Tennessee getting ready to throw poor students under the bus.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Why "cishet" instead of "hetcis"? Sounds like implying "Cis-shit" and on a pure phonetical level it IS.

I've always preferred "White middle class person with a penis"  But I know that's a bit long if you're really full of hate.  When said in a properly scornful tone of voice though it's devastating.

At least "breeder" goes more straight into the point; "cis" is also kinda snobbish.

Breeder just means heterosexual though.  That's what my godmothers used to call straights.  That and Het (which can be said with a lot of hate, and I blame some of my sexual confusion in college on hearing it said that way)

No, I know a lot of heterosexual people who chose not to reproduce who have used "breeder" as a derogatory term.

[Pergamos]

Why "cishet" instead of "hetcis"? Sounds like implying "Cis-shit" and on a pure phonetical level it IS.

I've always preferred "White middle class person with a penis"  But I know that's a bit long if you're really full of hate.  When said in a properly scornful tone of voice though it's devastating.

At least "breeder" goes more straight into the point; "cis" is also kinda snobbish.

Breeder just means heterosexual though.  That's what my godmothers used to call straights.  That and Het (which can be said with a lot of hate, and I blame some of my sexual confusion in college on hearing it said that way)

No, I know a lot of heterosexual people who chose not to reproduce who have used "breeder" as a derogatory term.

Alright, the way it was used by my (Lesbian) godmothers when I was growing up it meant the same thing as Het. 

[The Johnny]

Why "cishet" instead of "hetcis"? Sounds like implying "Cis-shit" and on a pure phonetical level it IS.

I've always preferred "White middle class person with a penis"  But I know that's a bit long if you're really full of hate.  When said in a properly scornful tone of voice though it's devastating.

At least "breeder" goes more straight into the point; "cis" is also kinda snobbish.

Breeder just means heterosexual though.  That's what my godmothers used to call straights.  That and Het (which can be said with a lot of hate, and I blame some of my sexual confusion in college on hearing it said that way)

No, I know a lot of heterosexual people who chose not to reproduce who have used "breeder" as a derogatory term.

Its like calling a female a "boob" for acting awkwardly or something to that effect... its basicly a reductionism of the person to a single quality or part of their body.

Im not a "breeder" because, id like you to know, "breeding" is not my main occupation. (Not "you" you Nigel, i mean in the, what's it called, colloquial sense?)

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Why "cishet" instead of "hetcis"? Sounds like implying "Cis-shit" and on a pure phonetical level it IS.

I've always preferred "White middle class person with a penis"  But I know that's a bit long if you're really full of hate.  When said in a properly scornful tone of voice though it's devastating.

At least "breeder" goes more straight into the point; "cis" is also kinda snobbish.

Breeder just means heterosexual though.  That's what my godmothers used to call straights.  That and Het (which can be said with a lot of hate, and I blame some of my sexual confusion in college on hearing it said that way)

No, I know a lot of heterosexual people who chose not to reproduce who have used "breeder" as a derogatory term.

Its like calling a female a "boob" for acting awkwardly or something to that effect... its basicly a reductionism of the person to a single quality or part of their body.

Im not a "breeder" because, id like you to know, "breeding" is not my main occupation. (Not "you" you Nigel, i mean in the, what's it called, colloquial sense?)

haha, yes, I get that you meant in the collective sense of everyone who was reading. And, "Breeder" is essentially a derogatory label because it reduces everyone who reproduces to the function of reproducing.

[Bruno]

I have no idea what's going on. 

[AFK]

I don't know either, other than every time I read "CIS", I hear Roger Daltry screaming in my head. 

[Cain]

I think it is fairly horrible for that guy to say that the only horrible part of racism is for the more powerful group to hate the less powerful group. Apparently he is not familiar with the Hutus and the Tutsis, and how that horror can reverse to become just as terrifyingly destructive and terrible in the other direction, or even with the basic concept of how destructive hate is within a society. As a nonwhite person I have NEVER been taught that it is acceptable to hate white people just because they have more power and some of them hate me for no reason other than that I am not white. That kind of hate is absolutely as repugnant as whites hating coloreds.

Hey now, it's not his fault none of his professors didn't include this book in the syllabus.  He cant be, like, expected to know stuff on his own or anything.  That's what University is for - to tell you what is right, not to develop an interest and critical approach to research and theories.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

ALRIGHT HEREEEE WE GOOO:

   Straight people are fucking awful. I hate straight men. Straight people ruin EVERYTHING. Did I offend you when i just said that thing that I just said?

