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Title: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Faust on April 03, 2012, 08:16:51 am
http://gizmodo.com/5898585/itll-soon-be-illegal-to-troll-in-arizona


The wording on this is so vague it could be applied to anything based on electronic communication. How does one enforce and prove that the crime was committed?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 03, 2012, 08:24:17 am
Tha FUCK???
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Cain on April 03, 2012, 08:25:37 am
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How does one enforce and prove that the crime was committed?

They'll use the time-tested Arizonian method of checking if the suspect is Latino or not.

On the bright side, this means every pinealist who comes to PD.com will also be breaking the law, since the annoyance only has to occur in Arizona, not the source of the annoyance.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 03, 2012, 08:30:14 am
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How does one enforce and prove that the crime was committed?

They'll use the time-tested Arizonian method of checking if the suspect is Latino or not.

On the bright side, this means every pinealist who comes to PD.com will also be breaking the law, since the annoyance only has to occur in Arizona, not the source of the annoyance.

So it's a potentially GOOD thing.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 03, 2012, 04:32:59 pm
Can we please declare war on Arizona already?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 03, 2012, 04:54:53 pm
 :lulz: Arizona is AMAZING.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: navkat on April 03, 2012, 07:49:23 pm
http://rt.com/usa/news/arizona-butthurt-form-internet-158/

(http://htmlimg4.scribdassets.com/9dcm5xqreo5xnf4/images/1-01ece685d9.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Luna on April 03, 2012, 09:54:41 pm
So...  The next time you are offended by... say... a militant pro-life webpage, call the cops?

Freepers calling for the killing of (fill in the blank)...

This, until it goes to court and gets kicked in the teeth, has some potential to raise havoc...
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 03, 2012, 10:48:58 pm
So...  The next time you are offended by... say... a militant pro-life webpage, call the cops?

Freepers calling for the killing of (fill in the blank)...

This, until it goes to court and gets kicked in the teeth, has some potential to raise havoc...

Every day, I get spam from the Arizona Teabaggers.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 03, 2012, 10:49:19 pm
If I lived in Arizona I would abuse the shit out of it by filing complaints against every anti-gay, racist, or anti-abortion website on the internet.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 03, 2012, 10:49:56 pm
If I lived in Arizona I would abuse the shit out of it by filing complaints against every anti-gay, racist, or anti-abortion website on the internet.

Each and every spam letter I get is going to get reported.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 03, 2012, 10:49:58 pm
So...  The next time you are offended by... say... a militant pro-life webpage, call the cops?

Freepers calling for the killing of (fill in the blank)...

This, until it goes to court and gets kicked in the teeth, has some potential to raise havoc...

Every day, I get spam from the Arizona Teabaggers.

Annoying! Call the police!  :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 03, 2012, 10:50:22 pm
If I lived in Arizona I would abuse the shit out of it by filing complaints against every anti-gay, racist, or anti-abortion website on the internet.

Each and every spam letter I get is going to get reported.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 04, 2012, 02:55:41 am
It's like internet jujitsu...  :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on April 04, 2012, 09:26:38 pm
So if you are convicted under this law, you are legally a troll now?
that seems like it would actually be an attractive prospect to many, just for shitsngiggles...
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2012, 09:28:41 pm
So if you are convicted under this law, you are legally a troll now?
that seems like it would actually be an attractive prospect to many, just for shitsngiggles...

Except that this is Arizona, and being caught up in the legal system here outweighs any possible lulz.

Bear in mind that this is ME saying this. 
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on April 04, 2012, 10:10:24 pm
All this is going to do is send trolls to prison where they shack up with other trolls and learn to troll better. Little Timmy gets locked away a few years for linking his teacher to goatse, he comes out a member of HIMEOBS with "Troll Life" tattooed across his chest.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 04, 2012, 11:01:19 pm
All this is going to do is send trolls to prison where they shack up with other trolls and learn to troll better. Little Timmy gets locked away a few years for linking his teacher to goatse, he comes out a member of HIMEOBS with "Troll Life" tattooed across his chest.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on April 05, 2012, 02:58:18 am
 :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2012, 03:48:12 am
So if you are convicted under this law, you are legally a troll now?
that seems like it would actually be an attractive prospect to many, just for shitsngiggles...

Can troll be a race under Arizona state law?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on April 05, 2012, 02:25:25 pm
So if you are convicted under this law, you are legally a troll now?
that seems like it would actually be an attractive prospect to many, just for shitsngiggles...

Can troll be a race under Arizona state law?

I think trolls are legally black.
and pregnant.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Cain on April 05, 2012, 02:27:38 pm
This law is only going to be enforced against social out-groups anyway.  You can bet some odious little shit writing about the need to shoot all illegal immigrants and their families and friends on this site of the border, will get away scott-free, while, say, someone sending mocking emails to the Governor will be strung up by their heels.

