Magic: Who thinks they can do it, and why otherwise intelligent people buy it.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Well, just for that, I'm getting it cut.

[Triple Zero]

O_o

[The Johnny]

Im gonna put on my magical hawaiian shirt and shorts, so that this fucking 0ºC cold stops bothering me; also, im gonna stuff coal up my rectum, while i chant "I wanna go to africa" as a ritual hymn to Rah.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Im gonna put on my magical hawaiian shirt and shorts, so that this fucking 0ºC cold stops bothering me; also, im gonna stuff coal up my rectum, while i chant "I wanna go to africa" as a ritual hymn to Rah.

There's Only One God
He Is The Sun God
Isis Isis
Ra Ra RA

(but only if you do it in ancient 'cheerleader chant')

[Triple Zero]

taht's from the illuminatus trilogy, right?

never noticed it was a cheerleader chant before wonder if they did it like that in the audio book version? [or maybe I didnt get to that part, I didnt entirely finish the audio book].

so um this might be a dumb question, but if there is only one god, and he is the sun god, why does the chant include Isis?

[The Johnny]

Im gonna put on my magical hawaiian shirt and shorts, so that this fucking 0ºC cold stops bothering me; also, im gonna stuff coal up my rectum, while i chant "I wanna go to africa" as a ritual hymn to Rah.

There's Only One God
He Is The Sun God
Isis Isis
Ra Ra RA

(but only if you do it in ancient 'cheerleader chant')

Are you mocking my magical ritual? What if its the only way i have to keep warm? You prick.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

taht's from the illuminatus trilogy, right?

never noticed it was a cheerleader chant before wonder if they did it like that in the audio book version? [or maybe I didnt get to that part, I didnt entirely finish the audio book].

so um this might be a dumb question, but if there is only one god, and he is the sun god, why does the chant include Isis?

The cult of Ra (the Sun God) during the New Kingdom, esp under the rule of Akhenaten was a monotheistic one. The Sun God was worshiped over all other Gods by that cult (the other gods existed, but were weenies). Oddly, worshiping the Sun God (the Father) ended up behaving much like fundamental Christianity in Egypt. Some say its a factor in monotheism, if you KNOW Ra is the ONLY GOD, then you get pissed at everyone else (ala 2nd circuit)... Others that play with 'archetypes' find strong correlations between Ra as worshiped by Akhenaten and some aspects of the 'Father' in Christianity (and the Son in Osiris).

However, the really, real best bit... is that its a slam at Catholics.

Isis was the 'Mother Goddess', so the monotheistic Ra worshipers were also (in his chant) worshiping Isis... just as the 'monotheistic' Catholics pray to Mary:

There's only One God
He is The Son God
Mary, Mary
Jesus Christ!

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Im gonna put on my magical hawaiian shirt and shorts, so that this fucking 0ºC cold stops bothering me; also, im gonna stuff coal up my rectum, while i chant "I wanna go to africa" as a ritual hymn to Rah.

There's Only One God
He Is The Sun God
Isis Isis
Ra Ra RA

(but only if you do it in ancient 'cheerleader chant')

Are you mocking my magical ritual? What if its the only way i have to keep warm? You prick.

But that ritual will make you laugh if you do it right... and that will warm you.

[Cain]

Ratatosk's hair is dildoes.

[The Johnny]

taht's from the illuminatus trilogy, right?

never noticed it was a cheerleader chant before wonder if they did it like that in the audio book version? [or maybe I didnt get to that part, I didnt entirely finish the audio book].

so um this might be a dumb question, but if there is only one god, and he is the sun god, why does the chant include Isis?

The cult of Ra (the Sun God) during the New Kingdom, esp under the rule of Akhenaten was a monotheistic one. The Sun God was worshiped over all other Gods by that cult (the other gods existed, but were weenies). Oddly, worshiping the Sun God (the Father) ended up behaving much like fundamental Christianity in Egypt. Some say its a factor in monotheism, if you KNOW Ra is the ONLY GOD, then you get pissed at everyone else (ala 2nd circuit)... Others that play with 'archetypes' find strong correlations between Ra as worshiped by Akhenaten and some aspects of the 'Father' in Christianity (and the Son in Osiris).

However, the really, real best bit... is that its a slam at Catholics.

Isis was the 'Mother Goddess', so the monotheistic Ra worshipers were also (in his chant) worshiping Isis... just as the 'monotheistic' Catholics pray to Mary:

monotheistic (not comparable)

   1. (religion) Believing in a single god, deity, spirit, etc., especially for an organized religion, faith, or creed.

polytheism (plural polytheisms)

   1. The belief of the existence of many gods.

Mary might be ascended, but shes not a goddess.

The only thing you could try to slide is that the "holy trinity" is a sign of polytheism in an apparent monotheism, but thats just spinning yarns.

