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THE CANCER KILLING PDCOM - Blow-by-Blow Coverage of Democratic Primary Race

Started by tyrannosaurus vex, January 04, 2008, 06:15:23 AM

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AFK

Heh, "Power of Hope" that the tunnels don't all collapse while he's in office. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Triple Zero

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Cain


Cain

Looks like the Republicans feel that they can beat Obama in the polls.  A website called republicansforobama.org is urging Repubs and Indepedents to "sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama" in the Texas primaries.

I think the media just got played.  The Repubs might fear Clinton much more if she was in the running, its the only explanation for pushing primary votes for Obama, but the reporting suggests the opposite is true.  So now I'm wondering, in addition to generalized racism and Islamophobia, exactly what do the Repubs have on Obama?  There seems little talk about the depth of the Ayers connection.  Tie that in, you have radical leftist/terrorism/Islamophobia/racism all coming into play against him in the main race.  Or there might be something else entirely.

But be assured, this race will be between McCain and Obama and the Repubs have a hidden ace somewhere that they are dying to play.

Cramulus

So today this guy sez to me, he sez
"Got any change?"
and I said
"What do I look like, Barack Obama?"

Thurnez Isa

Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2008, 07:29:36 PM
Looks like the Republicans feel that they can beat Obama in the polls.  A website called republicansforobama.org is urging Repubs and Indepedents to "sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama" in the Texas primaries.

I think the media just got played.  The Repubs might fear Clinton much more if she was in the running, its the only explanation for pushing primary votes for Obama, but the reporting suggests the opposite is true.  So now I'm wondering, in addition to generalized racism and Islamophobia, exactly what do the Repubs have on Obama?  There seems little talk about the depth of the Ayers connection.  Tie that in, you have radical leftist/terrorism/Islamophobia/racism all coming into play against him in the main race.  Or there might be something else entirely.

But be assured, this race will be between McCain and Obama and the Repubs have a hidden ace somewhere that they are dying to play.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=68237

QuoteWASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.

Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.

"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary," said Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Many Americans will find the three things offensive. Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd."

Opponents of Sen. John Kerry proved in the 2004 election that voters are sensitive to suggestions that a candidate is not sufficiently patriotic. The Democratic presidential nominee's campaign was torpedoed by critics of his Vietnam War record called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, even though he won multiple military honors and was lauded by his superiors.

The Swift Boat campaign started as a relatively small television ad buy that exploded into an issue that dogged Kerry for months. The Massachusetts senator has conceded since losing to President Bush that the campaign and his lackluster response to unsubstantiated allegations he considered unworthy of a reaction likely cost him the election. And the term even became part of the campaign lexicon - swift boating.

Retired Major General Scott Gration, an Obama military adviser, said he expects the attacks will only increase if Obama wins the Democratic nomination.

"People are projecting things and taking things out of context," Gration said. "There's absolutely no question in my mind that Michelle and Barack are extremely patriotic, appreciate our freedoms and our values and everything else that the flag represents."

Officials with the McCain campaign and the Republican Party say they won't be suggesting Obama is less than patriotic, and instead plan to focus their criticisms on his record and inexperience if he wins the nomination. Well-funded outside groups, however, consider anything fair game.

Conservative Republican consultant Keith Appell, who worked with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, said Obama's opposition to the war will create a "striking contrast between McCain the war hero and Obama the poster child for the anti-war movement."

"If you are McCain, you want to play up the decorated war hero, loves his country, served his country," Appell said. "You want to play those themes up as much as possible, especially in comparison to Obama and his role in the anti-war movement."

Last summer, Obama was photographed by Time magazine at an event in Iowa standing with his hands folded during the national anthem. His primary rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson appear beside him, with their hands on their hearts.

It has been repeatedly reported that the moment came during the Pledge of Allegiance, but that's not the case.

In October, Obama told Iowa television station KCRG that he decided to stop wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin during the run-up to the Iraq war because it had become "a substitute for, I think, true patriotism."

"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great and, hopefully, that will be a testimony to my patriotism," Obama said.

Obama's comments led conservatives and media commentators to question his patriotism.

"First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn't do during the singing of the national anthem," said Steve Doocy, co-host of "Fox and Friends" on the Fox News Channel.

"He felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is," former radio host Mark Williams said on Fox.

Gration said he had a copy of the national anthem photo e-mailed to him by a friend who didn't know the facts and questioned how a military man could support someone who doesn't honor the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I go to baseball games and football games and there's just a minority of us who put our hands over our heart. It's not an indication of patriotism," Gration said. Gration said he personally wears a flag pin, but "if I meet someone who doesn't have a lapel pin, it doesn't mean they are more or less patriotic than I am."

And, he added, "I don't think you can find Barack again not putting his hand over his heart at the national anthem."
Through me the way to the city of woe, Through me the way to everlasting pain, Through me the way among the lost.
Justice moved my maker on high.
Divine power made me, Wisdom supreme, and Primal love.
Before me nothing was but things eternal, and eternal I endure.
Abandon all hope, you who enter here.

Dante

Cain

Hmmm

Also interesting to note after the New York Times spilled the beans on McCain's extra-marital shenannigans, Rush Limbaugh et al immediately accepted him into the conservative fold once again.

AFK

I'm not so sure about Rush.  I mean, he will take ANY opportunity to rail against the NY Times even if it means to defend McCain.  I was listening to his show on Friday on the way home from work and he was going on about how low his Conservative rating was over the last 8 years.  I think he will probably be a lot less harsh on McCain now that he's going to be the nominee.  I think he will focus most of his piss and vinegar on Obama (or Hillary).  Again though, I think he secretly wishes for the Democrat to win because it's going to mean higher ratings for him over the next 4 to 8 years.

IN OTHER NEWS:  Ralph Nader is in the race.  I know, big shock right. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Jenne

Ugh, I remember ALL to well "America Held Hostage"...the theme he had for the Clintonian Extravaganza of the 90's.

AFK

I think he's really jumped the shark this time.  Assuming Obama is the Dem candidate, how does he fit into a race with Obama and McCain?  Obama is the "Change" guy and McCain is the "finance reform" guy.  I think he'll have a really hard time getting on enough ballots to even matter.  I think dude is just looking to sell a new book or something.   
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Cain

To be honest, I don't care why Rush etc are doing it, only that they are.  Its also ironic to note he's supporting someone who did, well, basically what Clinton did, only before getting into the White House in this case.

I'm also noting all the passes the media has given Obama lately, when compared to slip-ups Clinton has had.  They think Obama is going to win the primaries, and they want him too, because they've basically exhausted the media narrative on Clinton, but Obama is still an untapped mine of big stories.  Remember, the NYT sat on the McCain story for nearly 3 months, they can string along the patriotism/Weatherman connection stuff for months before becoming totally hysterical.

Jenne

Yeah, I've thought for a while now that the media had "chosen" Obama over Hillary, and I think the Clintonian campside understands this as welll, given the negative interaction between them and the media at large. 

The Rush thing is bizarre, but I don't really concern myself with it at this point, since the whole Conservatard media contingent will have to rally around "Mac" if they want him to survive Obama.

LMNO

The New York Times is a better target for Right Wing Nuts than McCain is.

As to the other point, Obama has a better charismatic narrative. 




In both cases, facts take a back seat to a good story.


Cramulus

Just you're not convinced of the Illuminati's role in this election

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08056/860162-294.stm


a Ton of previous presidents have been lefties.
(assuming Obama beats Hillary) BOTH of this year's candidates are left handed.


YOU GUYS GETTING THIS?

LEFT HANDED PEOPLE = MASONS