Patriarchy and how it hurts men

[BabylonHoruv]

So in the sex Ed thread Cain posted this.

One of the most interesting areas of feminist thinking, to me, is how patriarchical societies constrain men as well as they do women, and I strongly suspect if there was a greater focus on this, it would get a lot of guys who might otherwise be not so interested in feminism thinking about how such things impact on them personally.

This is something that I think deserves its own thread.  I remember seeing some discussion of it in another thread and every time someone came up with a way that they felt men were constrained by society it was shot down as a myth.  This is absolutely not to deny the existence of male privilege, it is to examine the ways in which our current sexist society keeps men down, to open feminism up so  that it is easier to see that it is not just a movement for women.

One that I have noticed is the divide as far as being the breadwinner versus being the caretaker in a household.  Men are expected to be the breadwinner, women the caretaker, if the woman is the sole wage earner and her husband stays home to take care of the kids and house people view them both as aberrant and not ok.  This is not really an issue for the working class, usually, since both parents generally have to work just to keep the household afloat. 

[The Johnny]

I think rather than framing this within privilege theory ("keeping men down") it is more proper to frame it within gender-role stereotypes ideas.

Because in the context of a patriarchy, women ultimately lose more than men. Men might be excluded from some jobs, but that is just gender-role coming into play and that is by a great margin the least of  harms.

[Salty]

I think rather than framing this within privilege theory ("keeping men down") it is more proper to frame it within gender-role stereotypes ideas.

Because in the context of a patriarchy, women ultimately lose more than men. Men might be excluded from some jobs, but that is just gender-role coming into play and that is by a great margin the least of  harms.

Even MOAR surprising is sometimes Babs here likes to take a popular topic that people wantto talk about because he knows that people are pissed off about his mere existence, let alone him talking about things that are interesting. The surprising part is someone always responds.

[The Johnny]

And here you are, too.

[Salty]

And here you are, too.

Well, that's because I like you, Joh'Nyx, and I wouldn't want you to be all alone.

[The Dark Monk]

I'm always here to keep company as well ^.^

[The Johnny]

And here you are, too.

Well, that's because I like you, Joh'Nyx, and I wouldn't want you to be all alone.

I like you too, and i like being liked 

[Salty]

Aww, this thread has a happy ending after all.

[East Coast Hustle]

Jesus fucking christ, you guys.

Allow me to remind you that by posting ITT, you are essentially consenting to be part of BH's disgusting fantasy life. And it's not like it's a subject that doesn't already have an active and recent thread. Fuck.

[Salty]

Uh, yeah, that was kind of the theme of all posts following the first two.

[East Coast Hustle]

I just noticed that you posted the phrase "happy ending" ITT.

You're a terrible terrible person, Alty.

[The Johnny]

I know hes been a dick to some people, but havent we all?

Why do you guys want to shun him? (other than his fantasies)

I really want to know, because in comparision as far as ive seen Yatto was/is way worse and doesnt get that much shit.

[Salty]

I just noticed that you posted the phrase "happy ending" ITT.

You're a terrible terrible person, Alty.

[East Coast Hustle]

I know hes been a dick to some people, but havent we all?

Why do you guys want to shun him? (other than his fantasies)

I really want to know, because in comparision as far as ive seen Yatto was/is way worse and doesnt get that much shit.

He's openly admitted that he gets his kicks from receiving negative attention, including (and seemingly especially) at PD. AFAIC, his murderporn fantasies are reason enough (sure, he's entitled to them as long as he doesn't act on them but it doesn't mean I have to treat him like a real human being) but the fact that he's using posters at PD to facilitate some sort of kink is pretty squicky. Squicky enough that I struggle with the issue of whether or not it would justify banning him on the grounds that he's exploiting posters here for his own sexual gratification without their consent. I mean, that's REALLY fucked up. And it's not like he adds anything valuable to the dialogue.

[Salty]

He also, in an effort to defend his stupid fucking friend, and lash out, accused Freeky of making excuses for pedophiles, among a litany of unbearable qualities others could mention. I admit I am somewhat biased because Freeky is a really good friend.