Icarus

[Cain]

Meh, Anonymous have been targeting "innocent" people for years.

So have most of the companies and individuals trading on the NYSE.

Nothing changes if they succeed and nothing changes if they fail.

(Either way, calling it "terrorism" is kinda rich.  It's not like Anonymous are actually going to plant bombs in the offices of stockbrokers or send a hit squad in to teach Lloyd Blankfein you can really fuck someone's life up for the very cheap cost of 8 cents, rather than through crashing the world economy).

I suppose more accurately it would be "Financial Terrorism" so no it's not the same as flying planes intot the towers.

Buddy, while you were making outlandish music on the internet I was working for a transatlantic think tank on questions involving terrorism, financial and economic sabotage of critical structures and the best way to prevent them (which would then be promptly reversed engineered and distributed to intelligence personnel for their usual half-hearted efforts at blowing things up and killing people).

This isn't terrorism.

[Ambassador KLOK KAOS]

I'm citing reason 2 as well as Faust's examples.  Reason 2 can be confirmed through reaction of NYSE posted on blog comments all over the net.

Anon is completely aware of the fear they are instilling and using that fear to drive the market.  In the end, innocents will lose their pensions if their plan is successful, and this is considered acceptable loss, making them no different from the current establishment, except that they are potentially more dangerous.

Anon isn't just computers, black faxes and pizza deliveries, it's also a propaganda machine capable of a twisting a paradigm.  Controlling others through fear is exactly terrorism IMO.  Whether it's a gun at the head or the threat of losing one's life savings, it's still coercion.

[Cain]

the plan is drop wall street on it's ass.

ter·ror·ism   
[ter-uh-riz-uhm] 
–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

sauce dictionary.com

And how does what they do fall into any of those three catagories?

What they're doing is market manipulation. 

Unless you're one of those guys that wants to make every crime "terrorism", so we can two-step around due process?

I just want to savour this moment.  AKK is quoting dictionary.com at me to try and explain what terrorism is.

I believe this is stage two of his known and noted behaviour.

[Ambassador KLOK KAOS]

Buddy, while you were making outlandish music on the internet I was working for a transatlantic think tank on questions involving terrorism, financial and economic sabotage of critical structures and the best way to prevent them (which would then be promptly reversed engineered and distributed to intelligence personnel for their usual half-hearted efforts at blowing things up and killing people).

This isn't terrorism.

Please share your findings then.  Not challenging your position, I'm interested.

[Doktor Howl]

I'm citing reason 2 as well as Faust's examples.  Reason 2 can be confirmed through reaction of NYSE posted on blog comments all over the net.

Anon is completely aware of the fear they are instilling and using that fear to drive the market.  In the end, innocents will lose their pensions if their plan is successful, and this is considered acceptable loss, making them no different from the current establishment, except that they are potentially more dangerous.

Anon isn't just computers, black faxes and pizza deliveries, it's also a propaganda machine capable of a twisting a paradigm.  Controlling others through fear is exactly terrorism IMO.  Whether it's a gun at the head or the threat of losing one's life savings, it's still coercion.

Right, then.  We should also arrest anyone who starts a boycott on terrorism charges.

[Ambassador KLOK KAOS]

I'm citing reason 2 as well as Faust's examples.  Reason 2 can be confirmed through reaction of NYSE posted on blog comments all over the net.

Anon is completely aware of the fear they are instilling and using that fear to drive the market.  In the end, innocents will lose their pensions if their plan is successful, and this is considered acceptable loss, making them no different from the current establishment, except that they are potentially more dangerous.

Anon isn't just computers, black faxes and pizza deliveries, it's also a propaganda machine capable of a twisting a paradigm.  Controlling others through fear is exactly terrorism IMO.  Whether it's a gun at the head or the threat of losing one's life savings, it's still coercion.

Right, then.  We should also arrest anyone who starts a boycott on terrorism charges.