Not that they really need another law for that, but, you know... Too much is better than not enough, and all that.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on April 05, 2012, 02:35:20 pm
certainly.
some laws are birthed into this world with a glowing banner atop them pronouncing them to be meted out unevenly.
they don't have to specifically say who they are intended to target.
of course, the target can change over time...
gun control laws were first introduced to be used only against the newly freed slaves after the war.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 05, 2012, 09:04:47 pm
So if you are convicted under this law, you are legally a troll now?
that seems like it would actually be an attractive prospect to many, just for shitsngiggles...

Can troll be a race under Arizona state law?

I think trolls are legally black.
and pregnant.

:spittake:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: navkat on April 06, 2012, 08:04:39 pm
Trolls = terroriss.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Cain on April 06, 2012, 08:31:03 pm
TCC did once try and get people to report me to the DoJ for cyber-terrorism.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 06, 2012, 09:00:44 pm
TCC did once try and get people to report me to the DoJ for cyber-terrorism.

:hitlerbanjo:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 07, 2012, 10:57:11 pm
So if you are convicted under this law, you are legally a troll now?
that seems like it would actually be an attractive prospect to many, just for shitsngiggles...

Can troll be a race under Arizona state law?

I think trolls are legally black.
and pregnant.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 03:05:36 pm
TCC did once try and get people to report me to the DoJ for cyber-terrorism.

Everyone on TCC should be thrown into Mexican jails wearing nothing but a thong and a messy lipstick job.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Cain on April 23, 2012, 03:09:21 pm
Going by pictures of some of them, that may have already happened to them, 20 years ago or so.

It would certainly explain a lot about Mikey.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 03:42:09 pm
This law is only going to be enforced against social out-groups anyway.  You can bet some odious little shit writing about the need to shoot all illegal immigrants and their families and friends on this site of the border, will get away scott-free, while, say, someone sending mocking emails to the Governor will be strung up by their heels.

Not that they really need another law for that, but, you know... Too much is better than not enough, and all that.

I can always take advantage of the fact that I'm from NY and email a few nice pics to arizona's governor. Not a whole lot they can do about it either. Sure, the states have extradition treaties amongst themselves, but it would be too expensive for something that amounts to a misdemeanor prank. And the NY AG will certainly point that out.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 04:40:28 pm
This law is only going to be enforced against social out-groups anyway.  You can bet some odious little shit writing about the need to shoot all illegal immigrants and their families and friends on this site of the border, will get away scott-free, while, say, someone sending mocking emails to the Governor will be strung up by their heels.

Not that they really need another law for that, but, you know... Too much is better than not enough, and all that.

I can always take advantage of the fact that I'm from NY and email a few nice pics to arizona's governor. Not a whole lot they can do about it either. Sure, the states have extradition treaties amongst themselves, but it would be too expensive for something that amounts to a misdemeanor prank. And the NY AG will certainly point that out.

SORRY, INODE., WRONG CENTURY.  ENJOY YOUR DETAINMENT.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 04:46:05 pm
Inode do you like camping and baloney sandwiches? At camp arpeio you can do both!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 04:47:14 pm
Inode do you like camping and baloney sandwiches? At camp arpeio you can do both!

Also, pink underwear.

:hammer:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 05:01:04 pm
One of pickles glaring flaws is that he approves of arpaios methods. But hes also under the mistaken impression that if you didnt do anything you wont go to jail.

Personally i think the man is a cunt from the middle ages that somehow built a time machine and became sheriff.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 05:26:18 pm
One of pickles glaring flaws is that he approves of arpaios methods. But hes also under the mistaken impression that if you didnt do anything you wont go to jail.

I admire your work with the profoundly retarded, Twid.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 05:28:10 pm
Sherrif Joe is a two-bit fly that doesn't matter. Sure he can *try* to extradite, but that does not mean *succeed*. When my state can make it cost more than Joe's entire county has in it...
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 05:29:03 pm
Sherrif Joe is a two-bit fly that doesn't matter. Sure he can *try* to extradite, but that does not mean *sucdceed*. When the AG can make it cost more than Joe's entire county has in it...

Knock yourself out, Inode.

Don't anyone tell you any different.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 05:37:06 pm
Hey dok are you going to visit your new neighbor from new york when he moves into his new home?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 05:37:44 pm
https://encrypted.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=sherriff+joe+feds&oq=sherriff+joe+feds&aq=f&aqi=g-lv2&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=hp.3..0i13i15l2.1397.5210.0.6961.17.15.0.0.0.0.795.5741.0j1j5j3j3j2j1.15.0.juVwcltjpmw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7a41a2e416329452

The man is *eventually* going to get taken down a few notches... (yes, I have dealt directly with Feds  :aaa: they tend to do  :aaa: :horrormirth: to you...)
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 05:39:42 pm
Hey dok are you going to visit your new neighbor from new york when he moves into his new home?

Naw.  It's fucking miserable up in Phoenix. 

