ATTN: PRAGMATISTS

[B_M_W]

I think I agree with roger that we should get away from studying the symbols and objects, and move towards an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize, how brainwashing works, how to remove that brainwashing, and so on.

I have to say, trying to defend some of this new age stuff is alot like trying to defend Wicca as an anchient religion for me. In other words, it really clashes as BS. And I feel quite stupid to think otherwise.

[B_M_W]

Andrew Newberg, MD, Associate Professor of Radiology, Psychiatry, and Religious Studies says, "Our finding of decreased activity in the frontal lobes during the practice of speaking in tongues is fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of [Gawd] is moving through them and controlling them to speak.  Our brain imaging research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity, which is consistent with their description of a lack of intentional control while speaking in tongues."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/oct06/glossolalia_print.htm

By diminishing their rational capacity in a flurry of retardation, they get closer to  Gawd.


Case closed.

And thats the kind of research Im talking about.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

I think I agree with roger that we should get away from studying the symbols and objects, and move towards an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize, how brainwashing works, how to remove that brainwashing, and so on.

I have to say, trying to defend some of this new age stuff is alot like trying to defend Wicca as an anchient religion for me. In other words, it really clashes as BS. And I feel quite stupid to think otherwise.

IAWTC

[P3nT4gR4m]

Andrew Newberg, MD, Associate Professor of Radiology, Psychiatry, and Religious Studies says, "Our finding of decreased activity in the frontal lobes during the practice of speaking in tongues is fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of [Gawd] is moving through them and controlling them to speak.  Our brain imaging research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity, which is consistent with their description of a lack of intentional control while speaking in tongues."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/oct06/glossolalia_print.htm

By diminishing their rational capacity in a flurry of retardation, they get closer to  Gawd.


Case closed.

And thats the kind of research Im talking about.

Sounds a lot like mantra yoga. If you sell it as get closer to bloke with beard then that's what they'll buy.

Secret of how religion works

1) blow their minds empty then fill the space with gobshite.

2) Experience is so profound that they will never stop dribbling about it.

3) Send them out to dribble at people who might listen (carefully selected from a demographic profile or by spamming)

4) Count the cash

Nothing complicated. Spot of elementary school trance induction and you're good to go.

I'd love to see BIP turned into a religion - Separation of idiots from cash is highest form of alchemy. Of course you yanks don't get irony do ya?

[Friar Puck]

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/oct06/glossolalia_print.htm

"These findings could be interpreted as the subject,Äôs sense of self being taken over by something else. We, scientifically, assume it,Äôs being taken over by another part of the brain, but we couldn,Äôt see, in this imaging study, where this took place."

If they lined the CAT with quartz they'd know.

[B_M_W]

Andrew Newberg, MD, Associate Professor of Radiology, Psychiatry, and Religious Studies says, "Our finding of decreased activity in the frontal lobes during the practice of speaking in tongues is fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of [Gawd] is moving through them and controlling them to speak.  Our brain imaging research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity, which is consistent with their description of a lack of intentional control while speaking in tongues."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/oct06/glossolalia_print.htm

By diminishing their rational capacity in a flurry of retardation, they get closer to  Gawd.


Case closed.

And thats the kind of research Im talking about.

Sounds a lot like mantra yoga. If you sell it as get closer to bloke with beard then that's what they'll buy.

Secret of how religion works

1) blow their minds empty then fill the space with gobshite.

2) Experience is so profound that they will never stop dribbling about it.

3) Send them out to dribble at people who might listen (carefully selected from a demographic profile or by spamming)

4) Count the cash

Nothing complicated. Spot of elementary school trance induction and you're good to go.

I'd love to see BIP turned into a religion - Separation of idiots from cash is highest form of alchemy. Of course you yanks don't get irony do ya?

Sounds like another CotSB.

[LHX]

sweet mother of fuck

I think I agree with roger that we should get away from studying the symbols and objects, and move towards an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize, how brainwashing works, how to remove that brainwashing, and so on.

