  :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:48:33 pm
Really? A piss test determines if you're CURRENTLY high?

Because if not, that's like saying if you drank a beer in the weekend or after work, you should be fired for drinking on the job.


Employers have a need to maintain safety in the workplace.  Put yourself in their shoes.  Someone who was tested and found to have had marijuana in their system is allowed to still work and does something to cause harm to another employee.  What do you think is going to happen there when it comes to light that the person who caused the accident had tested positive?  You think the family will just say, "oh, it was only marijuana" and not sue the pants off the employer?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:48:56 pm
Here is some reading material regarding the new MMJ law in Massachusetts which may help shed some light.

I'm sure this is an accident, but  :lulz:


Yes it was, http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 05:50:36 pm
Really? A piss test determines if you're CURRENTLY high?

Because if not, that's like saying if you drank a beer in the weekend or after work, you should be fired for drinking on the job.

I think he exists in some sort of weird propaganda bubble into which reality cannot intrude.

Workplaces aren't any safer or better off since random testing was first implemented, and that tells us everything we really need to know.
http://workrights.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dt_drugtesting.pdf
http://www.hazards.org/testingtimes/drugtesting.htm
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 05:52:24 pm
Here is some reading material regarding the new MMJ law in Massachusetts which may help shed some light.

I'm sure this is an accident, but  :lulz:


Yes it was, http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/

Applies to Medical MJ. Which currently puts it in the same realm legally as prescription pills. I believe we're talking about generalized legality, which allows recreational use without a prescription. Which means you didn't answer the question. Of course.

Th
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:55:13 pm
Here is some reading material regarding the new MMJ law in Massachusetts which may help shed some light.

I'm sure this is an accident, but  :lulz:


Yes it was, http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/ (http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/)

Applies to Medical MJ. Which currently puts it in the same realm legally as prescription pills. I believe we're talking about generalized legality, which allows recreational use without a prescription. Which means you didn't answer the question. Of course.

Th


Does legalization turn marijuana into a non-impairing substance?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 05:56:00 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 05:59:08 pm
Here is some reading material regarding the new MMJ law in Massachusetts which may help shed some light.

I'm sure this is an accident, but  :lulz:


Yes it was, http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/ (http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/)

Applies to Medical MJ. Which currently puts it in the same realm legally as prescription pills. I believe we're talking about generalized legality, which allows recreational use without a prescription. Which means you didn't answer the question. Of course.

Th


Does legalization turn marijuana into a non-impairing substance?

Again, the piss test reveals if you HAVE USED, not if you ARE impaired.

So.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 05:59:31 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).


No such test exists.  So we have to go with the technology that currently exists.  You can't test for marijuana like you can alcohol.  There is no ".08" for marijuana.  It's a lot more complicated, which means employers, naturally, are going to ere on the side of caution.  And can you blame them?  Lawsuits are expensive,
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 06:00:06 pm
Here is some reading material regarding the new MMJ law in Massachusetts which may help shed some light.

I'm sure this is an accident, but  :lulz:


Yes it was, http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/ (http://newenglandinhouse.com/2013/07/02/what-medical-marijuana-act-means-for-employers/)

Applies to Medical MJ. Which currently puts it in the same realm legally as prescription pills. I believe we're talking about generalized legality, which allows recreational use without a prescription. Which means you didn't answer the question. Of course.

Th


Does legalization turn marijuana into a non-impairing substance?

Again, the piss test reveals if you HAVE USED, not if you ARE impaired.

So.


Which is the technology we have to work with currently.


So.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 06:00:43 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).

Perhaps like the response testing employed by NASA.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 06:03:10 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).


No such test exists.  So we have to go with the technology that currently exists.  You can't test for marijuana like you can alcohol.  There is no ".08" for marijuana.  It's a lot more complicated, which means employers, naturally, are going to ere on the side of caution.  And can you blame them?  Lawsuits are expensive,

I am aware that it doesn't yet exist, but it seems like a thing worth pursuing. Even if it's just a field sobriety test type thing that employers can be trained in and used to turn away people who are impaired by anything when they show up to work. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but nobody gives bus drivers a breathalizer before they start their shift.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 06:05:13 pm
So, the employee will sue because there is no proof of impairment.

The link you posted said nothing about implied use at work, it was about whether there was use without a prescription.

However, if you have something similar from Colorado, I'd be interested in that, specifically in relation to recreational use.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 23, 2013, 06:16:26 pm
In Ohio, the laws are already "operating while impaired", meaning, /any/ impairment can be counted. From exhaustion to cannabis to alcohol. I don't think anything would have to be changed to account for the "new threat". These things are not hard to implement. But it was never about that.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 06:23:54 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).


No such test exists.  So we have to go with the technology that currently exists.  You can't test for marijuana like you can alcohol.  There is no ".08" for marijuana.  It's a lot more complicated, which means employers, naturally, are going to ere on the side of caution.  And can you blame them?  Lawsuits are expensive,

I am aware that it doesn't yet exist, but it seems like a thing worth pursuing. Even if it's just a field sobriety test type thing that employers can be trained in and used to turn away people who are impaired by anything when they show up to work. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but nobody gives bus drivers a breathalizer before they start their shift.

The Functional Task Test doesn't exist?  :?

Granted, it isn't a chemical test, it's a performance test, but if it's good enough for NASA...
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 06:39:30 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).


No such test exists.  So we have to go with the technology that currently exists.  You can't test for marijuana like you can alcohol.  There is no ".08" for marijuana.  It's a lot more complicated, which means employers, naturally, are going to ere on the side of caution.  And can you blame them?  Lawsuits are expensive,

I am aware that it doesn't yet exist, but it seems like a thing worth pursuing. Even if it's just a field sobriety test type thing that employers can be trained in and used to turn away people who are impaired by anything when they show up to work. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but nobody gives bus drivers a breathalizer before they start their shift.

The Functional Task Test doesn't exist?  :?

Granted, it isn't a chemical test, it's a performance test, but if it's good enough for NASA...

That sounds like I thing I should go read about.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 06:59:49 pm
So, the employee will sue because there is no proof of impairment.

The link you posted said nothing about implied use at work, it was about whether there was use without a prescription.

However, if you have something similar from Colorado, I'd be interested in that, specifically in relation to recreational use.


What you aren't recognizing is that impairment can and does continue after use, thus the need for the testing in the first place.  You seem to be suggesting it should be okay to use marijuana right before coming to work, so long as they don't actually use it AT work.  If they are impaired they are impaired, and thus making their workplace less safe and prone to risk.  Employers are risk averse.


Marijuana is an impairing substance whether or not it is legal, which is why, it will still be subject to testing when it is legal, and rightly so.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 23, 2013, 07:13:47 pm
Remember when this shitstorm was about Nirvana?  I never thought I would ever end up trying to steer a conversation toward Nirvana.

RWHN, why the fuck do you dooooooo this?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:15:10 pm
I just dropped in to gloat a little.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/22/21081289-clear-majority-favors-legal-marijuana-new-gallup-poll-shows?lite (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/22/21081289-clear-majority-favors-legal-marijuana-new-gallup-poll-shows?lite)

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For the first time ever in a Gallup poll, a clear majority of the country – 58 percent – say that pot should be legalized. That figure represents an increase of 10 percentage points since last year, according to Gallup. The poll surveyed 1,028 Americans by phone Oct. 3-6.

Those in favor of legalization skew young and liberal, though the biggest increase of support came among people identified as independents. Sixty-two percent of independents favored legalization in 2013, up 12 percentage points from last year, according to the poll. Sixty-five percent of Democrats favored legalization, vs. just 35 percent of Republicans.

The poll broke Americans down into five general age groups: 18 to 29, 30 to 49, 50 to 64, and 65 or older. The only age group not in favor of legalization was those 65 years or older – 53 percent of those polled still opposed legalization.

“Americans are increasingly recognizing that marijuana is less harmful than they’ve been led to believe,” said Mason Tvert, a spokesperson for Marijuana Policy Project.  “I think it’s time to regulate marijuana like alcohol and most Americans appear to agree. We’re seeing support for ending prohibition in states across the country and efforts are being made to change state laws.”

Twenty states, plus the District of Columbia, permit marijuana for medical use. Washington state and Colorado have passed legislation permitting use of the drug recreationally. Marijuana is still considered an illegal drug by the federal government and is categorized as a hallucinogen by the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Gallup first started tracking the question of legalization in 1969, when just 12 percent of the country favored legal use of marijuana. That figure doubled in the 1970s, reaching 28 percent. Support rose steadily and reached 50 percent in 2011, according to Gallup research. A Gallup poll released in early August said that 38 percent of Americans have tried marijuana.

Still, there is opposition.

“I’m concerned that these people that are saying that they are favoring legalization are really not aware or knowledgeable about the marijuana that’s out there today,” said Carla Lowe, the founder of Citizens Against Legalizing Marijuana.

A poll conducted by Pew Research, released in April, said that 52 percent of the country favored legalization.

Carla Lowe, of course, is hilarious.  She's the darling of the Heritage Foundation and Take Back America.

Which is the only place the prohibitionists have any remaining support to speak of.

So good luck "marshalling voices for the big fight", RWHN.  It will be interesting to see who your "allies and bedfellows" are, this time next year.


Take it up with him.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 23, 2013, 07:18:42 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).


No such test exists.  So we have to go with the technology that currently exists.  You can't test for marijuana like you can alcohol.  There is no ".08" for marijuana.  It's a lot more complicated, which means employers, naturally, are going to ere on the side of caution.  And can you blame them?  Lawsuits are expensive,

Whoops, wrong again Scooter!

OR maybe we're just smarter out here in WA than your buddies in Maine are, but we have a test that detects active THC as opposed to THC metabolites. It tells whether someone is currently impaired or not, not whether or not they've smoked in the last couple weeks.

And they even have a limit established for DUI. Amazing.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 23, 2013, 07:21:36 pm
So, the employee will sue because there is no proof of impairment.

The link you posted said nothing about implied use at work, it was about whether there was use without a prescription.

However, if you have something similar from Colorado, I'd be interested in that, specifically in relation to recreational use.


