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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Today at 04:45:01 pm »
At this point they'd have to shut down half the internet if that were probable cause.

Look out Facebook and Reddit, the Nazi-puncher police are coming to shut you down.

They have lawyers.

Also:

Again,
 :sotw:

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Today at 04:44:10 pm »
The thing is, he's not even a good troll. He's just reposting shit he saw work on some other shitty forum.

We get maybe three decent trolls a year, and they are banned as soon as people start having fun with them, while garbage like Weltburger just suffers on endlessly posting stupid, unfunny bait.

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Principia Discussion / Re: Me and my questions
« on: Today at 04:40:12 pm »
I am just giving my suggestion for those who have  any question regard to their project or assignment,they can get some help to online resources who provide services like online assignment help in UK and others for every students.

Oooh look, spam!

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Today at 04:06:06 am »
I mean, sure, it's a totally plausible area of investigation to divert the FBI's resources to, why not? Or  maybe Homeland Security. Totally.

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Today at 04:05:18 am »
At this point they'd have to shut down half the internet if that were probable cause.

Look out Facebook and Reddit, the Nazi-puncher police are coming to shut you down.

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Today at 01:56:51 am »
I mean, GOSH, I wonder what the German government would do if it found out that some of its citizens and citizens of other countries were on an internet forum saying it's OK to punch Nazis?


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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Today at 01:53:17 am »
He appears to be postulating that, because there have been discussions here in which many people advocated punching Nazis, the American government is likely to sweep in, shut down the forum, and prosecute the members.

Even if some toolbox decided to try to "turn us in" to the authorities, the authorities are unlikely (to the point of ridiculousness) to take it as a credible threat of any kind. Advocating the hypothetical punching in the face of hypothetical Nazis is simply not a prosecutable offense, nor a credible threat, nor subversive, nor dangerous. It's just silly.


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Trump thinks some of the recent wave of threats and vandalism directed at Jews may be "false flags"

https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/836653660864147456

Buried in this article is mention that the investigation is focusing on an overseas origin to the calls

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/28/us/bomb-threats-jewish-centers-jcc/

This is the first mention of any such overseas angle, and coming so shortly after Trump's comments...I'm suspicious.

Yeah, I'm thinking that if they weren't before, they will be now.

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Yesterday at 10:55:15 pm »
:sotw:

That must be the complex cynicism you were describing.

No, it's just a way of pointing out that you're an idiot.

You don't know you're an idiot, though, so it's pretty doubtful that you'd understand why what you posted was stupid, even if I explained it. I don't feel like arguing in circles with a moron today.

Trying to fill in the blanks project like a true armchair psychologist: You are, like any remotely decent person, concerned about the rise of Nationalism and White Supremacism in the Western world, or specifically in the US. You used to live in a tough neighbourhood, and those who went out to fight Nazis on the streets actually managed to make the area a safer place because the police wouldn't have done anything against them. You're not the type who hides their message behind fluffy euphemisms, so you have no problem telling people to be violent. You'd still proudly get yourself in trouble for it but, because this would also mean trouble for your family, you prefer kissing the asses of those who do instead, and declare yourself an enemy of anyone who expresses their concern about your preferred way of telling others to reduce the number of Nazis.

My original point: As far as I can tell, the PD servers are located in Germany. The laws there are equally strict when it comes to advocating violence against no matter whom, to my knowledge. Germany has been known for its legal and administrative cooperation with the US for a while now. Who's a terrorist from President Bannon's point of view?

 :lulz: FTFY

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Talking to Nigel
« on: Yesterday at 10:46:12 pm »

So what's to replace religion in the strange times?

How does religion reach that part of people that can convince them of things that reason cannot?

Religion is, essentially, just a bunch of simple rules that don't require any thought to follow, imbued with a sense of special importance to get people to actually follow them.

That's it.

We, as a society, have managed to kind of sort of get most people to follow some other simple rules, like washing your hands after you poop, brushing your teeth regularly, and following basic food sanitation guidelines.

If you have ever been frustrated by a conversation in which the other person really wanted a black-and-white, always-or-never type of answer, when the real answer is always context-dependent, and you couldn't figure out why it is they simply couldn't grasp the fact that the answer is "it depends", the reason is the same as why people like religion. It packages rules up in easy bite-size instructions that they can simply obey without all that laborious thinking.

Science rarely, if ever, offers simple binary rules that are independent of context. That's because the real world is complex and variable, and outcomes depends heavily on context.

So, pretty much the only thing that fits the bill is superstition, ie. religion. I include the occult in there, as well as nature worship in all its forms (including "natural healthy living" superstition) because it's really just simplistic rules dressed up in pointless complexity to make its practitioners feel smarter than they are.

The method that has worked the best for humanity, for the longest, is the practice of hiring really smart people (for people) to do the complex thinking about complex problems, and then follow their leadership. This tends to fall apart periodically, especially when the advice of the really smart people contradicts the simplistic rules of superstition.