Thing is, there's three types of people in the world.

1.  People who will listen when you explain that the rule of law demonstratably no longer really exists.

2.  People who won't listen.  There's no point getting upset, because they've already made up their mind.  Grab some popcorn and sit back.

3.  People who are smart enough to proxy like a mad bastard, get the desired effect, without stamping their name all over it in some weird bid for recognition.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 05:43:35 pm
The man is *eventually* going to get taken down a few notches... (yes, I have dealt directly with Feds  :aaa: they tend to do  :aaa: :horrormirth: to you...)

People have been saying that Sheriff Joe is going down for something like 15 years now.  He's still squatting on his haunches up in Tempe, though...And if he says "jump", our governor asks "how high" on the way up.

So while he may be some awful holdover from the deep South of the 1930s, he's also one of the most powerful people in the Southwest. 

And he's not a fed.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 05:47:21 pm
Twid, we have ourselves a live one, here.  :whack:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 05:49:48 pm
:lulz: hes a noob i take it- when did he show up? I missed it.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 05:56:41 pm
The man is *eventually* going to get taken down a few notches... (yes, I have dealt directly with Feds  :aaa: they tend to do  :aaa: :horrormirth: to you...)

People have been saying that Sheriff Joe is going down for something like 15 years now.  He's still squatting on his haunches up in Tempe, though...And if he says "jump", our governor asks "how high" on the way up.

So while he may be some awful holdover from the deep South of the 1930s, he's also one of the most powerful people in the Southwest. 

And he's not a fed.  Just saying.

That's interesting, about the governor... it should be the other way round. However what I am saying is that the Fed trumps states rights ever since 1865, and if Joe becomes enough of a PITA then they will explain a few things to him. Yes, I *know* hes not a fed.

BTW I live within 5 miles of the northern border of the US. How come we don't have those probs up here?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:01:17 pm
That's interesting, about the governor... it should be the other way round.

"Arizona."

BTW I live within 5 miles of the northern border of the US. How come we don't have those probs up here?

You're too close to the communists.  That's why you don't think like a real American™.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 06:16:23 pm
That's interesting, about the governor... it should be the other way round.

"Arizona."

BTW I live within 5 miles of the northern border of the US. How come we don't have those probs up here?

You're too close to the communists.  That's why you don't think like a real American™.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Ya kn ow, thats one of the *only* things I like about NY - we actually have some civil liberties up here. Not much, but still better than some other places...
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:17:22 pm
Don't try to change me, I am as God made me.

:hammer:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 23, 2012, 06:19:35 pm
Oh, inode.  Your sweet, innocent ignorance is so adorable.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:21:38 pm
Oh, inode.  Your sweet, innocent ignorance is so adorable.

That's ONE word for it.  We don't need some bleeding heart do-gooder "defending" us or protecting us from people who speak the truth about Canadians.  You pussy ass bastards who get all in a hissy fit but are too wimpy to admit YOU are offended by something are always pretending to be trying to HELP people by telling others what they ought to be saying, when in fact all you want to do is order people around, but you just LIE about it.  I come right out and just order people around without acting like I am some kind of defender of the weak and protector of the tiny, unlike you LYING FASCIST BASTARDS.

Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 23, 2012, 06:23:58 pm
And that, in a nutshell, is why Arpaio is going to die the of old age as the sheriff of Maricopa county.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 06:26:02 pm
Oh, inode.  Your sweet, innocent ignorance is so adorable.

That's ONE word for it.  We don't need some bleeding heart do-gooder "defending" us or protecting us from people who speak the truth about Canadians.  You pussy ass bastards who get all in a hissy fit but are too wimpy to admit YOU are offended by something are always pretending to be trying to HELP people by telling others what they ought to be saying, when in fact all you want to do is order people around, but you just LIE about it.  I come right out and just order people around without acting like I am some kind of defender of the weak and protector of the tiny, unlike you LYING FASCIST BASTARDS.

Not sure what you guys are on about but I have yet to see a Nork design a proper parking lot. (I'm USian in case anybody wondered...) My area gets over-run with canadians doing the shopping on weekends. Timbits and all.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:26:28 pm
And that, in a nutshell, is why Arpaio is going to die the of old age as the sheriff of Maricopa county.

And if you can't understand this New America™, if you can't get your fucking mind around it, then the Walt Disney Nazis will drag you into one of those tunnels under the park and beat the Goofy out of you, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 06:27:27 pm
The need to get a hold of those cheap chinese goods huh?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 23, 2012, 06:27:51 pm
And that, in a nutshell, is why Arpaio is going to die the of old age as the sheriff of Maricopa county.

And if you can't understand this New America™, if you can't get your fucking mind around it, then the Walt Disney Nazis will drag you into one of those tunnels under the park and beat the Goofy out of you, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

They are the New American Heroes(TM).
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:28:13 pm
Not sure what you guys are on about but I have yet to see a Nork design a proper parking lot. (I'm USian in case anybody wondered...) My area gets over-run with canadians doing the shopping on weekends. Timbits and all.