What you aren't recognizing is that impairment can and does continue after use, thus the need for the testing in the first place.  You seem to be suggesting it should be okay to use marijuana right before coming to work, so long as they don't actually use it AT work.  If they are impaired they are impaired, and thus making their workplace less safe and prone to risk.  Employers are risk averse.


Marijuana is an impairing substance whether or not it is legal, which is why, it will still be subject to testing when it is legal, and rightly so.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, Scooter.

Would you PLEASE go back to 8th grade english class and learn how to construct a fucking paragraph? It's hard enough translating your idiotic babble into something resembling an actual thought without you making it that much harder by refusing to understand things like grammar and punctuation.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 07:24:17 pm
So, the employee will sue because there is no proof of impairment.

The link you posted said nothing about implied use at work, it was about whether there was use without a prescription.

However, if you have something similar from Colorado, I'd be interested in that, specifically in relation to recreational use.


What you aren't recognizing is that impairment can and does continue after use, thus the need for the testing in the first place.  You seem to be suggesting it should be okay to use marijuana right before coming to work, so long as they don't actually use it AT work.  If they are impaired they are impaired, and thus making their workplace less safe and prone to risk.  Employers are risk averse.


Marijuana is an impairing substance whether or not it is legal, which is why, it will still be subject to testing when it is legal, and rightly so.

Your logic is... well, not.  TCH levels can be found up to ten days after smoking.  That is what a pot test will detect.

Smoking before going to work would be the same as doing shots of vodka before going to work.  Both of which would make one imparied.  But that's not what the test is doing.  It's testing if you have TCH in your system, not if you're high.


If I take a shot on Friday, and smoke a joint on Saturday, and do nothing else all weekend, hopefully you'll say I was not impaired on Monday.  And a drug test on Monday would show I have no alcohol in my pee, but I do have TCH.

But you're saying that I should be fired, even though I am not impaired at work, and yet my drug test is positive. 

Again, what are the business rules in Colorado for recreational use?  I'd be interested to find out.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 23, 2013, 07:28:19 pm
I was talking with my Aunt about testing for pot, and we came to the conclusion that some kind of test for impairment but not "do you ever use it" would be the best possible solution. Nobody wants city bus drivers high on the job (even if it would be marginally safer than being drunk).


No such test exists.  So we have to go with the technology that currently exists.  You can't test for marijuana like you can alcohol.  There is no ".08" for marijuana.  It's a lot more complicated, which means employers, naturally, are going to ere on the side of caution.  And can you blame them?  Lawsuits are expensive,

Whoops, wrong again Scooter!

OR maybe we're just smarter out here in WA than your buddies in Maine are, but we have a test that detects active THC as opposed to THC metabolites. It tells whether someone is currently impaired or not, not whether or not they've smoked in the last couple weeks.

And they even have a limit established for DUI. Amazing.

Even the UK has this. Who knew prohibitionists could be so backward.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:31:35 pm
So, the employee will sue because there is no proof of impairment.

The link you posted said nothing about implied use at work, it was about whether there was use without a prescription.

However, if you have something similar from Colorado, I'd be interested in that, specifically in relation to recreational use.


What you aren't recognizing is that impairment can and does continue after use, thus the need for the testing in the first place.  You seem to be suggesting it should be okay to use marijuana right before coming to work, so long as they don't actually use it AT work.  If they are impaired they are impaired, and thus making their workplace less safe and prone to risk.  Employers are risk averse.


Marijuana is an impairing substance whether or not it is legal, which is why, it will still be subject to testing when it is legal, and rightly so.

Your logic is... well, not.  TCH levels can be found up to ten days after smoking.  That is what a pot test will detect.

Smoking before going to work would be the same as doing shots of vodka before going to work.  Both of which would make one imparied.  But that's not what the test is doing.  It's testing if you have TCH in your system, not if you're high.


If I take a shot on Friday, and smoke a joint on Saturday, and do nothing else all weekend, hopefully you'll say I was not impaired on Monday.  And a drug test on Monday would show I have no alcohol in my pee, but I do have TCH.

But you're saying that I should be fired, even though I am not impaired at work, and yet my drug test is positive. 

Again, what are the business rules in Colorado for recreational use?  I'd be interested to find out.


Do you agree that employers tend to be risk averse?  Yes or No.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 23, 2013, 07:33:09 pm
Do you agree that RWHN is pathologically incapable of acknowledging posts that show him to be factually wrong?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:35:51 pm
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0425/Colorado-court-rules-marijuana-smokers-may-be-fired

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 07:38:13 pm
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0425/Colorado-court-rules-marijuana-smokers-may-be-fired



:sigh:

That's about federal law.  Where, you know, it's still illegal.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 07:39:36 pm
Dumbass, that isn't going to go away when it is legal.  You think your employer is going to want to have a bunch of stoned goons running heavy equipment?  Are you allowed to show up to work drunk?


C'mon, use your brain.

Yes, I was just considering that last time I got randomly screened for alcohol.

Wait.  That never happened.

 :lulz:

Fucking moron.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 07:41:28 pm
Do you agree that RWHN is pathologically incapable of acknowledging posts that show him to be factually wrong?

The thing to remember is that it's not his JOB, it's his RELIGION...And a very popular religion at that, dating back to Saint Ronald Reagan.   And as I just recently wrote in another thread, rationalism has NOTHING to do with faith.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:43:17 pm
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0425/Colorado-court-rules-marijuana-smokers-may-be-fired (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0425/Colorado-court-rules-marijuana-smokers-may-be-fired)



:sigh:

That's about federal law.  Where, you know, it's still illegal.


Yes, you are right, it is still illegal federally.  You do realize that is still in the mix, correct?  You can't just pretend that doesn't exist. 


Quote
"For an activity to be lawful in Colorado, it must be permitted by, and not contrary to, both state and federal law," the appeals court stated in its 2-1 conclusion.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:44:59 pm
So, to recap, a Colorado court ruled it is okay for Colorado employers to fire employees who test positive for marijuana.


What more are you looking for?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 07:47:12 pm
So, to recap, a Colorado court ruled it is okay for Colorado employers to fire employees who test positive for marijuana.


What more are you looking for?

Either random screening for alcohol use, or the total repeal of marijuana prohibition.  I'd prefer the latter.

And I think I'll get it, sooner than I used to think.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 07:48:12 pm
So, the employee will sue because there is no proof of impairment.

The link you posted said nothing about implied use at work, it was about whether there was use without a prescription.

However, if you have something similar from Colorado, I'd be interested in that, specifically in relation to recreational use.


What you aren't recognizing is that impairment can and does continue after use, thus the need for the testing in the first place.  You seem to be suggesting it should be okay to use marijuana right before coming to work, so long as they don't actually use it AT work.  If they are impaired they are impaired, and thus making their workplace less safe and prone to risk.  Employers are risk averse.


Marijuana is an impairing substance whether or not it is legal, which is why, it will still be subject to testing when it is legal, and rightly so.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, Scooter.

Would you PLEASE go back to 8th grade english class and learn how to construct a fucking paragraph? It's hard enough translating your idiotic babble into something resembling an actual thought without you making it that much harder by refusing to understand things like grammar and punctuation.

Thanks in advance.

REMEMBER, KIDS:  THERE ARE NO LINGERING IMPAIRMENT ISSUES WITH ALCOHOL.

:lulz::lulz::lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:49:59 pm
So, to recap, a Colorado court ruled it is okay for Colorado employers to fire employees who test positive for marijuana.


What more are you looking for?

Either random screening for alcohol use, or the total repeal of marijuana prohibition.  I'd prefer the latter.

And I think I'll get it, sooner than I used to think.


UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 07:50:35 pm
Dumbass, that isn't going to go away when it is legal.  You think your employer is going to want to have a bunch of stoned goons running heavy equipment?  Are you allowed to show up to work drunk?


C'mon, use your brain.


Statement implies MJ is legal at all levels: local, state, fedeeral.

All responses from LMNO based on that premise.

All subsequest responses from RWHN back away from that premise.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:51:03 pm
Sure, do tests for alcohol, I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 07:51:09 pm
So, to recap, a Colorado court ruled it is okay for Colorado employers to fire employees who test positive for marijuana.


What more are you looking for?

Either random screening for alcohol use, or the total repeal of marijuana prohibition.  I'd prefer the latter.

And I think I'll get it, sooner than I used to think.


UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

REMEMBER, KIDS!  ALCOHOL HAS NO LINGERING EFFECTS!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 07:51:21 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 07:51:26 pm
Sure, do tests for alcohol, I'm fine with that.

Okay.  You'll be fired, but okay.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 07:51:40 pm
Yes, you are right, it is still illegal federally.  You do realize that is still in the mix, correct?  You can't just pretend that doesn't exist. 

I think some wrong lessons were learned in the last century, and I'm not sure how they got learned. Take the two biggest social change movements that happened in the 20th Century (in America) -- Women's Suffrage and Civil Rights. These two movements started as all great movements start out -- from the bottom up, with more and more people becoming sick and goddamn tired of the way things are, and deciding to live in a world where things aren't that way.

Somehow, when the history books were written (or taught, or both), people got the idea that the hard-fought equality (or progress toward equality, anyway) that was won in those movements was somehow a product of things like the 19th Amendment or the Civil Rights Act. And while yes, those pieces of legislation were -- and are -- crucial to the eventual and continued success of these movements, they are not the springs from which equality flows. They never would have happened if people weren't out there, being all free and shit, without permission.

But now we have this idea that the quickest way from Here to There is via the government and convincing lawmakers to send down enlightenment from Mount Olympus or wherever the fuck we seem to think those overblown lawyers live. But just as you can't legislate morality, you can't legislate liberty, either. You can't pass a law that says "Shit is hereby fixed." That isn't where liberty comes from.

It sounds quaint, and for some reason it seems counter-intuitive, but government follows a popular charge for social progress. Government does not lead those charges. You will never, ever find a government anywhere -- no matter how advanced or progressive you think it is -- that will ever be very good at paving the road to equality so the masses can have a smooth ride all the way to Utopia. Like any road, it gets built first by a ton of people walking that way before there's a fucking road there, breaking their legs, stubbing their toes, and spraining their ankles along the way until finally somebody notices that "hey! Everybody's going this way, let's put a grader on that shit and lay down some pavement."
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:54:00 pm
Dumbass, that isn't going to go away when it is legal.  You think your employer is going to want to have a bunch of stoned goons running heavy equipment?  Are you allowed to show up to work drunk?