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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Yesterday at 06:46:10 pm »
:sotw:

That must be the complex cynicism you were describing.

No, it's just a way of pointing out that you're an idiot.

You don't know you're an idiot, though, so it's pretty doubtful that you'd understand why what you posted was stupid, even if I explained it. I don't feel like arguing in circles with a moron today.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Talking to Nigel
« on: Yesterday at 06:37:01 pm »
To illustrate my point about humans being not that much smarter than dogs, try having this conversation with some random members of the general public, and see how many respond with "I don't care about benefits to society, I care about me and mine".  They don't fail to make the connection between society and themselves because there's some mysterious disconnect, they're really just that fucking stupid.

OGODTHISTHISTHISTHIS.  It's probably the single most frustrating thing I encounter when I meet someone who's smart enough to be clever, but dumb enough not to see the common connections.  They twist themselves into knots trying to rationalize their selfishness, and throw up massive defenses to protect their core flawed premise.

It's unbelievably frustrating. And depressing. You know what we would have accomplished if we were solitary rather than social creatures?

NOTHING. We would be cats.

Social is awesome up to a point but the problem is it doesn't seem to work at the kind of scale we're trying to pull off. Couple of hundred people is a force to be reckoned with. Couple of billion is a total clusterfuck. Somewhere between a couple of hundred and a couple of billion the whole thing falls to pieces. Collectively we're not smart enough to make it work. Maybe it's Dunbar's fault, maybe there's more to it.

IQ is on a distribution curve with most falling slap bang in the middle of dumbfuckistan. A couple of smart people can wrangle a couple of hundred dumbfucks between them, just the way nature intended. Too many dumb fucks, tho and a critical mass is reached. Societal meltdown is inevitable. Factor in the lack of life skills and interdependence that comes with modern civilisation and you have massive potential for lulz but very little for any kind of progress.

I think the human race has hit an upper bound of functionality and the most likely outcome is we all die, crushed by the weight of our own collective stupidity. Democracy is at fault - allowing stupid people (the majority) to vote means you will get the worst possible decision to every question posed, every fucking time. The alternative is fascism which seems to result in the execution of millions of dumbfucks every time it's attempted. Communism? Nope. Again the dumbfuck issue wrecks that one.

I really can't think of anything useful I can do at this point beyond staying well out the way whenever there's a large gathering of dumbfucks. It's working out fine for me so far but I'm under no illusions that eventually the breathable air and the drinkable water will be gone.

Either that or somebody takes over at the eleventh hour and pulls humanity out it's nosedive. Wish I had an idea but on the bell curve I'm at the point where I'm smart enough to see the big picture but too dumb to come up with a solution.

There are alternative social organization plans that would mitigate the problem, and even benefit from the incompatibility between ideologies that is tearing our society apart. The problem is that all of these schemes would require the support of billions of people who will never understand why they are better than the nation-state model, and wouldn't be able to comprehend the systems for distributing goods and services well enough to be productive. This, to me, is the most tragic thing about the state of human civilization in the 21st century: There are solutions, we haven't hit some upper limit on physical possibilities, but those solutions will never be implemented because people in general are too dumb to understand them, and we'll never get the kind of critical mass required to push them into fruition.

Honestly I'm about as optimistic as you are. I can only hope that we manage to go out with a light show that's fun to watch until the blast waves hit.

This right here is why religion was invented.

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Open Bar: Fake News, Fake Bar
« on: Yesterday at 02:18:42 pm »
Oh yeah, unflounced. Thank/blame Roger. And don't even think of talking to me about it.

Glad you're back, for whatever reason.

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Open Bar: Fake News, Fake Bar
« on: Yesterday at 02:17:48 pm »
No idea what any of that means but it sounds bad  :cry:

It's just an extremely simple math thing -- like, beginning algebra -- that absolutely everyone is supposed to know how to do before starting the first term of Principles.

It's now the second term.

Also, being that far in they should know how to look it up. I literally forgot what linear regression was, knew I should know it, and simply used the internet to get me to the wikipedia article on how to do linear regression.

Yeah, that's the amazing thing. She should have been able, at the very least, to look it up.

I had another student just not do part of his homework, because he couldn't find the email I sent to the whole class about class data a week before the assignment was due. Most likely because it was in his junk mail folder. The part that is a head-scratcher for me is that he didn't look in his junk mail folder or email me asking about it; he just skipped it, and left a note in its place explaining that he couldn't do it because he never got the email.

Yeah, no. You don't get points for "I didn't try".

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The Secrets Forum / Re: Sermon for the Weird Times
« on: Yesterday at 02:14:24 pm »
Is it just me or has there been a strong game of openly advocating violence on PD lately? If so, is this wise? Because it is exactly what I'd go for if I wanted the community silenced and the forums taken down.

Just to be as clear as I feel comfortable with: I'm not saying that Nazis shouldn't be punched. I just won't be able to house more than two or three Discordian refugees from overseas.

 :sotw:

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