[The Johnny]

Im gonna put on my magical hawaiian shirt and shorts, so that this fucking 0ºC cold stops bothering me; also, im gonna stuff coal up my rectum, while i chant "I wanna go to africa" as a ritual hymn to Rah.

There's Only One God
He Is The Sun God
Isis Isis
Ra Ra RA

(but only if you do it in ancient 'cheerleader chant')

Are you mocking my magical ritual? What if its the only way i have to keep warm? You prick.

But that ritual will make you laugh if you do it right... and that will warm you.

The grace of Rah, will make me laugh in joy, because his spirit rays shall be warming me.

[P3nT4gR4m]

taht's from the illuminatus trilogy, right?

never noticed it was a cheerleader chant before wonder if they did it like that in the audio book version? [or maybe I didnt get to that part, I didnt entirely finish the audio book].

so um this might be a dumb question, but if there is only one god, and he is the sun god, why does the chant include Isis?

The cult of Ra (the Sun God) during the New Kingdom, esp under the rule of Akhenaten was a monotheistic one. The Sun God was worshiped over all other Gods by that cult (the other gods existed, but were weenies). Oddly, worshiping the Sun God (the Father) ended up behaving much like fundamental Christianity in Egypt. Some say its a factor in monotheism, if you KNOW Ra is the ONLY GOD, then you get pissed at everyone else (ala 2nd circuit)... Others that play with 'archetypes' find strong correlations between Ra as worshiped by Akhenaten and some aspects of the 'Father' in Christianity (and the Son in Osiris).

However, the really, real best bit... is that its a slam at Catholics.

Isis was the 'Mother Goddess', so the monotheistic Ra worshipers were also (in his chant) worshiping Isis... just as the 'monotheistic' Catholics pray to Mary:

monotheistic (not comparable)

  1. (religion) Believing in a single god, deity, spirit, etc., especially for an organized religion, faith, or creed.

polytheism (plural polytheisms)

  1. The belief of the existence of many gods.

Mary might be ascended, but shes not a goddess.

The only thing you could try to slide is that the "holy trinity" is a sign of polytheism in an apparent monotheism, but thats just spinning yarns.

Catholics tend to mix up their gods and their graven idols quite a bit. Virgin Mary is venerated, often to the point where the god(s) are ignored. Catholicism is thinly veiled polytheism, masquerading as monotheism. Considering its roots how could it be anything else?

[The Johnny]

taht's from the illuminatus trilogy, right?

never noticed it was a cheerleader chant before wonder if they did it like that in the audio book version? [or maybe I didnt get to that part, I didnt entirely finish the audio book].

so um this might be a dumb question, but if there is only one god, and he is the sun god, why does the chant include Isis?

The cult of Ra (the Sun God) during the New Kingdom, esp under the rule of Akhenaten was a monotheistic one. The Sun God was worshiped over all other Gods by that cult (the other gods existed, but were weenies). Oddly, worshiping the Sun God (the Father) ended up behaving much like fundamental Christianity in Egypt. Some say its a factor in monotheism, if you KNOW Ra is the ONLY GOD, then you get pissed at everyone else (ala 2nd circuit)... Others that play with 'archetypes' find strong correlations between Ra as worshiped by Akhenaten and some aspects of the 'Father' in Christianity (and the Son in Osiris).

However, the really, real best bit... is that its a slam at Catholics.

Isis was the 'Mother Goddess', so the monotheistic Ra worshipers were also (in his chant) worshiping Isis... just as the 'monotheistic' Catholics pray to Mary:

monotheistic (not comparable)

  1. (religion) Believing in a single god, deity, spirit, etc., especially for an organized religion, faith, or creed.

polytheism (plural polytheisms)

  1. The belief of the existence of many gods.

Mary might be ascended, but shes not a goddess.

The only thing you could try to slide is that the "holy trinity" is a sign of polytheism in an apparent monotheism, but thats just spinning yarns.

Catholics tend to mix up their gods and their graven idols quite a bit. Virgin Mary is venerated, often to the point where the god(s) are ignored. Catholicism is thinly veiled polytheism, masquerading as monotheism. Considering its roots how could it be anything else?

So are you saying that all religions are polytheistic?

Are angels minor gods?

You know what, nevermind, i dont want to argue about definitions of stuff that is jibberish anyways.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'm saying that a desperate last ditch attempt to hold together a crumbling empire who's population are almost exclusively polytheistic is going to have to have elements of polytheism in there. Sugar coating for the pill that's about to be rammed down the populace's throat. The fact that it worked is testament to how good an editing job the nicene council actually managed to pull off. All the shit that those pagan assholes always claim about them hijacking the existing festivals  - that's pretty much true after a fashion.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Karl Jung and Joseph Campbell would argue that the veneration of Mary as 'Mother of God' is directly connected to a basic human archetype. The same archetype as filled by Isis and others throughout history... Moms are generally important to people.

Also, Pent is correct in tying the weird Catholic 'monotheism-ish'  with the early recruitment plans of the Church.