See, this is why we need more brutal & effective border control.  Just grab one out of every ten of those Andy Gibb haircut-wearing jackasses and give them the Nogales Treatment.  The rest will fall in line soon enough.

Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 23, 2012, 06:30:35 pm
Not sure what you guys are on about but I have yet to see a Nork design a proper parking lot. (I'm USian in case anybody wondered...) My area gets over-run with canadians doing the shopping on weekends. Timbits and all.

See, this is why we need more brutal & effective border control.  Just grab one out of every ten of those Andy Gibb haircut-wearing jackasses and give them the Nogales Treatment.  The rest will fall in line soon enough.

Governor Arpaio 2012!  President Arpaio 2020!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:31:35 pm
Not sure what you guys are on about but I have yet to see a Nork design a proper parking lot. (I'm USian in case anybody wondered...) My area gets over-run with canadians doing the shopping on weekends. Timbits and all.

See, this is why we need more brutal & effective border control.  Just grab one out of every ten of those Andy Gibb haircut-wearing jackasses and give them the Nogales Treatment.  The rest will fall in line soon enough.

Governor Arpaio 2012!  President Arpaio 2020!

WOO WOO!

Then everyone can play "hide the cattle prod"!

:banana:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 23, 2012, 06:37:22 pm
Not sure what you guys are on about but I have yet to see a Nork design a proper parking lot. (I'm USian in case anybody wondered...) My area gets over-run with canadians doing the shopping on weekends. Timbits and all.

See, this is why we need more brutal & effective border control.  Just grab one out of every ten of those Andy Gibb haircut-wearing jackasses and give them the Nogales Treatment.  The rest will fall in line soon enough.

Governor Arpaio 2012!  President Arpaio 2020!

WOO WOO!

Then everyone can play "hide the cattle prod"!

:banana:

THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST GAME OF HIDE THE CATTLE PROD EVAR!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 06:41:14 pm
Ahahahahahaha... GOTCHA   :lulz: but yeah that guy is fucken medieval. Plan to wait a while so we can evolve as a species a bit more. That or just wipe ourselves out.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:42:29 pm
Ahahahahahaha... GOTCHA   :lulz: but yeah that guy is fucken medieval. Plan to wait a while so we can evolve as a species a bit more. That or just wipe ourselves out.

Optimist.

It's entirely possible that this state of affairs could go on indefinitely.  In fact, looking around, we appear to be marching backwards.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 23, 2012, 06:44:03 pm
Ahahahahahaha... GOTCHA   :lulz: but yeah that guy is fucken medieval. Plan to wait a while so we can evolve as a species a bit more. That or just wipe ourselves out.

Optimist.

It's entirely possible that this state of affairs could go on indefinitely.  In fact, looking around, we appear to be marching backwards.

Yep.  More violent, more ignorant, more racist/mysoginist/otherwise bigoted and insular.  Definitely going backwards.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:46:06 pm
Ahahahahahaha... GOTCHA   :lulz: but yeah that guy is fucken medieval. Plan to wait a while so we can evolve as a species a bit more. That or just wipe ourselves out.

Optimist.

It's entirely possible that this state of affairs could go on indefinitely.  In fact, looking around, we appear to be marching backwards.

Yep.  More violent, more ignorant, more racist/mysoginist/otherwise bigoted and insular.  Definitely going backwards.

And some torture here, some "extraordinary rendition" there, add in a touch of militant evangelism, and there's the 21st century, splattered all over your face.

Lester Maddox bukkake!

 :hit:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:46:56 pm
And Inode, I spent 7 years in upstate New York.  You have just as many po'buckers as we do.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 23, 2012, 06:47:22 pm
Ahahahahahaha... GOTCHA   :lulz: but yeah that guy is fucken medieval. Plan to wait a while so we can evolve as a species a bit more. That or just wipe ourselves out.

Optimist.

It's entirely possible that this state of affairs could go on indefinitely.  In fact, looking around, we appear to be marching backwards.

Yep.  More violent, more ignorant, more racist/mysoginist/otherwise bigoted and insular.  Definitely going backwards.

And some torture here, some "extraordinary rendition" there, add in a touch of militant evangelism, and there's the 21st century, splattered all over your face.

Lester Maddox bukkake!

 :hit:

AMERICA IS #1!  FUCK YEAH!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 23, 2012, 08:09:56 pm
Ahahahahahaha... GOTCHA   :lulz: but yeah that guy is fucken medieval. Plan to wait a while so we can evolve as a species a bit more. That or just wipe ourselves out.

Optimist.

It's entirely possible that this state of affairs could go on indefinitely.  In fact, looking around, we appear to be marching backwards.

