Creativity is free

[Reginald Ret]

damn i wish albums were 13 dollars(thats about 7 euros right?) then more people might actually buy them things.

here a album is 20-25 euro a new album by a famous band comes to 30 euro.... i wonder how much of that actually ends up with the artists?

I'd still download just as much though.

[Triple Zero]

20-25 euro?

i suggest you start buying your CDs somewhere else than the "Free Record Shop" or "The Music Store"

try "Plato", it's a national chain afaik and has most CDs for 10-15 euros.
or try some tiny private local CD store.

for 20-25 euro you might as well order them online because even including shipping you're going to be below 18 euros.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

God, I'm starting to feel lucky to live in the US, because I buy most of my CDs for $10 on Amazon or from the musician's websites.

[Reginald Ret]

TBH i haven't bought a CD in at least 3 years, except for some stuff at festivals and at shows from local bands.

i was thinking of the free record shop
Taking the worst example to prove a point is fun
and technically not exaggerating.

[Cain]

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2008/04/myspace_music

This actually has some potential.  Surprisingly, I can find myself in agreement with this, as a business model.  I presume the money would come from marketing on the site which, to be honest, is likely to be pretty high if you are combining legally free music and the Myspace brand name.

I can't see any flaws so far, anyone else wish to comment?

[Triple Zero]

unless they do a complete rewrite of their core code it's going to be a usability and security trainwreck, seeing what currently makes up myspace. their code really, really, absolutely sucks.

apart from that, the business model seems like a fine plan, as far as i can judge, they're not entirely clear about the details yet.

also they said streaming is free, but "if they want to make it portable they can buy it", that's a bit odd. again one of those things you can only enforce by agreeing "you're not allowed to do that", because ultimately it doesn't matter one bit if the music "streams" to my computer or if it "downloads"--it's the same thing. because it completely depends on what the computer of the end-user does with the data, delete it or save it. and it's their computer, they have the right to reverse engineer and circumvent any software that prevents them from doing that. i could flip a button and stream the download or download the stream, it's the same bits going through the same tube, afterall.

[Cain]

Yeah, I sorta posted before really reading the second page, so I saw that as well.

However, their own security people have to know this is going to happen, and if there is no large amount of downloads, it may force them to consider the model I suggested more closely.

[AFK]

It's an interesting idea.  I'm not super tech-savy so I can't comment on that aspect.  But if it works the way it is described I think it'll be a good thing.  Of course it's going to be another nail in the coffin of Free Radio.  Radio was a great tool in its time to break artists and to get their music.  But the listener was confined to the playlist that the program managers drew up.  Now they can just point and click to whatever they want to hear.  It'll be good for artists too in that artists who typically don't get played on radio can get more listens.  But again, I don't know a whole helluva lot about the technology piece so it may be crap too. 

[Xooxe]

unless they do a complete rewrite of their core code it's going to be a usability and security trainwreck, seeing what currently makes up myspace. their code really, really, absolutely sucks.

That's the first thing I thought as I read the article. I've never seen any of the code but you can feel it.

also they said streaming is free, but "if they want to make it portable they can buy it", that's a bit odd. again one of those things you can only enforce by agreeing "you're not allowed to do that", because ultimately it doesn't matter one bit if the music "streams" to my computer or if it "downloads"--it's the same thing. because it completely depends on what the computer of the end-user does with the data, delete it or save it. and it's their computer, they have the right to reverse engineer and circumvent any software that prevents them from doing that. i could flip a button and stream the download or download the stream, it's the same bits going through the same tube, afterall.

Currently on a myspace band profile, if you check the difference of quality between steamed and downloaded audio the downloads win out. I'm not sure entirely how it works but the streaming sucks.

[Triple Zero]

unless they do a complete rewrite of their core code it's going to be a usability and security trainwreck, seeing what currently makes up myspace. their code really, really, absolutely sucks.

That's the first thing I thought as I read the article. I've never seen any of the code but you can feel it.

well, the fact that the guys on sla.ckers.org (hackers forum) were playing "break the new myspace filter" as a sport and succeeded in finding about one XSS exploit every week last year, while the myspace ppl kept updating their filters, completely oblivious to the "right way" to do it, also kind of speaks for itself.

i'm not sure if they finally patched up their filters good, or if the hackers just got bored.

(about the "right way", there's some quite decent ways to protect from XSS but they were just plain dumb about it)

[Politician168023]

* Internet says everyone is an artist/author etc.

* Some bands have become famous through the internet alone and gone on to make millions....

* People love the big screen, something special about the cinema vs. youtube

Radiohead: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/oct/02/digitalmedia.musicnews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Rainbows#Sales_and_chart_placings