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3001

Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 17, 2007, 01:10:17 pm »

wtf is it with e-prime?

is it really supposed to enhance the accuracy and precision of your speech/writing? no, that is a lie. it is not supposed to enhance anything. it's just politically-correct "make sure you don't offend anybody" bullshit.

fuck that. if your opinion sucks, i'll say so. if you don't like it, then tell me my opinion sucks.

you'll be wrong but you'll feel better.

why should i waste half of my effort in saying something just to make sure you understand that i'm only expressing an opinion?  if you can't tell it's only an opinion, then you either fail at communication or need to do more homework.

people these days make a career out of being offended by anything. e-prime just adds another layer of bullshit to every argument. now you can avoid the subject completely by saying "yeah but you didn't say IMHO."  it's a whole world of the kind of shit lawyers and theologians (the two biggest reasons for societal decay) love to debate, i.e. useless crap about what you REALLY mean when what you say is plain as day.

You're quite right, why should human speech be clear at all?

Dumbass.

adults can have conversations without stopping every two minutes to remind each other they're just having a conversation.

3002

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Forward Progress

« on: July 16, 2007, 06:25:23 pm »

another off-topic tangent from vex:

it would seem that whatever we produce, we need to narrow down (and even define, gods forbid) a Target Audience.

because writing stuff that applies to everybody means you have to water it down a lot.

the Internet gives a lot of options as far as who you want to talk to. but actually society hasn't been that much changed by the internet.  you can talk to whoever you want, but just like in the 60s, only subcultures on speaking terms with yours are going to listen.

seems to me that a lot of recent discordian stuff, mine included, is aimed at Everybody Out There, or tries to attack the mainstream, which is noble and everything, but it's also pretty futile.  if we're going to attack and assimilate, we should spread like a weed, starting with smaller and more similar groups.

subversion works best not by direct assault but by infiltration.  we should be producing a few different tracts and pamphlets all aimed at more specific audiences.  for example bring up the "similarities" between discordianism and the pagans, then use those similarities to twist their opinions about things.

as for conversion, it's easy to convert people to discordianism.  you just confuse them, but give them a good reason to stay confused.  we don't have to sell a worldview, we just have to take theirs away.

3003

Or Kill Me / Re: Moral cohesion and the Discordian Society

« on: July 16, 2007, 06:03:26 pm »

It's also not our job to "enlighten" anybody, especially if we see more of this cohesion and start seeing larger projects develop.  This group is unique in that it can exist as a set of people who have been around for a while, with its own goals and its own culture, while also accepting new members.  I don't think we should spend much energy (if any at all) on getting noobs graduated through a series of levels and memes and what-not.  Part of the fun of Discordianism is that if you didn't get there (mostly) by yourself, then you never got there.

Besides, if most of the people on this board "Get It," it just means that most of us don't have a clue what Discordianism is going to be about (from a cultural-meme-public relations standpoint) two days from now.  Preparing someone for the future of Discordianism has nothing to do with which memes to spew and which ones to avoid.

Spending too much time on the 23fnord stuff, either for it or against it, is missing the point.  As in parenting: the object is not to teach them which decision to make, but to teach them how to make the decision.  And by the time a person can navigate themselves to a forum on the interwebs, that should be something they already know or are at least capable of teaching themselves.

3004

Or Kill Me / Re: Moral cohesion and the Discordian Society

« on: July 16, 2007, 02:16:24 pm »

I DISAGREE BECAUSE MY PENILE GLAND TOLD ME NOT TO FOLLOW YUO

3005

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Why is this section on top?

« on: July 16, 2007, 02:02:31 pm »

Serious Discordianism sounds like trouble.  We can't go having discussions without pausing to inject misplaced humor, otherwise it might turn out less than pointless.

also, somebody's going to have to explain to me the difference between LOL, LAIL, LULZ, LAWL, etc.

3006

Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 16, 2007, 01:59:22 pm »

do not disrupt my continuum of absolute fact or my holy crusade against gray areas.

discordian forum: if grayfaces are bad, imagine what havoc could be wreaked by entire gray areas.

3007

Or Kill Me / Re: Moral cohesion and the Discordian Society

« on: July 14, 2007, 08:30:18 pm »

Cain - some obstacles:

Discordians tend to be people who have been burned or have seen others burned by the status-quo.

In one way or another, most of us are "aligned" in this thing only inasmuch as we are all disillusioned by the way larger things seem to be going.  The PD says that a Discordian is as likely to be carrying a flag of the establishment as one of the anti-establishment, but I haven't seen a whole lot of truth to that.

Discordians seem to be so anti-establishment, in fact, that we strongly oppose any kind of establishment.  At its root, our disdain for the FNORD23 stuff stems from the fear that what we are a part of will become established as a self-perpetuating mythos, and once established will become corruptible, since it is no longer a moving target.

And so, being that this is a movement borne of distrust for movements, our ideological differences are in some ways even harder to overcome than they would be if we were in a less enlightened group.  It's hard to trust any consensus when groups based on consensus are hardly ever trustworthy.

3008

Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 13, 2007, 08:26:20 pm »

without statements of fact, how can you have a context for your questions?

in this case: are we talking about e-prime?

yes or no, not "it looks that way, so maybe some of us are"

3009

Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 13, 2007, 07:40:48 pm »

talking about talking is like thinking about thinking: fucking useless.


GO USA!

3010

Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 13, 2007, 06:05:45 pm »

e': self-defeating.

"Language formatted in E' should likely be expressed as a statement of apparent perception, but (probably) not real fact."

which means, of course, there is a chance that language in E' might be stated as absolute, fuck-you-if-you-disagree fact.

3011

Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 13, 2007, 05:30:08 pm »

Cheesecakes and sponges might be described as sharing quite a lot in common, the least of which may or may not be the taste.

3012

Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 13, 2007, 04:10:48 pm »

funny.

when i'm in "hairy and passionate" territory, i'm usually not thinking about my mode of speech.

3013

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: 99 + 1 Attributes

« on: July 13, 2007, 04:01:35 pm »

you forgot Al-Akshah-bin-Fukeet (ضارضار) - Prolific Guider of IEDs.

3014

Or Kill Me / e-prime sucks and so do you.

« on: July 13, 2007, 03:55:00 pm »

wtf is it with e-prime?

is it really supposed to enhance the accuracy and precision of your speech/writing? no, that is a lie. it is not supposed to enhance anything. it's just politically-correct "make sure you don't offend anybody" bullshit.

fuck that. if your opinion sucks, i'll say so. if you don't like it, then tell me my opinion sucks.

you'll be wrong but you'll feel better.

why should i waste half of my effort in saying something just to make sure you understand that i'm only expressing an opinion?  if you can't tell it's only an opinion, then you either fail at communication or need to do more homework.

people these days make a career out of being offended by anything. e-prime just adds another layer of bullshit to every argument. now you can avoid the subject completely by saying "yeah but you didn't say IMHO."  it's a whole world of the kind of shit lawyers and theologians (the two biggest reasons for societal decay) love to debate, i.e. useless crap about what you REALLY mean when what you say is plain as day.

3015

Or Kill Me / Re: Do Something (my first shitty-unoriginal attempt at a rant)

« on: July 13, 2007, 12:48:34 pm »

you cannot stop the downward spiral of which you speak.

the best you can hope for is to force yourself to live for another 1,000 years or so and then claim credit when the tyrants beaurocrats all die of natural causes.

in the meantime, go break laws that don't protect anyone, and don't get arrested (or do, sometimes you can mindfuck from jail too).