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[East Coast Hustle]

Plantains which are seen on damn near every sidewalk in the world are very hardy and resilient plants whose roots break down concrete and are highly nutritious.

while plantains are indeed highly nutritious, they are certainly not found in colder climes. also, they grow on trees, not vines, so they are unlikely to be found on sidewalks anywhere unless someone dumped a crate of them there.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Different plantains: http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/WEEDS/broadleaf_plantain.html

[the last yatto]

Where did you get your information on alternative medicine? It's terribly flawed, as well as being incomplete.

myspace

[Novatore]

Different plantains: http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/WEEDS/broadleaf_plantain.html

yep i should have clarified that a bit, on a different note:

Urban edibles is a very excellent site which utilizes crowdsourcing to map all the wild edibles in pdx, its an idea I would like to see spread to other locales:
http://urbanedibles.org/

Aquaponics is very similar to hydroponics except a second cycle is added where fish, typically Tilapia provide the nitrogenous waste which provides nutrients for the plants, like wise there are systems where the food for the tilapia is grown in the system. Once the system is set up all it requires is attention and occasional addition of water.
http://farmfountain.com/howto/index.html

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Where did you get your information on alternative medicine? It's terribly flawed, as well as being incomplete.

myspace

[Requia ☣]

*snip*

Organic may or may not be healthier to consume, depending on what it is. The higher on the food chain, the more unwanted/potentially harmful constituents can be avoided by eating organic.

*snip*

If something is high up on the food chain, wouldn't organic be of questionable use, since there are toxins in its food, irrespective of what else is done?  I suppose that non organic feed could exacerbate the problem in farm raised animals though.

[Requia ☣]

On echinacea:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/353/4/341

Edit: It occurs to me that every study I've seen on the stuff focuses on the cold, it might be a different story with respect to other viruses.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

*snip*

Organic may or may not be healthier to consume, depending on what it is. The higher on the food chain, the more unwanted/potentially harmful constituents can be avoided by eating organic.

*snip*

If something is high up on the food chain, wouldn't organic be of questionable use, since there are toxins in its food, irrespective of what else is done?  I suppose that non organic feed could exacerbate the problem in farm raised animals though.

Organic-raised animals are fed organic food, and are not given hormones or antibiotics. Read more.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

On echinacea:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/353/4/341

Edit: It occurs to me that every study I've seen on the stuff focuses on the cold, it might be a different story with respect to other viruses.

That's one of the studies I referenced. In that study they used approximately one-third the dosage used in studies that showed an immunostimulant effect. 

[Requia ☣]

Link to the studies that show this?  The only one I can find studied echinacea in combination with other things, and didn't distinguish between the two.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Link to the studies that show this?  The only one I can find studied echinacea in combination with other things, and didn't distinguish between the two.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=medical+echinacea+studies

[Requia ☣]

A) Fuck you
B) Did that already, guess what?  Google says you're full of shit.

Try again.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Are you seriously going to be that much of a bitch over me not wanting to do any more research for you over a days-old conversation that I'm bored of?

I mean, the information is out there... if I found it so can you. Or you could call me names because I didn't post the links in the first place and don't feel like looking it up again.

It might require more delving and reading than you feel like doing, but that's not my problem.

[chaoflux]

Google says you're full of shit.

[Requia ☣]

Are you seriously going to be that much of a bitch over me not wanting to do any more research for you over a days-old conversation that I'm bored of?

I mean, the information is out there... if I found it so can you. Or you could call me names because I didn't post the links in the first place and don't feel like looking it up again.

It might require more delving and reading than you feel like doing, but that's not my problem.

No, I'm going to swear at you because you pull the 'go look it up' schtick on me every time I claim you're wrong.  Then when i come back with citations that *also* say you're wrong you tell me to look it up, if you're going to make claims that the evidence really exists but I'm not trying hard enough, then fuck you.