Unlimited "Stand Your Ground" Thread!

[trippinprincezz13]

You can shoot cops in Indiana now. Why not just not have unlawful intrusion in the first fucking place?
http://rt.com/usa/news/indiana-shooting-law-state-591/

Uhhhh, well that's pretty fucked, now isn't it.

Cop's at my door...."Unlawful intrusion! Unlawful intrusion!" Then in the end it doesn't matter if it was lawful or not, guy's dead and there you go. Not that the police should be intruding all over the place, but there's a pretty big gap between "life-threatening danger/self-defense" and "unlawful intrusion"

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

You can shoot cops in Indiana now. Why not just not have unlawful intrusion in the first fucking place?
http://rt.com/usa/news/indiana-shooting-law-state-591/

Uhhhh, well that's pretty fucked, now isn't it.

Cop's at my door...."Unlawful intrusion! Unlawful intrusion!" Then in the end it doesn't matter if it was lawful or not, guy's dead and there you go. Not that the police should be intruding all over the place, but there's a pretty big gap between "life-threatening danger/self-defense" and "unlawful intrusion"

"I wasn't doing anything wrong. They couldn't have had a warrant or probable cause."

"They don't need it."

"OSHI-"

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The whole interpretation of the "stand your ground" law as meaning that you can accost someone with a gun and if they try to protect themselves, or even simply fail to flee, you have a right to shoot them without consequences, really really needs to be addressed. Whatever they're teaching in their gun licensing classes is clearly very flawed.

If you leave your property with a gun and approach someone with it, it seems pretty cut and dried that they are reasonable in feeling threatened and in responding as such. if you then use that gun on them, it's not self-defense. If I pull a knife on you, will you feel threatened? If I then stab you, is it self-defense, when I'm the one who initiated the threat of violence? Certainly not. How these people think it could be is beyond me.

I can't see the video from this comp, but my impression of the "stand your ground" laws is that it's okay to shoot Brown people.  Brown people may NOT use that law, because there are endangerment laws that contradict the stand your ground law, and THOSE will be employed.

So:

Black woman with a gun:  Endangerment.

White man with a gun:  Stand Your Ground.

Brown man shoots brown man:  Who had more money?

You seem to have a pretty firm understanding.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You can shoot cops in Indiana now. Why not just not have unlawful intrusion in the first fucking place?
http://rt.com/usa/news/indiana-shooting-law-state-591/

Oh, look at that. Backlash against the police state.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

You can shoot cops in Indiana now. Why not just not have unlawful intrusion in the first fucking place?
http://rt.com/usa/news/indiana-shooting-law-state-591/

Oh, look at that. Backlash against the police state.

Of course.
Surprising when it gets legislated though.

[Juana]

From Gawker: Man Who Used 'Stand Your Ground' Law to Defend Shooting Neighbor Over Loud Music Found Guilty of Murder

A Texas jury rejected a retired firefighter's claim that the state's stand-your-ground law gave him the right to shoot and kill an unarmed neighbor for allegedly playing loud music during a party.

Raul Rodriguez's defense attorney argued that his client is protected by the so-called Castle Doctrine because the altercation that resulted in the shooting death of 36-year-old elementary school teacher Kelly Danaher took place in the street.

"He had a right to be (in) the street," said Neal Davis. "He was not provoking anybody. He was not engaged in any criminal activity. The (stand-your-ground) law is not only for home invasions. That's why the law was changed."

Indeed, the Texas version of the controversial law allows for the use of deadly force in self-defense outside the home, but cannot be used as a shield if the person using force provoked the attack.

Prosecutors Kelli Johnson and Donna Logan maintained that Rodriguez was the aggressor when he armed himself with a gun and a camera and headed over to Danaher's home to complain about the noise.

In the footage he recorded, Rodriguez is heard telling a police dispatcher his life was in danger, but Johnson said it was Rodriguez who "lured" Danaher and two others onto the street "and threatened them by brandishing his gun."

"Raul Rodriguez is a neighborhood bully who had a CHL, an arsenal of weapons and a knowledge of the law," said Logan. "He felt he had the ultimate control, the control to decide who lives and who dies."

The jury sided with the prosecutors and voted to convict Rodriguez of murder. Sentencing will take place following additional testimony.

Houston criminal defense attorney Grant Scheiner said the Castle Doctrine might be clarified as a result of this trial — particularly "what it means to provoke someone" — but no major changes to the law should be expected.