C'mon, use your brain.


Statement implies MJ is legal at all levels: local, state, fedeeral.

All responses from LMNO based on that premise.

All subsequest responses from RWHN back away from that premise.


MARIJUANA IS AN IMPAIRING SUBSTANCE REGARDLESS OF LEGAL STATUS.


Workplace safety doesn't give a fuck about legal status, it gives a fuck about someone impaired running over someone with a forklift.


C'mon!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 07:54:42 pm
Dumbass, that isn't going to go away when it is legal.  You think your employer is going to want to have a bunch of stoned goons running heavy equipment?  Are you allowed to show up to work drunk?


C'mon, use your brain.


Statement implies MJ is legal at all levels: local, state, fedeeral.

All responses from LMNO based on that premise.

All subsequest responses from RWHN back away from that premise.


MARIJUANA IS AN IMPAIRING SUBSTANCE REGARDLESS OF LEGAL STATUS.


Workplace safety doesn't give a fuck about legal status, it gives a fuck about someone impaired running over someone with a forklift.


C'mon!

AND ALCOHOL IS NOT.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 07:55:22 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 07:57:21 pm
Averse to wrongful termination lawsuits, for certain.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:01:34 pm
Averse to wrongful termination lawsuits, for certain.


How about workplace accidents?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:01:59 pm
Averse to wrongful termination lawsuits, for certain.


How about workplace accidents?

THERE ARE NO LINGERING EFFECTS FROM ALCOHOL.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 08:03:51 pm
RHWN:  What about X?
LMNO: Refutes X.
RWHN: What about Y?
LMNO: Refutes Y.
RHWN:  Well, what about X?
LMNO: Refutes X.
RWHN: Well, what about Y?
LMNO: Refutes Y.
RHWN:  Well, what about X?
LMNO: Refutes X.
RWHN: Well, what about Y?
LMNO: Stops responding.
RWHN: I guess I win.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:06:58 pm
RHWN:  What about X?
LMNO: Refutes X.
RWHN: What about Y?
LMNO: Refutes Y.
RHWN:  Well, what about X?
LMNO: Refutes X.
RWHN: Well, what about Y?
LMNO: Refutes Y.
RHWN:  Well, what about X?
LMNO: Refutes X.
RWHN: Well, what about Y?
LMNO: Stops responding.
RWHN: I guess I win.


You know darn well what I've been asking about in terms of employers being risk averse but you've been dancing around it refusing to acknowledge it.  That isn't refuting, that is obfuscating.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:07:54 pm
THERE ARE NO LINGERING EFFECTS FROM ALCOHOL.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 08:09:01 pm
First,

THERE ARE NO LINGERING EFFECTS FROM ALCOHOL.

Second, your question was an avoidance of mine, and while maybe pertinent to the larger conversation, is a deliberate avoidance of our particular angle.

Y'dingus.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:12:40 pm
First,

THERE ARE NO LINGERING EFFECTS FROM ALCOHOL.


See reply #540

Quote
Second, your question was an avoidance of mine, and while maybe pertinent to the larger conversation, is a deliberate avoidance of our particular angle.

Y'dingus.


You've been ignoring from the start the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, with regards to workplace safety (aka people not being impaired and turning people into jelly with heavy machinery) and the legal status is a moot point.  I've tried like 3 different ways to get you to acknowledge it but you refuse to even address the point. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:16:28 pm
First,

THERE ARE NO LINGERING EFFECTS FROM ALCOHOL.


See reply #540

Great.  So you agree that if any evidence of alcohol use is found by any test, for any length of time preceding the test that can be established, the employer may terminate the employee for that alone?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 23, 2013, 08:17:35 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:19:58 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.

:mittens::potd::mittens:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 23, 2013, 08:20:46 pm
First,

THERE ARE NO LINGERING EFFECTS FROM ALCOHOL.

See reply #540

Great.  So you agree that if any evidence of alcohol use is found by any test, for any length of time preceding the test that can be established, the employer may terminate the employee for that alone?

DRINK ON FRIDAY NIGHT, GET FIRED ON MONDAY MORNING! UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE IN THE BAG, WAHOO!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 23, 2013, 08:21:45 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.

:mittens::potd::mittens:

 :thanks:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:22:35 pm
It wouldn't happen that way in the real world.  In the real world, it would be a positive test along with behavior that deems the employee unfit for duty.  Now, I also happen to believe that workplaces should have substance abuse policies that are supportive, not just punitive.  Anyone can fuck up, if someone pops positive, get them to EAP and link them up with resources and get them some help.  I don't think employers SHOULD fire them on the spot, but the law says they can.


I also know that employers are risk averse and can understand why they would want to terminate someone who is coming to work positive for drugs.  That is a potential workplace safety issue that can be VERY costly.


My dad is a safety director for a large employer so I have a bit of a window into these issues.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 23, 2013, 08:23:28 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.

Aha

AHAHAHAHAHAA. 5 stars, proceed directly to free parking and collect kudos.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 23, 2013, 08:24:14 pm
First,

THERE ARE NO LINGERING EFFECTS FROM ALCOHOL.

See reply #540

Great.  So you agree that if any evidence of alcohol use is found by any test, for any length of time preceding the test that can be established, the employer may terminate the employee for that alone?

DRINK ON FRIDAY NIGHT, GET FIRED ON MONDAY MORNING! UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE IN THE BAG, WAHOO!

LIVE LIKE A KING UNDER AUSTERITY. FOREVER.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:24:41 pm
It wouldn't happen that way in the real world.  In the real world, it would be a positive test along with behavior that deems the employee unfit for duty.

Just like how the real world does it with weed.   :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 08:24:54 pm
You've been ignoring from the start the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, with regards to workplace safety (aka people not being impaired and turning people into jelly with heavy machinery) and the legal status is a moot point.  I've tried like 3 different ways to get you to acknowledge it but you refuse to even address the point.

I'm sorry?  I completely admit that MJ is imparing, when you're high.  Your posts make you appear to think that if you show up positive on a pee test for pot, you're high.

What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.


WHICH IS MY ENTIRE POINT RIGHT NOW.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:25:33 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.


No, most of them, which is why they all have lawyers.


Dumbass.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:26:08 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.


No, most of them, which is why they all have lawyers.


Dumbass.

RWHN rage is fucking awesome.  Stella just owned the FUCK out of him.  Watch the froth.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 23, 2013, 08:26:30 pm
It wouldn't happen that way in the real world.  In the real world, it would be a positive test along with behavior that deems the employee unfit for duty.  Now, I also happen to believe that workplaces should have substance abuse policies that are supportive, not just punitive.  Anyone can fuck up, if someone pops positive, get them to EAP and link them up with resources and get them some help.  I don't think employers SHOULD fire them on the spot, but the law says they can.


I also know that employers are risk averse and can understand why they would want to terminate someone who is coming to work positive for drugs.  That is a potential workplace safety issue that can be VERY costly.


My dad is a safety director for a large employer so I have a bit of a window into these issues.

You have fuck all idea about these issues. All you have, as always is a shitty appeal to authority. This time "DADDY SAYS".

Blithering fucking cretin. I bet you wear Velcro shoes with that suit.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:33:08 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.


No, most of them, which is why they all have lawyers.


Dumbass.

RWHN rage is fucking awesome.  Stella just owned the FUCK out of him.  Watch the froth.


Right, the lawyers are just around for kicks, not to advise them on how to not to be on the hook and losing tons of money.  It's the blind leading the blind at PD.COM
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 23, 2013, 08:35:54 pm
UNNNNGGGGG!  Legalization doesn't change the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, employers will continue to not want to have impaired employees so they will continue to test.  This is pretty straightforward.

Positive MJ test is not proof of impairment.


Are employers risk averse?

Maybe a few. If they all were, there would be no need for OSHA.


No, most of them, which is why they all have lawyers.


Dumbass.

RWHN rage is fucking awesome.  Stella just owned the FUCK out of him.  Watch the froth.


Right, the lawyers are just around for kicks, not to advise them on how to not to be on the hook and losing tons of money.  It's the blind leading the blind at PD.COM

Because every company has a lawyer on hand overseeing all activities.

How do you breathe on your own?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:42:59 pm
Including, workplace safety.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:43:44 pm
Including, workplace safety.

So we've also learned in this thread that OSHA isn't necessary because lawyers.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 08:44:25 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:44:48 pm
Including, workplace safety.

So we've also learned in this thread that OSHA isn't necessary because lawyers.


It isn't either/or.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:45:24 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.

And alcohol has no long term effects.  No matter what, you are fully-functional the moment you have metabolized out any actual alcohol in your system.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:46:59 pm
Also, we learned that in the real world, people aren't instantly fired when they fail a drug screen. 

And that EAP will still protect you if you don't approach them before the screen takes place.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 08:48:24 pm
And that circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 08:49:20 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 08:50:28 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

But you just said that in the real world, people don't get fired right away.  EAP or something.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Reginald Ret on October 23, 2013, 08:52:02 pm
You've been ignoring from the start the fact that marijuana is an impairing substance, with regards to workplace safety (aka people not being impaired and turning people into jelly with heavy machinery) and the legal status is a moot point.  I've tried like 3 different ways to get you to acknowledge it but you refuse to even address the point.

I'm sorry?  I completely admit that MJ is imparing, when you're high.  Your posts make you appear to think that if you show up positive on a pee test for pot, you're high.

What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.


WHICH IS MY ENTIRE POINT RIGHT NOW.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.
What you're ignoring is that the test is not an accurate measurement of impairment.

Repetition often helps messages be remembered.

added:
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?
If you can't tell if someone is impaired then you are fucked anyway. There are 5000 ways to be impaired, focussing the attention on these tests is stupid. test for reaction time or something.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 08:58:29 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:02:11 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.