Oh shit yer right.... scuse my gotta go check my pance...
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: navkat on April 24, 2012, 03:36:14 am
That's interesting, about the governor... it should be the other way round.

"Arizona."

BTW I live within 5 miles of the northern border of the US. How come we don't have those probs up here?

You're too close to the communists.  That's why you don't think like a real American™.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Ya kn ow, thats one of the *only* things I like about NY - we actually have some civil liberties up here. Not much, but still better than some other places...

Are you for serious? Like seriously for serious? You know I'm from NY, right? And don't give me that shit about things being different with the Downstate "City Lib'ruls," a state statute is a state statute and just because you're balls-deep in a pleasant hybrid of Amherst modified Deer-hunting permits and Elmwood Avenue Artwalks, doesn't mean they won't slap the Beef on Weck out of your face and strip search you on your way to the gulag in a hot minute.

Also; Canada is to the WEST, silly!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 24, 2012, 03:59:49 am
That's interesting, about the governor... it should be the other way round.

"Arizona."

BTW I live within 5 miles of the northern border of the US. How come we don't have those probs up here?

You're too close to the communists.  That's why you don't think like a real American™.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Ya kn ow, thats one of the *only* things I like about NY - we actually have some civil liberties up here. Not much, but still better than some other places...

Are you for serious? Like seriously for serious? You know I'm from NY, right? And don't give me that shit about things being different with the Downstate "City Lib'ruls," a state statute is a state statute and just because you're balls-deep in a pleasant hybrid of Amherst modified Deer-hunting permits and Elmwood Avenue Artwalks, doesn't mean they won't slap the Beef on Weck out of your face and strip search you on your way to the gulag in a hot minute.

Also; Canada is to the WEST, silly!

For some reason I'm far more worried about the Troopers on the I90 than I am about some overblown sherrif in a completely different state. (but yes the system will try to do all sorts of things)
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: navkat on April 24, 2012, 04:18:30 am
What I'm saying is, unless you're one of their own (moneied, connections) or in the RARE circumstance where the ACLU takes your case, you're going. If they trace it back to you, a government body anywhere has only to utter the following magic words: "Wanted for questioning in connection with possible threats of terrorism" and you will find yourself in 118-degree weather in a glorified port-o-let. Period. In case you haven't noticed, concepts like "rule of law" "unconstitutional" and "contradicts an existing protective statute" are reeeeeally fuzzy these days.

Don't believe me? Try crossing the border a few dozen times with goods purchased from Canada. Make sure you follow all the laws and bring a copy of them with you to show the border agents when they INSIST you must pay duty on your new lingerie because they're considered sex toys and there's a restriction on them.

It doesn't actually matter what your rights are or what the law is. All that matters is what orders got handed down to the guys with the guns that particular day. You can show them a copy of the constitution but if their P.O.D. says "Knock on Inode's door. Extradite to AZ," guess where you're going?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 24, 2012, 05:12:30 am
What I'm saying is, unless you're one of their own (moneied, connections) or in the RARE circumstance where the ACLU takes your case, you're going. If they trace it back to you, a government body anywhere has only to utter the following magic words: "Wanted for questioning in connection with possible threats of terrorism" and you will find yourself in 118-degree weather in a glorified port-o-let. Period. In case you haven't noticed, concepts like "rule of law" "unconstitutional" and "contradicts an existing protective statute" are reeeeeally fuzzy these days.

Don't believe me? Try crossing the border a few dozen times with goods purchased from Canada. Make sure you follow all the laws and bring a copy of them with you to show the border agents when they INSIST you must pay duty on your new lingerie because they're considered sex toys and there's a restriction on them.

It doesn't actually matter what your rights are or what the law is. All that matters is what orders got handed down to the guys with the guns that particular day. You can show them a copy of the constitution but if their P.O.D. says "Knock on Inode's door. Extradite to AZ," guess where you're going?

well, I disagree (based on experience). Yes I know you can be locked up at the border for most anything, but I also know its not likely. Nor is it likely to remain that way.

1 - a few minor connections (no money tho)
2 - as a matter of fact, yes, a few lawyers and/or referrals
3 - new IP addys anytime I want... I could be coming from a router in Botswana tomorrow, ya know...
4 - crossing the border is routine and boring especially with the enhanced ID's.
5 - in fact yes the rule of law does matter or else we wouldn't have a civilization with which to discuss things. Notice that doesn't mean its perfect - I could still be massively inconvenienced for a while.

I'm well aware that we live in what amounts to a totalitarian state. I also know they're not dumb enough to overtly push it. Meantime, anything I can do to repeal the so-called Patriot Act, along with a few so-called "trade agreements".
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: navkat on April 24, 2012, 05:29:59 am
What I'm saying is, unless you're one of their own (moneied, connections) or in the RARE circumstance where the ACLU takes your case, you're going. If they trace it back to you, a government body anywhere has only to utter the following magic words: "Wanted for questioning in connection with possible threats of terrorism" and you will find yourself in 118-degree weather in a glorified port-o-let. Period. In case you haven't noticed, concepts like "rule of law" "unconstitutional" and "contradicts an existing protective statute" are reeeeeally fuzzy these days.

