The painfully inevitable ACA discussion thread

[Nephew Twiddleton]

So any liberal who criticizes a nominally liberal president is a firebagger?

Gotta say a bag full of fire is pretty metal. It would have to be to contain the fire anyway.

I accept this label.

[Cain]

Pretty much, yes.  It's a pissy little named aimed at FireDogLake, where a lot of Obama critical liberals are at.

(never mind actual leftists.  They've gone beyond the pale and cannot even be considered firebaggers.  Instead, they are "purity trolls").

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Purity trolls? Jesus left-libs need to get their shit together....

[Kai]

So,

Does this mean I am required to have health insurance now? I currently do not have any, though I assume I will upon entering grad school in a few months.

If I understand correctly, this is now like the Canadian system, except with insurance companies as an intermediary. Or I don't know.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So,

Does this mean I am required to have health insurance now? I currently do not have any, though I assume I will upon entering grad school in a few months.

If I understand correctly, this is now like the Canadian system, except with insurance companies as an intermediary. Or I don't know.

Nope.  It's the administration slipping the insurance companies some tongue.

You will (in 2014, I believe) be required to purchase health insurance, whether or not you can actually afford it.  IIRC, there is no price control written into the legislation.

[Juana]

If you're correct, we are so fucked. So very fucked.

[Kai]

So,

Does this mean I am required to have health insurance now? I currently do not have any, though I assume I will upon entering grad school in a few months.

If I understand correctly, this is now like the Canadian system, except with insurance companies as an intermediary. Or I don't know.

Nope.  It's the administration slipping the insurance companies some tongue.

You will (in 2014, I believe) be required to purchase health insurance, whether or not you can actually afford it.  IIRC, there is no price control written into the legislation.

My first thought is: Republicans are upset about this, why?

ETA: I've heard from other people that if you can't pay, you can still get health insurance. Is this true?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The gop opposes this because they can paint it as socialism and boogeyman their candidate in.

And people fell for it. Like i noted most of the legislation is agreeable to most of the people taken as separate items.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Also romneys going to repeal it even though he ratified something similar here.

And i remember at the time on another forum out of staters thought this was universal healthcare. Every baystater said it was nowhere near that including myself.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

If you're correct, we are so fucked. So very fucked.

Mode income in the United States:  $19,800/yr
Average health care premiums:  $300/month, $3600 per year.

Remainder of income:  $16,200 or $1,350/month.
Payroll taxes, SSI, etc:  $2400/year.

Total living allowance for rent, food, utilities, etc:  $1150/month.

[Salty]

If you're correct, we are so fucked. So very fucked.

Mode income in the United States:  $19,800/yr
Average health care premiums:  $300/month, $3600 per year.

Remainder of income:  $16,200 or $1,350/month.
Payroll taxes, SSI, etc:  $2400/year.

Total living allowance for rent, food, utilities, etc:  $1150/month.

This is why the little people can't be allowed to do math.
MATH IS THE ENEMY.
Fortunately, to paraphrase Mr. Colbert: Numbers can't hurt you if you don't count them.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Incidentally, those health insurance premiums are assuming that the employer picks up the "standard".

Meaning that for self-employed people, it's more like $1500/month.

[Kai]

I've heard from other people that if you can't pay, you can still get health insurance. Is this true?

[Kai]

If you're correct, we are so fucked. So very fucked.

Mode income in the United States:  $19,800/yr
Average health care premiums:  $300/month, $3600 per year.

Remainder of income:  $16,200 or $1,350/month.
Payroll taxes, SSI, etc:  $2400/year.

Total living allowance for rent, food, utilities, etc:  $1150/month.

On the other hand, insurance companies that will take a lower premium for the same support will make out very well, thus forcing them to compete.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I've heard from other people that if you can't pay, you can still get health insurance. Is this true?

If you can't pay, they "tax" you, and you get health care.  From what I understand.

The skinny:  You pay anyway.