Are you seriously arguing that employees never go to work impaired ever?  Really?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Kai on October 23, 2013, 09:10:16 pm
I think Scooter is a shill, being paid here to front these particular opinions and make these arguments, and given that he /is/ getting paid, this is why he refuses to leave. Apparently this is becoming a popular way to spread propaganda these days, so I wouldn't put it past the FDA.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:12:36 pm
I think Scooter is a shill, being paid here to front these particular opinions and make these arguments, and given that he /is/ getting paid, this is why he refuses to leave. Apparently this is becoming a popular way to spread propaganda these days, so I wouldn't put it past the FDA.

More likely the DEA.

5 years ago, I'd have told you to get a tinfoil hat.  I would have been wrong.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:22:06 pm
I think Scooter is a shill, being paid here to front these particular opinions and make these arguments, and given that he /is/ getting paid, this is why he refuses to leave. Apparently this is becoming a popular way to spread propaganda these days, so I wouldn't put it past the FDA.


 :o


You really think the FDA, DEA, or frankly ANYONE at the federal government gives two shits about a dozen people on a message board?


I stay because I'm entertained. 


I mean, really, people denying that people go to work impaired, that is just nutty stuff that you can't find just anywhere. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:24:08 pm
I think Scooter is a shill, being paid here to front these particular opinions and make these arguments, and given that he /is/ getting paid, this is why he refuses to leave. Apparently this is becoming a popular way to spread propaganda these days, so I wouldn't put it past the FDA.


 :o


You really think the FDA, DEA, or frankly ANYONE at the federal government gives two shits about a dozen people on a message board?


I stay because I'm entertained. 


I mean, really, people denying that people go to work impaired, that is just nutty stuff that you can't find just anywhere.

So, you are denying the fact that the US government has been infiltrating social media?

Please say yes.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:25:14 pm
I'm saying no one gives a shit about a few Discordians.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:25:59 pm
I'm saying no one gives a shit about a few Discordians.

And yet here you are.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Junkenstein on October 23, 2013, 09:26:21 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.


Are you seriously arguing that employees never go to work impaired ever?  Really?

Pretty sure you're impaired at work anyway.

Anyway, I wouldn't guess shill. I can respect that to a degree. We've all probably had to shill at one time or another because rent. This is just attention seeking.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 09:26:34 pm
to be fair, I'm pretty sure the astroturfing programs they've paid for are primarily targeting twitter and facebook. He's not playing anchortext games with his links, either.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:26:50 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:27:45 pm
Do you guys listen to Coast to Coast at night?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 23, 2013, 09:28:54 pm
Do you guys listen to Coast to Coast at night?

Not since they started remotely scanning my brain.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 09:29:09 pm
Is this the part where you tell me that the government didn't buy software specifically designed for astroturfing campaigns? Oh, please tell me it's that part.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:30:29 pm
to be fair, I'm pretty sure the astroturfing programs they've paid for are primarily targeting twitter and facebook. He's not playing anchortext games with his links, either.

I don't think he is, either, to be perfectly honest.  Because he'd have been fired for incompetence years ago.  He's convinced more people to be rabidy anti-prohibition than anything else.  I know I went from being on the fence in 2010 (I was in favor of decriminalization but not really legalization) to wanting weed to be completely legalized in 2012.

And I am reasonably certain that I am not alone in that.

 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 23, 2013, 09:31:03 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.

So if this forum is so obscure and insignificant, why are you so worked up about people referring to you by your real name?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:33:07 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.

So if this forum is so obscure and insignificant, why are you so worked up about people referring to you by your real name?


Because of creeps like Agrippa and Mr. Bear.


I have kids may I remind you. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:33:38 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.

So if this forum is so obscure and insignificant, why are you so worked up about people referring to you by your real name?


Because of creeps like Agrippa and Mr. Bear.


I have kids may I remind you.

There you go, releasing personal details again.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 09:33:56 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.

So if this forum is so obscure and insignificant, why are you so worked up about people referring to you by your real name?


Because of creeps like Agrippa and Mr. Bear.


I have kids may I remind you.

Unlike anyone else on this board...
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:36:13 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.

So if this forum is so obscure and insignificant, why are you so worked up about people referring to you by your real name?


Because of creeps like Agrippa and Mr. Bear.


I have kids may I remind you.

Unlike anyone else on this board...


"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids, nor, had their real name published without their permission.   
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 09:37:05 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.


Are you seriously arguing that employees never go to work impaired ever?  Really?
I'm seriously arguing that a piss test is not evidence of impairment.

An argument that you have yet to address.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:38:34 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 23, 2013, 09:38:36 pm
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:47:22 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.


Are you seriously arguing that employees never go to work impaired ever?  Really?
I'm seriously arguing that a piss test is not evidence of impairment.

An argument that you have yet to address.

Did you think he would?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:47:53 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.


Are you seriously arguing that employees never go to work impaired ever?  Really?
I'm seriously arguing that a piss test is not evidence of impairment.

An argument that you have yet to address.

I have addressed it, you don't like the answer.

Employers are risk averse. 

ECH claims there is a reliable test for impairment, if so, then hopefully employers will use them when it is legal.  Until all employers get there, they have to use the tools available and make their best judgement.  Would you want to be responsible for someone who tested positive and caused a workplace accident that claimed another life?

Or are you going to keep skirting that issue and pretending it doesn't exist?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:48:50 pm
ECH claims there is a reliable test for impairment, if so, then hopefully employers will use them when it is legal.  Until all employers get there, they have to use the tools available and make their best judgement.  Would you want to be responsible for someone who tested positive and caused a workplace accident that claimed another life?

Or are you going to keep skirting that issue and pretending it doesn't exist?

Same thing goes for booze.  Right now, if there's any biological indication that you use alcohol, you should be fired on the spot.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 23, 2013, 09:49:11 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.

So if this forum is so obscure and insignificant, why are you so worked up about people referring to you by your real name?


Because of creeps like Agrippa and Mr. Bear.


I have kids may I remind you. 


I'm not in the throw children in jail business.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:49:50 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.

And you are aiding and abetting them by publishing PI without permission.  You feel good aboit yourself?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:50:02 pm
Yeah, one of the Discordians they don't give a shit about.

So if this forum is so obscure and insignificant, why are you so worked up about people referring to you by your real name?


Because of creeps like Agrippa and Mr. Bear.


I have kids may I remind you. 


I'm not in the throw children in jail business.

Oh, RWHN believes in "diversion", which is where you wreck someone's life forever without actually sending them to prison.

Unless they're poor, of course.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:50:45 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.

And you are aiding and abetting them by publishing PI without permission.  You feel good aboit yourself?

Obscene remarks about your kids, scooter?  I believe I missed that.  Perhaps you can link me to it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:51:51 pm
Beuller?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 23, 2013, 09:57:51 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.


Are you seriously arguing that employees never go to work impaired ever?  Really?
I'm seriously arguing that a piss test is not evidence of impairment.

An argument that you have yet to address.

The piss test detects MARIJUANA COOTIES.

We can't have people spreading COOTIES ALL OVER THE WORKPLACE, now, can we?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 23, 2013, 09:57:58 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.

And you are aiding and abetting them by publishing PI without permission.  You feel good aboit yourself?

Obscene remarks about your kids, scooter?  I believe I missed that.  Perhaps you can link me to it.


I once had someone on this forum claim they were going to come to my house and stomp me.  Strangely, they never showed... even after I pm'd them my address.  Funny thing about internet tough guys.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 09:58:22 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.

And you are aiding and abetting them by publishing PI without permission.  You feel good aboit yourself?

Obscene remarks about your kids, scooter?  I believe I missed that.  Perhaps you can link me to it.

Have you forgotten about Agrippa who wanted to go out with my (then) 5 year old girl?

You think that's funny?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 09:58:45 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.

And you are aiding and abetting them by publishing PI without permission.  You feel good aboit yourself?

Obscene remarks about your kids, scooter?  I believe I missed that.  Perhaps you can link me to it.


I once had someone on this forum claim they were going to come to my house and stomp me.  Strangely, they never showed... even after I pm'd them my address.  Funny thing about internet tough guys.

CU or GITM?   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 23, 2013, 09:59:39 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.

And you are aiding and abetting them by publishing PI without permission.  You feel good aboit yourself?

Obscene remarks about your kids, scooter?  I believe I missed that.  Perhaps you can link me to it.


I once had someone on this forum claim they were going to come to my house and stomp me.  Strangely, they never showed... even after I pm'd them my address.  Funny thing about internet tough guys.

CU or GITM?   :lulz:

Neither actually... I don't wanna say here, in case he sniffs around and doesn't want to be embarrassed about it.  But I'll PM it if you like.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 10:06:05 pm
"anyone else on this board" hasn't had creeps make obscene remarks about their kids,

Yeah?  Do tell.

And you are aiding and abetting them by publishing PI without permission.  You feel good aboit yourself?

Obscene remarks about your kids, scooter?  I believe I missed that.  Perhaps you can link me to it.

Have you forgotten about Agrippa who wanted to go out with my (then) 5 year old girl?

You think that's funny?

Yes, I have forgotten it.  I don't even really remember Agrippa.  Perhaps you can link to it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 10:10:36 pm
Here's Agrippa's account.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4374

I looked through the 6 pages of posts he has, and I didn't see anything like that.  I may have missed it, in which case you could perhaps point it out?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 23, 2013, 10:19:29 pm
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 10:43:33 pm
to be fair, I'm pretty sure the astroturfing programs they've paid for are primarily targeting twitter and facebook. He's not playing anchortext games with his links, either.

I don't think he is, either, to be perfectly honest.  Because he'd have been fired for incompetence years ago.  He's convinced more people to be rabidy anti-prohibition than anything else.  I know I went from being on the fence in 2010 (I was in favor of decriminalization but not really legalization) to wanting weed to be completely legalized in 2012.

And I am reasonably certain that I am not alone in that.

I've been saying for over a year that sometimes I'm half-convinced that he's working for the legalization campaign, because he's sort of the one-man Westboro Baptist Church of prohibition.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 10:44:04 pm
to be fair, I'm pretty sure the astroturfing programs they've paid for are primarily targeting twitter and facebook. He's not playing anchortext games with his links, either.

I don't think he is, either, to be perfectly honest.  Because he'd have been fired for incompetence years ago.  He's convinced more people to be rabidy anti-prohibition than anything else.  I know I went from being on the fence in 2010 (I was in favor of decriminalization but not really legalization) to wanting weed to be completely legalized in 2012.