Fair enough.  I suppose I'm mostly concerned of the scale of the damage and the innocent bystandards that stand to lose a great deal.  That's if you want to be all pragmatic about it :/  I'm interested in seeing Cain's findings though.

[Thurnez Isa]

Meh, Anonymous have been targeting "innocent" people for years.

So have most of the companies and individuals trading on the NYSE.

Nothing changes if they succeed and nothing changes if they fail.

(Either way, calling it "terrorism" is kinda rich.  It's not like Anonymous are actually going to plant bombs in the offices of stockbrokers or send a hit squad in to teach Lloyd Blankfein you can really fuck someone's life up for the very cheap cost of 8 cents, rather than through crashing the world economy).

I suppose more accurately it would be "Financial Terrorism" so no it's not the same as flying planes intot the towers.

Buddy, while you were making outlandish music on the internet I was working for a transatlantic think tank on questions involving terrorism, financial and economic sabotage of critical structures and the best way to prevent them (which would then be promptly reversed engineered and distributed to intelligence personnel for their usual half-hearted efforts at blowing things up and killing people).

This isn't terrorism.

I don't know. Have you heard his music.

[Ambassador KLOK KAOS]

lol, I totally get it!  You were comparing my music to terrorism...




In actuality the record after the one I'm currently working on (concept only right now) is under the working title "American Audio Torture".  It came up when someone suggested that they blast my music instead of Metallica at the prisoners in Guantanamo to make sure they learn their lesson.  Admittedly, I think it would have a better impact.  Metallica does include melodies and harmonies while I strive for cognitive dissonance that just barely holds itself together structurally.

But thanks for the vote of confidence 

[Doktor Howl]

I'm citing reason 2 as well as Faust's examples.  Reason 2 can be confirmed through reaction of NYSE posted on blog comments all over the net.

Anon is completely aware of the fear they are instilling and using that fear to drive the market.  In the end, innocents will lose their pensions if their plan is successful, and this is considered acceptable loss, making them no different from the current establishment, except that they are potentially more dangerous.

Anon isn't just computers, black faxes and pizza deliveries, it's also a propaganda machine capable of a twisting a paradigm.  Controlling others through fear is exactly terrorism IMO.  Whether it's a gun at the head or the threat of losing one's life savings, it's still coercion.

Right, then.  We should also arrest anyone who starts a boycott on terrorism charges.

Fair enough.  I suppose I'm mostly concerned of the scale of the damage and the innocent bystandards that stand to lose a great deal.  That's if you want to be all pragmatic about it :/  I'm interested in seeing Cain's findings though.

1.  We don't like your company's policies.

2.  We will conspire to not buy from you until you change.

3.  You and all of your employees (and their families) and vendors (and THEIR families) will suffer financially until this happens.

I have now used a boycott, and by your definition, become a terrorist.

ITT, We learn that Martin Luther King Jr's boycott of the Birmingham bus system was an act of terrorism.  Lester Maddox would be so pleased to hear about this, were he alive.

Also, Gandhi was a terrorist, for his multiple Boycotts, as was Nelson Mandella.

I LOVE THIS CENTURY! 

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

I'm citing reason 2 as well as Faust's examples.  Reason 2 can be confirmed through reaction of NYSE posted on blog comments all over the net.

Anon is completely aware of the fear they are instilling and using that fear to drive the market.  In the end, innocents will lose their pensions if their plan is successful, and this is considered acceptable loss, making them no different from the current establishment, except that they are potentially more dangerous.

Anon isn't just computers, black faxes and pizza deliveries, it's also a propaganda machine capable of a twisting a paradigm.  Controlling others through fear is exactly terrorism IMO.  Whether it's a gun at the head or the threat of losing one's life savings, it's still coercion.

Right, then.  We should also arrest anyone who starts a boycott on terrorism charges.

Fair enough.  I suppose I'm mostly concerned of the scale of the damage and the innocent bystandards that stand to lose a great deal.  That's if you want to be all pragmatic about it :/  I'm interested in seeing Cain's findings though.

