I love Miley Cyrus

[P3nT4gR4m]

How was what she did shocking?  I mean, to anyone who isn't a senior citizen and is actually in MTV's viewing demographics?  It looked garrish and awkward and awful, but "shocking" was never an adjective that came to mind. 

Examine every story in every news source, the week following the VMA's. Also every social media comment on every social media platform. It should become obvious that some people were shocked.

[AFK]

They seem to be all over the place honestly.  One that focused on the actual song she was performing (which apparently had a drug reference that was censored), one about Cyndi Lauper thinking she is encouraging date rape performing to the "Blurred Lines" song....


to this one which I found very interesting and hadn't thought of at all, but after reading it I can kinda see where the author is coming from:


http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/miley_cyrus_vma_performance_white_appropriation_of_black_bodies.html
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[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I've already covered my reasoning and analysis in this thread and the other one, and linking to articles and Facebook posts written by outraged guys isn't really going to prove anything since you can make your own observations on that. So as far as I'm concerned I'm done with this discussion. You disagree, apparently, about whether Miley Cyrus is deliberately making people uncomfortable as part of her act.

OK.

[Cain]

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[The Good Reverend Roger]

I've already covered my reasoning and analysis in this thread and the other one, and linking to articles and Facebook posts written by outraged guys isn't really going to prove anything since you can make your own observations on that. So as far as I'm concerned I'm done with this discussion. You disagree, apparently, about whether Miley Cyrus is deliberately making people uncomfortable as part of her act.

OK.

Things have to be hammered into their proper places.  We can't allow people to run around all unregulated, you know, and we certainly can't admit that they might have the wrong shape for their assigned slot.

[LMNO]

Something to note:  Functionally, it doesn't matter if Miley thought all this through as a way to subvert the paradigm by role-reversal and peeling the mask back on the tawdry exploitation of the media machine.

She did it anyway.  Which kind of makes it more glorious, in a way. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Something to note:  Functionally, it doesn't matter if Miley thought all this through as a way to subvert the paradigm by role-reversal and peeling the mask back on the tawdry exploitation of the media machine.

She did it anyway.  Which kind of makes it more glorious, in a way.

The issue here is "denial that it ever happened at all".  So we can from this point forward discount the idea of using fractured or incomplete memes as a means of influencing reactions.

Everything is safe again.

[AFK]

I've already covered my reasoning and analysis in this thread and the other one, and linking to articles and Facebook posts written by outraged guys isn't really going to prove anything since you can make your own observations on that. So as far as I'm concerned I'm done with this discussion. You disagree, apparently, about whether Miley Cyrus is deliberately making people uncomfortable as part of her act.

OK.

I agree she was intentionally trying to get eyeballs and to have people talk about her the next day (with respect to the VMAs).  But that is par for the course if you look at the history of the VMAs.


And certainly the video is the same idea.  Get eyeballs and get people to notice you. 


But so far I haven't seen anything in anyone's analysis that suggests what she is doing is this big mindfuck or pop-culture troll, any moreso than the Madonnas', Spears', and Gagas' that came before her.  I'm not getting why she is being elevated ITT.  I mean, I'm not knocking that,  You guys really like her, that's cool.  Just not seeing this deeper layer y'all seem to see.  Seems like typical tactics to get eyeballs and move units.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I've already covered my reasoning and analysis in this thread and the other one, and linking to articles and Facebook posts written by outraged guys isn't really going to prove anything since you can make your own observations on that. So as far as I'm concerned I'm done with this discussion. You disagree, apparently, about whether Miley Cyrus is deliberately making people uncomfortable as part of her act.

OK.

I agree she was intentionally trying to get eyeballs and to have people talk about her the next day (with respect to the VMAs).  But that is par for the course if you look at the history of the VMAs.


And certainly the video is the same idea.  Get eyeballs and get people to notice you. 


But so far I haven't seen anything in anyone's analysis that suggests what she is doing is this big mindfuck or pop-culture troll, any moreso than the Madonnas', Spears', and Gagas' that came before her.  I'm not getting why she is being elevated ITT.  I mean, I'm not knocking that,  You guys really like her, that's cool.  Just not seeing this deeper layer y'all seem to see.  Seems like typical tactics to get eyeballs and move units.