Don't believe me? Try crossing the border a few dozen times with goods purchased from Canada. Make sure you follow all the laws and bring a copy of them with you to show the border agents when they INSIST you must pay duty on your new lingerie because they're considered sex toys and there's a restriction on them.

It doesn't actually matter what your rights are or what the law is. All that matters is what orders got handed down to the guys with the guns that particular day. You can show them a copy of the constitution but if their P.O.D. says "Knock on Inode's door. Extradite to AZ," guess where you're going?

well, I disagree (based on experience). Yes I know you can be locked up at the border for most anything, but I also know its not likely. Nor is it likely to remain that way.

1 - a few minor connections (no money tho) <---most people can not has.
2 - as a matter of fact, yes, a few lawyers and/or referrals <---many people can not has.
3 - new IP addys anytime I want... I could be coming from a router in Botswana tomorrow, ya know...  <---What Rog said.
4 - crossing the border is routine and boring especially with the enhanced ID's. <---making my point. Where are these enhanced liberties you speak of? YOU GOT PAPERS?
5 - in fact yes the rule of law does matter or else we wouldn't have a civilization with which to discuss things. Notice that doesn't mean its perfect - I could still be massively inconvenienced for a while.
<---ever hear the words "prohibitively expensive?" Or "Effectively banned?"
I'm well aware that we live in what amounts to a totalitarian state. I also know they're not dumb enough to overtly push it. Meantime, anything I can do to repeal the so-called Patriot Act, along with a few so-called "trade agreements".

All in all, I would subscribe to your newsletter...hell, I subscribe to the CATO Institute's and you are delightfully optimistic...just like I was. This place will beat that out of you and duct-tape your hands to the grips of the Right Motorcycle in no time. Start with the BIP and snowball your way down the crap-hill from there.

And welcome aboard, shipmate!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 24, 2012, 02:07:55 pm
5 - in fact yes the rule of law does matter or else we wouldn't have a civilization with which to discuss things.

This is blatantly false.  It is possible to have a civilization based on the rule of expedience, rather than the rule of law.  In fact, most of human history was run that way.

And I've been around the block a time or two, myself.  If you don't have a good lawyer, they'll do whatever the fuck they want with you.  If you DO have a good lawyer, he might be able to add a little sanity to the situation.

But in the end, all they have to do is call you a "person of interest", as they did with that Anderson guy back in 2005, and you'll be bloody lucky to see daylight again.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 24, 2012, 02:08:50 pm
I'm well aware that we live in what amounts to a totalitarian state. I also know they're not dumb enough to overtly push it.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Cain on April 24, 2012, 02:11:35 pm
Yeah, "totalitarian" is pushing it just a tiny little bit.

Are you living in a semi-authoritarian, paramilitarized state where rule of law is inconsistently and selectively applied and surveillance is endemic?  Sure.

On the other hand, you are still living.  And not in a concentration camp.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 24, 2012, 02:16:22 pm
Yeah, "totalitarian" is pushing it just a tiny little bit.

Are you living in a semi-authoritarian, paramilitarized state where rule of law is inconsistently and selectively applied and surveillance is endemic?  Sure.

On the other hand, you are still living.  And not in a concentration camp.

Unless you're this guy:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting

There's the fucking rule of law for ya!  HAR!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 25, 2012, 06:36:18 pm
Yeah, "totalitarian" is pushing it just a tiny little bit.

Are you living in a semi-authoritarian, paramilitarized state where rule of law is inconsistently and selectively applied and surveillance is endemic?  Sure.

On the other hand, you are still living.  And not in a concentration camp.

Thank you for making my POINT. as in, ppl need to calm down a bit
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: BabylonHoruv on April 25, 2012, 08:49:06 pm
Yeah, "totalitarian" is pushing it just a tiny little bit.

Are you living in a semi-authoritarian, paramilitarized state where rule of law is inconsistently and selectively applied and surveillance is endemic?  Sure.

On the other hand, you are still living.  And not in a concentration camp.

Thank you for making my POINT. as in, ppl need to calm down a bit

No, we really don't.  We need to get worked up to the point where we are actually doing something about it.  Some hyperbole is better than apathy.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2012, 05:09:25 pm
Yeah, "totalitarian" is pushing it just a tiny little bit.

Are you living in a semi-authoritarian, paramilitarized state where rule of law is inconsistently and selectively applied and surveillance is endemic?  Sure.

On the other hand, you are still living.  And not in a concentration camp.

Thank you for making my POINT. as in, ppl need to calm down a bit

Youa are correct.  Everything is fine.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: inode_buddha on April 26, 2012, 05:46:22 pm
Yeah, "totalitarian" is pushing it just a tiny little bit.

