Occupy

[Doktor Howl]

I was pretty sure this was going to happen, and I believe Roger had a rant concerning this: 

Liberal protest scope creep.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/07/politics/occupy-wall-street/index.html

Not content with staying on point, activists are starting to branch out and use the Occupy movement to further their own agenda.

I expect PETA to show up any time now.

HAW HAW!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

[Doktor Howl]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

This is true.

However, the way Occupy Portland has been handling this so far is to treat any groups with an actual message as a separate group, and say that they are grateful to have their support.

Working fairly well so far. "Gosh war protesters, we're sure glad you came out to stand with us today!"

[Doktor Howl]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

This is true.

However, the way Occupy Portland has been handling this so far is to treat any groups with an actual message as a separate group, and say that they are grateful to have their support.

Working fairly well so far. "Gosh war protesters, we're sure glad you came out to stand with us today!"

Problem:  The media just LOVES mixed messages.  So the anti-war guys have their signs, and the WTO guys have their signs, and the animal rights folks have THEIR signs, and the media settles into "Look at the cute activists", which is what they really, desperately want to do.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

This is true.

However, the way Occupy Portland has been handling this so far is to treat any groups with an actual message as a separate group, and say that they are grateful to have their support.

Working fairly well so far. "Gosh war protesters, we're sure glad you came out to stand with us today!"

Problem:  The media just LOVES mixed messages.  So the anti-war guys have their signs, and the WTO guys have their signs, and the animal rights folks have THEIR signs, and the media settles into "Look at the cute activists", which is what they really, desperately want to do.

Yes, they will latch onto anything to try to diffuse the threat. But the funny thing is that their responses are revealing that they ARE seeing it as a threat now, and I find that HILARIOUS.

[Doktor Howl]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

This is true.

However, the way Occupy Portland has been handling this so far is to treat any groups with an actual message as a separate group, and say that they are grateful to have their support.

Working fairly well so far. "Gosh war protesters, we're sure glad you came out to stand with us today!"

Problem:  The media just LOVES mixed messages.  So the anti-war guys have their signs, and the WTO guys have their signs, and the animal rights folks have THEIR signs, and the media settles into "Look at the cute activists", which is what they really, desperately want to do.

Yes, they will latch onto anything to try to diffuse the threat. But the funny thing is that their responses are revealing that they ARE seeing it as a threat now, and I find that HILARIOUS.

So do I.  But they have this shit down to a science, now, and the inability of the left to stay on message will give them whatever they need to turn this into a joke like the anti-war rallies of 2003-2005.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

This is true.

However, the way Occupy Portland has been handling this so far is to treat any groups with an actual message as a separate group, and say that they are grateful to have their support.

Working fairly well so far. "Gosh war protesters, we're sure glad you came out to stand with us today!"

Problem:  The media just LOVES mixed messages.  So the anti-war guys have their signs, and the WTO guys have their signs, and the animal rights folks have THEIR signs, and the media settles into "Look at the cute activists", which is what they really, desperately want to do.

Yes, they will latch onto anything to try to diffuse the threat. But the funny thing is that their responses are revealing that they ARE seeing it as a threat now, and I find that HILARIOUS.

So do I.  But they have this shit down to a science, now, and the inability of the left to stay on message will give them whatever they need to turn this into a joke like the anti-war rallies of 2003-2005.

I am unconvinced. It's still picking up momentum... I predict it will last until flu breaks out in the encampments.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

(Next month. Though if I were the banks, I'd make sure it happened sooner than that.)

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8svbm4WYmU

[Triple Zero]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

But the people that get that, can do their utmost best to confuse matters, right?

And about picking up momentum ... REAL momentum gets picked up in less than 3 days. Otherwise it's just waiting until something happens.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think the best thing the Occupy movement could do is avoid standing behind a clearly stated goal or demand. The reason the press and politicians are so vocal about mocking/decrying them for their lack of a message is that lack is extremely threatening, in that it opens the movement to anyone who's dissatisfied. Which is nearly everyone.

Doesn't matter.  Each subgroup involved in the protest will HAVE to pimp out their own message, at the expense of the actual purpose of the occupy movement.

They can't help themselves.  Fanatics are that way.

But the people that get that, can do their utmost best to confuse matters, right?

And about picking up momentum ... REAL momentum gets picked up in less than 3 days. Otherwise it's just waiting until something happens.

Are you saying that participation in Occupy HASN'T been picking up speed since the inception?  Because yesterday there was some sick number of thousands of people milling around Portland in the name of Occupy.

[Triple Zero]

No no, not at all, sorry.

I just read today is the 21st day of these protests?

How long did that Arab Spring stuff take before shit started changing?

It was more of a badly worded cheering on

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I mean...





It's still growing here.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, OK. It's only been four days for Portland, but it's growing really fast.