I have to say, trying to defend some of this new age stuff is alot like trying to defend Wicca as an anchient religion for me. In other words, it really clashes as BS. And I feel quite stupid to think otherwise.

how is this any different than what was going on in the first place?

i must be reading a different forum



or im a idiot and cant keep in mind the fact that people read into things whatever they want to read into things

i have no idea how there is any sort of revelation being had here



in other words, we should continue doing what we are doing, but not


?

yeah all aboard

[LHX]

Andrew Newberg, MD, Associate Professor of Radiology, Psychiatry, and Religious Studies says, "Our finding of decreased activity in the frontal lobes during the practice of speaking in tongues is fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of [Gawd] is moving through them and controlling them to speak.  Our brain imaging research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity, which is consistent with their description of a lack of intentional control while speaking in tongues."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/oct06/glossolalia_print.htm

By diminishing their rational capacity in a flurry of retardation, they get closer to  Gawd.


Case closed.

so god is a flurry of retardation


kind of suggests everybody should go out and buy gematria chakra balancing for beginners


can i get my birthstone under my avatar?

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

Andrew Newberg, MD, Associate Professor of Radiology, Psychiatry, and Religious Studies says, "Our finding of decreased activity in the frontal lobes during the practice of speaking in tongues is fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of [Gawd] is moving through them and controlling them to speak.  Our brain imaging research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity, which is consistent with their description of a lack of intentional control while speaking in tongues."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/oct06/glossolalia_print.htm

By diminishing their rational capacity in a flurry of retardation, they get closer to  Gawd.


Case closed.

so god is a flurry of retardation


kind of suggests everybody should go out and buy gematria chakra balancing for beginners


can i get my birthstone under my avatar?

Glossolalia = iconic of religion.


You gotta check out how these scientists think about symbols:

http://mike.teczno.com/img/2006-12-16/Jankun-Kelly-2006-ItS.pdf


Rigorous bastards think it's softer than psychology.

[Triple Zero]

or im a idiot and cant keep in mind the fact that people read into things whatever they want to read into things

well, they are free to do so, of course

i have no idea how there is any sort of revelation being had here



in other words, we should continue doing what we are doing, but not


?

yeah all aboard

yes.

you know somehow it makes sense, i'm serious, maybe i'll get it straight this time:

at first we were studying these symbols and objects. i was under the impression that me, silly, lmno, lhx and some others were, afaik, in fact doing this as part of "an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize [...]", but our motives were questioned. if this was the case or not is opening up the whole can of worms again, probably both parties were right in some way, let's step past that (please).



ok, now in order to perform  "an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize [...]", i think we need symbols. otherwise we can't work with the stuff. same as you need symbols for math, even for proving the simple things like 2+3=5.
now we can use the old symbols for this, but i think for the sake of not getting drawn into this again, maybe it's better to create some new ones (and yes, i was under the impression that we were already doing this).

maybe we should view this episode a bit as Odysseus and the sirens, he had to find out what they were about, but in order to not get caught away in it, they had to tie him down to the ship. apparently Roger is taking the role of the rope. (and not exactly a silk rope )

Or maybe i still don't get it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

sweet mother of fuck

I think I agree with roger that we should get away from studying the symbols and objects, and move towards an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize, how brainwashing works, how to remove that brainwashing, and so on.

I have to say, trying to defend some of this new age stuff is alot like trying to defend Wicca as an anchient religion for me. In other words, it really clashes as BS. And I feel quite stupid to think otherwise.

how is this any different than what was going on in the first place?

i must be reading a different forum



or im a idiot and cant keep in mind the fact that people read into things whatever they want to read into things

i have no idea how there is any sort of revelation being had here



in other words, we should continue doing what we are doing, but not


?

yeah all aboard

We can be just as stupid and devoid of content as you can.

So there.

[B_M_W]

sweet mother of fuck

I think I agree with roger that we should get away from studying the symbols and objects, and move towards an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize, how brainwashing works, how to remove that brainwashing, and so on.