Are you living in a semi-authoritarian, paramilitarized state where rule of law is inconsistently and selectively applied and surveillance is endemic?  Sure.

On the other hand, you are still living.  And not in a concentration camp.

Thank you for making my POINT. as in, ppl need to calm down a bit

Youa are correct.  Everything is fine.

I like your black-and-white world. Everything is so simple! I can shut my radiator off!
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2012, 05:48:56 pm
Yeah, "totalitarian" is pushing it just a tiny little bit.

Are you living in a semi-authoritarian, paramilitarized state where rule of law is inconsistently and selectively applied and surveillance is endemic?  Sure.

On the other hand, you are still living.  And not in a concentration camp.

Thank you for making my POINT. as in, ppl need to calm down a bit

Youa are correct.  Everything is fine.

I like your black-and-white world. Everything is so simple! I can shut my radiator off!

I like your rose-colored glasses.  Everyone stop worrying and go back to watching American Idol!

Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2012, 05:51:16 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Don Coyote on April 26, 2012, 08:01:28 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
as lng as i get unlimited data so i can watch nascar on my new iphone
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2012, 08:03:12 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
as lng as i get unlimited data so i can watch nascar on my new iphone

NOW we're talking.

UNLIMITED DATA.

UNLIMITED NASCAR, because DALE ERNHARDT NEVER DIED.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 26, 2012, 08:33:29 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
as lng as i get unlimited data so i can watch nascar on my new iphone

NOW we're talking.

UNLIMITED DATA.

UNLIMITED NASCAR, because DALE ERNHARDT NEVER DIED.

Canonized. http://www.sharynmccrumb.com/st_dale.html
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Don Coyote on April 26, 2012, 08:35:39 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
as lng as i get unlimited data so i can watch nascar on my new iphone

NOW we're talking.

UNLIMITED DATA.

UNLIMITED NASCAR, because DALE ERNHARDT NEVER DIED.

Canonized. http://www.sharynmccrumb.com/st_dale.html

St Diana???? :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 26, 2012, 08:43:41 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
as lng as i get unlimited data so i can watch nascar on my new iphone

NOW we're talking.

UNLIMITED DATA.

UNLIMITED NASCAR, because DALE ERNHARDT NEVER DIED.

Canonized. http://www.sharynmccrumb.com/st_dale.html

Why would you tell me this exists?

Why would someone make something like this exist??   :cry:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 26, 2012, 08:44:40 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
as lng as i get unlimited data so i can watch nascar on my new iphone

NOW we're talking.

UNLIMITED DATA.

UNLIMITED NASCAR, because DALE ERNHARDT NEVER DIED.

Canonized. http://www.sharynmccrumb.com/st_dale.html

St Diana???? :horrormirth:

*cue Elton John changing the lyics to "Goodbye Norma Jean"*
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 26, 2012, 08:45:44 pm
But maybe you're right.

We could have limited, restricted freedom, right?
as lng as i get unlimited data so i can watch nascar on my new iphone

NOW we're talking.

UNLIMITED DATA.

UNLIMITED NASCAR, because DALE ERNHARDT NEVER DIED.

Canonized. http://www.sharynmccrumb.com/st_dale.html

Why would you tell me this exists?

Why would someone make something like this exist??   :cry:

HORRIBLE TRUTH.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Triple Zero on April 27, 2012, 12:45:17 am
Canonized. http://www.sharynmccrumb.com/st_dale.html

Why would you tell me this exists?

Why would someone make something like this exist??   :cry:

What actually surprises me about this is the complete lack of Christian metaphors and Jesus references. She even mentions Celtic somethingorother.

This'll never fly in Schools in the South, will it?
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 27, 2012, 12:46:46 am
Canonized. http://www.sharynmccrumb.com/st_dale.html

Why would you tell me this exists?

Why would someone make something like this exist??   :cry:

What actually surprises me about this is the complete lack of Christian metaphors and Jesus references. She even mentions Celtic somethingorother.

This'll never fly in Schools in the South, will it?

You keep seeing jokes about Nascar, but it's actually not that much of a hyperbole.  Particularly when it comes to Dale Sr.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Triple Zero on April 27, 2012, 12:50:38 am
Oh, I suppose, indeed. Would it be similar to a type of "soccer god" guy we got over here (including the famous quotes that I found are pretty much exactly like your Yogi Berra) ? Or worse?

Anyway, I just figured some fundie would conclude there's not enough jebus in that book and thus try to ban or burn it.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Freeky on April 27, 2012, 12:58:50 am
Oh, I suppose, indeed. Would it be similar to a type of "soccer god" guy we got over here (including the famous quotes that I found are pretty much exactly like your Yogi Berra) ? Or worse?

Anyway, I just figured some fundie would conclude there's not enough jebus in that book and thus try to ban or burn it.

