Pot/drugs: An all-encompassing explanation.

[Doktor Howl]

Our clubs and raves are inhabited strictly by zombies.  All fucked up on bad drugs, they shuffle back and forth under the impression that they're dancing, and they think they're there to hook up.

It's not their fault they can't dance, Dok, have you heard the music they listen to?

Wouldn't matter if you turned the "music" off, Rumckle.

[Faust]

Anyone who fucks around with e or meth is going to be a self-correcting problem, and is a nuisance only in the fact that I used to have to deal with their carcasses every Saturday morning.

What happens on saturday?

The police scoop up dead kids from behind clubs, of course.  Or behind some shitty honky tonk trailer-bar in horrible little mining towns.

Yikes, we don't have it that bad here yet. Very few overdoses each year of illegal substances.
Most deaths in ireland are due to alcohol and smoking. A third of all road deaths here are alcohol deaths.
It looked like we were developing a heroin problem in cork but the recession seemed to dry up the funds for that, and the fact that the IRA are murdering drug dealers.

Heh.  Nothing like a little vigilante justice to make a bad situation worse.

Yeah, there was a certain balance to it before hand. The Gardaí go after big targets which keeps the drug trade on the low, they turn a blind eye to the small time.
Then the 'Ra kills an easy target (they never get big drug dealers because they are cowards) and that blind eye is forced to look that way. The Gardaí get shit about bodies turning up, they put pressure on everyone involved, and the drug trade gets more organized and gets more press which actually gets them custom, the problem intensifies.

[Dimocritus]

#2 here. Though, lately I've been thinking about giving it up, at least temporarily. The only problem being I'd need to find something else to do and new friends.

[BabylonHoruv]

I don't think E and meth are even in the same ballpark.

Chemically very similar,  both are Methamphetemines, MDMA stands for Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

which means it is meth with extra methylenedioxide.

I enjoyed E way more when I tried it, and I have seen less people with destroyed lives because of it, but they are definitely in the same park.

[Lies]

I just want to say, the only thing I've totally agreed with in this thread so far is the southpark quote.

Everything else is filled with Icky bias.

[Nast]

I just want to say, the only thing I've totally agreed with in this thread so far is the southpark quote.

Everything else is filled with Icky bias.

Your FACE is icky bias.

[Rumckle]

I don't think E and meth are even in the same ballpark.

Chemically very similar,  both are Methamphetemines, MDMA stands for Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

which means it is meth with extra methylenedioxide.

I enjoyed E way more when I tried it, and I have seen less people with destroyed lives because of it, but they are definitely in the same park.

Just because they are chemically very similar does not mean that they are in the same ball park.

Ethanol and methanol are chemically very similar, but methanol will kill you a lot faster.

[Iason Ouabache]

OH WAIT i do drink alot of caffeine....i dont really count that tho, but i will hike through snow drifts to get my coffee. that EFFORT is necessary otherwise my brain explodes.

Caffeine is definitely drugs.

Yep, and a startlingly powerful one, as proven by the actual debilitating effects of death coffee.

OD of caffeine leads to explosive diorhea, vomiting, and hallucinations.  I learned this while in counseling for marijuana usage while a teenager. (not from personal experience but from my drug counselor describing personal observations of people who had OD'd on caffeine pills)

Have I mentioned lately that I have access to a very large bottle of pure caffeine at work? That same damn bottle has been there longer than I have and I started in '03.

[Iason Ouabache]

Also I have never done pot or E or meth or crack or cigarettes or Scotch. I'm too straight laced for my own good. 

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Also I have never done pot or E or meth or crack or cigarettes or Scotch. I'm too straight laced for my own good. 

Have you at least looked at porn?

[Triple Zero]

OH WAIT i do drink alot of caffeine....i dont really count that tho, but i will hike through snow drifts to get my coffee. that EFFORT is necessary otherwise my brain explodes.

Caffeine is definitely drugs.

Yep, and a startlingly powerful one, as proven by the actual debilitating effects of death coffee.

Okay then, serious question, I think about this a lot of the time.

A lot of people say they need caffeine (coffee usually) to "get their day started".

(However, if you drink coffee every day, tolerance occurs, and the alertness effects wane in relation to the side effects.)

Now, the OP says that unless you're doing drugs simply for entertainment or actual medical purposes, you're deluding yourself. Especially if you claim you "need them to be able to work".

Now don't jump on me right away, I'm serious. And I wonder about it a lot. So many people consume caffeine. Apart from the obvious withdrawal effects (headaches), to what extent do all these people really need caffeine to be able to function?

There are people that do not consume caffeine, are they significantly less efficient?

Are there actually any effects of caffeine on the personality? I have repeatedly observed friends that, when in a period they smoke pot every day, get significantly more cranky, depressed or bored, regardless of whether they're stoned at that moment, but just as a sort of background effect. I'm noticing the same thing with dex (about which I posted in another thread) which I quit for a week now, and I already feel a lot more "easy-going" (in a good way). I bet that people that drink 3+ alcohol units every day slightly change personality as well.

Does caffeine affect personality? Or does the tolerance effect prevent this, perhaps?

[Triple Zero]

Hey, POTHEAD, thanks for ruining the joke. Fucker.

which joke, I thought we were having a discussion? did I miss something?

[Triple Zero]

It is definitely reactive and potentially dangerous when combined with other drugs, and people who are taking antidepressants should never take it.

Really? I never used MDMA and am uncertain if I ever will, but this is one of those things that are good to know. I thought this was only the case with the MAO inhibitors and/or the tricyclic antidepressants, not the SSRIs?

Good thing Internets are ubiquitous these days, if I ever get into the temptation I could probably take a quick look at Erowid first.

[Triple Zero]

Then about 8 years ago I was diagnosed with RA. I'm to the point now there isn't much left that helps.  So I admit, when it's so bad I can't get out of bed, I'll track down a bag, smoke a joint and I can actually walk around without the cane on one side and a kid on the other. When 4 percocet do NOTHING you try other shit.

not sure what RA is (rheumatic arthritis? something very painful, anyway), but this always amazes me.

does the pain-relieving effect of weed only work for muscle or joint pains or something?

I do believe you but I seriously have never noticed pain relief effects from weed. But then, I'm not often in a lot of pain. Maybe I should try it when I have muscle ache from running too much the previous day.

Doesn't really matter I just think it's amazing that it's such an incredible help for people with such bad pains.

[the last yatto]

the only drug that i haven't tried and would like to is ether
likes: teeth mary fags and lucy (rarely),
o and cant forget the whisky