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Apple Talk / Re: So, there's this room in an Amino app...
« Last post by Fujikoma on Today at 07:34:08 am »
I recently converted back to Christianity (after about 30 years of blasphemy, idolatry, and outright being more of a fuckstick than I needed to be), but good luck. I much prefer Discordian weirdness to the other varieties.
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Apple Talk / Re: Silver-Screen Scumbags: Damnation Doesn't Deter
« Last post by Fujikoma on Today at 06:46:34 am »
Wanted to say a lot of excellent points here. Unsure if I can meaningfully contribute anything to the conversation, that I haven't said before.

Speaking of monsters, there was a time when, due to my harsh experiences with my childhood peers, social stigma from mental illness, and lack of many positive role models, I started down a rather dark path. I'm glad I didn't get too far with it before reality slapped me back to my senses... but I learned a lot about adjusting my perspective and confronting my own flawed rationalizations. Now, when I meet what many would consider a "monster" in real life, I do my best to see the person underneath the scars and empathize.

Sometimes just being there to listen, empathize, and offer a better way is enough to defuse a potentially horrible situation, perhaps even a string of them. It also feels good to make a positive difference for someone who needs help. I think my biggest fear in these situations is accidentally doing more harm than good, but one has to try.

This relates to movies and television in, a few ways. In my opinion, the most important is, I find a lot of television does more harm than good. Yes, there are very bad people out there that you simply cannot save, but much of the entertainment I've seen, for the sake of telling a compelling story, blows the problem way out of proportion. It doesn't help that many people I've met in life try to take their lessons from movies and tv, and simply reinforce the stigma of issues they simply do not understand. I like it when movies and television break from this trend.

A particular movie that helped me out, my mom refused to believe I had bipolar disorder for a long time. She watched "The Silver-Lining's Playbook", and about the time he flips out about the crappy ending to a book and throws it through the window, she thought, omg, this guy is just like my son! (then made me watch it later) Not to derail though, the flawed people in this movie aren't the antagonists, there really aren't any antagonists in this movie, it's just a feel-good comedy that explores living with these flaws. I personally think it provides a nice contrast that we, as a society, could really use more of.
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Last post by Cain on Today at 03:43:36 am »
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Apple Talk / Re: Silver-Screen Scumbags: Damnation Doesn't Deter
« Last post by Al Qədic on Yesterday at 11:54:34 pm »
The fact is, some people have no capacity for self reflection and almost anyone youíll meet has infinite capacity for rationalization. Mix in this weird /thing/ with fame (a sort of any attention is good attention concept of reality, really) in the developed world, and itís kind of hard to find /anything/ you could do to break through.

I donít think we shouldnít try, but I have trouble seeing much difference between the ďgoodĒ takes and the ďbadĒ ones, and they seem to be about equally effective in transmitting their intended message (which is to say mostly ineffective entirely). I think if you want to communicate on that level you will have to use rhetorical and narrative devices that havenít even been invented yet, and I donít think Iím smart enough to come up with any.
Yeah, it's tough to talk about this. On one hand, our brains love taking shortcuts, and using pattern recognition, so of course we'll generalize entire groups of people, of course we'll make certain assumptions across all cases, because that's so much easier than thinking with nuance. But that also makes actually talking about this topic frustrating; it's like we have to invoke cognitive dissonance in order to give any credence to the thought that "hey, killers are people too", and that's just...sad? Alarming? Weird? Yeah, weird.

Humans are weird.

Also I'll definitely keep Bloodborne on a list in the back of my mind of games to check out, especially when thinking of this sort of thing.
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Apple Talk / Re: Silver-Screen Scumbags: Damnation Doesn't Deter
« Last post by Al Qədic on Yesterday at 11:47:04 pm »
That sounds like a great game, but also very difficult to design, I would love to see how it develops.
"Difficult to design" is an understatement, my friend.  :lulz: This is but a series of ideas swimming in the heads of a handful of college freshmen. "Overly ambitious" is both a goal we hope to achieve and an apt descriptor for how this could all go wrong. We'll fight to refine and keep the concept afloat in the years to come, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if and when we get this thing out of our heads and into some funny metal boxes that go bleep bloop. Once something does come of this pipe dream of ours, I'll definitely keep you all posted.
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Last post by Cain on Yesterday at 11:04:11 pm »
Good
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Last post by Doktor Howl on Yesterday at 10:52:05 pm »
Warren just called for the house to start impreachment proceedings.
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Or Kill Me / Turns Out
« Last post by nullified on Yesterday at 10:51:30 pm »
This is really really good.
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Apple Talk / Re: Silver-Screen Scumbags: Damnation Doesn't Deter
« Last post by nullified on Yesterday at 10:49:48 pm »
I agree with Al Qedic that Johnnyís use of Nietzche is the first goddamn time Iíve actually seen that quote in the (IIRC) intended context of the author. Itís gratifying. When we bay for blood, what separates us from the killers but a thin veneer of rhetoric?

Iíve been struggling with these issues for ages now, but havenít commented because, to date, Iíve never seen but one piece of media intentionally try to work on this sort of level even a little bit. That media was Bloodborne. A hacky slashy bloodsoaked horror videogame where you play a badass with trick weapons fighting people who literally became monsters. (Talking about the ďhowĒ is deep spoilers, and Bloodborne is a game that deserves not to be spoiled, ever. Half of the effect is experiencing it in real time.)

The fact is, some people have no capacity for self reflection and almost anyone youíll meet has infinite capacity for rationalization. Mix in this weird /thing/ with fame (a sort of any attention is good attention concept of reality, really) in the developed world, and itís kind of hard to find /anything/ you could do to break through.

I donít think we shouldnít try, but I have trouble seeing much difference between the ďgoodĒ takes and the ďbadĒ ones, and they seem to be about equally effective in transmitting their intended message (which is to say mostly ineffective entirely). I think if you want to communicate on that level you will have to use rhetorical and narrative devices that havenít even been invented yet, and I donít think Iím smart enough to come up with any.

But itís unsatisfying to say ďI donít think we can right now, and I doubt any existing ideas on how to communicate through those barriers will even work.Ē It just shuts down discussion when I think itís worth talking about, but I didnít just want to mittens Johnny and not address the OP either.  So I post this wall and encourage continued discussion, because Iím not that smart and Iím probably wrong and this is a problem worth solving.
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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Last post by Pergamos on Yesterday at 10:12:51 pm »
https://apple.news/A_zkotvP5Tvav0Y5V2Iia-w

I have to ask at what stage this shit becomes actually like... actionable. I know we have some people who know the score around here. When does this level of blatant law-breaking become something that legally can be turned into some sort of punishment? Or is the President entirely above the law outside of Congress slapping their hands?

All these double-speak declarations that are later passed on as "jokes" arent even funny.

I feel like folks that claim it was a joke need to explain the joke more often.  Being called on it and just called an asshole makes the defensive and then they double down, insisting people don't have a sense of humor.  Having to explain it might get them to realize it really isn't funny.
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