1.  We don't like your company's policies.

2.  We will conspire to not buy from you until you change.

3.  You and all of your employees (and their families) and vendors (and THEIR families) will suffer financially until this happens.

I have now used a boycott, and by your definition, become a terrorist.

ITT, We learn that Martin Luther King Jr's boycott of the Birmingham bus system was an act of terrorism.  Lester Maddox would be so pleased to hear about this, were he alive.

Also, Gandhi was a terrorist, for his multiple Boycotts, as was Nelson Mandella.

I LOVE THIS CENTURY!  

But if that is true then I'm a terrorist.....  

[Doktor Howl]

I'm citing reason 2 as well as Faust's examples.  Reason 2 can be confirmed through reaction of NYSE posted on blog comments all over the net.

Anon is completely aware of the fear they are instilling and using that fear to drive the market.  In the end, innocents will lose their pensions if their plan is successful, and this is considered acceptable loss, making them no different from the current establishment, except that they are potentially more dangerous.

Anon isn't just computers, black faxes and pizza deliveries, it's also a propaganda machine capable of a twisting a paradigm.  Controlling others through fear is exactly terrorism IMO.  Whether it's a gun at the head or the threat of losing one's life savings, it's still coercion.

Right, then.  We should also arrest anyone who starts a boycott on terrorism charges.

Fair enough.  I suppose I'm mostly concerned of the scale of the damage and the innocent bystandards that stand to lose a great deal.  That's if you want to be all pragmatic about it :/  I'm interested in seeing Cain's findings though.

1.  We don't like your company's policies.

2.  We will conspire to not buy from you until you change.

3.  You and all of your employees (and their families) and vendors (and THEIR families) will suffer financially until this happens.

I have now used a boycott, and by your definition, become a terrorist.

ITT, We learn that Martin Luther King Jr's boycott of the Birmingham bus system was an act of terrorism.  Lester Maddox would be so pleased to hear about this, were he alive.

Also, Gandhi was a terrorist, for his multiple Boycotts, as was Nelson Mandella.

I LOVE THIS CENTURY!  

But if that is true then I'm a terrorist.....  

Well, I guess it's indefinite detention for you.  We can't be too careful, you know.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

1.  We don't like your company's policies.

2.  We will conspire to not buy from you until you change.

3.  You and all of your employees (and their families) and vendors (and THEIR families) will suffer financially until this happens.

I have now used a boycott, and by your definition, become a terrorist.

ITT, We learn that Martin Luther King Jr's boycott of the Birmingham bus system was an act of terrorism.  Lester Maddox would be so pleased to hear about this, were he alive.

Also, Gandhi was a terrorist, for his multiple Boycotts, as was Nelson Mandella.

I LOVE THIS CENTURY! 

But if that is true then I'm a terrorist..... 

Well, I guess it's indefinite detention for you.  We can't be too careful, you know.

I think after a week with my kids, I'll be set free.  

[The Wizard Joseph]

Maybe paranoid but..

My (limited) understanding is that "anons" are not centrally organized and might be considered more of a ladder conspiracy or similar. 

If there is no knowable organizer then it becomes possible to use the rhetoric and format to simply stir up people to do what you suggest.

There's serious money on the table here for someone that's ready to short the fall (if it happens). 

It would also likely allow for more "Anti-terror" legislation, and only the less skillful participants are likely to take the fall.

Perhaps this is an attempt by the con to use anon.

[BabylonHoruv]

I wouldn't call an attack on the new york stock exchange terrorism, but I also wouldn't call it market manipulation.  It is systemic disruption, a direct attack on the system.

A more concrete example of systemic disruption would be cutting the powerline to a city, and this is a much more direct attack than a boycott.

a DDOS attack on the stock exchange falls under the same category.

[Triple Zero]

Tried to check the link, Norton had a shitfit.

http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.thehackernews.com%2F2011%2F03%2Foperation-icarus-will-anonymous-shut.html

I just checked that link, it is bullshit. 9 threats on that page? I don't see anything.