   When we were kids I think we were all very specifically told "You can't say things like <<I hate black people>> because its wrong to judge people by the colour of their skin, its wrong to say <<I hate someone of a specific race>>"

   Really what they meant to teach us was "Perpetuating racism towards all these marginalized races in a world made for white people is wrong". The impression that so many of us, if not most of us got is "Saying you hate white people is just as bad as saying you hate black people" And I think that has translated into our ideas of queerness as well. Saying "I hate straight people" is not like saying "I hate gay people". If you think it is, you don't understand your privilege.

   When I was at college, I was at Pride, and one of my teachers, one of my professors, who was trans and gay, we were talking about one of my classmates who was worried that her classmates would find out she was gay, if she spoke about her teacher's homophobia, and my teacher reassured me "Straight people are pretty clueless" And that was like, for me it was like "Woah, I've never heard a grown-up respectable person say anything like that before" And you know, it was kind of empowering to be able to say that "Yeah, straight people are kind of clueless" Often saying "heterophobic" things is empowering for me, I'm sorry. No, wait, I'm not sorry, actually.

   When I'm offended by people saying shit about queer people that's because I've spent a lifetime in fear of homophobia. Literally, a lifetime being scared. My people, queer people, trans* people, we're being killed by straight people, ya know? So when you talk shit about us, you are perpetuating a cultural hatred and animosity towards us.

   When I say "I hate straight people" I'm venting, because I'm tired of being scared of straight people all the time. And you know what? I don't really want to have to worry about your feelings while I'm upset. I have every reason to be upset, and I feel that my empowerment outweighs your offense. The fact that you find my hyperbole so offensive, tells me that you don't understand your privilege.

   Let's seriously think of the consequences of me and my friends complaining about how fucking annoying straight people can be. Do straight people commit suicide because of it? No. Do they get murdered because of it? No. Are they discriminated against in the workplace because of it? No. There aren't actually any problems that come of it. We're a small minority, we're not gonna overpower straight people.

   Does it mean I'm less likely to befriend a straight person? Maybe, yeah, but that has less to do with me saying that i find straight people annoying, and more to do with straight people being annoying. I prefer hanging out with people like me, it makes me feel safe. And i need to feel safe. And if you are offended, you don't understand what that's like, because you are validated in everything, everyday, because you're straight.

   The same goes for white people "I have so much privilege walking down the street being white". I'm not gonna tell anyone of colour that they can't talk about how fucking annoying white people can be. Don't give me any of this colour-blind bullshit, don't tell me that you don't see gay people or bisexual people or straight people, you just see people. You get to say that because you don't have to worry about it. Therefore I take away your right to say that. It erases the experiences of marginalized people.

   Maybe you think I'm too angry, but actually I think you are not angry enough. One really extreme example of, I guess "cisphobia", is trans* people saying "die cis scum". Now imagine a massive population of people, who are killing this tiny population of people, and then when the tiny population says "We fucking hate you" then the big population, who are killing the tiny population say "You don't get to say that!" What!? There is no trend of trans* violence towards cis people, there is no trend of queer violence towards straight people, that is not how the world works. Let us have our queer space, let us feel empowered. Or don't, because we'll fucking do it anyway.

And if you are a "cis-shit" just like me, you should read the comment's section so you know you aren't the only person angered (for different reasons perhaps, nevertheless).

All I can say is...LOOK AT THAT FUCKING HIPSTER!   

Seriously, the thing written out with the image of the guy who said it in my head is just ADORABLE!

He's THAT GUY.  The guy who wrecked Occupy, the guy who will destroy anything resembling progress, if it scores him points within his perceived tribe.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think it is fairly horrible for that guy to say that the only horrible part of racism is for the more powerful group to hate the less powerful group. Apparently he is not familiar with the Hutus and the Tutsis, and how that horror can reverse to become just as terrifyingly destructive and terrible in the other direction, or even with the basic concept of how destructive hate is within a society. As a nonwhite person I have NEVER been taught that it is acceptable to hate white people just because they have more power and some of them hate me for no reason other than that I am not white. That kind of hate is absolutely as repugnant as whites hating coloreds.

Martin Luther King Jr. is a hero for a very good reason, as is Nelson Mandela, who came out of prison with a very good reason to hate white people but never took it up, never espoused it. Neither of them were perfect men, but they had beliefs which changed a lot of people's lives, and those beliefs eschewed hatred, rather than embracing it.

Or Mohhamed Ali, who expressed their anger, but in a positive way.  "You're not going to shit on me and mine, anymore."

Or Malcolm X, who kept the anger and lost the hate.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Another thing.  I had watched the quoted part...

   Straight people are fucking awful. I hate straight men. Straight people ruin EVERYTHING. Did I offend you when i just said that thing that I just said?