Thread and accompanying idea are now ruined for the people interested in it.

You've achieved your objective.  You can move on to the next target now.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I do approve of the idea of bland repetition of the same statement over and over again while disregarding any other point of view, as a means to effectively kill a conversation that others may be enjoying.  I think I shall use it myself.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/pop_star

Ugh.

I hate how condescending it is. I hate the "she's just a product" mentality that gets applied to female pop stars, while male ones are assumed to have creative control and responsibility for their work.

All, pop stars are products.  Everyone knows the "boy bands" were completely contrived and packaged.


Fuck, it applies to rock bands too.  Black Sabbath only got all spooky and gloomy when they figured out it would sell records.  Before that they were just a hippy, blues band.  Same with Judas Priest. 


I dunno, what if it's spot on though?  Miley Cyrus has been a packaged product for most of her career.  This would be pretty much par for the course in that regard.  Not because she's a girl, because she's pop.  That's what record companies do with pop, to make it pop-ular.

She has a long term inside perspective on the product machine. And I'm pretty sure she's lampooning the fuck out of it.
Wouldn't you? How could you NOT?

[AFK]

So we're only allowed to be in this thread if we completely agree?


Okay.


I'll leave then. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So we're only allowed to be in this thread if we completely agree?


Okay.


I'll leave then.

YES, THAT'S TOTALLY WHAT I SAID.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

You are a fucking retard.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Well, I made an effort, I wont bother any more if I'm just a cultural snob when I try.

Well, it's like this:  Nigel brought up several points.  Those points were ignored.  This is not entirely unexpected, on account of 2 things:

1.  Nigel brought them up, and

2.  She unreasonably expected people to stop sneering for 10 seconds and examine what she had to say, and maybe even for 3 minutes 14 seconds to examine the video in question.  What Nigel, of course, doesn't even CONSIDER is that if we stop sneering at "pop culture" even for that long, EVEN in the interests of examining what MIGHT MAYBE POSSIBLY be the biggest MIND FUCK since p-funk shuffled off stage left, why, we'll lose our seniority down at the local Coffee & Wine Bar, and they'll take our Brad Pitt hats away.  We might even lose our tallbike licenses.  She's totally fucking unreasonable.  She FAILS to REALIZE that this sort of shit is REFLEXIVE, and we have about as much control over it as we do over our MIGHTY PENISES.  Mine, for example, is 3 feet long and beats up the neighbor once a week.  Anyway.

...All hyperbole aside, there is something hilarious going on here, and I'd expect just a LITTLE BIT MORE than CASUAL, SNEERING DISMISSAL from a board full of Discordians.  That's MY Discordia, though, and results may - as always - vary. 

The really interesting thing here is that everyone IMMEDIATELY has to scream THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, for the same reason many people - myself included - AUTOMATICALLY dismiss any good news as "bait for suckers".  It's a SUBSTITUTE FOR THINKING.  It's the uniform jacket so tight around our necks that we all involuntarily SHIT OURSELVES, and then congratulate ourselves on our scatalogical OUTLANDISHNESS.

Wait.  Scratch all that.  Nigel is the cancer that is killing PD, and Miley Cyrus is the same old shit microwaved to room temperature and dished out in pre-sized portions, and anyone who says anything different is just being contrary.

BURP.

This, this and so much THIS.

And yes, pop icons have attempted "edgy" ever since David Cassidy posed naked in Rolling Stone. Shit, maybe since the Monkees "Head". Maybe before.

But they never went THERE. Cassidy was still "cute". The Monkees were still "zany".

Miley just flat out DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This, this and so much THIS.

And yes, pop icons have attempted "edgy" ever since David Cassidy posed naked in Rolling Stone. Shit, maybe since the Monkees "Head". Maybe before.

But they never went THERE. Cassidy was still "cute". The Monkees were still "zany".

Miley just flat out DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK.

Miley is also a female, of course.  We can't have females gaming the system.  This is why RWHN is so adamant about the idea that "she's done nothing new".  Because she's a she.

That's all there really is to it.