What is this? I don't even?

[Telarus]

The Earth IS NOT revolving around the sun (nothing to do with TimeCube).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex283trHBgE


Watch this. I give it a 90% probability of completely shattering some of your preconceived scientific notions. (Or, at least, shattering some of the out-dated models that got shoved down our heads during grade-school indoctrination).

Link on the video leads (eventually) to here, for some background: http://humansarefree.com/2011/03/earth-is-not-revolving-around-sun.html

[EDIT] Dug around that website, and some others which 'debunk' his work. I'm really not interested in that drama. The 3d model of the solar system traveling with angular momentum so that the "orbits" of the planets produce spirals is what I really liked. I also think the idea that spacetime "twists" as it "curves" to be very appealing.

[Don Coyote]

bugger.  i'll have to check this at home.

[Cramulus]

That was really interesting. Definitely just updated my mental model of the solar system.



cool how we're making a big double helix through space

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Telarus, I ended up in the Looneyville section of YouTube because of this.



It's ok though. Logically I knew this, but I had never visualized it before. He starts to get into potentially green ink territory by saying that if the solar system didn't revolve around the galaxy it would be like a skipping record and life would be pretty boring.

....I'm not exactly sure what he meant by that.

[Telarus]

Telarus, I ended up in the Looneyville section of YouTube because of this.



It's ok though. Logically I knew this, but I had never visualized it before. He starts to get into potentially green ink territory by saying that if the solar system didn't revolve around the galaxy it would be like a skipping record and life would be pretty boring.

....I'm not exactly sure what he meant by that.

Me too, spend an hour reading a blog which starts to debunk this guy's math/advanced physics ideas.


I really which these types of people wouldn't fall to the trap in the Law of 5s.. some of these observations are novel and worth followup (without going all "I'm right! I'm revolutionizing physics!").


For example, I used that "double torus" figure (which from above looks like a spinning Yin/Wang) for about an hour as a visualization for some chi/empty hand exercises (based on Sufi spinning, and Chi Gung 'spin' techniques). Made some VERY interesting intuitive observations which have really bubbled up as words or images yet.

[Triple Zero]

BREAKING NEWS: REPARAMETRISATION CHANGES SHAPE OF CURVE

Isn't this just a matter of frame-of-reference?

If the planets rotate relative to the sun, but the sun rotates relative to the galaxy, then of course the paths of the planets with respect to the galaxy won't be circles, but helices.

He lost me at the bit about the torus manifold and the second degree tensor coriolis forces. Kinda weird, how he switched from something very simple people learn in school (they just leave out the bit where the sun rotates in the galaxy, I wouldn't call that "absolutely incorrect"), suddenly to space-time curvature, spatial manifolds and cosmology.

It's a bit too much "woo" for me.

He spends a lot of time explaining something relatively obvious, and people think they "get it", and then he suddenly switches gear and tells them there's a torque in the space-time curvature and this is responsible for all things that spin, or something.

I'm not even sure what that even has to do with the initial explanation about that the orbits of the planets look like helices when you look at them from the point of view of the galaxy centre.

[Bruno]

In his model, the solar system is traveling parallel to the direction of its axis of revolution. Is that even right?

I'm not buying any of this!

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Iirc the suns equator is vertical in comparison to the galactic plane. I remember seeing it conjectured somewhere that this is due to the solar system originating in a smaller galaxy but got pulled into the milky way. How true that is im not sure but uranus does the same thing in relation to the sun so it is possible.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

That is its possible for the sun to do that regardless of its origin.

[rong]

The earth only recently began orbiting the sun.  That is one of the consequences of becoming round.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Wat

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Im guessing youre making a joke about the geocentric model vs heliocentric model. If so it could have had better delivery since im not positive i guessed correctly.

[rong]

You guessed correctly.  I think you could consider it a joke in that I think it is funny, but not in the set-up punchline sense.

I've been entertaining the idea that collectively held beliefs are actually fact.  And that facts change as belief changes. It makes talking to churchies more fun

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Eh. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it it does actually make a sound.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Or as the meme goes here the barstool may be almost entirely empty space but its still going to hurt if i hit you with it.