I have to say, trying to defend some of this new age stuff is alot like trying to defend Wicca as an anchient religion for me. In other words, it really clashes as BS. And I feel quite stupid to think otherwise.

how is this any different than what was going on in the first place?

i must be reading a different forum



or im a idiot and cant keep in mind the fact that people read into things whatever they want to read into things

i have no idea how there is any sort of revelation being had here



in other words, we should continue doing what we are doing, but not


?

yeah all aboard

In other words, I have been getting a little tired of all these "occult" threads as well. Studies of symbols are all well and good, but I think that if we want to get our message out, we want to study the symbols of the general culture around us, and not those of a select few. For example, christian iconography and worship is everywhere in the states. Wouldn't it make more sense to study that religion's influence on mind than say, Taoism, simply because the cultural data is local and abundant? Not to mention that if you are going to connect to a general member of the populace here, more likely than not they are going to have some sort of Christian influence.

Those are my reasons. At heart I know half of religion is BS, half is placebo, and .00001% is truth. So, lets try to get past the bullshit, understand the placebo and find the truth.

[Thurnez Isa]

For example, christian iconography and worship is everywhere in the states. Wouldn't it make more sense to study their influence on mind than say, Taoism, simply because the cultural data is local and abundant? Not to mention that if you are going to connect to a general member of the populace here, more likely than not they are going to have some sort of Christian influence.

If you have questions about Christian symbolism don't hesitate to ask
not now
i have to go work, ill be running out the door in 30 seconds
but i keep tabs on them, including all the different factions, even some of the lesser known ones
you have to understand how these people think
cause what they believe ACTUALLY has an influence on all our lifes - at least in western culture...if we had more middle eastern members, and eastern members then muslims and hindus, ect.
well im late for work yet again...
lets see if they even notice anymore

[B_M_W]

For example, christian iconography and worship is everywhere in the states. Wouldn't it make more sense to study their influence on mind than say, Taoism, simply because the cultural data is local and abundant? Not to mention that if you are going to connect to a general member of the populace here, more likely than not they are going to have some sort of Christian influence.

If you have questions about Christian symbolism don't hesitate to ask
not now
i have to go work, ill be running out the door in 30 seconds
but i keep tabs on them, including all the different factions, even some of the lesser known ones
you have to understand how these people think
because what they believe ACTUALLY has an influence on all our lifes - at least in western culture...if we had more middle eastern members, and eastern members then muslims and hindus, ect.
well im late for work yet again...
lets see if they even notice anymore

Thats the stuff right there.

[P3nT4gR4m]

sweet mother of fuck

I think I agree with roger that we should get away from studying the symbols and objects, and move towards an overall study of what makes people believe things, buy into religion, put faith in things they can't sense or rationalize, how brainwashing works, how to remove that brainwashing, and so on.

I have to say, trying to defend some of this new age stuff is alot like trying to defend Wicca as an anchient religion for me. In other words, it really clashes as BS. And I feel quite stupid to think otherwise.

how is this any different than what was going on in the first place?

i must be reading a different forum



or im a idiot and cant keep in mind the fact that people read into things whatever they want to read into things

i have no idea how there is any sort of revelation being had here



in other words, we should continue doing what we are doing, but not


?

yeah all aboard

In other words, I have been getting a little tired of all these "occult" threads as well. Studies of symbols are all well and good, but I think that if we want to get our message out, we want to study the symbols of the general culture around us, and not those of a select few. For example, christian iconography and worship is everywhere in the states. Wouldn't it make more sense to study that religion's influence on mind than say, Taoism, simply because the cultural data is local and abundant? Not to mention that if you are going to connect to a general member of the populace here, more likely than not they are going to have some sort of Christian influence.

Those are my reasons. At heart I know half of religion is BS, half is placebo, and .00001% is truth. So, lets try to get past the bullshit, understand the placebo and find the truth.

I don't want to stir this clusterfuck up any more but I do want to say that the stuff we were talking about IS how christianity works, same symbols, same interface to the mind. Christians are programmed using one program written in a programming language.

I'll leave it at that.