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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Experiments with monkeys
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:41:54 pm »





Here's MY version:






The Monkey Experiment
   There’s a famous experiment where they keep a bunch of monkeys in a room for an indefinite amount of time. There’s a big white staircase leading up out of the room. Every time a monkey climbs to the top of the staircase, he gets blasted back down the stairs with a hose. When this happens, every monkey in the room also gets blasted with water. This makes them very angry.

    Soon, the monkeys have figured it out: beat the shit out of any monkey that starts to climb the stairs. That’s the new rule.

    At some point, they remove a monkey and send in a new one. He learns the rule quickly: don’t climb the stairs. And if we’re beating somebody up, join in. One by one, they replace each monkey with a new one who has to learn the rule.

    At some point they can turn off the hose. The monkeys will reliably prevent escape. Policing the stairs has become a cultural norm. Eventually, they have this population of monkeys who are trained to beat up any monkey that tries to escape, but don’t even understand why.

    The experiment is run by interns who are paid in course credit. Occasionally, an intern finishes the semester and leaves. New interns join the team and everybody explains how to feed the monkeys and how to record the data. But at this point, none of the interns are from the original group, none of them have met the scientists leading this project. Most of the interns don’t fully understand the point of the experiment.

    The scientist who began the experiment left long ago. Other researchers were assigned to the project by an administrator in order to keep this valuable experiment running. None of the remaining scientists are actually authors of the paper, or even understand what it’s about. 

    The administrator supervising the project isn’t terribly involved with it. He just prolongs the experiment because it’s his department’s main source of funding. But he didn’t begin this project, he just inherited it from his predecessor, who is on a leave of absence and hasn’t been seen in some time.

    The company funding the experiment has a sum of money they spend annually on scientific research, mainly for tax reasons. But the person who reads and approves grants left last year. The last time anybody saw the man, he handed a huge folder to some new kid and said “make sure these stay funded.” Then he disappeared up a long staircase leading into the sky.

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I know it's only April but this has to be a strong contender for post of the decade!

:mittens:

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Experiments with monkeys
« on: April 03, 2014, 05:48:22 pm »
Somehow, I have a feeling he's not coming back to argue the point.  :lol:

Who?

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My job is to get as much money as I can by doing as little as possible. This only seems to work if my employer also makes as much money as possible as a direct result of my laziness.

This is why I work with computer systems. They're designed for exactly this purpose.

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 :lulz: The world needs a lot more of this kind of shit!

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Experiments with monkeys
« on: April 03, 2014, 02:57:19 pm »
I've done a 40-odd year residential course in batshit crazy. Unfortunately I have little or no experience in non-pathological psychology, beyond anecdotal evidence that such a thing exists, so it's a kinda myopic picture :oops:

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My eyes are burning

fuck trees.

Newsfeed!

If I had to guess I'd say hay fever but I enjoy that quote on a much deeper level if I don't guess  :lulz:

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: April 02, 2014, 08:56:10 pm »
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.

I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.

Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.

I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.

Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.

You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:

Yeah,  it was the popular thing to do with teenagers for a while. It damaged the shit out of an entire generation, to the extent that it's illegal in some states here now. Basically, a totally normal teenager would get sent in, and would come out totally fucked up. Sometimes they were literally abducted out of their beds at night. An absolutely barbaric practice.

In fairness, I was actually hallucinating a religious persecution complex at the time they checked me in :oops:

... still... fuck those bastards, I was only 18 :argh!:

You may have been suffering from an actual differentiated mental illness, but like I was just saying, that kind of thing, as well as a sense of being God's Chosen or being watched constantly by a great overarching presence, or of being judged by the universe, is incredibly common in the teen years. If you did not in the end need to be medicated in order to control delusions, it's actually not out of the realm of possibility that institutionalization actually exacerbated your delusions by creating the reinforcement belief that you were crazy and that those sensations were something to be worried about, rather than simply allowing your brain time to integrate them and normalize them.

Whilst I'm convinced that being locked up was the best thing for me at the time (I had no grip on reality whatsoever) I'm equally convinced that the - lets try every chemical compound known to man and see if one cures him - regime, did as much harm as good. Was a long time ago. Clinical psychiatry wasn't the finely honed precision science it is nowadays.

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Don't they have recording studios in the country, then? :eek:

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: April 02, 2014, 08:42:21 pm »
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.

I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.

Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.

I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.

Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.

You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:

Yeah,  it was the popular thing to do with teenagers for a while. It damaged the shit out of an entire generation, to the extent that it's illegal in some states here now. Basically, a totally normal teenager would get sent in, and would come out totally fucked up. Sometimes they were literally abducted out of their beds at night. An absolutely barbaric practice.

In fairness, I was actually hallucinating a religious persecution complex at the time they checked me in :oops:

... still... fuck those bastards, I was only 18 :argh!:

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: April 02, 2014, 08:34:52 pm »
Can I be a little uncouth for a moment here and ask how old you are?  Just to sate my own curiosity.

I've said it before, I'm 18, as of March 13th.

I missed it the first time.  If my experience is at all typical, this is pretty par for the course for 18...

See what I did there??  18?  "Par" for the "course"??

Eh? Eh?

Aw forget it...

I don't get it. :?

Let it go. Trust me, when you do get it'll just make you teeth grindingly angry

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: April 02, 2014, 08:33:24 pm »
I had the same curiosity and was probably a very similar person at 18. I'm awesome now, so you have that to look forward to.

I think the thing that irritates me you, POFP, is that your posts, to my reading, drip with a self-satisfied 'hee hee, I am an immensely interesting unique snowflake'.

Which makes this an UNLIMITED PAY ATTENTION TO POFP thread.

I probably wouldn't be so hesitant to engage with you if it weren't for that reaction to 'If you think you could hurt me with insults after all that, you're sadly fucking mistaken.' and similar.

Yeah, but that's the default state of existence for a person that age. They tend to express it in different ways, whether it be to go Social Justice Warrior, Sunshine Wicca Flower Child, Emociopath, Bad Kid, or some other extreme variation of personality while they strive to figure out who they are and differentiate themselves from their family of origin, but it's pretty much universal.

You mean I was normal??? :eek: Those bastards flung me in a mental hospital. I'ma kill a motherfucker, BRB :argh!:

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Good songs come out from time to time, vastly outnumbered by mountains of complete shite.

Contrary to popular belief, it's always been like that.

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: April 02, 2014, 08:24:42 pm »
If it quacks like a sociopath, but also ponders its own sociopathy, it's probably just an asshole.

Or a young person whose brain isn't fully online yet. One of the reasons teenagers are never formally diagnosed (by responsible professionals) with personality disorders is that a huge proportion of them functionally mimic personality disorders, because crucial parts of their brain tissue hasn't finished developing.

They may be annoying and boring as fuck, but you have to cut them a little slack until their early-mid 20's.
YOU HEAR THAT, POO? FIVE YEARS AND THEN WE'RE COMING FOR YOU.

:spittake:

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: April 02, 2014, 07:34:46 pm »
I really am on the fence in cases like this. On one hand if I hadn't given myself a chance, way back when, I'd have been forced to suicide. On the other hand - life's too short to surround yourself with assholes. I aint no fucking saint.

I tend to cut the borderlines a lot of slack but then my guess is most people won't remember being as much of a waste of fucking oxygen as I can vividly remember being.

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: April 02, 2014, 07:21:55 pm »
I get the impression he's genuinely trying. That makes him infinitely cooler in my book than someone who isn't trying, regardless of how far he still has to go.

Go on poo-guy throw my optimism back in my face, I'd much rather hate you right now  :argh!:

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