And I am reasonably certain that I am not alone in that.

I've been saying for over a year that sometimes I'm half-convinced that he's working for the legalization campaign, because he's sort of the one-man Westboro Baptist Church of prohibition.

:lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 10:48:47 pm
Here's Agrippa's account.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4374

I looked through the 6 pages of posts he has, and I didn't see anything like that.  I may have missed it, in which case you could perhaps point it out?

Perhaps this?

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,18695.msg620883.html#msg620883

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 10:50:12 pm
to be fair, I'm pretty sure the astroturfing programs they've paid for are primarily targeting twitter and facebook. He's not playing anchortext games with his links, either.

I don't think he is, either, to be perfectly honest.  Because he'd have been fired for incompetence years ago.  He's convinced more people to be rabidy anti-prohibition than anything else.  I know I went from being on the fence in 2010 (I was in favor of decriminalization but not really legalization) to wanting weed to be completely legalized in 2012.

And I am reasonably certain that I am not alone in that.

I've been saying for over a year that sometimes I'm half-convinced that he's working for the legalization campaign, because he's sort of the one-man Westboro Baptist Church of prohibition.

:lulz:

If you think about it, I was on the fence about prohibition. You were on the fence. But after hearing Scooter's arguments, and the counter-arguments, it was hard not to come down on the side of legalization.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 10:50:55 pm
Here's Agrippa's account.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4374

I looked through the 6 pages of posts he has, and I didn't see anything like that.  I may have missed it, in which case you could perhaps point it out?

Perhaps this?

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,18695.msg620883.html#msg620883

Yep.  Dealt with.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2013, 10:56:55 pm
And that one hit of weed will impair you for at least 10 days.


Some employers are dicks.  Employers in an 'at-will' state can fire you for looking at them the wrong way.  An even-handed employer would look at the test along with the rest of the picture,  If you tested positive, but have been a model employee, productive, timely, etc., you are very likely not going to get fired.


But, employers should have tools available to them to catch the ones who are coming impaired and posing a risk to others.  Do you disagree with that notion?  If so, why?

There you go, assuming facts not in evidence.


Are you seriously arguing that employees never go to work impaired ever?  Really?
I'm seriously arguing that a piss test is not evidence of impairment.

An argument that you have yet to address.

I have addressed it, you don't like the answer.

Employers are risk averse. 

ECH claims there is a reliable test for impairment, if so, then hopefully employers will use them when it is legal.  Until all employers get there, they have to use the tools available and make their best judgement.  Would you want to be responsible for someone who tested positive and caused a workplace accident that claimed another life?

Or are you going to keep skirting that issue and pretending it doesn't exist?

"Employers are risk averse" does not mean "Piss tests are/are not evidence of impairment."

Not even close.

First, address that issue, as that is the only one I am talking about right now.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 10:57:41 pm
Here's Agrippa's account.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4374

I looked through the 6 pages of posts he has, and I didn't see anything like that.  I may have missed it, in which case you could perhaps point it out?

Perhaps this?

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,18695.msg620883.html#msg620883

Yep.  Dealt with.

I don't know what thread it was in originally, it was five years ago, but he was dogpiled pretty hard for it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:19:48 pm
The point being, there are creeps like that, like Loveshade, who come to this site, you know this, you know I have kids, YET, you grease the wheels for these creeps anyway.

You are a pathetic excuse of a man.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:20:17 pm
But a typical example of humanity.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 11:21:04 pm
When your kids get on the internet you're going to have heart attacks DAILY.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:21:52 pm
When your kids get on the internet you're going to have heart attacks DAILY.

So that's an excuse?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 11:23:03 pm
The point being, there are creeps like that, like Loveshade, who come to this site, you know this, you know I have kids, YET, you grease the wheels for these creeps anyway.

You are a pathetic excuse of a man.

This didn't seem to be a problem when my old man was being harrassed by Loveshade's crew.  No, at that point you lectured me on the very thing you have done...Allowing PI to flop all over the place.

"Bread crumbs", I believe you called them.

So, you know, fuck off.   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 11:23:34 pm
When your kids get on the internet you're going to have heart attacks DAILY.

So that's an excuse?

What, for you dumping insane amounts of PI on public sites?   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:23:58 pm
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 23, 2013, 11:24:26 pm
You could alway, y'know, just fuck off.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 11:25:02 pm
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?

I'm just laughing at your rather mutable standard, which seems to consist entirely on whether you are on the receiving end, you loathesome fucking hypocrite.

:lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:25:31 pm
The point being, there are creeps like that, like Loveshade, who come to this site, you know this, you know I have kids, YET, you grease the wheels for these creeps anyway.

You are a pathetic excuse of a man.

This didn't seem to be a problem when my old man was being harrassed by Loveshade's crew.  No, at that point you lectured me on the very thing you have done...Allowing PI to flop all over the place.

"Bread crumbs", I believe you called them.

So, you know, fuck off.   :lulz:

And you happily assemble them here in one place.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 23, 2013, 11:26:21 pm
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?

I'm just laughing at your rather mutable standard, which seems to consist entirely on whether you are on the receiving end, you loathesome fucking hypocrite.

:lol:

:lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 11:27:01 pm
The point being, there are creeps like that, like Loveshade, who come to this site, you know this, you know I have kids, YET, you grease the wheels for these creeps anyway.

You are a pathetic excuse of a man.

This didn't seem to be a problem when my old man was being harrassed by Loveshade's crew.  No, at that point you lectured me on the very thing you have done...Allowing PI to flop all over the place.

"Bread crumbs", I believe you called them.

So, you know, fuck off.   :lulz:

And you happily assemble them here in one place.

No, actually, you happily assembled them all at HA, then allowed them to be linked to youtube, then came here boasting about it.

And, back to my main point, you only care about this shit when it's happening to you.  This is DEMONSTRATED.

So I don't care.  See?   :|  <--- Don't care.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 23, 2013, 11:33:36 pm
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?

Did anyone ever post things about your kids here (besides pot shots about how they'd grow up under your regime)?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2013, 11:34:39 pm
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?

Did anyone ever post things about your kids here (besides pot shots about how they'd grow up under your regime)?

Some weirdo from the Netherlands did, about 5 years ago.  After Mr Privacy posted pics.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:38:33 pm
The point being, there are creeps like that, like Loveshade, who come to this site, you know this, you know I have kids, YET, you grease the wheels for these creeps anyway.

You are a pathetic excuse of a man.

This didn't seem to be a problem when my old man was being harrassed by Loveshade's crew.  No, at that point you lectured me on the very thing you have done...Allowing PI to flop all over the place.

"Bread crumbs", I believe you called them.

So, you know, fuck off.   :lulz:

And you happily assemble them here in one place.

No, actually, you happily assembled them

I've never posted where I work, someone else dug that up...You
I've never said boo about that YouTube video, someone else dug that up...You

You did the cyberstalking and happily put it here, along with my first name.

How much of your PI have I posted?  That's right, none.  So the "eye for eye" "excuse" isn't an excuse because I've never taken one of your eyes.

You are a vindictive, pathetic, little man.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:39:11 pm
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?

Did anyone ever post things about your kids here (besides pot shots about how they'd grow up under your regime)?

Yes. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:41:07 pm
And we've had known pedos here.  Like Loveshade for example.  And TGRR knows that, but posts my PI anyways.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:42:52 pm
All because I didn't fall over myself apologizing when I didn't know a thread was linked to people messing with his father.

Is that a valid excuse to post someone's PI?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:43:45 pm
This is where everyone starts rationalizing and making excuses for TGRR's behavior.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 23, 2013, 11:49:53 pm
Or pretending it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 23, 2013, 11:53:45 pm
The point being, there are creeps like that, like Loveshade, who come to this site, you know this, you know I have kids, YET, you grease the wheels for these creeps anyway.

You are a pathetic excuse of a man.

I don't remember where that particular post was originally posted, but it looks to me like a joke which was in poor taste, and was regretted afterwards... not exactly the same thing as Loveshade.  And apparently you were so offended by his comment about your daughter that you had forgotten all about it by the time Net brought it up.  Must've been really disturbing... or something.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Pæs on October 23, 2013, 11:54:04 pm
Nope.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 23, 2013, 11:55:38 pm
All because I didn't fall over myself apologizing when I didn't know a thread was linked to people messing with his father.

Is that a valid excuse to post someone's PI?

Here's the thing, whistledick, your first name really doesn't count as PI. The fact that YOU spew about your laughably pathetic little job all over the place thereby making it easier for someone to dig up your shit is YOUR fault, nobody else's.

And here's the other thing, nobody actually gives so much as a tiny little ratfuck about you or your life. So go cry in your cornflakes some more. Or maybe just leave, if it all bothers you so much. Either way figure it the fuck out and stop shitting up this place with your inane whining and your dumbshit Mister Mackey act.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 12:07:28 am
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?
PD.COM used to be a place where we talked about going after pedos now we are apologizing for making their work easier?  Really?

Excuse me?

You better not be implying we in any way foster an environment that would allow paedophiles to leverage or use this site for any kind of exploitation.

PD isn't a site I would consider entirely work safe, and there are sections of the site I wouldn't allow children on. But we have had a zero tolerance policy on the likes of Loveshade and people who even implied those kind of desires.

If I felt your children were in any kind of danger I would immediately take corrective action against it.

But the fact is this is all a potential pedophile could get from this site if they were inclined:

Your name, and the fact that you have children.

The same information freely available to the people you pass in your day to day life.

Don't play that card because I find it very insulting, I have an 11 year old brother who plays minecraft with other children from members of this site. If I was in any way worried that this site could endanger him, I'd pull the plug on it in seconds.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 12:10:33 am
DOUR has assembled enough of my information here for someone, at a minimum, to locate where I work.  With a few more keystrokes, where I and my kids live.

I would appreciate it if you would take corrective action.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 12:11:40 am
DOUR has assembled enough of my information here for someone, at a minimum, to locate where I work.  With a few more keystrokes, where I and my kids live.

I would appreciate it if you would take corrective action.