Nope.  Dude was from the south, and he was religious I think, so you're pretty safe with Dale.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: navkat on April 27, 2012, 02:24:16 am
Jesus fucking hell. You wanna see some Alabamians cry? Start talking about coach "Bear" Bryant. Or just wear a houndstooth fedora on a patriotic holiday and place it over your heart during the National Anthem before the fireworks display.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: trippinprincezz13 on April 27, 2012, 06:44:56 pm
Our trip to Vegas last month coincided with the big Nascar thing they apparently also had going on. Just swarms of them everywhere. Our first night there we left one of the casinos only to see thousands of Nascar fans lining the streets cheering as the trucks carrying the cars parade through blasting their horns. The worst part of it was seeing the fountain show at the Bellagio. Instead of Sinatra, or hell even Metallica or almost anything else, EVERY time we walked by for one of the shows the song was some variety of "Amurrica! Fuck Yea!" except it was more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCFq5sPxNo  than it was a funny song from Team America.  :sad: :sad: :sad:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 29, 2012, 09:56:49 am
Our trip to Vegas last month coincided with the big Nascar thing they apparently also had going on. Just swarms of them everywhere. Our first night there we left one of the casinos only to see thousands of Nascar fans lining the streets cheering as the trucks carrying the cars parade through blasting their horns. The worst part of it was seeing the fountain show at the Bellagio. Instead of Sinatra, or hell even Metallica or almost anything else, EVERY time we walked by for one of the shows the song was some variety of "Amurrica! Fuck Yea!" except it was more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCFq5sPxNo  than it was a funny song from Team America.  :sad: :sad: :sad:

Vegas: Was always kind of fucked up but probably died with the Rat Pack.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 30, 2012, 01:52:52 pm
Our trip to Vegas last month coincided with the big Nascar thing they apparently also had going on. Just swarms of them everywhere. Our first night there we left one of the casinos only to see thousands of Nascar fans lining the streets cheering as the trucks carrying the cars parade through blasting their horns. The worst part of it was seeing the fountain show at the Bellagio. Instead of Sinatra, or hell even Metallica or almost anything else, EVERY time we walked by for one of the shows the song was some variety of "Amurrica! Fuck Yea!" except it was more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCFq5sPxNo  than it was a funny song from Team America.  :sad: :sad: :sad:

Vegas: Was always kind of fucked up but probably died with the Rat Pack.

Vegas exists as long as Tom Jones lives.  Fact.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on April 30, 2012, 05:13:42 pm
Our trip to Vegas last month coincided with the big Nascar thing they apparently also had going on. Just swarms of them everywhere. Our first night there we left one of the casinos only to see thousands of Nascar fans lining the streets cheering as the trucks carrying the cars parade through blasting their horns. The worst part of it was seeing the fountain show at the Bellagio. Instead of Sinatra, or hell even Metallica or almost anything else, EVERY time we walked by for one of the shows the song was some variety of "Amurrica! Fuck Yea!" except it was more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCFq5sPxNo  than it was a funny song from Team America.  :sad: :sad: :sad:

Vegas: Was always kind of fucked up but probably died with the Rat Pack.

Vegas exists as long as Tom Jones lives.  Fact.

I wonder if they throw granny panties at him.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 30, 2012, 05:45:50 pm
Our trip to Vegas last month coincided with the big Nascar thing they apparently also had going on. Just swarms of them everywhere. Our first night there we left one of the casinos only to see thousands of Nascar fans lining the streets cheering as the trucks carrying the cars parade through blasting their horns. The worst part of it was seeing the fountain show at the Bellagio. Instead of Sinatra, or hell even Metallica or almost anything else, EVERY time we walked by for one of the shows the song was some variety of "Amurrica! Fuck Yea!" except it was more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCFq5sPxNo  than it was a funny song from Team America.  :sad: :sad: :sad:

Vegas: Was always kind of fucked up but probably died with the Rat Pack.

Vegas exists as long as Tom Jones lives.  Fact.

I wonder if they throw granny panties at him.  :lulz:

Yes, actually.
Title: Re: Hey roger, are they changing the law because of you?
Post by: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on May 02, 2012, 03:57:34 am
Our trip to Vegas last month coincided with the big Nascar thing they apparently also had going on. Just swarms of them everywhere. Our first night there we left one of the casinos only to see thousands of Nascar fans lining the streets cheering as the trucks carrying the cars parade through blasting their horns. The worst part of it was seeing the fountain show at the Bellagio. Instead of Sinatra, or hell even Metallica or almost anything else, EVERY time we walked by for one of the shows the song was some variety of "Amurrica! Fuck Yea!" except it was more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCFq5sPxNo  than it was a funny song from Team America.  :sad: :sad: :sad:

Vegas: Was always kind of fucked up but probably died with the Rat Pack.

Vegas exists as long as Tom Jones lives.  Fact.

I wonder if they throw granny panties at him.  :lulz:

Yes, actually.

 :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: