Objectivists Asking For $

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

[hooplala]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

I guess it's easy to think that way if you're rich.   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

I guess it's easy to think that way if you're rich.   

Yeah, I think it's easy to get into a mode of being so insulated from the difficult choices people make day to day when they're trying to survive that you simply lose all connection to that perspective.

When I was a kid, I really liked Penn & Teller. Honestly, at this point I have no idea whether it's that Penn has changed, or whether I have.

[hooplala]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

I guess it's easy to think that way if you're rich.   

Yeah, I think it's easy to get into a mode of being so insulated from the difficult choices people make day to day when they're trying to survive that you simply lose all connection to that perspective.

When I was a kid, I really liked Penn & Teller. Honestly, at this point I have no idea whether it's that Penn has changed, or whether I have.

I think they talk more about their beliefs than they used to.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

I guess it's easy to think that way if you're rich.   

Yeah, I think it's easy to get into a mode of being so insulated from the difficult choices people make day to day when they're trying to survive that you simply lose all connection to that perspective.

When I was a kid, I really liked Penn & Teller. Honestly, at this point I have no idea whether it's that Penn has changed, or whether I have.

I think they talk more about their beliefs than they used to.

One of the things that drives me batty is that for all of his vaunted intellectual superiority, Penn seems unwilling to delve any deeper into analyzing or challenging his own beliefs. It's like he came up with a set of arguments and a rationale at some point maybe 30 years back, and it has ossified into a codified set of arguments which he can simply parrot at people when they ask him to talk about it.

[hooplala]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

I guess it's easy to think that way if you're rich.   

Yeah, I think it's easy to get into a mode of being so insulated from the difficult choices people make day to day when they're trying to survive that you simply lose all connection to that perspective.

When I was a kid, I really liked Penn & Teller. Honestly, at this point I have no idea whether it's that Penn has changed, or whether I have.

I think they talk more about their beliefs than they used to.

One of the things that drives me batty is that for all of his vaunted intellectual superiority, Penn seems unwilling to delve any deeper into analyzing or challenging his own beliefs. It's like he came up with a set of arguments and a rationale at some point maybe 30 years back, and it has ossified into a codified set of arguments which he can simply parrot at people when they ask him to talk about it.

It seems to be a key feature of people who self identify as "skeptics", which is amusing.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

I guess it's easy to think that way if you're rich.   

Yeah, I think it's easy to get into a mode of being so insulated from the difficult choices people make day to day when they're trying to survive that you simply lose all connection to that perspective.

When I was a kid, I really liked Penn & Teller. Honestly, at this point I have no idea whether it's that Penn has changed, or whether I have.

I think they talk more about their beliefs than they used to.

One of the things that drives me batty is that for all of his vaunted intellectual superiority, Penn seems unwilling to delve any deeper into analyzing or challenging his own beliefs. It's like he came up with a set of arguments and a rationale at some point maybe 30 years back, and it has ossified into a codified set of arguments which he can simply parrot at people when they ask him to talk about it.

It seems to be a key feature of people who self identify as "skeptics", which is amusing.

Isn't it though?? I actually felt like I had beaten a level when I realized that.

[Telarus]

Basically, he says a bunch of things that sound reasonable on the face of it, but if you take them apart and really examine them critically, they're awful.

I guess it's easy to think that way if you're rich.   

Yeah, I think it's easy to get into a mode of being so insulated from the difficult choices people make day to day when they're trying to survive that you simply lose all connection to that perspective.

When I was a kid, I really liked Penn & Teller. Honestly, at this point I have no idea whether it's that Penn has changed, or whether I have.

I think they talk more about their beliefs than they used to.

One of the things that drives me batty is that for all of his vaunted intellectual superiority, Penn seems unwilling to delve any deeper into analyzing or challenging his own beliefs. It's like he came up with a set of arguments and a rationale at some point maybe 30 years back, and it has ossified into a codified set of arguments which he can simply parrot at people when they ask him to talk about it.

It seems to be a key feature of people who self identify as "skeptics", which is amusing.

Yah, that accurately describes the feeling I get from his later stuff.

[Bu🤠ns]

I think Penn is more attached to the term Objectivist than to following what Rand taught as "Objectivism".....I picked that up watching the Bullsh!t series.

To riff of this point, from some interviews (maybe it was just one interview) he talked about the philosophy and the impression that I got was more about his liking the ideas and playing with them but not necessarily getting wrapped up in it.  He seems to take the same approach to his libratarian views as well. 

In short, he seems more about being intelligent first and mainlining an ideology second.  I think the interview is on YT and i'd look for it but i'm about to go to the store...and--being the night before turkey day--who knows when i'll get back.

The impression I get is that it's mostly about him being smarter and therefore better than everyone else, and also about making fun of the stupid unwashed masses.

That's just his schtick afaik...I honestly don't remember him being all that different, tbh.  I don't take him seriously and so I haven't really arsed to investigate further.  I've read both of his books.  They're autobiographical and rather enjoyable.

Maybe, for me, "pompous asshole" is easy to digest and wouldn't discount his validity based on a personality quirk.  Some of my friends have been pompous assholes and I love them all the same :P

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think Penn is more attached to the term Objectivist than to following what Rand taught as "Objectivism".....I picked that up watching the Bullsh!t series.

To riff of this point, from some interviews (maybe it was just one interview) he talked about the philosophy and the impression that I got was more about his liking the ideas and playing with them but not necessarily getting wrapped up in it.  He seems to take the same approach to his libratarian views as well. 

In short, he seems more about being intelligent first and mainlining an ideology second.  I think the interview is on YT and i'd look for it but i'm about to go to the store...and--being the night before turkey day--who knows when i'll get back.

The impression I get is that it's mostly about him being smarter and therefore better than everyone else, and also about making fun of the stupid unwashed masses.

That's just his schtick afaik...I honestly don't remember him being all that different, tbh.  I don't take him seriously and so I haven't really arsed to investigate further.  I've read both of his books.  They're autobiographical and rather enjoyable.

Maybe, for me, "pompous asshole" is easy to digest and wouldn't discount his validity based on a personality quirk.  Some of my friends have been pompous assholes and I love them all the same :P

I find him unlikable because of his personality, whether it's real or not. But that doesn't matter because I don't have to spend time with him. What matters more to me is that his ideology is dreck.

[Ben Shapiro]

I did not know about her denying the science about smoking.

Seems pretty legit.
Also Ayn Rand requires me to not fuck my wife in public. So now she can eat a bag of dicks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0CyunRUJmc

[hooplala]

I did not know about her denying the science about smoking.

Seems pretty legit.
Also Ayn Rand requires me to not fuck my wife in public. So now she can eat a bag of dicks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0CyunRUJmc

Where did Ayn say you couldn't fuck your wife in public?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I find him unlikable because of his personality, whether it's real or not. But that doesn't matter because I don't have to spend time with him. What matters more to me is that his ideology is dreck.

Ideology is always dreck.  Keep your ethics and principles in line, you don't NEED someone else's...Which, after all, is what an ideology IS; someone ELSE'S beliefs.

The entire 20th century was nothing but a gigantic demonstration of how loveable and fun it is to have everyone in any given nation listening to the loudest asshat in that nation.

[Ben Shapiro]

I did not know about her denying the science about smoking.

Seems pretty legit.
Also Ayn Rand requires me to not fuck my wife in public. So now she can eat a bag of dicks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0CyunRUJmc

Where did Ayn say you couldn't fuck your wife in public?

Whenever she forces me to rethink me having a good time.