Roger has done nothing to help me on my quest to shit in your mouth.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 12:12:16 am
See Faust ^
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Hoopla! on October 24, 2013, 12:13:16 am
DOUR has I have assembled enough of my information here for someone, at a minimum, to locate where I work.  With a few more keystrokes, where I and my kids live.

I would appreciate it if you would take corrective action.

ftfy
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 12:15:24 am
DOUR has assembled enough of my information here for someone, at a minimum, to locate where I work.  With a few more keystrokes, where I and my kids live.

I would appreciate it if you would take corrective action.

Where you work is publicly available on other sites, pull the pages and links and we'll pull anything quoted here. That's where the information came from. After all they are just as likely... more likely to be used by a paedophile, we simply don't have that much traffic through here, not as much as a news site.

Nowhere on this site is your address listed.

Nothing listed here isn't recycled from bigger sources.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 12:17:19 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 12:25:14 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

(http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/Nope.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2013, 12:26:09 am
Ever?

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 12:28:14 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 12:34:43 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right? 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:36:51 am

I've posted where I work,

Hey, this IS fun. 

DOUR,
Two can play at the selective quoting thing.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Pæs on October 24, 2013, 12:37:44 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?
nope
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:38:00 am
All because I didn't fall over myself apologizing when I didn't know a thread was linked to people messing with his father.

Is that a valid excuse to post someone's PI?

1.  I didn't post your PI.

2.  You are a smug little bastard that saw fit to LECTURE when shit happened to other people.  Boo hoo hoo, shitstain.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:38:46 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:40:06 am
DOUR has assembled enough of my information

 :lulz:

Yes, making that Youtube video of you was pure evil genius on my part.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 12:45:26 am
All because I didn't fall over myself apologizing when I didn't know a thread was linked to people messing with his father.

Is that a valid excuse to post someone's PI?

1.  I didn't post your PI.

Yes you did, and boasted about it as being revenge for, oh my, shortening your name.  Which you did selectively, which I think is something you were just whining about in Nigel's thread.

Quote
2.  You are a smug little bastard that saw fit to LECTURE when shit happened to other people.  Boo hoo hoo, shitstain.

That's been proven to be a lie. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2013, 12:46:02 am
DOUR has assembled enough of my information

 :lulz:

Yes, making that Youtube video of you was pure evil genius on my part.

Funny how he was totally "not concerned" about it when I pointed out that bragging about the article would be all anyone needed to find out what his name is and where he works. :kingmeh:

Concerned, not concerned, concerned, not concerned. It's dizzying.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:47:20 am
All because I didn't fall over myself apologizing when I didn't know a thread was linked to people messing with his father.

Is that a valid excuse to post someone's PI?

1.  I didn't post your PI.

Yes you did, and boasted about it as being revenge for, oh my, shortening your name.  Which you did selectively, which I think is something you were just whining about in Nigel's thread.

Quote
2.  You are a smug little bastard that saw fit to LECTURE when shit happened to other people.  Boo hoo hoo, shitstain.

That's been proven to be a lie.

Nope.

You fucking lectured.  Shall I quote you, you smarmy little bastard?   :lulz:

And I called out demo squid on the name thing, though I didn't notice everyone who did it.  How CLEVER of me to go back in time and do such a thing, eh?

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 12:47:52 am
Well, that was when I had thought people here had some ethics.  DOUR has proven me wrong.  You are right, I should've been more careful with his type hanging around here.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 12:48:20 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you insult my book: remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:48:28 am
DOUR has assembled enough of my information

 :lulz:

Yes, making that Youtube video of you was pure evil genius on my part.

Funny how he was totally "not concerned" about it when I pointed out that bragging about the article would be all anyone needed to find out what his name is and where he works. :kingmeh:

Concerned, not concerned, concerned, not concerned. It's dizzying.

I don't worry about his concern.  He's part of the mechanism that puts kids in prison.  Also, he's a shitbird on a personal level.

No sympathy, here.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:49:27 am
Well, that was when I had thought people here had some ethics.  DOUR has proven me wrong.  You are right, I should've been more careful with his type hanging around here.

I really need to get a white cat, that I can hold and pet while I plot my evil.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 24, 2013, 12:51:41 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

 :drama1:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 12:53:34 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.

And what about Bear's public declarations?  On YOUR site? 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:55:04 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.

And what about Bear's public declarations?  On YOUR site?

Woooo...That sounds like it's getting close to a statement of intent, if ya know what I mean.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 12:58:34 am
If you told me you were afraid your job was in danger, or that you are worried your boss might find this place I'd delete your name out straight away.

Firstly, because this is a forum, we mess around but I don't want someone getting into trouble over it, and secondly because you used to be a fun guy.

But you didn't.

You said that you were worried about a hypothetical pedophile seeking out your kids based on the fact that your name had been posted here.

You can still go back on that. Admit that the job thing is what you are worried about and I'll take the flack from the other admins for deleting it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 12:59:51 am
If you told me you were afraid your job was in danger, or that you are worried your boss might find this place I'd delete your name out straight away.

Firstly, because this is a forum, we mess around but I don't want someone getting into trouble over it, and secondly because you used to be a fun guy.

But you didn't.

You said that you were worried about a hypothetical pedophile seeking out your kids based on the fact that your name had been posted here.

You can still go back on that. Admit that the job thing is what you are worried about and I'll take the flack from the other admins for deleting it.

If he's deleted, he should also be blocked.  Because I can tell you RIGHT NOW what the weasel is going to do the moment he's deleted.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:00:12 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.

And what about Bear's public declarations?  On YOUR site?

I have no idea what bear said. I don't read every post on this site. Link if you like.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 24, 2013, 01:01:01 am
DOUR has assembled enough of my information

 :lulz:

Yes, making that Youtube video of you was pure evil genius on my part.

Funny how he was totally "not concerned" about it when I pointed out that bragging about the article would be all anyone needed to find out what his name is and where he works. :kingmeh:

Concerned, not concerned, concerned, not concerned. It's dizzying.

I don't worry about his concern.  He's part of the mechanism that puts kids in prison.  Also, he's a shitbird on a personal level.

No sympathy, here.

Scooter summed up in TWO SENTENCES.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2013, 01:01:47 am
What exactly is Bear threatening to do, anyway? Something about maybe or maybe not posting information that he may or may not have?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:02:46 am
If you told me you were afraid your job was in danger, or that you are worried your boss might find this place I'd delete your name out straight away.

Firstly, because this is a forum, we mess around but I don't want someone getting into trouble over it, and secondly because you used to be a fun guy.

But you didn't.

You said that you were worried about a hypothetical pedophile seeking out your kids based on the fact that your name had been posted here.

You can still go back on that. Admit that the job thing is what you are worried about and I'll take the flack from the other admins for deleting it.

If he's deleted, he should also be blocked.  Because I can tell you RIGHT NOW what the weasel is going to do the moment he's deleted.

If for whatever reasons a protracted, expensive, international lawsuit was filed against my broke ass I would reinstate those messages, backups exist for a reason. But I would take it on good faith that if I do delete his name that is the end of it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 01:03:40 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.

And what about Bear's public declarations?  On YOUR site? 

(http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/rambo-first-blood-331361.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:04:28 am
If you told me you were afraid your job was in danger, or that you are worried your boss might find this place I'd delete your name out straight away.

Firstly, because this is a forum, we mess around but I don't want someone getting into trouble over it, and secondly because you used to be a fun guy.

But you didn't.

You said that you were worried about a hypothetical pedophile seeking out your kids based on the fact that your name had been posted here.

You can still go back on that. Admit that the job thing is what you are worried about and I'll take the flack from the other admins for deleting it.

If he's deleted, he should also be blocked.  Because I can tell you RIGHT NOW what the weasel is going to do the moment he's deleted.

If for whatever reasons a protracted, expensive, international lawsuit was filed against my broke ass I would reinstate those messages, backups exist for a reason. But I would take it on good faith that if I do delete his name that is the end of it.

Naw.  He won't sue, because he CAN'T sue.  Nothing that has happened is actionable.

He's compelled to squabble, here.  He'll be back within a week, under a new name.  And we start all over again.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 01:05:13 am
How about this, when I came home today, my front door in my garage, which had been locked, and the inner entry door in my breezeway, which had also been closed, were both open and ajar.  I am the only person who has a key to this house. 

So yeah, I'm a little concerned right now.  So I'm asking you to provide one less place where people can get information to locate me.

Delete my name and I would like a cease and desist on all future postings of my name.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Count Chocula on October 24, 2013, 01:06:07 am
if I do delete his name that is the end of it.

PLEASE GAWD NO DONT LET THIS BE OVER I DONT WANT TO GO BACK TO WATCHING SPORTSCENTER I HATE YOUR ONE AND ONLY SON TIM TEBOW SO MUCH I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:06:33 am
How about this, when I came home today, my front door in my garage, which had been locked, and the inner entry door in my breezeway, which had also been closed, were both open and ajar.  I am the only person who has a key to this house. 

So yeah, I'm a little concerned right now.  So I'm asking you to provide one less place where people can get information to locate me.

Delete my name and I would like a cease and desist on all future postings of my name.

Anyone know where Bear has been?   :lulz:

Now, all he asked was if you were concerned about your job.  But you can't answer that, because you have some sort of weird hangup.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:07:04 am
if I do delete his name that is the end of it.

PLEASE GAWD NO DONT LET THIS BE OVER I DONT WANT TO GO BACK TO WATCHING SPORTSCENTER I HATE YOUR ONE AND ONLY SON TIM TEBOW SO MUCH I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE

 :lulz:

I almost swallowed my e-cig.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 01:08:35 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.

And what about Bear's public declarations?  On YOUR site?

I have no idea what bear said. I don't read every post on this site. Link if you like.

I said something along the lines of ruining his IRL if he draws FIRST BLOOD on here by posting people's info, and ruining their IRL. I said I have already got his info saved on my laptop, and I'm waiting those 4 months til he gets married to counter strike. I know he's going to do this since that's when he's going to burn all the bridges behind him and with everyone else on it. After those four months I'll delete whatever info. I hate little shit heads like him. If you don't believe me he is going to do this and be that asshole then let me remind you about the HFTs.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2013, 01:08:49 am
If you told me you were afraid your job was in danger, or that you are worried your boss might find this place I'd delete your name out straight away.