   When we were kids I think we were all very specifically told "You can't say things like <<I hate black people>> because its wrong to judge people by the colour of their skin, its wrong to say <<I hate someone of a specific race>>"

   Really what they meant to teach us was "Perpetuating racism towards all these marginalized races in a world made for white people is wrong". The impression that so many of us, if not most of us got is "Saying you hate white people is just as bad as saying you hate black people" And I think that has translated into our ideas of queerness as well. Saying "I hate straight people" is not like saying "I hate gay people". If you think it is, you don't understand your privilege.

...Then I closed the tab, as the guy had stopped communicating at that point.  He wasn't aiming a message at anyone other than his echo chamber buddies, apparently, because that last sentence was DESIGNED to get people to shut down.  Not to get them angry - the first sentence handled the requirement for shock as a means to get peoples' attention - but to shut down the message, except to people who already agree with him.

There are two possible reasons for this:

1.  He's lousy at communicating, or (more likely),

2.  He's spouting for the purpose of establishing cred inside his group.

What this video is missing, to make it perfect, is that he isn't wearing a little Brad Pitt hat.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Another thing.  I had watched the quoted part...

   Straight people are fucking awful. I hate straight men. Straight people ruin EVERYTHING. Did I offend you when i just said that thing that I just said?

   When we were kids I think we were all very specifically told "You can't say things like <<I hate black people>> because its wrong to judge people by the colour of their skin, its wrong to say <<I hate someone of a specific race>>"

   Really what they meant to teach us was "Perpetuating racism towards all these marginalized races in a world made for white people is wrong". The impression that so many of us, if not most of us got is "Saying you hate white people is just as bad as saying you hate black people" And I think that has translated into our ideas of queerness as well. Saying "I hate straight people" is not like saying "I hate gay people". If you think it is, you don't understand your privilege.

...Then I closed the tab, as the guy had stopped communicating at that point.  He wasn't aiming a message at anyone other than his echo chamber buddies, apparently, because that last sentence was DESIGNED to get people to shut down.  Not to get them angry - the first sentence handled the requirement for shock as a means to get peoples' attention - but to shut down the message, except to people who already agree with him.

There are two possible reasons for this:

1.  He's lousy at communicating, or (more likely),

2.  He's spouting for the purpose of establishing cred inside his group.

What this video is missing, to make it perfect, is that he isn't wearing a little Brad Pitt hat.

That's kind of uncanny: that is also the exact moment where I stopped hearing what he was saying. Pretty sure you've nailed it with anti-communication.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Another thing.  I had watched the quoted part...

   Straight people are fucking awful. I hate straight men. Straight people ruin EVERYTHING. Did I offend you when i just said that thing that I just said?

   When we were kids I think we were all very specifically told "You can't say things like <<I hate black people>> because its wrong to judge people by the colour of their skin, its wrong to say <<I hate someone of a specific race>>"

   Really what they meant to teach us was "Perpetuating racism towards all these marginalized races in a world made for white people is wrong". The impression that so many of us, if not most of us got is "Saying you hate white people is just as bad as saying you hate black people" And I think that has translated into our ideas of queerness as well. Saying "I hate straight people" is not like saying "I hate gay people". If you think it is, you don't understand your privilege.

...Then I closed the tab, as the guy had stopped communicating at that point.  He wasn't aiming a message at anyone other than his echo chamber buddies, apparently, because that last sentence was DESIGNED to get people to shut down.  Not to get them angry - the first sentence handled the requirement for shock as a means to get peoples' attention - but to shut down the message, except to people who already agree with him.

There are two possible reasons for this:

1.  He's lousy at communicating, or (more likely),

2.  He's spouting for the purpose of establishing cred inside his group.

What this video is missing, to make it perfect, is that he isn't wearing a little Brad Pitt hat.

That's kind of uncanny: that is also the exact moment where I stopped hearing what he was saying. Pretty sure you've nailed it with anti-communication.

Between that and this Mike Ravani guy, it sort of gelled in my head.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Hey everyone, remember how the Civil Right movement got its traction by alienating white males as loudly and obnoxiously as possible, then high-fiving and giggling amongst themselves?

No? You don't remember that? Then you need to check your privilege. Specifically, your privileged knowledge of history.

[navkat]

As much as there are bigots and fools, there are many, many members of the gay community who see us as allies. Case in point: I belong to a GLTB EMS activism community who, right from the start, opened its doors to us "breeders" (intended benignly) in the EMS community and who has posted several updates in thanks for their straight supporters.

We're all playing for the same team here. Does it really matter who's batting and who's pitching?

And tell your daughter, Rog: we ain't leavin her side. She's not alone.

[Salty]

Hey everyone, remember how the Civil Right movement got its traction by alienating white males as loudly and obnoxiously as possible, then high-fiving and giggling amongst themselves?

No? You don't remember that? Then you need to check your privilege. Specifically, your privileged knowledge of history.