My art is tehpwn!

[Gimoz]

Are you calling me an oxygen moron??

[BADGE OF HONOR]

No, I'm calling you an ox-like moron.  It's like oaf, but longer.

[LMNO]

It appears we were having a vocabulary mismatch.
My usage was:
goth = highschooler that dresses in all black, wears too much makeup, writes bad poetry, mopes, and hangs around in Hot Topic.
emo = same metal thing and behavior, but dresses "normally".

I've never known any "real" goths, only posers.

Where you livin', boy?

Y'all needs to git yerself culturzized.

I totally agree with your observation of young goth culture, my point is that goths came first, is all.

Oh, and "Goth Poser" is actually redundant, in that all goths begin and end as posers, it's just that somewhere in the middle, they usually get wrapped up in "the scene".

LMNO
-A poser at the post-goth end of the scale.

[the other anonymous]

THERE IS NO MUSIC BUT PJ HARVEY!! ALL YOUR GENRE ARE BELONG TO US!!!

Seriously: grunge kicks emo's, goth's, and punk's asses!

LONG LIVE KURT CO--- oh shit. Nevermind...

[edit: The only real goths are the ones that commited suicide. I knew this girl -- she's in Europe now -- but her father was an alcoholic fireman so she got shit and the cop's were friends with her dad. I could tell when and how often he got drunk just by noticing when she showed up with bandages on her wrists and a new revelation from her god. (Seriously: she was all messiah-complex and stuff.)]

[LMNO]

Did you just say that PJ Harvey is Grunge?

::smacks TOA with the John Parish discography::

WAYSA?

[the other anonymous]

Did you just say that PJ Harvey is Grunge?

::smacks TOA with the John Parish discography::

WAYSA?

JOHN PARRISH IS YOKO ONO!!!

Dry, ROM, 4TD all rocked (Legs, Snake, M-Bike, Yuri-G, etc). TBYML was good. DHALP, ITD, SFTCSFTS are all garbage except for Joy on ITD.

And "Uh Huh, Her", with its bitter "Fucks", definitely sounds like she broke up with someone. And guess who isn't listed as writer/producer in the liner notes?

WAYSA, LMNO?

[edit: Yea, I know I misspelled his name. Fuck him. Who the fuck does he think he is? Get the fuck out of her head.]

[LMNO]

Yeah, but "grunge"?


LMNO
-Thinks you missed the point of my smackage.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

TOA misses all sorts of stuff, its one of the drawbacks of being borderline retarded.

On an unrelated note: GOD FUCKING DAMNIT I HATE RINGTONES!

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

Now that I think about it... That's totally related..

Maybe full-blown retarded though.....

[ataraxia]

It appears we were having a vocabulary mismatch.
My usage was:
goth = highschooler that dresses in all black, wears too much makeup, writes bad poetry, mopes, and hangs around in Hot Topic.
emo = same metal thing and behavior, but dresses "normally".

I've never known any "real" goths, only posers.

Where you livin', boy?

Y'all needs to git yerself culturzized.

I totally agree with your observation of young goth culture, my point is that goths came first, is all.

Oh, and "Goth Poser" is actually redundant, in that all goths begin and end as posers, it's just that somewhere in the middle, they usually get wrapped up in "the scene".

LMNO
-A poser at the post-goth end of the scale.

Hey, I've been too busy going to work and thinking deep thoughts for the past 8 years or so. I have never been part of anything that could reasonably be called a "scene".

And if you want to talk music, then I must confess that the closest I come to Goth stuff is some recent metal and a fine old album from like '83 (Cocteau Twins, Treasure).

[BADGE OF HONOR]

And if you want to talk music, then I must confess that the closest I come to Goth stuff is some recent metal and a fine old album from like '83 (Cocteau Twins, Treasure).

That's the year I was born.

[ataraxia]

And if you want to talk music, then I must confess that the closest I come to Goth stuff is some recent metal and a fine old album from like '83 (Cocteau Twins, Treasure).

That's the year I was born.

You are teh youngster!!!11!!1

Yeah, well, I didn't discover that music until 3 years ago or such myself.

[The Doctor]

I thought emo was for kids who wanted to look goth but had no clue what being goth meant.

::shakes head:: Silly humans....

[the other anonymous]

Yeah, but "grunge"?

LMNO
-Thinks you missed the point of my smackage.

I think I have a more inclusive definition of grunge. I use it to mean "alternative music that doesn't suck" even though I understand the geneology of dada->punk->grunge where grunge is merely anti-FameRock (hair bands, et al).

I was introduced to PJH around the same time I discovered Nirvana (after Kurt died). For a while 4TD was the only disc I had. Therefore, in my mind, she's lumped in with grunge (though she's mostly GlamRock thanks to John Passhole). The only thing that really seperates 4TD from grunge is that the reverb and feedback is replaced with a metronome. (And PJ can sing. Man, the things she can do with her throat... )

[LMNO]

You don't want to get me or ECH started on the whole "grunge" thing (covered in another thread).

But if you want your personal definition of "grunge" to be "commercialized 'alternative' music as set apart from Color me Badd and Guns & Roses", then i won't begrudge you that.