Firstly, because this is a forum, we mess around but I don't want someone getting into trouble over it, and secondly because you used to be a fun guy.

But you didn't.

You said that you were worried about a hypothetical pedophile seeking out your kids based on the fact that your name had been posted here.

You can still go back on that. Admit that the job thing is what you are worried about and I'll take the flack from the other admins for deleting it.

I can't imagine his boss would be happy with what he posts here, especially with so many of his posts being made at work and talking about how incompetent the other folks he works with are.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:09:16 am
Wait.  Your fiance lives with you, but you didn't give her a key?

WTF?

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2013, 01:10:08 am
if I do delete his name that is the end of it.

PLEASE GAWD NO DONT LET THIS BE OVER I DONT WANT TO GO BACK TO WATCHING SPORTSCENTER I HATE YOUR ONE AND ONLY SON TIM TEBOW SO MUCH I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:11:45 am
How about this, when I came home today, my front door in my garage, which had been locked, and the inner entry door in my breezeway, which had also been closed, were both open and ajar.  I am the only person who has a key to this house. 

So yeah, I'm a little concerned right now.  So I'm asking you to provide one less place where people can get information to locate me.

Delete my name and I would like a cease and desist on all future postings of my name.

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.

Send me your name (I don't know it), and I'll personally delete it from the db now (or first thing tomorrow morning depending on when I get your message).
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:11:57 am
What happens if she gets home before you, scooter?  Does she have to wait on the porch, or have you made arrangements with the neighbor?

 :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:12:33 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2013, 01:12:58 am
Wait.  Your fiance lives with you, but you didn't give her a key?

WTF?

 :lulz:

No no no no it's like that. It's that his "fiance" "lives" "with" "him". If you know what I mean.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:13:21 am
Poor lady.  She's not even a latch-key fiance.   :sad:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 01:13:28 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.

And what about Bear's public declarations?  On YOUR site?

I have no idea what bear said. I don't read every post on this site. Link if you like.

I said something along the lines of ruining his IRL if he draws FIRST BLOOD on here by posting people's info, and ruining their IRL. I said I have already got his info saved on my laptop, and I'm waiting those 4 months til he gets married to strike. I know he's going to since that's when he going to burn all the bridges behind him and with everyone here. After those four months I'll delete whatever info. I hate little shit heads like him. If you don't believe me he is going to do this and be that asshole then let me remind you about the HFTs.

Public declaration that he has data mined me.  If you honestly think the information that has been provided on this site didn't help him you are kidding yourself. 
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:13:43 am
Wait.  Your fiance lives with you, but you didn't give her a key?

WTF?

 :lulz:

No no no no it's like that. It's that his "fiance" "lives" "with" "him". If you know what I mean.

Like, attached to his right wrist?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 24, 2013, 01:14:20 am
What happens if she gets home before you, scooter?  Does she have to wait on the porch, or have you made arrangements with the neighbor?

 :lulz:

HEY! AT LEAST HE LETS HER KNOW WHERE HIS HOUSE IS!  :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:15:01 am
What happens if she gets home before you, scooter?  Does she have to wait on the porch, or have you made arrangements with the neighbor?

 :lulz:

HEY! AT LEAST HE LETS HER KNOW WHERE HIS HOUSE IS!  :lulz:

And he lets her in when he gets home.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 01:15:05 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Women lack the brain matter to understand the mechanical process of a lock. I'm sure he can cite credible information he's done research on. I have to believe him I'm not a big shot with a office that can hold 10 people at one time.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:16:53 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Women lack the brain matter to understand the mechanical process of a lock. I'm sure he can cite credible information he's done research on. I have to believe him I'm not a big shot with a office that can hold 10 people at one time.

My office used to be a lab, and it's 20 feet long.

Based on this sort of credentials, I will know bestow knowledge on you benighted heathens.

First:  There is no secret POGS forum on PD.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 24, 2013, 01:17:35 am
Wait.  Your fiance lives with you, but you didn't give her a key?

WTF?

 :lulz:

No no no no it's like that. It's that his "fiance" "lives" "with" "him". If you know what I mean.

Like, attached to his right wrist?

I "datamined" her online. She's blondish:

(http://www.seabreeze.com.au/Img/Photos/Other/4806859.jpg)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:18:41 am
Wait.  Your fiance lives with you, but you didn't give her a key?

WTF?

 :lulz:

No no no no it's like that. It's that his "fiance" "lives" "with" "him". If you know what I mean.

Like, attached to his right wrist?

I "datamined" her online. She's blondish:

(http://www.seabreeze.com.au/Img/Photos/Other/4806859.jpg)

:lulz:

I want to see his excuse for THIS particular pack of lies.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2013, 01:20:50 am
Pfffft Roger and I "data mined" you ages ago, remember us laughing about your employment and educational credentials not being what you led on? Pretty sure it isn't against any rules to datamine people. I do it all the time just because I'm bored/curious/want to know who I'm really dealing with/whether they're dangerous. That's why I mentioned to you when you boasted about that article being published that it was all anyone needed to identify you and find all your other publicly-available information. That was a friendly heads-up, Scooter, since you had made such a strong statement earlier about not posting identifiable info online. And at the time, you said you weren't really concerned about it. So, you know, not being concerned about it and all, you seem to be contradicting yourself more than a little bit here.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:21:39 am
Pfffft Roger and I "data mined" you ages ago, remember us laughing about your employment and educational credentials not being what you led on? Pretty sure it isn't against any rules to datamine people. I do it all the time just because I'm bored/curious/want to know who I'm really dealing with/whether they're dangerous. That's why I mentioned to you when you boasted about that article being published that it was all anyone needed to identify you and find all your other publicly-available information. That was a friendly heads-up, Scooter, since you had made such a strong statement earlier about not posting identifiable info online. And at the time, you said you weren't really concerned about it. So, you know, not being concerned about it and all, you seem to be contradicting yourself more than a little bit here.

He outright lied at least once.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:21:45 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Probably, but I'm not really interested in examining real life claims. Same goes for any of the people how have had shitty exes who needed help here, I'm going to take it at its word.

How to proceed now though... no pm yet. Veerry tired.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 01:23:05 am
Pfffft Roger and I "data mined" you ages ago, remember us laughing about your employment and educational credentials not being what you led on? Pretty sure it isn't against any rules to datamine people. I do it all the time just because I'm bored/curious/want to know who I'm really dealing with/whether they're dangerous. That's why I mentioned to you when you boasted about that article being published that it was all anyone needed to identify you and find all your other publicly-available information. That was a friendly heads-up, Scooter, since you had made such a strong statement earlier about not posting identifiable info online. And at the time, you said you weren't really concerned about it. So, you know, not being concerned about it and all, you seem to be contradicting yourself more than a little bit here.

(http://www.wallpaperid.com/image/2013/03/troll-face-8-2013-wallpapers.png)
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:24:10 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

Certainly, pull the article it was quoted from, because right now its in the public domain.

I was hoping for something a little more ethical from you.  You realize the precedent that is being established right?

I'm weighing it up. The fact is they didn't take it from someone's facebook page. It came from an article by an expert in the field of drugs control, readily available, and used, primarily here in a discussion on drug control.

Like it or not you are a public figure now.

Let me try to create a hypothetical example; say for example a writer had published a shitty book. For the sake of argument we'll call him Benny Mack.
We discuss and review the book, and in our personal tastes we don't like it. He shows up to talk about the book and we discuss it with him.

Now if he was to choose then to say no how dare you remove my name from this site, I'd be very confused. He put it in the public domain for consumption, and can't react shocked and tell them they as a group may not refer to him by name when discussing this book.

You've mixed work and internet discussions and it's not gone well. A lot of people here don't agree with your views.

I don't think your kids are in the slightest danger from your name being quoted from a news article you were interviewed for, If I was, it would be gone already.

And what about Bear's public declarations?  On YOUR site?

I have no idea what bear said. I don't read every post on this site. Link if you like.

I said something along the lines of ruining his IRL if he draws FIRST BLOOD on here by posting people's info, and ruining their IRL. I said I have already got his info saved on my laptop, and I'm waiting those 4 months til he gets married to counter strike. I know he's going to do this since that's when he's going to burn all the bridges behind him and with everyone else on it. After those four months I'll delete whatever info. I hate little shit heads like him. If you don't believe me he is going to do this and be that asshole then let me remind you about the HFTs.

Knock that off. We don't threaten members, even in a reaction to something you think they are going to do.  :(
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:24:14 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Probably, but I'm not really interested in examining real life claims. Same goes for any of the people how have had shitty exes who needed help here, I'm going to take it at its word.

How to proceed now though... no pm yet. Veerry tired.

He has no intention of going anywhere.  This is just another control game.  That's why he insists on being deleted, though he knows we don't do that.  That's why he wouldn't answer you about being concerned for his job.

Everything about him is a control game.

Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 01:28:35 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Probably, but I'm not really interested in examining real life claims. Same goes for any of the people how have had shitty exes who needed help here, I'm going to take it at its word.

How to proceed now though... no pm yet. Veerry tired.

Sent
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Pæs on October 24, 2013, 01:30:29 am
DISCORDIANS BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND LEFT THE TEEVEE ON I KNOW BECAUSE IT WAS ON WHEN I GOT HOME.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 01:31:40 am
That house has beautiful wall paper.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Pæs on October 24, 2013, 01:32:34 am
SOMEONE IS STEALING MY MAIL IS IT A COINCIDENCE THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE ROGER TOLD THE PEDOS MY NICKNAME IS GOOBER I THINK NOT.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:33:10 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Probably, but I'm not really interested in examining real life claims. Same goes for any of the people how have had shitty exes who needed help here, I'm going to take it at its word.

How to proceed now though... no pm yet. Veerry tired.

Sent
To who. Its not in my pm inbox.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:33:25 am
That house has beautiful wall paper.

Not funny. Knock it off.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 01:35:38 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Probably, but I'm not really interested in examining real life claims. Same goes for any of the people how have had shitty exes who needed help here, I'm going to take it at its word.

How to proceed now though... no pm yet. Veerry tired.

