The ending blew me away. Well done.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Enki-][ on February 18, 2009, 05:54:46 PMQuote from: Cainad on February 18, 2009, 05:52:36 PMQuote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 18, 2009, 05:47:08 PM
Why is it green? It should be purple. Obviously everyone's concept of LEGOs has them being purple, not green. Come on!
Also, LEGO implies that you're going to spend ten minutes at a time digging through the box for that one piece you saw a billion times but can't find now that you actually need it.
WHY DOES YOUR METAPHOR NOT ACCOUNT FOR THIS?
You mean that you have the entirety of the Principia booklet and the BIP booklet memorized?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 18, 2009, 05:47:08 PM
Why is it green? It should be purple. Obviously everyone's concept of LEGOs has them being purple, not green. Come on!
Quote from: Dead Kennedy on February 18, 2009, 01:05:52 PM
So the Alt. BIP (that's yours, as it is chronologically later in development) is fighting it out with the RAW BIP in my head. And the thing I keep noticing is that the use of a prison as a metaphor makes great sense in RAW BIP model, and very little in the Alt. BIP.
Quote from: Dead Kennedy on February 18, 2009, 06:13:10 AM
I'll bet money you can't find one. That meets my definition of nobody.
Quote from: Dead Kennedy on February 18, 2009, 04:16:09 AMQuote from: LMNO on February 18, 2009, 02:47:52 AMOk, how many people have misunderstood Plato's Cave because they "know about caves" rather than reading the text?
Nobody, but Plato's Cave doesn't challenge one's assumptions about caves. It uses those assumptions to strengthen its own argument. That's one of the reasons its such a famous metaphor. It's very powerful.
Quote from: Dead Kennedy on February 17, 2009, 08:59:12 PMQuote from: Cainad on February 17, 2009, 08:42:52 PM
Alright, I don't really care to read the last few pages, because I have a bone to pick.
The Black Iron Prison does NOT have Cartesian Dualism built into it. The mind and body are not separated into Prisoner (mind) and Prison Cell (body), because a huge component of the prison cell is the mind itself. I would personally go so far as to say that the mental component of the prison cell is the one many of us are most interested in.
You're so not actually listening to what I'm saying.
I know that the concept of the Alt. Black Iron Prison (the territory) is not Cartesian in nature. The problem is that the metaphor of a prison and the metaphor of a prison cell both imply a prisoner, and thus introduce Cartesianism.
The Cartesianism isn't in the territory, it's in the map of the territory.
QuoteThe mind and body are not separated into Prisoner (mind) and Prison Cell (body), because a huge component of the prison cell is the mind itself.
Quote from: Dead Kennedy on February 17, 2009, 08:59:12 PMQuoteFurthermore, it is very strongly implied that our personalities and interactions with the world around us depend heavily on how we are able to perceive the world though the bars. So it is pretty clear that the mind (soul, self, ego, whatever the fuck) is intrinsically connected to the physical body (which also forms part of the Cell), not a separate entity.
And the metaphor implies the exact opposite.
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