Sent
To who. Its not in my pm inbox.

He emailed it, because you asked him to pm it.   :lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: AFK on October 24, 2013, 01:35:47 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Probably, but I'm not really interested in examining real life claims. Same goes for any of the people how have had shitty exes who needed help here, I'm going to take it at its word.

How to proceed now though... no pm yet. Veerry tired.

Sent
To who. Its not in my pm inbox.

Shit, clicked the wrong thing, I think it went to your e-mail, I'll try again.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 24, 2013, 01:38:06 am

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.


He is.  He stated that his fiance now lives with him.  Then he says he's the only person with a key.

Probably, but I'm not really interested in examining real life claims. Same goes for any of the people how have had shitty exes who needed help here, I'm going to take it at its word.

How to proceed now though... no pm yet. Veerry tired.

Sent
To who. Its not in my pm inbox.

Shit, clicked the wrong thing, I think it went to your e-mail, I'll try again.

And when he doesn't get that, you tell him to check his spam folder.

And when it's not there, you call him a dumbass and a liar.

*YAWN*
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 01:38:55 am
No I've got it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 24, 2013, 01:44:57 am
Miracles never cease.  :lol:

One thing Scooter didn't lie about. ONE.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 01:53:17 am
Miracles never cease.  :lol:

One thing Scooter didn't lie about. ONE.


They're just their in the air.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Suu on October 24, 2013, 01:57:56 am
It appears I missed all the fun. Bearman just summoned me from the vast reaches of the interbutts to share the news.

Jesus Fuck.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 01:59:53 am
It appears I missed all the fun. Bearman just summoned me from the vast reaches of the interbutts to share the news.

Jesus Fuck.

It's like Christmas but more fun because the jews are allowed to partake in it!

MIRACLES EVERWHERE IN THIS BITCH!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 02:02:04 am
This drama is over, nothing to see here folks.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 02:05:58 am
This drama is over, nothing to see here folks.

I don't believe that for one second.  I believe YOU believe that, but mark my fucking words...This is just another little power game for RWHN.

Less than a week.  Carve it in stone.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 02:07:22 am
See my avatar I have my hands on the triggers.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 24, 2013, 02:14:06 am
Bear, stop feeding him.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 02:17:40 am
Well, I don't believe he'll behave, but I will act as if he will, and get back to writing.

I know that this isn't going to work out, though.  I am 169% certain of it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 02:19:59 am
That's entirely possible. I'm willing to take the chance on it because it would be nice to talk about something else for a change.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 24, 2013, 02:23:00 am
It appears I missed all the fun. Bearman just summoned me from the vast reaches of the interbutts to share the news.

Jesus Fuck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNPAM5ABhvs
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2013, 02:24:10 am
Okay, I suggest that we let this thread begin it's inevitable slide to page 100 or so.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 24, 2013, 02:39:47 am
Last Saturday I was at a party and a kid walked in with a Nirvana shirt on. Thinking of this thread I said, "Hey, man, you know they're up for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year?"

He said, "Oh."

And I left that party two hours later, puzzled.

Where were the threats? Where was the yelling and the berating?

I didn't know what to do. These were not my people.  :?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on October 24, 2013, 02:45:37 am
Last Saturday I was at a party and a kid walked in with a Nirvana shirt on. Thinking of this thread I said, "Hey, man, you know they're up for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year?"

He said, "Oh."

And I left that party two hours later, puzzled.

Where were the threats? Where was the yelling and the berating?

I didn't know what to do. These were not my people.  :?


:lulz:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Aucoq on October 24, 2013, 02:52:39 am
Last Saturday I was at a party and a kid walked in with a Nirvana shirt on. Thinking of this thread I said, "Hey, man, you know they're up for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year?"

He said, "Oh."

And I left that party two hours later, puzzled.

Where were the threats? Where was the yelling and the berating?

I didn't know what to do. These were not my people.  :?

 :lol:
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Salty on October 24, 2013, 03:06:28 am
Last Saturday I was at a party and a kid walked in with a Nirvana shirt on. Thinking of this thread I said, "Hey, man, you know they're up for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year?"

He said, "Oh."

And I left that party two hours later, puzzled.

Where were the threats? Where was the yelling and the berating?

I didn't know what to do. These were not my people.  :?

People like that boil my blood. Just who in the hel do they think they are?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 24, 2013, 07:18:51 am
I want a cease and desist on posting my name.

NOPE.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 24, 2013, 07:24:55 am
How about this, when I came home today, my front door in my garage, which had been locked, and the inner entry door in my breezeway, which had also been closed, were both open and ajar.  I am the only person who has a key to this house. 

So yeah, I'm a little concerned right now.  So I'm asking you to provide one less place where people can get information to locate me.

Delete my name and I would like a cease and desist on all future postings of my name.

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.

Send me your name (I don't know it), and I'll personally delete it from the db now (or first thing tomorrow morning depending on when I get your message).

If we are forced to delete content on his account I see no reason to continue to allow him to shit here. So if this is done I'm going to shitcan him unless somebody can provide a compelling reason not to. After all, the only reason to comply with his request is that we view him as making a credible legal threat against the site, and that's one of the few things we ban people for.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 24, 2013, 07:28:39 am
I'll check bakc when I get up in the morning, so about 12 hours from now. If we've actually deleted content from the board on his account then he'll get what he wants.

So, you might want to really think about this.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Pæs on October 24, 2013, 07:32:10 am
Is that string going to be cleansed from the database?

P3NT will forever be referred to as being [redacted]ish.

Are we doomed to always refer to our favourite city in Lake County, Florida, United States as "Ma[redacted]e"?

WOE.

What will happen to this thread!? http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=34939.0

ORSON WHO CARD? F WHAT FITZGERALD?

WOOOOOOEEEEE!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 08:28:40 am
How about this, when I came home today, my front door in my garage, which had been locked, and the inner entry door in my breezeway, which had also been closed, were both open and ajar.  I am the only person who has a key to this house. 

So yeah, I'm a little concerned right now.  So I'm asking you to provide one less place where people can get information to locate me.

Delete my name and I would like a cease and desist on all future postings of my name.

Hrm. Ok. You could just be bullshitting me to get me to do this, but I will.

Send me your name (I don't know it), and I'll personally delete it from the db now (or first thing tomorrow morning depending on when I get your message).

If we are forced to delete content on his account I see no reason to continue to allow him to shit here. So if this is done I'm going to shitcan him unless somebody can provide a compelling reason not to. After all, the only reason to comply with his request is that we view him as making a credible legal threat against the site, and that's one of the few things we ban people for.

I'll send you the details in PM, there's some strict conditions associated with this. He's currently gone.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 08:29:12 am
Is that string going to be cleansed from the database?

P3NT will forever be referred to as being [redacted]ish.

Are we doomed to always refer to our favourite city in Lake County, Florida, United States as "Ma[redacted]e"?

WOE.

What will happen to this thread!? http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=34939.0

ORSON WHO CARD? F WHAT FITZGERALD?

WOOOOOOEEEEE!

No it's going to be manually performed.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cain on October 24, 2013, 02:06:35 pm
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Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 24, 2013, 08:12:50 pm
I don't believe he'll have any more comebacks to anything. At least, not on this site.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 24, 2013, 08:14:22 pm
Also, I trust we are ONLY deleting posts where his "PI" is made available, and not deleting his entire posting history.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 24, 2013, 08:59:36 pm
Also, I trust we are ONLY deleting posts where his "PI" is made available, and not deleting his entire posting history.

Yeah exactly.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 24, 2013, 10:03:40 pm
Word. And good riddance to bad rubbish.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2013, 01:25:59 am
That's a lot of work, doing it manually. I feel like saying something nice to you about doing that but I can't think of exactly how to word it.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on October 25, 2013, 04:44:41 am
That's a lot of work, doing it manually. I feel like saying something nice to you about doing that but I can't think of exactly how to word it.

I appreciate your dedication to this board and admire the tenacity to wade through hundreds of pages of bullshit to do things as properly as possible. That is damn impressive.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2013, 07:02:11 am
That's a lot of work, doing it manually. I feel like saying something nice to you about doing that but I can't think of exactly how to word it.

I appreciate your dedication to this board and admire the tenacity to wade through hundreds of pages of bullshit to do things as properly as possible. That is damn impressive.

That seems like a good way to word it!
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Telarus on October 25, 2013, 07:02:56 am
Agreed.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Faust on October 25, 2013, 12:54:03 pm
That's a lot of work, doing it manually. I feel like saying something nice to you about doing that but I can't think of exactly how to word it.

It's not that bad, there's a few tricks that speed things up so all I have to do is read a filtered list of posts. Nearly done now.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 26, 2013, 10:24:43 pm
The Smashing Pumpkins were languishing as a weird alt-metal band, relegated to Headbanger's Ball and 120 Minutes until Nirvana came along.

Another crime to lay at Nirvana's feet.

And where have the Smashing Pumpkins been, recently?  Playing county fairs, perhaps?

I gotta agree with RWHN that Nirvana is coo.

I gotta agree with you that Smashing Pumpkins blow donkey balls and we'd be better off with them languishing more until they called it a day.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 26, 2013, 10:26:21 pm
For better or for worse, they also paved the way for Green Day and The Offspring.

The Offspring formed 3 years before Nirvana.

 :|

See, I could get behind the Offspring. But Nirvana? C'mon.

I like about a third of the Offspring's stuff, because it's shouty in a good way.

Angry shouty > whiny shouty.


Uh, "Self-Esteem" ?


It even has the same goddamn riff as Teen Spirit

No it doesn't.
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Pæs on October 27, 2013, 12:35:33 am
AFK MOARLIEK AKK AMIRITE?
Title: Re: It's that time of year again...
Post by: Ben Shapiro on January 05, 2014, 11:52:25 pm
Let's talk about the cultural influence of an habitual junkie who offed himself.   :lulz:

Such an example!

Yeah, this is just my experience here, but I've never heard anyone gush about Nirvana's cultural impact who didn't have a bong in one hand and a crack pipe in the other.

I think we should most definitely commermorate his life and cultural influence on youth.

Maybe we could name a needle exchange program after him.

<3 Everytime <3